tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post2056574347646367432..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "There's Gold in Them Thar Pews!!"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger103125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58907666821637954752010-10-26T14:32:29.512-04:002010-10-26T14:32:29.512-04:00Usually those who complain about tithing and claim...Usually those who complain about tithing and claim that it is against the New Testament don't really give because they love the Lord. Are the ten commandments no longer valid because of grace? no, but they continue to remind of that sin is sin and we need Jesus for the forgiveness of sin and power over sin. If tithing was a command of God in the Old Testament, is it negated in the New. No, but it gives us a starting point and grace takes us farther because we love Him. We belong to Him as do all we possess, so we are to be stewards who flee sin. As a pastor, I encourage my people to give as an act of worship and to give like God who demonstrated His love for us by giving His one and only Son. As a pastor, I also give more than a tithe. Every time the church gives me a raise, I increase the percentage of what I give to God. I believe that 10% is the starting point and grace takes you way beyond. Those who want to save up treasure in this life I am sure disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71480177772115914862010-10-14T18:06:29.806-04:002010-10-14T18:06:29.806-04:00You people think I lie, I'm telling you the Go...<i>You people think I lie, I'm telling you the Gods honest truth. Back about 20 years I confronted some people about it, and you wouldn't even believe what happened to me. trust me on this. Its been going on for years. Its all a whole lot worse than a lot of people have ANY idea. (you gonna print this watchdog?) lets see.....I promise you these techniques are far advanced to what they were 20 years ago. And the christian community is neck deep in it all.</i><br /><br />Anon,<br /><br />Could you please provide a link(s) to some resources on this subject? I can't find anything pertaining specifically to subliminal messages in <i>Christian</i> music or advertising. I'd really be interested in learning more about this subject. Frankly, I don't think having the word "sex" embedded in print advertising is going to be a selling point for me. Just sayin'.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1465694569041919672010-10-14T16:59:56.416-04:002010-10-14T16:59:56.416-04:00Ben wrote: Great point. You would also think that ...Ben wrote: Great point. You would also think that Jesus, knowing it was going to be abolished would:<br /><br />1 - Not have encouraged them to keep on, keeping on.<br />2 - Let them know about the coming kingdom where the tithe would not be required.<br /><br />I think there is a reason for this, like the tithe still being the beginning point for NT believers.<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Doesn't your reasoning apply then, not just to the tithe, but to the thousands of other Mosaic laws and commandments? Surely you don't believe such a thing and surely no one would ever teach that. So I must be misunderstanding you. (smile)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40923991584679501062010-10-14T15:31:58.785-04:002010-10-14T15:31:58.785-04:00"2 - Let them know about the coming kingdom w..."2 - Let them know about the coming kingdom where the tithe would not be required."<br /><br />Since none of the NT writers did that why would Christ? Let's see if that logic works in reverse. During the dozens of times that the NT authors addressed giving, how many times did they say to give 10%? I'll save you some time - the answer is zero. Matter of fact, they said the opposite - that each person should give what they have decided in their own heart NOT UNDER COMPULSION. 10% or you are stealing from God is compulsion. So if you are right, the Bible contradicts itself. I think I will stick with the interpretation that doesn't cause the Bible to fall.<br /><br />"I think there is a reason for this, like the tithe still being the beginning point for NT believers."<br /><br />Where is this stated in the NT?<br /><br />"Why should the other books speak on the subject? God didn't lead them to because Jesus settled it in Matthew."<br /><br />But they did:<br />2 Corinthians 9: 7<br /><br />Please harmonize that verse with the OT tithe.<br /><br />And once again I ask the question to NT tithing advocates - not because I expect an answer but to show that they don't have one.<br /><br />Why were the Israelites required to give 23% and NT Christians only 10%?<br /><br />I've been asking that question for months. Still waiting on a reply.<br /><br />Study the history of the tithe. You will find that for the first 700 years of the Christian church no one paid a tithe. They followed the instructions from 2 Corinthians 9: 7. <br /><br />The idea of the NT tithe came from 8th century pagan land leasing laws. The going rate was 10%. The church incorporated that practice as a money raising tactic and used OT scriptures as proof texts.<br /><br />Learn how to interpret scripture correctly and you won't be fooled by the traditions of man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53411215301096615082010-10-14T15:31:44.508-04:002010-10-14T15:31:44.508-04:00Only if you interpret the verse out of context and...Only if you interpret the verse out of context and assume that scripture directed toward a hypocritical pharisee is also meant for you.<br /><br />The OT tithes (there were 3) were used to a:pay the Levites (who were not allowed to own anything) b: help the poor, widows, and orphans and c: pay for the festivals that they were required to attend. <br /><br />They acted as a tax to pay for civil government, welfare, and required civil duties. And by the way, they never paid money. It was always animals and/or harvests. <br /><br />Jesus in effect would have been telling them to not pay their local taxes if he followed your suggestion.<br /><br />(cont)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26060884721864659402010-10-14T14:34:43.451-04:002010-10-14T14:34:43.451-04:00Ben - you are a wonder.
Even a blind squirrel fin...Ben - you are a wonder.<br /><br />Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn occasionally. You would think that you would get something right at least once.<br /><br />"You would also think that Jesus, knowing it was going to be abolished would"<br /><br />"1 - Not have encouraged them to keep on, keeping on."<br /><br />Only if you interpret the verse out of context and assume that scripture directed toward a hypocritical pharisee is also meant for you.<br /><br />The OT tithes (there were 3) were used to a:pay the Levites (who were not allowed to own anything) b: help the poor, widows, and orphans and c: pay for the festivals that they were required to attend. <br /><br />They acted as a tax to pay for civil government, welfare, and required civil duties. And by the way, they never paid money. It was always animals and/or harvests. <br /><br />Jesus in effect would have been telling them to not pay their local taxes if he followed your suggestion.<br /><br />"2 - Let them know about the coming kingdom where the tithe would not be required."<br /><br />Since none of the NT writers did that why would Christ? Let's see if that logic works in reverse. During the dozens of times that the NT authors addressed giving, how many times did they say to give 10%? I'll save you some time - the answer is zero. Matter of fact, they said the opposite - that each person should give what they have decided in their own heart NOT UNDER COMPULSION. 10% or you are stealing from God is compulsion. So if you are right, the Bible contradicts itself. I think I will stick with the interpretation that doesn't cause the Bible to fall.<br /><br />"I think there is a reason for this, like the tithe still being the beginning point for NT believers."<br /><br />Where is this stated in the NT?<br /><br />"Why should the other books speak on the subject? God didn't lead them to because Jesus settled it in Matthew."<br /><br />But they did:<br />2 Corinthians 9: 7<br /><br />Please harmonize that verse with the OT tithe.<br /><br />And once again I ask the question to NT tithing advocates - not because I expect an answer but to show that they don't have one.<br /><br />Why were the Israelites required to give 23% and NT Christians only 10%?<br /><br />I've been asking that question for months. Still waiting on a reply.<br /><br />Study the history of the tithe. You will find that for the first 700 years of the Christian church no one paid a tithe. They followed the instructions from 2 Corinthians 9: 7. <br /><br />The idea of the NT tithe came from 8th century pagan land leasing laws. The going rate was 10%. The church incorporated that practice as a money raising tactic and used OT scriptures as proof texts.<br /><br />Learn how to interpret scripture correctly and you won't be fooled by the traditions of man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17727334411335306732010-10-14T14:08:37.765-04:002010-10-14T14:08:37.765-04:00"so He was condeming them for doing something..."so He was condeming them for doing something lesser (tithing) by affirming them for doing it (tithing)?"<br /><br />Nope - not what I said. He was condemning them for keeping the lesser law (OT Jewish Tithe) while at the same time not keeping the weightier matters of the law (justice, mercy & faith). <br /><br />Matthew 23: 23<br /><br />Jesus is teaching that He prefers it when people practice mercy and not blindly follow ritual.<br /><br />If you had read this scripture in context, then the question would have been unnecessary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43478109803490643792010-10-14T12:18:10.900-04:002010-10-14T12:18:10.900-04:00Gotta love the church newsletter I just got for my...Gotta love the church newsletter I just got for my 12 year old daughter in the youth division of FBCD. The title of current Sunday series....." The Best Sex Ever" . Wow great worship material for my daughter. And everyone worries about what public schools are teaching..... This is the only topic they could find for our youth? Marketing at work in our church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77730036879664472802010-10-14T09:39:19.809-04:002010-10-14T09:39:19.809-04:00"And since we are talking about tithing. In M..."And since we are talking about tithing. In Matthew 23:23 Jesus commended the Pharisees for tithing. It wasn't the main issue of course, but he still commended them for doing it. He had a perfect opportunity to say that it was not required anymore. But he didn't"<br /><br />Great point. You would also think that Jesus, knowing it was going to be abolished would:<br /><br />1 - Not have encouraged them to keep on, keeping on.<br />2 - Let them know about the coming kingdom where the tithe would not be required.<br /><br />I think there is a reason for this, like the tithe still being the beginning point for NT believers.<br /><br />Why should the other books speak on the subject? God didn't lead them to because Jesus settled it in Matthew. yes there are more important things, like knowing Jesus. The Jews had a handle on tithing, they didn't need the lecture but they did not have a handle on Jesus so that needed to be the main focus.Bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5722439583193936812010-10-14T09:24:58.679-04:002010-10-14T09:24:58.679-04:00Kenneth - a man came to Jesus and asked him straig...Kenneth - a man came to Jesus and asked him straight up, man to man, "what must I do to be saved." Did Jesus tell him to give 10%. No. The man would have done that, for he was rich and 10% is nothing to him. But Jesus told him to sell all that he owns AND give it to the poor. Isn't that the clearest teaching, in context, directly from Jesus, about what must be done to be saved? And yet, no preacher, none, asks us to give anything to the poor, let alone 10% to the poor, or ALL to the poor. No. They want us to give it to their budget, undesignated. That doesn't concern you Kenneth?<br /><br />Go and do likewise. Then, follow Jesus. Otherwise, quit pulling scriptures out of context. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32419909032144433122010-10-14T09:20:10.519-04:002010-10-14T09:20:10.519-04:00"The earth is the Lords and everything in it&..."The earth is the Lords and everything in it"<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Amen! So can you please stop asking ME to give something that is not mine but is the LORD's. I cannot give you something that belongs to someone else. It is all the Lords. So please quit asking me to give it to you. Or if you are a preacher, stop telling me that God requires that I give what is already His, to Him, er to your budget. It makes no sense. "Hey, that car Kenneth is driving belongs to Kenneth. You must give it to Kenneth, since he owns it anyway. And you can get it to Kenneth by donating it to my 501(C)(3). And if you object to doing so, I will just tell you it already belongs to Kenneth anyway, so what is your problem. Are we to check our logic and intellect at the door of the church Kenneth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6309668346954577372010-10-14T09:15:21.586-04:002010-10-14T09:15:21.586-04:00so He was condeming them for doing something lesse...so He was condeming them for doing something lesser (tithing) by affirming them for doing it (tithing)?<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Kenneth - my understanding of that passage is this: He was saying "You legalistic lost pharisees are under the law that requires you to tithe, so do it, but don't ignore the other matters. Simply tithing to conform with the letter of the law is not what I am looking for"<br /><br />Either way, Kenneth, if you are a pharisee under the law, then yes, I agree, you too must tithe. Does that interpretation make sense. Or is the better interpretation that whatever he told the hypocritical white washed tombs known as pharisees, who were trying to earn salvation through keeping the law...also applies to me? Really? Really Kenneth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31402132381430743012010-10-13T21:10:16.229-04:002010-10-13T21:10:16.229-04:00so He was condeming them for doing something lesse...so He was condeming them for doing something lesser (tithing) by affirming them for doing it (tithing)?<br /><br />And I do read the Bible in context, I was just asking a question. Thanks for the mini-lecture though..Kennethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39343047212867799342010-10-13T17:21:16.451-04:002010-10-13T17:21:16.451-04:00"And since we are talking about tithing. In M..."And since we are talking about tithing. In Matthew 23:23 Jesus commended the Pharisees for tithing. It wasn't the main issue of course, but he still commended them for doing it. He had a perfect opportunity to say that it was not required anymore. But he didn't"<br /><br />That's because he was talking to Jews who were still keeping the OT laws. He was condemning them for keeping a lesser part of the (OT) law and ignoring more important matters. You have to interpret scripture in context - always.<br /><br />I wonder why in all the times that the NT talks about giving that none of the NT writers ever said 10%.<br /><br />Perhaps it was because the Jewish law required 23%. Or maybe it was because that is not the NT model.<br /><br />2 Corinthians 9: 7Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84802975694705228952010-10-13T16:35:08.935-04:002010-10-13T16:35:08.935-04:00Anon 9:35
I don't think you understood my com...Anon 9:35<br /><br />I don't think you understood my comment. <br /><br />"Every good and perfect gift is from above, the father of lights"<br /><br />"The earth is the Lords and everything in it"<br /><br /><br />do I need to go on? There is plenty of Scripture that show's we are not our own anymore, once we become a Christian. <br /><br />And since we are talking about tithing. In Matthew 23:23 Jesus commended the Pharisees for tithing. It wasn't the main issue of course, but he still commended them for doing it. He had a perfect opportunity to say that it was not required anymore. But he didn'tKennethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63290868200624985012010-10-13T13:11:38.005-04:002010-10-13T13:11:38.005-04:00Isn't it funny how the NT tithing advocates al...Isn't it funny how the NT tithing advocates always disappear when you ask them that one simple question?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15397249162890922862010-10-13T11:30:25.983-04:002010-10-13T11:30:25.983-04:00Anon on October 13, 2010 10:13:
Your comment is e...Anon on October 13, 2010 10:13:<br /><br />Your comment is excellent. Thanks for focusing on facts and reminding others that we do not follow men. And yes, even famous ones can be wrong. Martin Luther wrote horrible things about Jews and the much venerated Adrian Rogers preached a tithe for the NC that does not exist in the NC!<br /><br />It would be awesome if Christians wanted to grow up in the Lord, but they don't. They want to grow up in other humans they substitute for the Holy Spirit. Very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77738255714385431772010-10-13T10:13:12.279-04:002010-10-13T10:13:12.279-04:00"Some great biblical scholars and mighty men ..."Some great biblical scholars and mighty men of God would disagree with your interpretation."<br /><br />You can say that about any interpretation including yours. Your point?<br /><br />"If you are right then:<br /><br />Dr. Rogers, Dr. Vines, Dr. Criswell, Drs. Lindsey,RG Lee, Dr. John Bisagno... were at best deceived, at worst, liars."<br /><br />Stop worshiping men and learn how to interpret scripture.<br />2 Timothy 2: 15<br /><br />Worshiping men is how the church got into the mess it is in today.<br /><br />I find it amusing that you claim that - I say it is so - and then instead of appealing to scripture - you say it is so because men say it is so. I would suggest that you apply your logic to yourself.<br /> <br /><br />"I find this difficult to believe over someone who won't divulge who they are."<br /><br />This is what is known as an ad hominem attack. It's the oldest trick in the book. It is used by people who can't win with the facts so they resort to name calling.<br /><br />When the facts are on your side pound the facts. When they aren't pound the table.<br /><br />The anonymity issue has been dealt with many times on this site already. Perhaps you are new to the discussion. It has nothing to do with the truth of the issue. But it is prudent. You can ask WD about that.<br /><br />Since there are hundreds of Ben Patricks in this world and your account is not linked, again I would suggest that you apply your logic to yourself.<br /><br />As I mentioned earlier:<br /><br />The idea for the Christian tithe was borrowed from 8th century pagan land leasing laws. 10% was the going rate. The church adopted it and used the OT laws as proof texts.<br /><br />And gullible Christians have been feeling guilty for over 1300 years.<br /><br />Source: Pagan ChristianityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69602681700304609572010-10-13T10:12:31.177-04:002010-10-13T10:12:31.177-04:00"So, why would a pastor stick with a doctrine..."So, why would a pastor stick with a doctrine that he knows is not Biblical?"<br /><br />"Its not biblical because you say so. Not everyone agrees with your interpretation."<br /><br />Do you get your exercise that way? Jumping to conclusions. You must be new here. I have laid out the case many times before.<br /><br />It's not because I say so - it's because the Bible says so. The case is clearly laid out in scripture. <br /><br />Not everyone agrees on ANY interpretation - so that is not a good method for discovering truth. <br /><br />One way that you can know for sure that your interpretation is wrong is when you interpret a verse and that interpretation contradicts another verse in the Bible.<br /><br />Please try to harmonize the OT verses that demand a tithe (from the Israelites) and 2 Corinthians 9: 7. <br /><br />Also please answer the question that no tithing advocate has been able to answer: why were the Israelites required to give 23% and we are only required to give 10%<br /><br />It's not that hard to figure out.<br /><br />What is hard is giving up tradition and letting the Bible be the final court of authority on the issue.<br /><br />(cont)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7138535900739643842010-10-13T10:11:13.657-04:002010-10-13T10:11:13.657-04:00"So, why would a pastor stick with a doctrine..."So, why would a pastor stick with a doctrine that he knows is not Biblical?"<br /><br />"Its not biblical because you say so. Not everyone agrees with your interpretation."<br /><br />Do you get your exercise that way? Jumping to conclusions. You must be new here. I have laid out the case many times before.<br /><br />It's not because I say so - it's because the Bible says so. The case is clearly laid out in scripture. <br /><br />Not everyone agrees on ANY interpretation - so that is not a good method for discovering truth. <br /><br />One way that you can know for sure that your interpretation is wrong is when you interpret a verse and that interpretation contradicts another verse in the Bible.<br /><br />Please try to harmonize the OT verses that demand a tithe (from the Israelites) and 2 Corinthians 9: 7. <br /><br />Also please answer the question that no tithing advocate has been able to answer: why were the Israelites required to give 23% and we are only required to give 10%<br /><br />It's not that hard to figure out.<br /><br />What is hard is giving up tradition and letting the Bible be the final court of authority on the issue.<br /><br /> <br />"Some great biblical scholars and mighty men of God would disagree with your interpretation."<br /><br />You can say that about any interpretation including yours. Your point?<br /><br />"If you are right then:<br /><br />Dr. Rogers, Dr. Vines, Dr. Criswell, Drs. Lindsey,RG Lee, Dr. John Bisagno... were at best deceived, at worst, liars."<br /><br />Stop worshiping men and learn how to interpret scripture.<br />2 Timothy 2: 15<br /><br />Worshiping men is how the church got into the mess it is in today.<br /><br />I find it amusing that you claim that - I say it is so - and then instead of appealing to scripture - you say it is so because men say it is so. I would suggest that you apply your logic to yourself.<br /> <br /><br />"I find this difficult to believe over someone who won't divulge who they are."<br /><br />This is what is known as an ad hominem attack. It's the oldest trick in the book. It is used by people who can't win with the facts so they resort to name calling.<br /><br />When the facts are on your side pound the facts. When they aren't pound the table.<br /><br />The anonymity issue has been dealt with many times on this site already. Perhaps you are new to the discussion. It has nothing to do with the truth of the issue. But it is prudent. You can ask WD about that.<br /><br />Since there are hundreds of Ben Patricks in this world and your account is not linked, again I would suggest that you apply your logic to yourself.<br /><br />As I mentioned earlier:<br /><br />The idea for the Christian tithe was borrowed from 8th century pagan land leasing laws. 10% was the going rate. The church adopted it and used the OT laws as proof texts.<br /><br />And gullible Christians have been feeling guilty for over 1300 years.<br /><br />Source: Pagan ChristianityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52408767887361561442010-10-13T09:49:35.974-04:002010-10-13T09:49:35.974-04:00Ben - you sound like you are an unpopular person w...Ben - you sound like you are an unpopular person who wishes he were popular. Does popularity matter to you? How does it feel to be unpopular? If you are not one already, you should become a pastor. Instant popularity, instantly loved by the flock, then you can bully all those people that used to pick on you in high school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74046976475224082972010-10-13T09:43:51.273-04:002010-10-13T09:43:51.273-04:00Popularity = truth
You've made it, you are no...Popularity = truth<br /><br />You've made it, you are now one of the popular kids at school. How does it feel?<br /><br />October 13, 2010 9:05 AM<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Ben - it doesn't really feel that great since I was always popular in school. (That used to matter in the 8th grade and during high school so I don't know why you would bring it up now. Hmmmm, are you still in that age group?) <br /><br />And by the way, I used to pick on and beat up on some unpopular nerds who many it seems are now standing up in the pulpits and strutting around getting their revenge by abusing people, and who now love their own popularity and title as "God's man" and who love being a celebrity. I even smacked around a few guys named Ben I think. How does it feel to still be unpopular Ben? And to be worrying about whether some anonymous blogger is feeling good about his blog being popular with Christians who see the abuse and by pastors who are trying to understand the issues that concern their members.<br /><br />If WD wanted to be popular he might write books and promote Holy Land trips with his family, and accept land gifts and...here we go again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62554615893225211772010-10-13T09:35:13.542-04:002010-10-13T09:35:13.542-04:00Everything we have and everything we are belong to...Everything we have and everything we are belong to God. Let's not argue on percentages. Let's give all we have to the only one who is worthy!<br /><br />October 12, 2010 9:13 PM<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Please show me ONE person, past or present, that did this and I might consider it. Show me by example please. And if it belongs to God, why is it in your garage, or your house, or your pocket? Or why must I give it to the church budget if it belongs to God already. Are they God? If so, don't they own it all too. And if they own it all, why must they keep asking for it? And if God owns it all, shouldn't preachers be asking God for what is already his and not keep asking us, since we don't own it anyway. You confuse me with your church speak nonsense.<br /><br />Your logic: God owns it all, but God wants us to give it to God, who already owns it all anyway? Really? How do you know I haven't already given it all? That car in my driveway, it belongs to God right? That money in my pocket, it belongs to God right? So what's the problem. It's all already his. Oh, wait, you want me to give what is already God's to some local church budget then it will be God's? Wait it already is so how does who ends up with it effect whether God owns it all?<br /><br />Church speak. Love it! Have you been washed in the blood of the lamb?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42785844854964608502010-10-13T09:26:55.447-04:002010-10-13T09:26:55.447-04:00Do you really think anyone one outside of these 20...Do you really think anyone one outside of these 20 bloggers who continuously post here on everything you write, CARES?<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Unfortunately, Soud and his discipline committee cared. And Robert A. Hinson and Asst SA Seigel cared, and the JSO cared, and Mrs. Brunson cared, and the deacons who voted for an anti-criticism resolution cared. And those that read this from all over the world (see the little red dots on the site counter graph on this web site) care. And now the Federal judge hearing this case cares. And those that live in Jacksonville and read the front page article where Mac called WD a sociopath care. And all the other bloggers who have written on what is going on care.<br /><br />Boy, if only it were 20 people... But Mac and Soud couldn't ignore it. Their arrogance and pride would not allow even 20 dissenters. They had to shut it down. But keep living with your head in the sand and believing this blog is read by 20 people who can be ignored. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26242259275896160152010-10-13T09:19:43.347-04:002010-10-13T09:19:43.347-04:00Ben Patrick - If you are right then:
Dr. Rogers, ...Ben Patrick - If you are right then:<br /><br />Dr. Rogers, Dr. Vines, Dr. Criswell, Drs. Lindsey,RG Lee, Dr. John Bisagno... were at best deceived, at worst, liars.<br /><br />I find this difficult to believe over someone who won't divulge who they are.<br />___________________________________<br /><br /><br />If those guys are right on their salvation doctrines, then all the Popes, bishops, cardinals, priests, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Alan Keyes, Bill Bennett, Urban Meyer, Billy Donovan, Mother Teresa, the Catholic church over the centuries, ALL, ALL, ALL have been at best deceived, and at worst, liars. Should I believe them over some baptist preacher, or someone who uses the screen name Ben Patrick who I don't even know? I find your logic difficult to believe.Concerned Laymannoreply@blogger.com