tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post2110386316683492102..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: St. John's County Churches: Here Comes the Big Dog!FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43650169874579701502008-06-24T02:55:00.000-04:002008-06-24T02:55:00.000-04:00I don't recall in scrpiture where they had compute...I don't recall in scrpiture where they had computers much less blogged.Please show me in scriptures were it states you have to reveal your identity.The reason I compared Dr.Brunson to The Apostle Paul is because just as Paul was a leader in the Church so is Brunson.But at least Paul was humble and approachable and preached th Gospel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81063767648071375162008-06-23T22:25:00.000-04:002008-06-23T22:25:00.000-04:00To Anon June 22,2008 10:01pm. And I don't recall s...To Anon June 22,2008 10:01pm. And I don't recall scrpiture revealing that Paul was secretive about finances,hiding land deals(That got Ananias killed Acts 5:1-3),manipulating scripture(Tithing,et.al),abusive and condesending attitude towards his fellow Christians,preaching history and not Jesus[1Cor.2:1-2]. Again Watchdog you are smart to conceal your identity because these types of men are vengeful[cf.The Pharisees].<BR/><BR/>Your the one who compared him to Paul. Blogging about someone anonymously or otherwise is unscriptural. Please show me where, anywhere that this type of attack is scriptural! You know you cannnot. The only vengeful ones are yourself and wdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79081477923425986882008-06-23T17:31:00.000-04:002008-06-23T17:31:00.000-04:00Hi Donny Mac - how about using your talents and hi...Hi Donny Mac - how about using your talents and history and greek to try and find one passage in the OT or NT that says we are to give 10% of our wages to the local church. Just one, sir... I don't care if Homer Lindsay said to do it, or if your dad taught you to do it when you were a boy. That sounds like "living in the past" and "legalism" to me. Like you, sir, I WANT SCRIPTURE!!!!! Your silence on this is deafening. A hint: use your "smarts" to come up with some scripture to support your sermon topic next time. What a waste of talent and theological education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45554385139613644092008-06-23T17:04:00.000-04:002008-06-23T17:04:00.000-04:00i dont know the bible very well, but I thought tha...i dont know the bible very well, but I thought that in the book of Malachi it says if you dont tithe you are robbing God? It goes on to talk about the tithe being 10%. And are you saying that Jesus didnt teach us to tithe? I was sure he did, but I dont know where that vers is. what is the difference in an OT Law vs OT command? arent both essentially God telling the people what to do or dont do? i just dont understand, please clarify.<BR/>some fo ya'lls arguement is confusing. did your preacher agree to a "package" to come to your chruch or did this guy, like an athlete, say, fi you give me all of this, then i will come. if it is the first, then ya'll apprently did this to yourselves and i gues if it is the second, agreeing to his demands kinda makes you as bad has him. sounds like your chruch was willing to "sell out" to get this guy and now you have regrets. so how can you blame him, you "bought him, now TRADE HIMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29001557207056635282008-06-23T13:04:00.000-04:002008-06-23T13:04:00.000-04:00Anon - Mac said at the beginning of yesterday's se...Anon - Mac said at the beginning of yesterday's sermon that it would be "uncomfortable"...and was he right. The only thing more uncomfortable than hearing Mac lecture us about finances would be to have to listen to Bill Clinton preach on marital fidelity.<BR/><BR/>Mac is a hypocrite, and a liar. He purposely lied and deceived his congregation yesterday about his own finances, and then dared to tell his congregation at the end that unless they tithe 10% to the church they ware robbing God, and that anyone who says tithing 10% to the church is not required is of Satan.<BR/><BR/>More to come soon...FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8976269866607337472008-06-23T12:09:00.000-04:002008-06-23T12:09:00.000-04:00I am commenting today, because, I am still in tota...I am commenting today, because, I am still in total shock over yesterday's AM sermon(if you still call them that). I could not believe what I was hearing. Literally !!! <BR/><BR/>Firstly, he did not mention that the land, $307 thousand was given to him and did he even pay taxes on it, or was that taken care of also? In addition, he didn't mention that he lived FREE the previous year in an Amelia Island, Million + plus Condo(another gift from a generous member). We still do not know if any additional monies were given to him to "defray" cost of moving expenses, but I am relatively sure those expenses were in the "PACKAGE"!! The church pays for insurance on house,cars, themselves,etc. They get a HOUSING ALLOWANCE in addition to salary, plus car ALLOWANCE, gas is paid for by church. (At $4 + a gallon). I suppose a housing allowance would come in handy to help pay for the "gated community" fee each month. Things are so expensive nowadays. Travel expenses are paid for by (somebody) not them. Family members on payroll (also share some of these same benefits.)Brought a marketing firm here to sell the BRAND, which the church is paying for. And a really big issue: Clergy get a different tax structure than us mere mortals. Clergy get a lot of tax breaks!!!! This enables "their" money to go alot further than our dollar. So when he says "he is paying for his house", maybe he should mention all of the above info into the equation just to give an "entire" picture. Do any of you who are not clergy get these breaks?!!!<BR/><BR/>Another shocker, If you believe tithing was an Old Testament LAW, and not a COMMAND or New Testament law. And therefore not applicable to believers in the NT, then you are of satan!!! Give me a break. It is always beneficial for preachers to preach this. Putting people under the law again helps the budget. I find this guilt and fear trip interesting, especially coming from millionares that have accepted all of these perks, and answered NO questions about them. What you do with 10% of your money(before taxes) is their business. You are to give it to the church with NO accountability. But what they do with their money is their business. He did mention tithing to the church. Great but how much more does he get back in these "blessings"? Plus, (I don't know if this is still the practice) if you or a relative die, and a preacher "holds"(?) the funeral you pay them. This is not required, I understand, but expected. Same for weddings.<BR/><BR/>Please do not misunderstand, I believe in giving to the church, supporting the pastor (reasonably) not draining money off of people that can't make it on a daily basis, by calling them satan if they can't or don't believe in giving 10% of their income to the church!!! The economy today is well out of reach of many people. Some must choose betweem food and medicine, health care etc., and here is some millionaire calling them satan if they don't believe in giving 10% to the church!! APPALLING!! And, who is legalistic here? I am very sorry (truly) but many churches today are just like country clubs. You pay dues to belong. Not all churches and not all preachers are millionaires. There are many Godly men doing Gods work under very difficult circumstances. God bless them!! I doubt you would hear yesterday's sermon from any of them!!!<BR/><BR/>I must ask another question: except in the invitation where was the name of JESUS mentioned? Where was sin mentioned accept in the comments on tithing (misapplied).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62928701265285787112008-06-23T11:55:00.000-04:002008-06-23T11:55:00.000-04:00rm you still do not get it. Brunson will not lis...rm <BR/><BR/>you still do not get it. Brunson will not listen. You think people are not talking to him? They are, he will not change. PERIOD! He is on his PURPOSE DRIVEN mission and he is not looking back. I know you are hurt rm we too are in pain. FBCJ members are continuing to read WATCHDOG and they will decide what to ask the pastor. We have talked to him.<BR/><BR/>Brunson is still not preaching the GOSPEL. Week 4 and only a one minute mention of how to be saved. You would think with a budget of 14 million we would be just a little bit more concered about the lost in the church. Mac we are not going away and neither is the Holy Spirit. He knows how much time you spend teaching about,Jesus, gospel and doctrine. <BR/><BR/>You won't turn this PURPOSE DRIVEN apostacy around for us. Will you turn it around for Jesus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69328727262591394642008-06-23T10:55:00.000-04:002008-06-23T10:55:00.000-04:00If you give 10% to a church and you save $25 per w...If you give 10% to a church and you save $25 per week this is what you give and save annually:<BR/>Salary 10% $25 week<BR/><BR/>$30,000 $3000 $1200<BR/> 40,000 4000 1200<BR/> 50,000 5000 1200<BR/> 60,000 6000 1200<BR/> 70,000 7000 1200<BR/> 80,000 8000 1200<BR/> 90,000 9000 1200<BR/>100,000 10000 1200<BR/> That $1200 you save may get you an air-conditioner for your car, braces for your child, engine tuned and some tires, fix up some housing problem, pay medical and dental for three months premium on you and your wife's health insurance. But each of these is only available once per year according to this savings plan. When you work for a living you have to pay for your car and gas, life insurance, health insurance, your house, and taxes.<BR/><BR/>Most people are not like clergy you get home, car, insurance,taxes, and health paid by church. Someone who looks after his/her family needs far more than $25 per week. Thats enough to buy 6 gallons of gas which will take you about 3 days or less to burn out going to and from work. Hardly in this economy will an emergency fund of $1000 last after just one disaster. You, I, and everyone else know that.<BR/><BR/>Some people live in a dream world. This concept of everyone having to save $25 per week is not even rational. It's different for each person, family and it also depends on their monthly income. If you are on Social Security of $600-900 per month living in an apartment or your own home just meeting monthly expenses(and a lot are)Florida has more seniors than any other state you can forget this savings plan or the emergency fund...it ain't going to happen especially when a disaster occurs. GET REAL...YOU HAD BETTER HAVE A CREDIT CARD(WHICH YOU WILL HAVE DIFFICULTY PAYING FOR) OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE CALLING ON THE GOVERNMENT FOR HELP...BUT HELP WON'T COME. YOU WILL DO WITHOUT UNLESS YOU LIVE IN IRAQ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-989366176424599742008-06-23T10:47:00.000-04:002008-06-23T10:47:00.000-04:00I don't want to offend anyone but let me remind yo...I don't want to offend anyone but let me remind you again folks that noone in leadership at your church is going to pay a whit of attention to you as long as you remain anonymous.<BR/><BR/>I just don't understand how you can say the things you are saying and not be willing to stand up and take credit for it. Anyone can take a pot shot from the bleachers as long as noone knows who they are. <BR/><BR/>If you really want to get answers then be willing to come out in the open and meet publicly and/or privately with your church leadership. I think they will take you up on your offer if you are willing to do so. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise, a lot of what I am reading on here these days isn't doing anyone any good and sure isn't enhancing your church and her ministries.RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10769726517498571207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72574455447539568802008-06-23T09:15:00.000-04:002008-06-23T09:15:00.000-04:00Missed you at Starbucks.It is ok, I will put the $...Missed you at Starbucks.<BR/>It is ok, I will put the $4.82 in a mutual fund at 12% and in 25 years I hope to get my daughter a wedding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39261886810170878882008-06-23T02:18:00.000-04:002008-06-23T02:18:00.000-04:00Great passage Bigbird!I fail to mention that the O...Great passage Bigbird!I fail to mention that the Old Testamant saints(Israel)were also plagued by these greedy,self absorbed charlatans.We have not seen anything yet.This is only the beginning it only gets worse and worse[2Tim.3:13].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27929621320071216752008-06-23T01:39:00.000-04:002008-06-23T01:39:00.000-04:00Isaiah 56:10-12 His watchmen are blind: they are a...Isaiah 56:10-12 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, everyone for his own gain, from his quarter. Come ye, say they, and I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and tomorrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant. <BR/>This sums up what is happening to our church. I used to think we were a Philadelphian Church in a Laiodicean Church Age. I am not so sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86231555958600752012008-06-23T00:27:00.000-04:002008-06-23T00:27:00.000-04:00To Anon June 22,2008 10:01pm. And I don't recall s...To Anon June 22,2008 10:01pm. And I don't recall scrpiture revealing that Paul was secretive about finances,hiding land deals(That got Ananias killed Acts 5:1-3),manipulating scripture(Tithing,et.al),abusive and condesending attitude towards his fellow Christians,preaching history and not Jesus[1Cor.2:1-2]. Again Watchdog you are smart to conceal your identity because these types of men are vengeful[cf.The Pharisees].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3405628495210537592008-06-22T22:01:00.000-04:002008-06-22T22:01:00.000-04:00IT IS WRITTEN said... To all of YOU who are critic...IT IS WRITTEN said... <BR/>To all of YOU who are critical of the genuine concerns of Watchdog and others,I again reminded you that every book in the New Testament with the exception of a couple deal with and warn repeatedly of deception in the church,perpetrated secretly by un-principled men[Acts 20:30-31].Now if The Apostle Paul dealt with deception in the first century church,what makes you think that somehow two thousands years later they have somehow disappeared.DOES WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING BRING ANYTHING TO MIND[Matt.7:15;Acts 20:29].<BR/><BR/>Somehow I don't remember Paul doing what he did anonymouslyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58832391480679457162008-06-22T20:19:00.000-04:002008-06-22T20:19:00.000-04:00To all of YOU who are critical of the genuine conc...To all of YOU who are critical of the genuine concerns of Watchdog and others,I again reminded you that every book in the New Testament with the exception of a couple deal with and warn repeatedly of deception in the church,perpetrated secretly by un-principled men[Acts 20:30-31].Now if The Apostle Paul dealt with deception in the first century church,what makes you think that somehow two thousands years later they have somehow disappeared.DOES WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING BRING ANYTHING TO MIND[Matt.7:15;Acts 20:29].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71229454016173423492008-06-22T20:04:00.000-04:002008-06-22T20:04:00.000-04:00Maybe the Collins are taking care of them (the Shi...Maybe the Collins are taking care of them (the Shields)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58381657682991812032008-06-22T19:57:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:57:00.000-04:00I missed the point of the Shields' follow-up testi...I missed the point of the Shields' follow-up testimony. So he lost his job just a few months after the testimony...but what has transpired in the year since? Why not tell us what has happened in their lives since that point 1 year ago, if you're going to bring them to the stage again?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29500440855166476712008-06-22T19:53:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:53:00.000-04:00I will be at Starbucks on Philips Hwy. Monday 6/23...I will be at Starbucks on Philips Hwy. Monday 6/23/08 8:30am The coffee is on me.<BR/>I will tell you my name when you tell me yours, it will be like a cheesy movie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71778207766089952542008-06-22T19:45:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:45:00.000-04:00Its even easier to cast stones at a blogger ANONYM...Its even easier to cast stones at a blogger ANONYMOUSLY like you are doing. What is your name? Stop criticing a blogger raising real issues at his church anonymously, when you come here to criticize the person anonymously.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51061524741921232032008-06-22T19:42:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:42:00.000-04:00It is easy to cast stones from an anonymous blog.It is easy to cast stones from an anonymous blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3585284817622131442008-06-22T19:35:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:35:00.000-04:00People tell us bloggers to "let God deal with Mac....People tell us bloggers to "let God deal with Mac." I agree. Let's also let "God" provide the funds for the budget, not you and I. (or J.D. Collins) If we can trust God to handle abuses at our church, let's also trust God to finance Mac's vision without taking wages from the sheep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87185353162699737732008-06-22T19:31:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:31:00.000-04:00Congregation - the man has no integrity to speak t...Congregation - the man has no integrity to speak to us about giving and tithing. Why? Because he has taken hundreds of thousands from our church and its members. That is like me saying, "hey give me $300K and I will donate $15,000 to missions and another $30K to the church. You give it to me, then I stand up and brag about how much I have given (15% of my income) to the church. I don't even tell you that on top of that a member gave me land worth $307K. SICKENING! <BR/><BR/>Remember, he was GIVEN $307K by J.D. Collins three weeks after he arrived! THAT IS FACT! So, until he donates that amount to our church and its ministries, the man "is robbing God" and is not in fact giving even one dime to our church. (Not to mention the hundreds of thousands he and his family are taking EVERY year.)<BR/><BR/>As long as you keep blindly giving, he will keep on spending. And he had the gall to criticize the government that provides for our defense, police, firemen, schools, roads, etc. Saying they need to get spending under control. This guy has between 12 and 18 million per year to use and yet he keeps asking for money! WAKE UP! Quit robbing God by giving to FBC JAX. If any PREACHER tells you different he is "doing the work of SATAN!" Make him do what Vines and Lindsay always told you to do: Check it against the scripture!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72307053873801168882008-06-22T19:28:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:28:00.000-04:00Yes indeed, Mac did. He said that anyone who would...Yes indeed, Mac did. He said that anyone who would cast doubt on the Christian's responsibility to tithe is doing the work of Satan. I heard it. <BR/><BR/>And I heard Mac lie: "I'm paying for that house." (his million dollar home).<BR/><BR/>Well, that is very Clintonesque: it depends on what you mean by "house"...if you mean, the physical structure and not the land, OK. But usually we refer to our "house" as the lot and the home. And therefore he is NOT paying for it. He was given it by a generous member, to the tune of $307,000. So Mac instead of telling the truth, wishes to deceive and lie.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13102865601158258872008-06-22T19:15:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:15:00.000-04:00Did Dr.Mac really say that anyone not teaching tit...Did Dr.Mac really say that anyone not teaching tithing was doing the work of Satan? If he did then I'd better warn Dr.John MacAuthur Jr.that he's on his way to Hell for teaching that the New Testament Church is not under the tithe; And God knows that Dr.Brunson is far better theologian than Dr.MacAurthur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15153588040604201102008-06-22T19:12:00.000-04:002008-06-22T19:12:00.000-04:00Readers: Mac said to pay off your debts and start...Readers: Mac said to pay off your debts and start saving and start investing for retirement, then you will have some "margin." He said that is the biblical way. On this I agree 100%. However, he did NOT tell you the most obvious part, which is to STOP blindly giving your money to FBC Jax (or any other so called lavish ministry) to use as the yes men please (without any accountability) and instead, you need to do with the money what he described. And then, guess what, you will be out of the bondage of debt, won't be paying interest, will get rid of that marital stress he spoke of, and as a result you will quickly have that margin he himself enjoys and then, like him, you can give biblically, which is cheerfully, not under compulsion and certainly not due to some OT verse in Malachi that was aimed at corrupt priests who were robbing God and robbing the nation of Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com