tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post1815533418100810995..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Theatrical PreachingFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33559902678987193982009-03-19T18:31:00.000-04:002009-03-19T18:31:00.000-04:00Dear Friend,Good Job! These preachers need to leav...Dear Friend,<BR/><BR/>Good Job! These preachers need to leave the staged theatrics to the entertainers; a preacher's job should come from the heart. <BR/><BR/>Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet but by no means did he cry "crocodile tears."<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work.Tyrone Ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10428974428568639283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36087824125893347352008-11-18T14:33:00.000-05:002008-11-18T14:33:00.000-05:00Blogger of 1:07 Re: lawyers:I agree with your comm...Blogger of 1:07 Re: lawyers:<BR/>I agree with your comments! Mac is the one that said he wanted to be a lawyer. My apologies to the LEGITIMATE lawyers. But, I might add, we have a few lawyers at FBCJ that do not show good judgement in that they are ENABLERS of Brunson!<BR/>I personally believe he would make a better salesman.<BR/><BR/>I have heard it said, "one starts to fail when one starts to believe his own press". That would be all of those who praise and adore Mac. Those who have participated in "blowing up" Macs ego have left us with the "fallout".<BR/>You use the words arrogant, abusive and rude. I think these are apt words to use in describing this mans personality. He certainly does not have the qualities to be a preacher of the gospel, in my opinion. So these terms fit in this case.<BR/>The terms "conservative and fundamental" however, are being trashed. They no longer apply to many seminaries today. Many of them are training grounds for Brunson type preachers that are out to "make it big" in the "ministry"(?). For the legitimate preachers that are truly called of God it is unfortunate that you are being tarnished like the legitimate lawyers. In another more apropos term: The fox is in the hen house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14343955324084102292008-11-18T14:13:00.000-05:002008-11-18T14:13:00.000-05:00Jimmy SwaggartWhen WD made that connection, man wa...Jimmy Swaggart<BR/><BR/>When WD made that connection, man was it relevant and spot on. Swaggart was very big in the 80s. John Starnes who is one of the most godly and annointed tenors was a regular on his tv show. So good sincere people and good intentions can be the fruit of even the most self serving endeavors. Swaggart was charismatic in his delivery, emoting, strutting etc...He could also play a mean piano and had a good solo voice - he was multi-talented.<BR/><BR/>He is a prime example of a preacher who believed his own press clippings. He left his first love - happens to any child of God who begins to entertain the thought that they are in control or that they have influence over people. It is the power of the Holy Spirit that convicts - not the theatrics of man. We are but imperfect vessels being filled up and used over for the Glory of God. When someone is born again they receive the filling of the Holy Spirit (the indwelling) who will now lead our lives in the way that points to Jesus who in turn glorifies the Father. It is the beauty and simplicity of this that allows children at the point of their understanding and accountability to come to a saving knowledge of Christ. The Gospel is simple really. Oh sure, there are doctrinal philosophies that require study, but the basics are simple really.<BR/><BR/>I remember vividly when Pastor Lindsay preached particularly that when you left the service you were encouraged to be a better witness, a stonger disciple, a more loving father, mother, child, to put Jesus first in your life and you would be better equipped to face the difficult issues of life. He led by example. We didn't follow or love Homer Lindsay, Jr. because he told us to - we followed him and loved him becaused he was exemplary in his devotion to Christ. As Jesus gave us the perfect example - Homer Lindsay shepherded his flock with the same love and compassion as we envisioned Jesus did when he walked this Earth. He was a Godly witness. Period. And Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82922677013400560452008-11-18T13:26:00.000-05:002008-11-18T13:26:00.000-05:00For those who have asked about Jimmy Swaggart, I w...For those who have asked about Jimmy Swaggart, I was a child back when he was on but I will try my best to explain him. He was, I believe of the name it and claim it charismatic ilk. He had a TV program which I believe came on at 5:30 or 6am in Jacksonville in old Independent WAWS Channel 30 (how's that for memory), I know this because it came on before cartoons started every morning. He was of the same generation as Jim Bakker, Oral Roberts, and the like who were all over TV in a major way back in that day. And he was one of the most popular of that day, very influential in his sphere of influence. I never heard him preach and don't know a whole lot about him so I will not call him a charlatan who was only after money or anything, it is possible based on the little bit of knowledge I have of the guy he was just misinterpreting scripture, but anything else someone who knows more about him can explain as I really don't. Anyway, long about sometime I believe in late 1987/early 1988 he was either found to have or just flat admitted to having an affair with another woman I believe and he cried for repentance on his tv show in front of a crowd of what looked like several thousand people. One of his most famous lines from that is while sobbing he cries "I have sinned against you." I think he is actually back on TV somewhere, but he is not nearly as influential today as he was then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63849031179223826002008-11-18T13:13:00.000-05:002008-11-18T13:13:00.000-05:00To Watchdog, thank you for admitting they were acc...To Watchdog, thank you for admitting they were accidentally deleted. I was not accusing you of deciding it should be be put up. <BR/><BR/>And we actually agree, this garbage about tracking people down like threats, and what people are doing as far as when they post here is completely irrelevant. <BR/><BR/>About the Anon 11:49am who posted yesterday. Unbeknownst to me that was my sick wife who was home and decided to post. I never recommend A.)taking anything on a blog personally <BR/>B.)posting when you are not of sound mind being tired, sick, depressed, etc. <BR/> <BR/>However, I can promise you she was also not one of the anon's threatening to track anyone down because that is not what she does. Neither have I threatened, nor will I. I don't care where you live. You have just as much of a right to an opinion as anyone else. <BR/><BR/>To what seems like the one individual who is threatening to track people down, you are taking this WAYYYYYY too seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3826163431599880832008-11-18T13:07:00.000-05:002008-11-18T13:07:00.000-05:00Please don't insult lawyers by calling Mac a lawye...Please don't insult lawyers by calling Mac a lawyer. Lawyers have to do very well in their undergraduate degree just to get accepted into a reputable law school. There, they are competing for grades with all top notch, highly intelligent students, then they have to EARN a juris doctor after at least 3 years of law school, which includes legal research and writing, trial practice seminars, thesis papers and a variety of other real world disciplines. Then they have to compete for jobs with the best and brightest. Then they are a part of adversarial system where while they represent the interests of a person in need, they are openly and vigorously opposed by an equally trained opponent, and ultimately, their positions are scrutinized by a judge or jury. <BR/><BR/>Mac's experience was and is a little bit different. He went to seminary and ever since people have told him how much they love him and what a Godly man he is. His academic accomplishments pale in comparison. <BR/><BR/>Most importantly, he is a bully in the pulpit with his microphone and one sided propaganda. He is unprofessional and rude and he would be beaten like a drum if he ever allowed any that disagree with him to yield the microphone for even 5 minutes each service. Juries and clients and fellow lawyers would find him abrasive, arrogant and rude. <BR/><BR/>No, Mac is no lawyer. He is more of a professor of Baptist history at a conservative, fundamental seminary where you have to sign a plegde that you will only teach what the seminary president tells you to teach.<BR/><BR/>I must admit, I would love to have him as my Baptist history professor. But they don't pay as well since you can't name your own salary and can't put wife and son on salary to help you out.<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion... :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73972127017054489562008-11-18T10:51:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:51:00.000-05:00Dr.Dog....Your 8:11am post was absolutely brillian...Dr.Dog....Your 8:11am post was absolutely brilliant!!!!!Brunson is not an annointed preacher he is a laywer or history teacher masquerading as a Pastor..Jesus said "If I be lifted up I'll draw ALL men unto me"(John 12:32)something Brunson has obviously forgotten...Dr.Dog your explanation of a Holy Spirit empowered sermon that meets each person at there point of need was outstanding!!!Thanks for that blog,it has really made me reexamine myself and my motives for pastoring and preaching God's Word more effectively!!!!Thanks my Brother in Christ...it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26051630990606936222008-11-18T10:45:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:45:00.000-05:00Anon,Do people visit much anymore?November 18, 200...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Do people visit much anymore?<BR/><BR/>November 18, 2008 10:36 AM<BR/><BR/>We do. Tonight we will be going out again, about 21 of us in groups of 3. We are in our 5th week of FAITH and have seen 8 people saved and have discovered 63 prospects. Working on getting the follow-up done now, through the SS.<BR/><BR/>I can list some great churches who still do (great in heart for the great commission, not their size). Still wonder what that other anon person meant by saying I pastor a "very small" church in NC.<BR/><BR/>I don't, he was wrong.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30321213195719058812008-11-18T10:36:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:36:00.000-05:00Vines words you reiterated in your 8:ll blog, cert...Vines words you reiterated in your 8:ll blog, certainly nail Brunson. But these preachers are all in the business together, they arn't going to criticize each directly. Vines wanted Brunson to takover this church, remember. I don't trust any of them. I did trust Lindsay. He had NO AGENDA but the Lord! He wasn't interested in being the SBC President (he was asked to run several times) he said he didn't want to take time away from being pastor of FBCJ. His church came first. He didn't go places making speaches for money. Nor, did he write books,for money, plus getting them put in the seminaries as required reading, insuring that he gets a certain amount of money. Lindsay wrote "booklets" that were all over the church for "free" taking, by anyone that wanted them. Many were given out on "visitation", something else we don't hear much about. Do people visit much anymore?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78256873809248194212008-11-18T10:07:00.000-05:002008-11-18T10:07:00.000-05:00Good morning Watchdog,JE brought up a good point a...Good morning Watchdog,<BR/><BR/>JE brought up a good point against the use of small groups in Sunday School. He said basicly that you may not be able to trust the person who is controlling small groups to benefit those in the group for the cause of Christ. Well said! By the way, that controlling guy is called a facilitator by Rick Warren. The scary thing about the facilitator is he may actually be directing the group to accomplish the pastor's AGENDA. In a small group he could intimidate the group to agree with a wrong directed pastor. Then too, in small groups you could have believers and unbeliever who learn to empathize and identify with each others values and lifestyles. So you have a mixing of values not being grounded in the word of God. We could also get into the real bad use of the small group at another post.<BR/><BR/>Watchdog SMALL GROUPS IS BAD STUFF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54890897358796488752008-11-18T09:50:00.000-05:002008-11-18T09:50:00.000-05:00Watchdog: Your perception and analyzation of Bruns...Watchdog: Your perception and analyzation of Brunson in your 8:11 AM blog was masterful. You have completely captured what this man is about. <BR/>Thanks to the deep Bible preaching/teaching that Dr. Lindsay gave us for years, he prepared us to recognize whether a man is truly a God called preacher or not. Mac did not count on the real Bible believers and YES scholars that would be found in this church. He completely underestimated this church and now is having to deal with them, because they know he is not a preacher. He is an opportunist. This is why this church doesn't respond to his histronics,and amatuer theatrics.<BR/>As to laymen being God called: This church once had a man named Fred McCormick here, that was one of the most humble Godly men, to walk FBCJ halls. He never attended a seminary, but knew the Bible well. His passion for the lost was legend. This was a man that would drive hundreds of miles (and did) to take a lost man back to his family AFTER Fred had led him to the Lord. Fred had over 200 men in his T.U. class, a large number at that time, the men wanted to hear him teach that much. No small groups here. He had a revival going among the men of this church that was truly of God. It made one feel that this was a once in a lifetime experience. Fred was a very quiet,humble, Godly man. If Brunson could have spent some time with Fred, he may truly have become a preacher, as Fred inspired everyone around him to know the Lord well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53068257344644012012008-11-18T09:22:00.000-05:002008-11-18T09:22:00.000-05:00I heard Mac preach in Dallas prior to his coming t...I heard Mac preach in Dallas prior to his coming to Jacksonville. He preached like a history professor and since he loves history its hard for him to change. That's why he still uses the historical position. It's not in him primarily to make sermons strictly from the bible. It probably would be a big change for him and he does not desire to surrender that part of the message he delivers. It was he that said he had rather be a history professor or a lawyer rather than a "Local Pastor". <BR/><BR/>God called ministers preach the Word not history, not politics, not the latest trends, not football scores, just good Bible. If they don't they do not need to be in the pulpit, as so many other good speakers could get up on center stage, have the lights, cameras and build up a crowd. They are on television everyday and you know who they are. Many never lead anyone to Jesus as they are in the business for one reason only "money", and more "money". Remember the old horse riding preachers who once traveled from Sun up to Sun down preaching any place they could win folks to the Lord? It can still be done with the right message, the right attitude, and having your sins confessed, your heart right, and with a lot of studying. I know Sunday School teachers that took 8-14 hours a week to bring out a 30 minute lesson that put most of these tv preachers to shame. They certainly put Mac to shame. Why not get back to basics and let the Holy Spirit do His work, it's His job not ours in the first place. Until you get them to see that they are lost you will never get them saved, that's the annointing of the Holy Spirit type preaching that's needed today througout America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16152329757910878032008-11-18T09:16:00.000-05:002008-11-18T09:16:00.000-05:00Mac preached at Criswell College on 11/6. Preached...Mac preached at Criswell College on 11/6. Preached the same message he did at SWBTS on 11/5.<BR/><BR/>Still raked Mrs. Truett through the mud saying she "rose in opposition" against Criswell.<BR/><BR/>But one minor omission from Mac's sermon:<BR/><BR/>He didn't use his little snipe: "Isn't it interesting how history repeats itself".<BR/><BR/>Why not Mac? Didn't have the guts to tell everyone there how the wife of the man whom the college is named after opposed YOU? You took your shot at Mrs. Criswell over at Fort Worth, but at Dallas you didn't have the guts to do it? Why not?<BR/><BR/>And Mac defended himself and other pastors, telling them that he doesn't earn "millions", doesn't "live in a mansion", and doesn't "drive expensive cars".<BR/><BR/>Never once does he express any gratitude for what he OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN GRACED WITH. Just wants to make it sound like he gets paid like any other preacher.<BR/><BR/>The guy is a liar and a deceiver. There's no other way to put it.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5003185760595628562008-11-18T08:37:00.000-05:002008-11-18T08:37:00.000-05:00Small Groups that don't work...As a pastor I am ve...Small Groups that don't work...<BR/><BR/>As a pastor I am very careful when we divide our members up into small groups (including SS). Not so much that small groups are a bad thing but it is vitally important that the persons leading these groups be called to teach and are supportive of the ministries of the church.<BR/><BR/>In a church the size of FBCJ and the number of unknowns who disagree with the pastor - how would one know if the person overseeing the small group is really going to benefit the persons in the group for the cause of Christ?<BR/><BR/>All churches have had their naysayers and they will continue to have them. I think we can all agree that much prayer and discernment is needed when people are being asked to oversee the teaching of God's word to others. Small groups at FBCJ right now would seem a difficult thing to oversee --- unless it is a way to draw the naysayers out. That would be to much work for me to consider, but for the conspiracy theorists it could be a go.<BR/><BR/>Dog, I am not your opponent - though I disagree with you on just about everything - I believe you believe you are sincere, though I believe you are sincerely wrong.<BR/><BR/>Your brother in Christ who is not ashamed to show himself.<BR/><BR/>jleJon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6467583518744246412008-11-18T08:11:00.000-05:002008-11-18T08:11:00.000-05:00Anon 12:08 - very well said.There is an emptiness ...Anon 12:08 - very well said.<BR/><BR/>There is an emptiness about his preaching. Let me explain it this way.<BR/><BR/>Jerry Vines wrote two books on preaching, "A Guide to Effective Sermon Delivery" and "A Guide to Effective Sermon Preparation". I understand these are textbooks used in many seminaries.<BR/><BR/>In the book on sermon delivery, Vines explains all the mechanics of how to effectively deliver a sermon, also mental and rhetorical methods. Very technical. <BR/><BR/>But his last two chapters in this book he discusses two aspects of sermon delivery: "heart preaching" and "annointed preaching".<BR/><BR/>Vines' points out that a preacher can have all the other aspects mastered in his book, but if you are not a "heart" preacher (sincere, concerned, loving) or if you are not an "annointed" preacher (the Holy Spirit working through your sermon), its all in vain. Its empty preaching. <BR/><BR/>In my opinion, and I know my opponents here will disagree, Mac is not an annointed preacher. This to me has been very apparent for some time. Why do I say he is not an annointed preacher? I guess I'll explain it in my own layman's terms like this: Mac is less interested in the Holy Spirit bringing conviction to his listeners, than he is in FORCIBLY getting his listeners to agree with HIM...he FORCIBLY, sometimes angrily, will try to get people to see their shortcomings. He speaks with condescension to his listeners. No where in scripture do I ever see Jesus condescendingly, angrily, preaching to people (except for the Pharisees, the arrogant religious leaders of his day - never to the sheep). Mac preaches from a mountain down to the plebe. His over-use of history is self-serving as he expects his listeners to share his own love for history. In short, he doesn't seem to trust the Holy Spirit to take his words and fit them to each of the listeners' hearts, to bring convinction to the lost to be saved, or to convict the saved to repentence and service. The preaching of the great preachers of the past (Vines mentions Criswell and Truett and R.G. Lee) like Vines (still preaching!), Lindsay, and Rogers...these men would preach and all ages and all conditions of men would be touched by the Holy Spirit in one single sermon. The people of FBC Jax and BBC and FBC Dallas know what I'm talking about. Children could learn and understand their sermons. The lost man was convicted of his need to be saved. The backslidden Christian would be compelled to return to Christ. The lazy church member who wasn't serving as he should was moved to serve - and all this in one single sermon heard by thousands of listeners. For Mac, many of the children get nothing as they are lost in his history and scared by his anger...the lost man and visitors are put off by his arrogance and unloving attitude towards those he SHOULD love (his church members)...and the Christians aren't touched perhaps as they should be because of his unloving complaining and harping. I believe the whole package of his delivery, his attitude, his "aire", his consescension,it all serves to squelches the Holy Spirit's ability to do what he wants to do. A man can have a doctorate from a seminary, but the Holy Spirit can more use a non-seminary trained layman to deliver God's word than an un-annointed preacher - and those at FBC Jax that have been touched by the sweet bible teachers at our church in Sunday School know what I mean! This is another reason perhaps that Mac is meeting great resistance to his scheme of forcing us into small groups. We are not being fed by his sermons and now he is wanting us to huddle in small groups when what we want in the SS hour is an annointed, heart, loving, bible teacher to teach a lesson - and they do NOT need to be taught "Old Testament 101" by Jim Smyrl or Marcus Allen to be qualified to deliver such a bible lesson. Am I getting through here?<BR/><BR/>But the point of this article that I've written about Mac's tearful reading of the Old Testament, is that Mac is not a HEART preacher. He doesn't show any love toward his people. If he really does love his congregation it NEVER comes out in his preaching. It doesn't even come out in his announcements when he does them. He may be a great guy in his office or after the service or at the restaurant, but 90% of his listeners will never have the opportunity to know him and share an evening or meal with him. What we know about Mac, the REAL Mac must come forth from his preaching. And the Mac that comes forth is angry, unloving, boastful, arrogant. Now, if he is not like that in real life, one on one...then he really needs to bring his preaching in line with the real Mac. Otherwise its just a show - he's a performer. People that knew Vines and Lindsay knew that what they were in the pulpit was what they were in real life. They weren't showmen.<BR/><BR/>If you are following the events at Ocala with THEIR preacher, it seems that their preacher is Mac in reverse: he is a wonderful heart preacher, but his persona in the pulpit of being a loving, humble man deliverying God's word is not matched by his ruthless actions out of the pulpit in that he has seen 6 associate pastors fired and banned from the property as they dared to bring concerns about his leadership to the deacons.<BR/><BR/>I'll leave you with this: for Vines to point out that "heart" and "annointed" preaching are the ultimate requisites for effective preaching, is to also say, sadly, there are preachers lacking in those. And we have one that I believe is lacking in both.<BR/><BR/>Here is an excerpt from Vines' book, from the chapter on "heart" preaching:<BR/><BR/><I>Perhaps the reason there has been a recoil against heart preaching is the extreme to whch some preachers have gone. There is an insincerity that is obnoxious in the pulpit, if not embarrassing. The preacher who sheds crocodile tears and who purposely works up his congregation to accomplish his own ends is not actually a heart preacher. Such preaching is basically insincerity covered with a pretense of emotion."</I><BR/><BR/>That is where we are at. And its so painfully obvious, I don't know why men who should be Mac's mentors like Vines and Hunt, won't read Mac the riot act and get him to change his ways. If Vines is sitting idly by, and criticizing anonymous bloggers while he is letting Mac behave as he is, he shares in the guilt of the destruction of our church.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70714972533397741022008-11-18T07:30:00.000-05:002008-11-18T07:30:00.000-05:00I accidentally rejected about 8 comments last nigh...I accidentally rejected about 8 comments last night, sorry. I have to allow comments through, and I rarely reject comments.<BR/><BR/>But people, enough of the threats of exposure, or criticisms of how much time people spend here.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25374238619887245072008-11-18T07:23:00.000-05:002008-11-18T07:23:00.000-05:00Anon 7:06; I actually responded to you last night ...Anon 7:06; I actually responded to you last night but the blogger determined it wasn't worth putting up for what ever reason. So here is my much shorter cliff notes version of what I wrote:<BR/><BR/>-it is none of your business where I work<BR/>-I really don't care what you think about what I do on my breaks and lunches. <BR/>-I can read and write English pretty well (a lost language form in Jacksonville, I know) and my electronic equipment use form from my company states limited personal use on breaks and lunches. Now if you have problems understanding what that means, look up the definitions of the words. <BR/>-On the note of the above, the company has a filter that pops up when we go to view personal sites like these. We are required to use in 10 minute blocks our personal time to access sites like these. So, if I am on a personal site for 1 minute, it still docks me for 10. This personal use time is equivalent to our breaks and lunches and what the max is reached we are not allowed back out on the site any longer. Btw, I haven't begun my shift yet and am at work today using it now, that means I have less time on my breaks and lunch today. <BR/>-There is no way I could "hide" behind my computer, our desk are not shaped as such to where that is possible, all monitors face out so anyone walking by can see what is going on, and there is also this issue that my supervisor only sits one desk over. And so you don't try weaseling your way out of this one. We don't have those high cubicle walls. They are short where you can see most everyone around you. <BR/>-I gave you my break/lunch schedule since you seem to be so interested and obsessed with it. And to further reiterate I did not post at any time yesterday while I should have been working. <BR/>-About my employer and your verifying anything. You aren't wrong because I am giving you info to verify, you are wrong because you are wrong whether you verify it or not. <BR/><BR/>Now, if you would like to continue this line of questioning be my guest. As I said, I don't really care what you think about my job. So if you would like to be like a little dog barking at someone's leg be my guest and do so. Doesn't bother me a bit. <BR/><BR/>For full disclosure, I added a couple of lines to the cliff notes version, but all in all it says pretty much the same thing. See ya on my break!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53780027779093795422008-11-18T00:28:00.000-05:002008-11-18T00:28:00.000-05:00Children need to go to bed...this blog is for thos...Children need to go to bed...this blog is for those taking the abuses of Donald McCall Brunson seriously. How many "pastors" preach the way Brunson preaches? It is one thing to preach with fire about sin and instructing the flock to stay clear of the temptations of the Devil, to hate sin, but love the sinner. Brunson's sermons come from a much different place. He feels put upon, someone has wronged him, picked on in school, something, because the sweet love of Jesus doesn't come shining through. The smile and the true love of the scriptures has not been one his strengths. History, Greek, story telling, past history of FBC, condemnation of the disciples (God fearing members of FBC). He is realizing that the rants are becoming old - he senses from the people that his tactics are wearing thin - so let's mix it up a little.<BR/><BR/>The story of Joseph is one of the greatest and most often read and told stories in the bible. What born again believer has not read, heard, read commentaries on, watched on tv, had indepth bible studies on, even saw in a broadway production etc...the amazing story of Joseph and the mercy and love shown to his brothers when revenge could have easily been on his mind. But to break down in a mass of snot and tears flowing was beyond belief and quite frankly, uncomfortable.<BR/><BR/>Man up Brunson and stop trying to use television evangelistic tactics - we are much deeper than that. We understand the scriptures and we know a fake and phony when we see one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47660878869920391742008-11-17T23:52:00.000-05:002008-11-17T23:52:00.000-05:00Two thoughts:1) For those who argue that God will ...Two thoughts:<BR/><BR/>1) For those who argue that God will handle any issues with Mac and that WD (or any other man) should just "step out of the way" (or leave or whatever) and leave it up to God, I would ask this: Do you not believe that God is using Mac to accomplish his will? And if you do, as you presumably do, is it completely unreasonable that God could be using WD (or others) to accomplish his will? The Bible does not say that God ONLY uses pastors... He uses all of us, and has always used men, pastors and non-pastors alike, to accomplish his will. So the argument that WD should cease but also that Mac is used of God is invalid.<BR/><BR/>2) I am not very familiar with Swaggert. But one name came immediately to mind when I first heard the audio clips of Mac linked on this blog: Bill Clinton. I'm not comparing Mac to Bill in any terms other than this: they sure sound a lot alike when they start (fake) crying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62454479774189047892008-11-17T23:36:00.000-05:002008-11-17T23:36:00.000-05:00Anon 10:15 I will save you some time. Look at thi...Anon 10:15 I will save you some time. Look at this Rick Warren revelation. <BR/><BR/>WWW.atruechurch.info/rickwarren.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3327794737132170532008-11-17T23:23:00.000-05:002008-11-17T23:23:00.000-05:00Anon 10:15 have you studied about the PURPOSE DRIV...Anon 10:15 have you studied about the PURPOSE DRIVEN MOVEMENT? Have you looked into what Rick Warren says in his books? If you haven't, maybe you should.<BR/><BR/>Warren and Hybells have changed biblical truth for something unbiblical. <BR/><BR/>"Warren's teaching gets people to focus on themselves{your worth, you significance}, and Scripture gets people to focus on God, and his great love tword mankind" Ephesians 2;4. <BR/><BR/>There is ample evidence to show that Warren twists scripture for his own purpose. From what he has written, he misleads countless souls. <BR/><BR/>Pragmatically his system does build churches. But what you have when you are finnished is not a called out assembly of body of believers in Jesus Christ, but a mixture of entertainment seekers who never get fed the Word of God. Basicly the church dies. <BR/><BR/>Watchdog has graciously allowed us to use his blog to inform FBCJAX and others of the great harm that the PURPOSE DRIVEN MOVEMENT IS DOING TO THE LORD'S WORD AND HIS PEOPLE.<BR/><BR/>Check it out brother. The Lord is coming soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78540561038788971252008-11-17T22:15:00.000-05:002008-11-17T22:15:00.000-05:00Isn't every church driven by something--either by ...Isn't every church driven by something--either by some personality in the church, or by its annual budget, or by its traditions, or by surrounding seekers, or by its biblical purpose? Aren't some things which could drive us better than some other things which could drive us?--From among them, isn't biblical purpose better than any of them? If so, what's wrong with being purpose driven? Not getting the criticism here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86885637869423644902008-11-17T21:58:00.000-05:002008-11-17T21:58:00.000-05:00I have never heard of Jimmy Swaggart. Maybe, I'm a...I have never heard of Jimmy Swaggart. Maybe, I'm a little behind the times.<BR/>However, I did attend this Sunday's service and thought our pastor did a great job with his sermons. Clearly, the Lord spoke through him and as a result delivered a great sermon. I don't think it was Theatrics. I think it was Theology in action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49479448666147145362008-11-17T21:32:00.000-05:002008-11-17T21:32:00.000-05:00Anon 11:49 "This is an absolute disgrace. You shou...Anon 11:49 <BR/><BR/>"This is an absolute disgrace. You should be ashamed of yourself. You are making FUN of your PASTOR"!! <BR/><BR/>Pure and simple, high-school grammar!<BR/> <BR/>Your post reveals your true identity? Trey would be so proud!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55289145222425567102008-11-17T21:29:00.000-05:002008-11-17T21:29:00.000-05:00Anon 5:26:"It is written at 5:26 PM was so eloquen...Anon 5:26:<BR/><BR/>"It is written at 5:26 PM was so eloquent in exposition of the Word. Why do you deem it necessary to threaten exposure to someone you deem beyond reproach? You must surely know you are so lacking in biblical knowledge that you resort to threats of exposure of somewhat. Exposure to what? Are you a biblical guru or a technical guru wanting to hold accountable your perception of acceptability. If you misuse the technical avenues, you will be exposed for what you are and those you represent. <BR/><BR/>Don't try to intimidate, you are so lacking in so many areas; especially in recognizing God's will in a situation you are not a direct participant of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com