tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post1501267600524762845..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: What the Fleecing of a Congregation Looks LikeFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53771335560866858502008-10-27T09:01:00.000-04:002008-10-27T09:01:00.000-04:006:32 Amen.You are absolutely and totally correct. ...6:32 Amen.You are absolutely and totally correct. God bless you in your true calling. Businesses have the same thing VP's who get all the credit that their managers do. Thank God you have stayed faithful and you will be REWARDED probably higher than most of these so-called Sr. Pastors who not only take the credit, but the money, less hours, and never deal with serious problems as that is left to you guys.I am not a pastor or staff member, but I know people who are both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62945505775816331882008-10-27T06:32:00.000-04:002008-10-27T06:32:00.000-04:00The term "senior pastor" may be one coined by othe...The term "senior pastor" may be one coined by other pastors on a church's staff who often are overlooked in so many ways BUT who also are pastors according to the New Testament. While a senior pastor is receiving (but, honestly, never actually could EARN) a 6-figure incomes and lots of perks, other pastors serving with him (and saving his backside from lots of trouble) are given considerably smaller salaries and employment benefits--yet their children have no fewer needs.<BR/><BR/>I'm one of those other pastors. Churches ARE employers--just not fair or ethical one oftentimes.<BR/><BR/>Other pastors say: keep the title "senior pastor" to distinguish the pastors who do the real work day-to-day from the ones who get the credit for that work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10748637521959528472008-10-26T15:44:00.000-04:002008-10-26T15:44:00.000-04:00WD- I think Rod Parsley does it much better and ma...WD- I think Rod Parsley does it much better and makes much more sense. And Joel Osteen is not as angry and negative. And John Hagee and Charles Stanley are much better expositors. I just don't get whatever niche or demographic Mac appeals to. Angry, bald, over weight charlatan that rants and raves angrily each week and contradicts himself over and over again who is constantly needing more money while thanking Jesus the people he is asking to give the money have not gotten a raise. He is a mess! <BR/><BR/>The only reason we even know who this guy is? Simple, two once great congregations were led to hire him by Paige Patterson and Jerry Vines. Those churches and their millionaires and big budgets get Mac's name out there. He has done a good job prostituting both of those congregations and their rich Baptist heritages.<BR/><BR/>And Vines and David Allen don't dare say anything...too much financial stake in Mac's support?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73204227847255078862008-10-26T15:39:00.000-04:002008-10-26T15:39:00.000-04:00God chose humble men to be his disciples. All but...God chose humble men to be his disciples. All but one or two which were martyred for their faith. Mac is not a biblical servant or follower of Christ. He is a celebrity, greedy, charlatan. Please study your Bibles and open your eyes. But many of you know this and don't care. You want a celebrity preacher, and want to go to "the biggest baptist church in the State" to make yourself feel good about yourself. You have taken your eyes off of Christ and his ministry. So go ahead and pay dearly for your purchase of religious goods. Mac is happy to sell you what you want. But if you want Jesus, please take your time, talents, family and money to a local church where Jesus and his ministry is the priority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70556405203928732902008-10-26T14:31:00.000-04:002008-10-26T14:31:00.000-04:00WD: Please stop calling Mac "pastor". Call him "th...WD: Please stop calling Mac "pastor". Call him "the preacher" if you must. A pastor is a servant, Mac could NEVER be confused as a servant to God or man. He's too well paid, and too much of a bully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7497802524243239242008-10-26T13:19:00.000-04:002008-10-26T13:19:00.000-04:00Another outstanding performance by Mac. Here is Wa...Another outstanding performance by Mac. Here is Watchdog's cold-hearted review of Mac's sermon this morning:<BR/><BR/>1. He did address his trip to Tennessee. He let us know his wife went with him, so that is good that our pastor's wife on salary has been on vacation for 3 of the past 4 weeks. Amen! Ain't God good? What is her salary, and how much vacation does she get? Does Steve Clifton, Dan Elkins, John Blount and Shelly Norman and other ministers get as much vacation time as Honey and Mac?<BR/><BR/>2. He did show us a horizontal thermometer chart to show us that we are way short of getting the million dollars needed for repairs. And there is now a chiller in the middle school building that is out according to Mac, probably another $150k for that. So PRAISE GOD it looks like people are NOT ponying up the extortion money that Mac is wanting - last month he coldly and arrogantly told us if we want to stay out of debt we would give the million dollars. We hope he finds it in the current budget, because we already gave the money and he spent it on other non-budgeted priorities. He told us God can do it...yes he can, in fact Mac refuses to see that God ALREADY did it in that he has moved in the hearts of God's people to give to the budget each year for the upkeep and maintenance of our facilities. Thank you God, for moving in the hearts of your people to give so generously. We pray not for more money in that budget, but we pray for our pastor to find the money that we have given and that you, God, provided through your people. As our pastor has preached to us: "the answer is not more money, the answer is discipline" Amen brother.<BR/><BR/>3. Mac told us a moving story about how seniors are just blessed by his preaching of the word up there at this conference he was at. He said he was "preaching up there to Seniors"...which means "I earned a handsome stipend for about 4 hours of work Monday-Thurs recycling my sermons for the elederly who paid hundreds of dollars for a conference". Ain't God good? <BR/><BR/>4. Mac boldly declared how concerned he is about the "emerging church movement"...and "easy believism"...more on that later (it was classic!). This is like hearing Barney Frank tell us how worried he is that a tax and spender like Obama might get elected. Puh-LEASE!!!<BR/><BR/>5. And right along with #4 Mac further explained his legalistic views on church membership...more on that later too. This is a good warning for new church members - they need to think twice before subjecting themselves to the abuse and legalism of Mac Brunson.<BR/><BR/>6. And he explained that God is not sitting around waiting to "zap" us, directly contradicting his sermon this summer that God IS waiting to "zap" us. More on this later.<BR/><BR/>7. Mac told us we were "ridden hard and put up wet" last night....speak for yourself buddy.<BR/><BR/>But he did work himself up into a lather...it was one heckuva performance. He never disappoints when it comes to theatrics. He is a great performer on stage. Encore, Encore!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13065413217555656282008-10-26T10:12:00.000-04:002008-10-26T10:12:00.000-04:00As information, I cannot find the phrase "senior p...As information, I cannot find the phrase "senior pastor" in my Bible. Its another attempt to elevate oneself in the pulpit. Its also a way to have a much larger salary and more perks in the modern era. You are either a pastor, elder, or bishop and thats it.<BR/><BR/>Webster defines senior: 1. earliest in date of origin; 2. used to distinguish a son from his father;3. higher in standing or rank (senior partner);4. of or relating to seniors in an educational institution. If you make that fit then you are out of context since Webster fails to mention it being used in a CHURCH. It does apply to a college or university professor. <BR/><BR/>Additionally, if one leaves off the word senior from pastor it would be biblically correct and assure them that they must be a servant and forget this higher position unless they are a business person. I recall John the Baptist saying I must decrease and He must increase. Can't beat scripture it beats mans definition every time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58164412700127610352008-10-26T10:02:00.000-04:002008-10-26T10:02:00.000-04:00Here it is a short time before church and have jus...Here it is a short time before church and have just read OC. <BR/><BR/>Ya, it is time we all get Pi.....<BR/>Mac has known about these repairs for years and has spent those repair dollars on LAVISH TRIPS. He is without excuse. I have smelt the mold in the church for some time. Mold is hazardous to your health. WE ALL KNOW THIS.<BR/><BR/>How long Lord, how long will we have to endure this selfish preacher?<BR/><BR/>Maurilio got this technique of SHOW YOURSELF TO BE RICH, TO BE SOMEBODY from Robert Schuller. The thinking is, IF YOU APPEAR TO BE RICH AND SUCCESSFUL OTHERS WILL WANT TO ASSOCIATE WITH YOU. THEY WILL WANT WHAT YOU HAVE AND THEREFORE WILL FOLLOW YOU. <BR/><BR/>Nice try Maurilio, we know you for what you are not for what you have!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37067777467186781782008-10-26T01:26:00.000-04:002008-10-26T01:26:00.000-04:00Go ahead and get angry. You really need to. You re...Go ahead and get angry. You really need to. You really need to throw a big obnoxious fit about what you have seen.<BR/>Some people's dogs are deemed more important than your very own kids. Don't take my word for it, look what's been said, look what's been done, think about all the evidence. <BR/>Now get mad.<BR/><BR/>just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29231418390154453452008-10-26T01:11:00.000-04:002008-10-26T01:11:00.000-04:00Well, a three hundred dollar shirt and a Vegas sho...Well, a three hundred dollar shirt and a Vegas show or two and some sissy ass cuisine have left your children breathing mold in their little classrooms. I hope you can all live with all that sacrifice. I know that Maurilliio and Mac, the two big shot M and M's, aren't having deal with any of that. Their kids will never suffer.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78359677338088362552008-10-26T00:44:00.000-04:002008-10-26T00:44:00.000-04:00Why does macho Mac have anything to do with this s...Why does macho Mac have anything to do with this squirrely sissified Maurillio (sp)? person anyway?<BR/>It seems like Mac tries to act redneck and tough. So why would he be affiliated with one who seems so effeminate? Rednecks don't buy 3 hundred dollar shirts or worry excessively about their menus. Nor do they "twitter".<BR/><BR/>Just askin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1456634775574758432008-10-26T00:11:00.000-04:002008-10-26T00:11:00.000-04:00No, he's "God's man". So those are "God's man's d...No, he's "God's man". So those are "God's man's dogs". <BR/><BR/>Heirarcy:<BR/><BR/>1. God<BR/>2. God's man<BR/>3. god's man's dogs<BR/>3. My kids<BR/>4. Me<BR/>5. My dog<BR/>6. My catFBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9226861083891951702008-10-26T00:09:00.000-04:002008-10-26T00:09:00.000-04:00Listen, even his dogs have it better than your kid...Listen, even his dogs have it better than your kids do. Are you getting pissed yet???ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38539117679922307422008-10-26T00:06:00.000-04:002008-10-26T00:06:00.000-04:00So, dude has a hundred grand office, yet your chi...So, dude has a hundred grand office, yet your children are breathing mold and mildew. <BR/><BR/>That says quite enough for me.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84832394023828283722008-10-25T23:39:00.000-04:002008-10-25T23:39:00.000-04:00WD, I am interested in exposing the abuses of Mac ...WD, I am interested in exposing the abuses of Mac Brunson too. <BR/><BR/>What I have found is that his good buddies are Warren and Maurilio. Both are guiding his every action.<BR/>Both are PD.<BR/><BR/>His preaching style is blatant PD. Some say his lessons are right out of Warren's online sermons.<BR/><BR/>It appears to be so, from what I have read.<BR/><BR/>One thing we have to understand is that these PD preachers will not ever listen to anyone who wants them to change. These preachers are the Warren Sheep. They will continue on there path of change and not look back. They want the strong christian, those who know enough scripture not to be mislead, to leave so all that is left are followers. Once they are all gone, Brunson WILL DO ANYTHING he wants. After all who is now going to stop him?<BR/><BR/>WD you are not one the SHEEP. The Lord must want you there for more reasons than to show the abuses. He may want you to stay while he has told other christians to leave. Not all have been led to leave. I know many who feel not led to leave even though they know exactly what is going on here.<BR/><BR/>Now about abuses. Some of these abusive preachers came out of the 60's and70's. Part of those men were YUPPIES others were against authority. I believe Warren was against the status quo. He wanted change and did it. He did tell us early on not to follow his type of preaching but later he changed his mind. <BR/><BR/>About his antics in the pulpit. It looks like acting to me. It looks scripted. We have seen how agenda driven he has been over the years. He continues to be almost dictatorial.<BR/><BR/>I'm like you I do not think he will change. He is DRIVEN.<BR/><BR/>Keep praying brother, only the Lord can change this preacher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46748403831656864302008-10-25T22:53:00.000-04:002008-10-25T22:53:00.000-04:00This blog is not about Rick Warren or Purpose Driv...This blog is not about Rick Warren or Purpose Driven. <BR/><BR/>Its about the abuses of Donald McCall Brunson at FBC Jax. <BR/><BR/>I don't mind people commenting how Mac is purpose driven this or that. Sure, there are aspects of what he is doing that are purpose driven. Some are not<BR/><BR/>For instance, abusive, arrogant antics in the pulpit are NOT really purpose driven. I'm not sure what it is, other than a guy with an ego as large as the auditorium itself and unable to control his tongue and emotions in the pulpit.<BR/><BR/>I am not interested in convincing people that Mac is purpose driven.<BR/><BR/>I am interested in exposing the abuses of Mac Brunson, letting other churches in our convention, letting the leadership in our convention, and hopefully more and more of the church members to open their eyes to see his abuses.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39702092485935132942008-10-25T22:44:00.000-04:002008-10-25T22:44:00.000-04:00WD, would you answere anon 9:49?Big questions for ...WD, would you answere anon 9:49?<BR/><BR/>Big questions for us.<BR/><BR/>Actually, who knows?<BR/><BR/>Personally, I think Warren is twisted. He came out of college and according to his wife, he heads straight for ROBERT SCHULLER. Not Stanley, or Vines, or Lindsay, or any other Seperatist Baptist: but to the heretic Robert Schuller. <BR/><BR/>Now we have all of these POOR MISLEAD PREACHERS trying to be like him. SOMEONE HAS NOT BEEN ON THEIR KNEES ASKING THE LORD FOR HELP. <BR/><BR/>WD, the problem with MAC IS THAT HE HAS NOT READ WARREN'S WIFE'S BOOK. He might not have gone on the road to destruction if he had read her book.<BR/><BR/>What do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43015131501761491122008-10-25T22:03:00.000-04:002008-10-25T22:03:00.000-04:00Anon - Mac is on INSP every Sunday night. This pr...Anon - Mac is on INSP every Sunday night. This program started a month or so ago.<BR/><BR/>So yes, we have a nationwide TV program on INSP.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50832482110429607352008-10-25T21:51:00.000-04:002008-10-25T21:51:00.000-04:00WD: are you serious Mac will be on INSP tomorrow?WD: are you serious Mac will be on INSP tomorrow?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25423524748193867032008-10-25T21:49:00.001-04:002008-10-25T21:49:00.001-04:00When are you going to realize that Maurilio is fu...When are you going to realize that Maurilio is full blown Purpose Driven. He is following the script. When a pastor invades a church, the first thing they do is seek out the power people. Those who will drink the Kool Aid are courted. The rest are asked to leave. Most of the FBCJAX staff is gone. Need I say more? That phase is over.<BR/><BR/>We are now in the phase of, THE PASTOR IS NOW IN CONTROL. What Mac does is he has this POOR ME I can't do this alone, please help me look. You feel sorry for him and you try to help him. <BR/><BR/>The fact is, Mac knows exactly what to do. HE ALSO HAS THE SCRIPT. He wants wealth distribution. He takes your wealth and builds his KINGDOM. Not God's Kingdom? You be the judge!<BR/><BR/>The whole thing looks broken to me. There are just too many ungodly things happening here. <BR/><BR/>Who is right? You tell me!!! <BR/><BR/>Look at Andy Stanly's church, Brother Young's church in Houston. Young's son's church. <BR/><BR/>They all have, catholic style, satelite churches. Power, Money,and complete control.<BR/><BR/>The ultimate question that we have to ask ourselves is, is this of the Lord? Does the Lord want these types of churches. Has the Lord revealed to these men a new type of CHURCH? IS RICK WARREN right? <BR/><BR/>In our case , We had one of the finest churches in the country. Why did it need to be changed? Do you destroy one church to build another? Is this some new scriptural way of church building? <BR/><BR/>You tell me!!!<BR/><BR/>If this is of the Lord, count me in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70179539686215256762008-10-25T21:49:00.000-04:002008-10-25T21:49:00.000-04:00WD, you are quite correct. Pastor Mac seems to be ...WD, you are quite correct. Pastor Mac seems to be "working" the "crowd". Normally these things are done by standup comedians or by performers and not by preachers (at least the ones I know of).Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70134711801346909712008-10-25T21:45:00.000-04:002008-10-25T21:45:00.000-04:00Probably water damage from a leaking, damaged roof...Probably water damage from a leaking, damaged roof isn't covered under the policy. But I don't think the church suffered damage from the storm...we have had maintenance we knew was needed but we didn't do it. And then when the first trop storm came through this summer, we paid dearly for it.<BR/><BR/>But look at the bright side: although we have a soggy preschool building, Mac will be on the INSP network tomorrow night! Ain't God good?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10567595333017773342008-10-25T21:29:00.000-04:002008-10-25T21:29:00.000-04:00Doesn't FBC Jax carry insurance on these buildings...Doesn't FBC Jax carry insurance on these buildings? <BR/><BR/>Isn't water damage from a storm covered (it wasn't flooding)?<BR/><BR/>Was there a claim made?<BR/><BR/>Was the church paid?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52004162018571916782008-10-25T21:25:00.000-04:002008-10-25T21:25:00.000-04:00He's no "red neck". That is a brand he likes to se...He's no "red neck". That is a brand he likes to sell.<BR/><BR/>Like I said before, part of Jeff Foxworthy's reoutine of "You Might be a Redneck If..." doesn't include driving Lexus', Jaguars, living in 5000+ square foot homes, accepting quarter of a million in gifts from church members, wearing monogrammed cuffs, etc etc. Redneck preachers don't hire consultant firms in Nashville and promotional firms in Atlanta to run their church. Need I go on?<BR/><BR/>So don't blame his careless preaching (performances) on the "redneck" in him. Its just abusive, careless preaching designed to get some in his congregation to hoot and holler. He planned that little tirade about pants below the waist. He probably heard how we gave Smyrl grief for his backwards logic of dress codes, and then Mac thought he'd throw a bone to the congregation who loves to hear the pastor talk about dress standards and knew he'd get people riled up and clapping. Remember, that was a sermon he delivered after a 2 week vacation. As was his "God caused the economic crash" performance that same night.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31503595598471002872008-10-25T21:09:00.000-04:002008-10-25T21:09:00.000-04:00Are you talking about John? Is he the young person...Are you talking about John? Is he the young person who sang several times the names of books of the bible?<BR/><BR/>He seems to be a very devoted and changed man. I did not see him before he came to fbcjax. Nor have I seen him outside the service.<BR/><BR/>I understand what you are saying about the double standard. I agree with WD, that Pastor Mac should have said in a loving manner, and shown from the Word of God, how people must behave. He should not have said what he detested. I guess, it's the "red neck" part of him. Pastor Mac himself said several times, that part of him shows up often.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.com