tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3274535320762685959..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Where Was Mac?FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39749308228197181272008-04-10T23:48:00.000-04:002008-04-10T23:48:00.000-04:00anon 10:55 p.m. - you ask another good question. ...anon 10:55 p.m. - you ask another good question. Maybe some of those that hit this site from the church will answer it. Or are they under a gag order by the mighty Team Brunson? No, that would make THEM cowards, wouldn't it. I don't want to accuse anyone of being cowards. Yes men for sure, but not cowards. Although, it would explain why his supporters almost never leave their names on their posts. Fear of reprisals are all over the staff and members and bloggers for some reason. Hmmm... Like we used to proudly say: "Come and See!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30606246700399436862008-04-10T22:55:00.000-04:002008-04-10T22:55:00.000-04:00Voice of Reason 9:46 regarding bylaws; you mention...Voice of Reason 9:46 regarding bylaws; you mention the fact that we do not yet know what is in FBC bylaws. Just as info, Maurilio Amorim's church in Nashville; Bellevue Community Church has its bylaws on their church website. Go to www.hopepark.com Go to About BBC click on Elders then click on Bylaws and documents. The print is bad and small but at least they are there. Why do we not publish ours?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39720758913799011002008-04-10T22:30:00.000-04:002008-04-10T22:30:00.000-04:00Voice of Reason: 9:46 Well put.Since questions are...Voice of Reason: 9:46 Well put.<BR/><BR/>Since questions are allowed but not answered; here's another to follow suit. Does Mac have some sort of advertising arrangement with Starbucks, as he promotes their brand quite often, or is this the A Group's territory?<BR/><BR/>Just wondering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74585457800827349472008-04-10T21:46:00.000-04:002008-04-10T21:46:00.000-04:00Voice of Reason says:anon April 10 at 8:00 a.m - y...Voice of Reason says:<BR/><BR/>anon April 10 at 8:00 a.m - your tone seems a little ugly, brother. We have said plenty good about the pastor here. You and others just seem to over react and jump to wrong conclusions whenever we do question anything. Example: Why did he not widely distribute the proposed by-law changes and discuss and explain them and give time for discussion prior to having a vote on them? That is just a question. Supporters like you respond to that simple question by calling us cowards, telling us to leave the church, asking who we are, questioning our evangelistic efforts, and on and on. Please, brother, lighten up and get into the real world. Questions are going to be asked. IF they are not answered, they will be blogged about. No problem. It does not mean we are slandering anyone or spreading lies.<BR/><BR/>P.S. - who is "you and Scooby?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42534000209455961372008-04-10T08:00:00.000-04:002008-04-10T08:00:00.000-04:00Ghost, Casper, whatever...."Very clever but I beli...Ghost, Casper, whatever....<BR/><BR/>"Very clever but I believe you are wrong...if Mac attended all 9 meetings we would be relieved that we have a Pastor who is fulfilling his PROMISES"<BR/><BR/>Bull. You have never said anything nice about our pastor on this blog. Why would you suddenly change your tune. Fact is, you and Scooby take any and all information you can dredge up and post it on this cyber-Enquirer. People don't come here because it's relevant. They come here for the slugfest and the gossip.<BR/><BR/>And as for all your shots at Robert, I doubt you are an expert on the evaluation of another person's intelligence level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85578047073842285012008-04-09T23:41:00.000-04:002008-04-09T23:41:00.000-04:00Usually there are only women in hair salons on sat...Usually there are only women in hair salons on saturdays. The men stay home and cut the grass and change the oil in the cars.<BR/><BR/>But my Jeep didn't an oil change so I went and got my hair trimmed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29477508949257021002008-04-09T23:24:00.000-04:002008-04-09T23:24:00.000-04:00"Actually I get my hair cut at a place called Hair..."Actually I get my hair cut at a place called Hair Cuttery on Argyle Forest Blvd over in Orange Park. A couple of weeks ago I went in there and the only people in there were ladies."<BR/><BR/>I'm sure there was a reason only women were there. Did you ever figure it out?<BR/><BR/>Jussayin'.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84816847485710417552008-04-09T23:06:00.000-04:002008-04-09T23:06:00.000-04:00Anon,Actually I get my hair cut at a place called ...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Actually I get my hair cut at a place called Hair Cuttery on Argyle Forest Blvd over in Orange Park. A couple of weeks ago I went in there and the only people in there were ladies. If one of them was cute Anon, I just may ask her name :)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Gel does work for me. For you I would recommend Rogaine, I hear it works for old bald men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45259998204042515412008-04-09T22:37:00.000-04:002008-04-09T22:37:00.000-04:00Robert - according to the WD, this "beauty shop" g...Robert - according to the WD, this "beauty shop" gets over 400 visits from all over the country every single day, including hits from city hall, FBC Jax, SWBTS, Dallas, Atlanta, Nashville, the Florida Baptist Convention, the Annuity Board, and several local prominent firms and businesses. So IMHO, the beauty shop analogy breaks down at that point. The local beauty shop does get so much attention does it? I believe Mac only wished it was a few ladies down at the shop talking. But we'll play along since Mac said it, so it must be true. That Mac is so "cute" sometimes with his little comments about people who dare question him.<BR/><BR/>And Robert, I don't think you or 100's of others make it a practice to stop in any beauty shops to see what the ladies are talking about do you? And certainly you don't go in asking the ladies for their names? Maybe you just ignore them like everyone else? <BR/><BR/>Hmmm...so maybe this blog is much, much more than a bunch of ladies down at the ole beauty shop?<BR/><BR/>Just a little off the top today, Robert. And a little gel if you don't mind. LOL, that Mac Brunson has such a way of spinning things with words doesn't good ole Mac.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3581720238647604912008-04-09T21:02:00.000-04:002008-04-09T21:02:00.000-04:00Ghost,First of all, you can run a search for me on...Ghost,<BR/><BR/>First of all, you can run a search for me on Facebook and I will appear. Now you won't be able to see my profile unless you are a friend of mine on facebook. So search me and then request me as a friend and we'll go from there. Secondly, if you want to get to know me come talk to me or email me. At church I sit on the bottom floor of the auditorium behind the main cameras if you'd like to talk. Hope this helps and hope to hear from you soon!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Business seems to be picking up in this beauty salon doesn't it? I'm thinking about going with a flat-top...think that will look fine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42245234793219167382008-04-09T18:03:00.000-04:002008-04-09T18:03:00.000-04:00To the anon that said...If Dr. Brunson went to all...To the anon that said...<BR/><BR/>If Dr. Brunson went to all 9 meetings, I think you would be complaining that he was spending too much time outside of the Church and involved in politics. <BR/><BR/>Very clever but I believe you are wrong...if Mac attended all 9 meetings we would be relieved that we have a Pastor who is fulfilling his PROMISES and not sitting on the Golf Course, touring the Mediteranean, riding around in his wife's Jaguar, or whatever else he likes to do in his free time. As the Pastor of our Church when he makes a commitment for himself, he makes that commitment on behalf of our entire church. When he doesn't fulfill the commitment he makes, then it is as if all of us did not fulfill that commitment. It is an honor for Mac to be asked to serve on that committee and for him to not fulfill his obligations is an embarassment. <BR/><BR/>And Robert Peeples....every time you make a post the intelligence level on this blog seems to go down, so can you please spend your time blogging on the Facebook group that you are a member of called "Mac Daddy Brunson Is the Man!" I hear there is a new discussion up debating which flavor of Kool Aid is best. Also, just a note of humor for you Watchdog...Robert Peeples likes to log on here every week and call you a coward, but he just recently took himself off of Facebook search because he doesn't want to be found. Does that make him a coward too?Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17901919314077124630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87303191724215884472008-04-09T12:55:00.000-04:002008-04-09T12:55:00.000-04:00To anonymous of 11:47I promise you, I am another r...To anonymous of 11:47<BR/><BR/>I promise you, I am another real person, I am not Watchdog. Its just that "great minds run together". What seems not to be getting through is: there are many of us less than happy about the state of the FBC ship. We are drowning in a sea of complacency.<BR/><BR/>When the ship has sunk the leaders will disavow their part in it. We bloggers keep trying to get answers. You say you have the answers. I have not seen them posted here!!! To truly dispel any doubts, Mac himself, needs to address the church on these matters of accountability raised in these blogs. Sooner or later its going to have be addressed by him, or this church will never be what it was or even the church it could be. Believe it or not, we love our church and truly want it to succeed.<BR/><BR/>We never had these problems before in 60 years, what has changed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62683176028930792982008-04-09T12:42:00.000-04:002008-04-09T12:42:00.000-04:00Anon 11:16 - I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculou...Anon 11:16 - I'm sorry, but that is just ridiculous. I'm certain you are referring to my cautioning Keith to not infer anything about Jim Whitmire's support of Mac unless he's personally spoken to Jim and knows him very closely. That's all. I'm not saying Jim is lying, I'm saying Jim appears to me to be a very loyal person, and I'm sure he is personal friends with Mac and who would expect him to say anything publicly about Mac. There are staff members who publicly support Mac, but are very concerned over what they see. So by seeing certain staff members there on staff "supporting" Mac I don't infer anything about their level of concern over Mac's leadership. That's all.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42393737112190610922008-04-09T12:32:00.000-04:002008-04-09T12:32:00.000-04:00Anon 11:47 - darn, I've been found out! I'm the o...Anon 11:47 - darn, I've been found out! I'm the one posting all of these to myself...but your words sure sound familiar to Anon 5:15 from 4/4 and Anon 11:28 on 4/7, so are you sure you're not posing as two Anons?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34811286968500995482008-04-09T11:47:00.000-04:002008-04-09T11:47:00.000-04:00Hey Watchdog, do you post under anonymous too, cau...Hey Watchdog, do you post under anonymous too, cause sometimes i swear its like I think you are posting support of your views your own self, you know what i mean? Cause the writing is the same, I mean, it sounds like the same person....you know what i mean? Like everytime i hear the word "land deal" in a post, I know you posted it.....just wondering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-133166121171360112008-04-09T11:28:00.000-04:002008-04-09T11:28:00.000-04:00Bellevue blogger:You spoke of praising Mac and why...Bellevue blogger:<BR/><BR/>You spoke of praising Mac and why don't we look for the good he has done. I have looked and looked but his ego is in the way. You just can't see past that. The only time I have seen him praise our church, or anyone in it, is right after they have given him MORE MONEY OR<BR/>HAVE NOT OPPOSED HIM IN A VOTE. (a given there will be no opposition).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78659034561229098372008-04-09T11:16:00.000-04:002008-04-09T11:16:00.000-04:00Jim Whitmire has done nothing but publicly support...Jim Whitmire has done nothing but publicly support our pastor. So unless you think he is lying, Dog, then he is telling the truth and both supports and loves our pastor.<BR/><BR/>Mr. Whitmire speaks publicly about his support of our pastor. He is not anonymous about his love for Jesus, our pastor and this church. That is what you call credibillity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16985059257035590802008-04-09T11:12:00.000-04:002008-04-09T11:12:00.000-04:00There are plenty of people with answers. The probl...There are plenty of people with answers. The problem is that once someone gives an answer, WD will want to know whether or not the information is valid. This will hold true especially if the information contradicts some of his claims. And eventually, he will want to know the source of the information. Most sources at this point will not want their names on this website given the treatment of the pastor and those whose names appear on his site.<BR/><BR/>If WD would back up his blog with his name, that would be a start. It would require that we begin to treat eachother with some level of civility. Or, he could make face to face arrangements with people who have answers. But that would, again, require that his identity be revealed, something he does not want to do.<BR/><BR/>But if you honestly have questions and simply want answers, I for one have recieved them from our church leaders. Of course, I did not assume that our pastor was a bad leader, greedy, ect. when I asked my questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89482852636344352172008-04-09T10:37:00.000-04:002008-04-09T10:37:00.000-04:00Can some of you reading this blog from FBC JAX ans...Can some of you reading this blog from FBC JAX answer Watchdog's questions?<BR/><BR/>Watchdog is just the messenger calling for accountability. If we could just get responsible people, or as the questions have been put to Brunson, his answers. Maybe we could "just all get along".<BR/><BR/>Thanks Watchdog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52947269531910796892008-04-09T10:31:00.000-04:002008-04-09T10:31:00.000-04:00Attn: April 8 10:04 p.m. and Bellevue commenter Ap...Attn: April 8 10:04 p.m. and Bellevue commenter April 8 12:42 a.m...<BR/><BR/>What you people don't understand is you don't get to run long term members out of the church because we ask questions of the newcomer preacher, who exhibits no direction and very little regard for the members. His proposals so far are less than stellar. A very troubling trait is his attitude. Its my way or the highway and you people just need to follow me.<BR/><BR/>Mac is not accountable about legitimate questions asked of him. His attitude is that he doesn't have to be accountable. Yet, he continues to take all of the money given to him by a trusting church. I personally think our church is extremely naive to continue this open checkbook policy. Please understand there wouldn't be a blog if there were accountabilty and more openess.<BR/><BR/>Why do you think long time members that have tithed, worked, prayed for, LOVED this church for years have to leave and hand over their church to someone else who's only been here for two years? We don't like what we see so far.<BR/><BR/>I John 3:14 We know we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren, he who loveth not his brother abideth in death.<BR/><BR/>We love our brothers in the church and hope they love us. The problems come in when one brother rides roughshod over the others and takes the INHERITANCE for himself.<BR/><BR/>Bellevue, I don't think as a Gaines supporter you have much to offer here. Didn't Mrs. Rogers have to leave your church????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82913459404350191542008-04-09T00:57:00.000-04:002008-04-09T00:57:00.000-04:00Keith - glad to know that the blogger police like ...Keith - glad to know that the blogger police like yourself are out there to make assumptions about one's motives in posting at various blogs. <BR/><BR/>Jim Whitmire is a source of stability at our church right now, I'm very thankful he is there. You're right, he has a ton of credibility...but unless you've spoken to Jim personally and know him very well, I would caution you in making assumptions about how much he supports Mac Brunson.<BR/><BR/>Glad to know you're one of the hundreds and hundreds of readers of this blog, we welcome your input here any time.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11255646274759471902008-04-09T00:42:00.000-04:002008-04-09T00:42:00.000-04:00FBC Jax Watchdog said...Come on Bellevue! Get on b...<I>FBC Jax Watchdog said...<BR/><BR/>Come on Bellevue! Get on board and follow Mac Brunson's lead here in Jax! Hire the A-Group, Mac's ace marketing firm from Nashville. The A-group does all the web design and artwork for our church, and other churches, as well as work for Calvin Klein and Tommy Bahama! I'm sure the A-Group would be able to tell your church publicity department that its not not a good idea to plagiarize scripture and attribute it to Steve Gaines.</I><BR/><BR/>Dog,<BR/><BR/>I'd like to believe that there are issues at your church, but this sad cry for attention and affirmation is not something that someone with a legitimate complaint would write. Do you need a hug too?<BR/><BR/>There's nothing wrong with advertising what your church is doing. The problem is when the church starts changing what they're doing so that they'll have something to advertise. Despite your written opinions, I'm not convinced FBC Jax is doing that. <BR/><BR/>A lot of eyes are on you, and if you continue to pander to such an emotionally unstable and contentious group as the anti-Bellevue blog you'll only lose credibility. <BR/><BR/>Jim Whitmire supports your pastor, and I'm inclined to agree with him based on his proven track record of integrity over an anonymous blogger. There's nothing like a lifetime of service to others to instill credibility, after all.<BR/><BR/>You haven't quite gotten to the point that you fly off the handle whenever Mac Brunson blows his nose, but you're getting there quite rapidly. If you'd like my advice (idealism, I know) you should create a thread about something good your pastor has done instead of exclusively focusing on the negative. That would distinguish you from the anti-Bellevue blog you seem to enjoy visiting.<BR/><BR/>But what do I know?<BR/><BR/>Best wishes,<BR/>Keith Solomon<BR/>(A Bellevue member)solomonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16233693177785852232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54312312120672478522008-04-08T22:57:00.000-04:002008-04-08T22:57:00.000-04:00Anon - I love my church too much to just up and le...Anon - I love my church too much to just up and leave. Sorry, you're going to have to tolerate me; unless of course Mac's discipline committee brings me before the church and I'm voted out.<BR/><BR/>Since you wanted to give me some advice, here's some for you.<BR/><BR/>Just stop coming HERE. Why does it bother you so much? Thing about it: No one is raising a stink on the church grounds, no banners are raised against Mac, no boos are heard - quite to the contrary, standing ovations are given, we're giving Mac a bonus check for the swell job he's doing...everything according to Mac is hunky dory as they say. So the only place you can tell something is wrong is when you type in your computer this website. Leave us alone, quit coming here. If we're just a few "women in a beauty shot" this site will die on the vine and life will go on and FBC Jax will be just fine. Now if I go to the church and start booing, or throwing tomatoes, or passing out fliers, or there's a group of picketers, yes, then jump on me and throw us out.<BR/><BR/>But go to any of the gazillion other websites BESIDES THIS ONE, and you won't have to put up with this "nonsense" here in this tiny corner of the blogosphere!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56320755922224121622008-04-08T22:44:00.000-04:002008-04-08T22:44:00.000-04:00anon - you are not the first to suggest: "Drink t...anon - you are not the first to suggest: "Drink the Kool-Aid or go someplace else." We are not going to do either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29705352124525990432008-04-08T22:04:00.000-04:002008-04-08T22:04:00.000-04:00I have a great idea, Watchdog, why don't you and y...I have a great idea, Watchdog, why don't you and your "litter" of supporters start your own church. That way things would all be run to your likeing!! Yes, you were probably here before the Brunson's, but that is no reason for you to continue to stay in an atmosphere that you don't agree with. There are plenty of other places that you could go. We are supposed to attend church where we feel the Lord speaking to us the most through the teaching and preaching, and agree with the way things are run. You sir, obviously don't agree with the direction that our church is going.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com