tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post1755981736939594237..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Dr. Watchdog Gives a Tithing Alternative to Pastors as We Enter the Season of Tithing SermonsFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32740014110964004302012-10-13T00:22:59.685-04:002012-10-13T00:22:59.685-04:00... the following sermon from 1979 that is extreme...<i>... the following sermon from 1979 that is extremely relevant...</i><br /><br />1979... the year the "Conservative Resurgence" (or the "Fundamentalist Takeover" depending on your viewpoint) was implemented with the election of Adrian Rogers as president of the SBC. W.A. Criswell was one of the key players in the CR. Just reading that sermon and thinking about what would happen later that year (the groundwork had long been laid), you could practically hear the urgency and excitement, bordering on giddiness, in his voice.<br /><br />From the sermon:<br /><br /><i>We’re to win people to Jesus.</i><br /><br />How, exactly, does one "win" someone to Jesus? Honest question.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36101529379162068342012-10-12T23:18:10.495-04:002012-10-12T23:18:10.495-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57622721369190184562012-10-12T00:20:51.524-04:002012-10-12T00:20:51.524-04:00Asked this before and never got an answer so I'...<i>Asked this before and never got an answer so I'll ask again, what is the "sacred desk?"</i><br /><br />It's been replaced by the "sacred music stand."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87704764072186761742012-10-11T20:15:03.096-04:002012-10-11T20:15:03.096-04:00P.S.
And tell the church the good news that when t...P.S.<br />And tell the church the good news that when they cease tithing and practice giving freely, that they are no longer under God's curse (Deuteronomy 11 & 12) through obeying the old Mosaic law as Galatians 3:10 says. Hip pip hooray! Praise the Lord!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42817912982034075602012-10-10T23:08:33.134-04:002012-10-10T23:08:33.134-04:00I am looking for the source of the quote from W. A...I am looking for the source of the quote from W. A. Criswell so I could read it in context but I have not found it yet. I did, however, find the following sermon from 1979 that is extremely relevant:<br /><br />http://www.wacriswell.org/PrintTranscript.cfm/SID/11.cfm<br />WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81458114003403803632012-10-10T22:35:15.167-04:002012-10-10T22:35:15.167-04:00HAhaha! I can't wait to see the government rem...HAhaha! I can't wait to see the government remove the tax free status of the religious hirelings.<br /><br />I think I am going to write my representatives and tell them that a growing number of us Christians would fully support this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37499797231036935812012-10-10T20:31:31.859-04:002012-10-10T20:31:31.859-04:00Asked this before and never got an answer so I'...<i>Asked this before and never got an answer so I'll ask again, what is the "sacred desk?"</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.wadeburleson.org/2008/04/contaminated-pulpit-and-other-bizarre.html" rel="nofollow">Wade Burleson > The Contaminated Pulpit and Other Weird Things</a>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31841753937919251342012-10-10T19:06:17.916-04:002012-10-10T19:06:17.916-04:00tithing was for Jews ,not the whole world , read i...tithing was for Jews ,not the whole world , read it and see, and only the Levites could take them are you telling me these preachers are Levites, , if you take tithes and are not that then you in trouble, Tithing did start with Moses not with Abraham, Abraham never tithed of anything of his own just the spoilsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4557114954266805342012-10-10T16:49:01.458-04:002012-10-10T16:49:01.458-04:00"All animals are equal, but some animals are ..."All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - Orwell<br /><br />Modern translation applied to modern day evangelicalism:<br /><br />"All christians are priests, but some christians are more priests than others."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36249908938062028822012-10-10T15:31:04.080-04:002012-10-10T15:31:04.080-04:00Asked this before and never got an answer so I'...Asked this before and never got an answer so I'll ask again, what is the "sacred desk?" WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78151449186387353332012-10-10T09:35:03.515-04:002012-10-10T09:35:03.515-04:00COUNTDOWN: 82 days
That's when we will find o...COUNTDOWN: 82 days<br /><br />That's when we will find out if the TROLL's prayers are in God's will or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75478401149553841492012-10-10T09:34:12.988-04:002012-10-10T09:34:12.988-04:00"The pastor is ruler of the church."
Th..."The pastor is ruler of the church."<br /><br />The Bible teaches that Jesus is the ruler of the church. So who is right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27539449066310252602012-10-10T09:10:41.149-04:002012-10-10T09:10:41.149-04:00And the shepherd/pastor is an undershepherd, takin...And the shepherd/pastor is an undershepherd, taking care of another's sheep. Shepherds rarely own the sheep or the sheepfold, but are hirelings. The owner of the sheepfold is Jesus Christ, the One True Shepherd.<br />When a pastor gets into "ruling" or "owning" the congregation or the facilities, that pastor is heretical, because he is denying the lordship of Jesus Christ and the priesthood of each and every believer.Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37321276601101191892012-10-10T08:06:03.435-04:002012-10-10T08:06:03.435-04:00Anon 11:08PM
"Thank God for the SBC that sti...Anon 11:08PM<br /><br />"Thank God for the SBC that still stands on the Word of God.<br /><br />When the man of God stands behind the sacred desk and says "Thus sayeth the Lord", then we will see revival in the land."<br /><br />---<br />Whatever SBC is "standing on" is resulting in people leaving, not coming in.<br /><br />The pastor is not the ruler of a church. He is the shepherd. That's what the word means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64946675806126308722012-10-10T06:23:01.205-04:002012-10-10T06:23:01.205-04:00That statement by Criswell is not founded on the B...That statement by Criswell is not founded on the Bible and is contrary to Baptist ecclesiology and tradition. It borders on heretical.56 years a Baptist, mostly SBCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22052208978640022322012-10-10T05:32:52.339-04:002012-10-10T05:32:52.339-04:00I go to FBC Orlando, and though they mention tithi...I go to FBC Orlando, and though they mention tithing in passing, they don't beat it over our heads. They even dropped "tithe" from the envelopes. Though I am not giving 10% at this time, I feel comfortable with my giving there because it isn't a main area of focus unlike many of the churches I attended growing up.mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40975005881614034242012-10-09T23:08:38.275-04:002012-10-09T23:08:38.275-04:00W. A. Criswell said, “Lay leadership of the church...W. A. Criswell said, “Lay leadership of the church is unbiblical when it weakens the pastor’s authority as ruler of the church . . . a laity-led church will be a weak church anywhere on God’s earth. The pastor is ruler of the church.” In 1988 the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution affirming that the pastor was the ruler of the church.<br /><br />Thank God for the SBC that still stands on the Word of God.<br /><br />When the man of God stands behind the sacred desk and says "Thus sayeth the Lord", then we will see revival in the land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43535740185413650132012-10-09T21:58:17.094-04:002012-10-09T21:58:17.094-04:00Anonymous said...
... he is out of line with judg...Anonymous said... <br />... he is out of line with judgement because he has forsaken the house of God.<br /><br />Do you think that a brick building is "the house of god? We are the house of God, not some silly little building. <br /><br />Acts 7:48<br /> Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,<br /> <br />Acts 17:24<br /> God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;<br /> <br />1 Corinthians 3:16<br /> Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?<br /> <br />You have been taught by an apostate religious system that building are the house of God. The Bible does not teach this. They tell you that to keep you coming and keep you giving.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41239659387146351542012-10-09T21:53:04.643-04:002012-10-09T21:53:04.643-04:00If every Sunday School teacher is doing what they ...If every Sunday School teacher is doing what they are doing because they love the Lord, then why can't the hireling pastors? We work a 40 hr job, and still prepare to teach FOR FREE! It isn't the Lord that these professional clergymen love, it is their paycheck. And they have to resort to extortion (using their office and authority to demand money) from people that do not need them anyway. We have laymen in every church that are perfectly able to teach for free. Alot of pastors are plagiarising those sermons anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31176941757608992212012-10-09T17:58:58.338-04:002012-10-09T17:58:58.338-04:00You can huff and puff and blowhard all day long. N...You can huff and puff and blowhard all day long. No one is buying the OT fund raising manipulation any longer. <br /><br />Since that doesn't work in these enlightened times, wouldn't it be wise just to preach what the NT says about giving? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24065212642904192662012-10-09T15:26:24.979-04:002012-10-09T15:26:24.979-04:00To attend church every Sunday and always be on the...To attend church every Sunday and always be on the receiving end and never on the giving end is selfish. The person who does this has forgotten the weightier matter of mercy and love. Love gives.<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Agreed. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with Christians giving 10% of their gross income to the local 501(c)(3) budget.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8259448863199033812012-10-09T15:23:47.174-04:002012-10-09T15:23:47.174-04:00Read Nehemiah 10:38,39 and you will see what I mea...Read Nehemiah 10:38,39 and you will see what I mean; "And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, unto the treasure house. For the children of Israel and the children of Levi shall bring the offering of the corn, of the new wine, and the oil, unto the chambers, where are the vessels of the sanctuary, and the priests that minister, and the porters, and the singers: and we will not forsake the house of our God.<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Why not read 2nd Corinthians 9:7 instead of this ancient trivia about what the Levites (lineage of priests in the Jewish nation) did. And didn't the Jews have ONE temple, supposedly where God actually dwelt? Is the building on every corner in town, the local 501(c)(3) now the equivalent of the nation of Israel's holy temple? Seriously? Is that the verse you put forth in response to 2nd Corinthians 9:7? Really? WHY?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61708383350221368652012-10-09T13:45:13.959-04:002012-10-09T13:45:13.959-04:00Tithing is not only not biblical, it makes no logi...Tithing is not only not biblical, it makes no logical sense and if applied to Christians, is not fair. Why would God want a single mom with 3 kids who makes $2000 per month to sacrifice $200 per month (that she doesn't have) and give it to a church with a $15 million budget; and say that is equal and fair compared to a preacher making $30,000 per month who gives $3000 per month and is sacrificing nothing since he still has $27,000 per month to pay his bills and live in luxury. Isn't this dreadful news for the single mom and great news for the rich preacher? He "only" has to give 10% (and maybe will brag about giving 11%) while the poor mom has to see her kids go without so that she can "obey God" by giving $200.<br /><br />This tithing doctrine really hurts those that Jesus wanted us to help; while benefitting the rich that he was quick to warn us against. This is sick exploitation. And they (Gaines, Brunson, Young, etc.) preach it with such anger and arrogance to boot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55089750499287117232012-10-09T13:41:01.539-04:002012-10-09T13:41:01.539-04:00Mercy is the last area that Jesus mentioned in Mat...Mercy is the last area that Jesus mentioned in Matthew 23:23 concerning how we ought to tithe. The word translated “mercy” is sometimes translated “love.” The believer who says that he cannot afford to tithe is not only operating without faith, he is out of line with judgement because he has forsaken the house of God.<br /><br />Read Nehemiah 10:38,39 and you will see what I mean; "And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, unto the treasure house. For the children of Israel and the children of Levi shall bring the offering of the corn, of the new wine, and the oil, unto the chambers, where are the vessels of the sanctuary, and the priests that minister, and the porters, and the singers: and we will not forsake the house of our God.<br /><br />To attend church every Sunday and always be on the receiving end and never on the giving end is selfish. The person who does this has forgotten the weightier matter of mercy and love. Love gives. To withhold the tithe is to forsake the household of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42284230889354467872012-10-09T13:38:45.606-04:002012-10-09T13:38:45.606-04:00I know of an 11-year-old boy that was recently str...I know of an 11-year-old boy that was recently struck by lightning and died. I know of a husband and father of several kids right here in our community who simply died in his sleep. My question for these preachers is which is true about these sudden deaths:<br /><br />1.) God struck them dead because they (or in the case of the boy, his parents) were NOT tithing. They were robbing God. And like Mac has said "God collects." If this is true. What does that say about your "Loving Heavenly Father" that he would strike a sweet boy, or wonderful Christian husband/father dead for not giving 10% gross to the congregation where they attend during the week?<br /><br />2.) God struck them dead even though they were tithers. This would make all those sermons about God will rebuke the devourer, your refridgerator will run longer, your kids will have good health, etc, etc., exposed as fraud.<br /><br />Preachers have painted themselves in a corner with their nonsense, non-biblical preaching and application on the Jewish nation's financing of their theocracy during biblical times.<br /><br />And be honest, those that don't like the Watchdog. Had he suddenly died in his sleep, or had his son been struck by lightning, you and your preacher would have said "you see what happens when you question God's man." yet you say nothing when these types of tragedies happen every day to both tithers and non-tithers. <br /><br />Wake-up. You are being manipulated. Ask your pastor why Malachi 3:10 is the "command" and not the New Testament verse 2nd Corinthians 9:7. Which verse is written to Christians. Which verse deals with money and not food being brought to the ancient storehouse? Wake-up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com