tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3445411046181241759..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Smyrl's Sermon on 3 JohnFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49125858702636125312009-02-06T12:31:00.000-05:002009-02-06T12:31:00.000-05:00Anon 8:20..Get your facts straight. It was not the...Anon 8:20..Get your facts straight. It was not the throwing of the spear. It was the fact that Saul disobeyed God in not putting all the witches to death and going to one that led to his downfall and ultimate death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42344434783226522792009-02-06T10:16:00.000-05:002009-02-06T10:16:00.000-05:00Qoute::"I found your website by accident - I am ve...Qoute::"I found your website by accident - I am very sorry that I did. You, FBC Watchdog are not upholding the standards of Jesus, You are tearing apart His Bride with YOUR deceitfulness and hardness of heart"...WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!..ANON 8:20pm..Please feel free to mix in something COHERENT when and if you respond again.it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60420796606393304042009-02-06T10:13:00.000-05:002009-02-06T10:13:00.000-05:00Anon. 8:20..... Well, we know what happened to Sau...Anon. 8:20..... Well, we know what happened to Saul. Now as to the abuses at FBCJ, and the "celebrity, money making preachers" abounding today. Guess what their "agenda" is? Right ....celebrity and money. There is an expression that ignorance is bliss. I would counter that ignorance is STUPID. The Lord said.."I would not have you ignorant brethren". In the last days, man (and woman) will believe a lie. If celebrity, money making preachers and their "enablers", can just keep enough people in "ignorance" then they can keep themselves in "clover". What institution do you think has the most to lose if people know too much about them? What institution has the devil feared in the past. Right, God called REAL preachers that preached the Gospel and the shed Blood of Jesus Christ!!! So, what institution do you think the devil would TRY to destroy. What would he try to counterfeit? What is our (Christians) job? Tell people the truth!!!!! Watchdog IS showing us the EVIDENCE of abuses. We determine the validity of such evidence. So far the evidence is 100% accurate. If he made accusations without the evidence then there would be a problem. But he has presented EVIDENCE, sometimes in the preachers own voice.....So remember this...When people have their head in the sand, their posterior is in the air. And that is a much larger target.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-92041169198726142942009-02-06T10:00:00.000-05:002009-02-06T10:00:00.000-05:00"leader[s] from hell" resistersWatchdog Rick Warre..."leader[s] from hell" resisters<BR/><BR/>Watchdog Rick Warren thinks you are an evil person.<BR/><BR/>Here is a past report about resisters of the Purpose Driven movement. Readers like Anon 8:20 classify people who expose PD leader for what they are and do as evil people. Not a part of the bride of Christ. <BR/><BR/>Mac Brunson is like Anon 8:20 in that they twist scripture. I do remember David, in all of his great qualities, was still a murderer. Mac and Rick think they can do anything they want; after all look what David did and didn't God still love him? <BR/><BR/>I guess we are just evil people to say anything against liers. They want us to die or leave.<BR/><BR/>http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/resistersdie orleave.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57993054228885605142009-02-06T09:55:00.000-05:002009-02-06T09:55:00.000-05:00Anon 8:20. Do you attend FBC? Have you ever been t...Anon 8:20. Do you attend FBC? Have you ever been there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83529336069606182052009-02-06T09:11:00.000-05:002009-02-06T09:11:00.000-05:00Anonymous 8:20..Please spell out the deceit. WD ha...Anonymous 8:20..Please spell out the deceit. WD has listed what he believes are inconsistencies by a pastor shepherding the flock. Would you list the deceits one by one so we can see your points?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47176454769634824672009-02-06T09:02:00.000-05:002009-02-06T09:02:00.000-05:00The Watchdog is "God's Man." God called him to bl...The Watchdog is "God's Man." God called him to blog. Proof: he has suffered persecution, he has been attacked, and he has not gained financially one cent for his ministry. Now, if he were receiving large gifts, drawing a huge salary, taking your money with no accountability, putting his family on staff, yelling at you each week, asking you for millions of dollars and lying and slandering about Wade Burleson, Sheri Klouda and others, than we might clearly see that he is NOT really God's man. But as it is, my spiritual discernment tells me that the WD IS God's man and people that do the things above are NOT! Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60634874024490528482009-02-06T08:58:00.000-05:002009-02-06T08:58:00.000-05:00anon 8:20 - Let's see: Team Brunson is raping and ...anon 8:20 - Let's see: Team Brunson is raping and pillaging the church that was handed over to them, building family and personal wealth, private brand building of Team Brunson, and sheep stealing via million dollar marketing and promotion via TV ads and the A-group....and the WD is blogging about it. So which of the above things really bothers YOU the most? Nothing Mac Brunson has done. You are ONLY concerned with the blogging part?<BR/><BR/>This makes no sense to me. But it makes the blog even more necessary that there are people like you, thousands like you, who follow blindly and give blindly. <BR/><BR/>Without you, these millionaire rock star celebrity preachers and their families would have to do real ministry and actually sacrifice to serve the humble Lord Jesus. You finance their arrogance and programs. And yet you are upset with one solitary blogger. Amazing stupidity. Which is what Brunson and Smyrl captilize on. They say they know you can't read critically, yet they are scared you will read this blog and your eyes will be opened, they are afraid giving will drop, and so they preach against gossip and form discipline committees. <BR/><BR/>Their focus is not on reaching the lost. It is on keeping generous Christians blinded to their fleecing. It is on themselves and what they are doing. As long as there are people like you, people who will ignore their antics and yet focus on a blogger, people who will keep giving them their dollars, then these men will continue to operate with no accountability or transparency.<BR/><BR/>Come quickly, Lord Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74794585467140512092009-02-06T08:28:00.000-05:002009-02-06T08:28:00.000-05:00Anonymous 8:20. Have you read any of the facts of ...Anonymous 8:20. Have you read any of the facts of this case. They speak for themselves. Are the abuses which Watchdog list important enough for you or should they just be swept under the rug of "he's Gods man". Have some spiritual discernment on what Watchdog has brought to everyones attention rather than just saying he is in need of repentance!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18871767914636484862009-02-06T08:25:00.000-05:002009-02-06T08:25:00.000-05:00Anonymous 8:20. Can you explain what you mean by "...Anonymous 8:20. Can you explain what you mean by "cultural preference rather than a bibilical mandate" more specifically? I would like to read in the scriptures exactly what you are trying to say. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18586933840961332652009-02-05T20:39:00.000-05:002009-02-05T20:39:00.000-05:00Anon 8:20You did not just happen upon this blog by...Anon 8:20<BR/><BR/>You did not just happen upon this blog by accident; you deliberately want us to believe you truly want the best for FBCJ, you would not know the situation from an "accidental" vantage. <BR/><BR/>Also, do not post with CAPS. Shows your anger at the Watchdog trying to expose injustices and wrong-doings you supposedly would not have knowledge of without in-depth and ongoing insight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74404153317032373502009-02-05T20:28:00.000-05:002009-02-05T20:28:00.000-05:00I hope you will repent of bringing a judgmental an...I hope you will repent of bringing a judgmental and pharisaical spirit to this blog.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44847479067141900202009-02-05T20:20:00.000-05:002009-02-05T20:20:00.000-05:00I found your website by accident - I am very sorry...I found your website by accident - I am very sorry that I did. You, FBC Watchdog are not upholding the standards of Jesus, You are tearing apart His Bride with YOUR deceitfulness and hardness of heart.<BR/><BR/>It is people like you who are destroying the mission of Jesus in America. I know that you believe that you are in the right, sir, but I suggest that you<BR/><BR/>REPENT! REPENT OF YOUR BLINDNESS - YOUR HARDNESS OF HEART. REPENT FOR TEARING APART THAT WHICH GOD WILL USE FOR HIS GLORY. <BR/><BR/>It seems to me that you, sir, have believed the lie. You believe that you are upholding God's will but seem to have roots in that you don't agree with the direction of the church. I bet if we could see deep enough we would find that much of your problem has to do with cultural preference over biblical mandate. <BR/><BR/>Your means of doing that is by tearing down a man called by God. I recall David passing up the opportunity to kill Saul because, even though Saul was no longer the chosen King of Israel, David knew that Saul was God's anointed. David respected the king after the king no longer deserved respect (he threw a spear at David). How is your situation more special than David's?<BR/><BR/>Watchdog, I hope that you will repent of bringing a pharisaical spirit into the family of FBC Jax. Your church deserves better than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59674844650258213502009-02-05T18:32:00.000-05:002009-02-05T18:32:00.000-05:00My bible says that those who want the preeminence ...My bible says that those who want the preeminence while they may be first down here on earth they could be last in Heaven. Those that are last down on earth will be first in Heaven. Take your pick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91776918446774400842009-02-05T18:30:00.000-05:002009-02-05T18:30:00.000-05:00Anytime a church takes the position of throwing me...Anytime a church takes the position of throwing members out because they disagree with whomever you no longer have a church....you have a CULT!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4603160267332393492009-02-05T18:28:00.000-05:002009-02-05T18:28:00.000-05:00Again, same question. How many have truly been sav...Again, same question. How many have truly been saved from the satellite ministry. How many have joined the church?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79447021899740485342009-02-05T18:01:00.000-05:002009-02-05T18:01:00.000-05:00There appears to be NO Spiritual Discernment evide...There appears to be NO Spiritual Discernment evident at FBCJ. None with the people, none with the leadership. The people did not bring about the problems at FBCJ, but they have allowed them to continue. The problems did not exist largely, until present leadership took over. This was a Christ centered church (during the Lindsay era), until it was taken over by "special interest". As to preachers, preaching about exactly what they do, I have watched them do that for years. Why do you think they are such "authorities"?<BR/>Sometimes God lets people have what they want. This may be the case at FBCJ. If the Spiritual Discernment is not there, and the people are too weak to stand for anything, then don't be suprised at what you get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61645400845912966582009-02-05T16:13:00.000-05:002009-02-05T16:13:00.000-05:00WD said..."Just last week at the South Campus .......WD said..."Just last week at the South Campus ...."<BR/><BR/>How is the new satellite location? Isn't it at a school cafeteria?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66469111171912146012009-02-05T15:43:00.000-05:002009-02-05T15:43:00.000-05:00Christa Brown of Stop Baptist Predators has a new ...Christa Brown of <I>Stop Baptist Predators</I> has a new post:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2009/02/bully-bylaws.html" REL="nofollow">Bully Bylaws</A><BR/><BR/><I>Leaders at First Baptist Church of Jacksonville pushed through some bylaws that institute a process for any member who has a “grievance” against the church, its pastor or staff. As reported on a watchdog blog, the process involves (1) Matthew 18 reconciliation, followed by (2) arbitration with the Florida Baptist Convention.<BR/><BR/>But that’s not all. After setting up this process, the FBC-Jax leaders put on their steel-toe boots and delivered this kicker of a clause:<BR/>"By joining this Church, all members agree that biblical conciliation efforts shall provide the sole remedy for any dispute arising against the Church. All members waive the right to file any legal action against the Church in a civil court or agency."</I>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11093616656169556632009-02-05T14:59:00.000-05:002009-02-05T14:59:00.000-05:00I am just apalled at how Mac and Jim preach on the...I am just apalled at how Mac and Jim preach on the very same things that they themselves do. It used to be just Mac, but now Jim is doing the very same.<BR/><BR/>He defines "gossip" as any talk or written word that calls into question the integrity of another Christian. But that is precisely what Smyrl does. That is precisely what Deb Brunson did in staff meetings calling into question the integrity of Wade Burleson. Its precisely what Mac did with Sheri Klouda last year saying she admitted her lawsuit against Patterson was "wrong". <BR/><BR/>Just last week at the South Campus Mac again went after John Maxwell (not using his name, but referring to a very famous former preacher who left the ministry to become a motivational speaker - gee, I wonder who that is)...and Mac declares that this man was going against God's call to preach. Mac said "God called that boy to preach" and not be a motivational speaker. Mac preceded this by saying "I probably shouldn't say this, but...." So that is Mac calling into question this man's motives and integrity - that he went against God's call to preach. Maybe the man realized God did NOT call him to preach any longer, and thus he is in God's will by NOT preaching!! But no, Mac knows all, he can determine what God's call is on John Maxwell. And he knows Sheri Klouda's thoughts on her own lawsuit...he used facts given to him by Patterson's lawyers and repeated them to his congregation, and they turned out to be FALSE.<BR/><BR/>Mac stood before the students at SWBTS and Criswell College last year and he called into question the integrity of Mrs. Truett and Mrs. Criswell. Isn't that gossip, Jim?<BR/><BR/>So who is the gossiper, Jim? Who is being divisive, Jim? Who is calling into question the integrity of other Christians, Jim? Am I a gossiper right now, by calling into question your integrity by calling into someone else's integrity even though you preach that we shouldn't listen to people who call into question someone's integrity? <BR/><BR/>Love this "Theology Driven" ministry.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75051333587911199292009-02-05T13:44:00.000-05:002009-02-05T13:44:00.000-05:00Does Anyone know why the FBC Website, for prayer s...Does Anyone know why the FBC Website, for prayer sheet, has not been updated since January 21,2009?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39311922298663740512009-02-05T12:07:00.000-05:002009-02-05T12:07:00.000-05:00There has to be accountability. Either here on ear...There has to be accountability. Either here on earth or in heaven...if we fail to remove those that are bad leaders or at least attempt to show them they are the problem well at least we are not at fault. People are afraid to confront their leaders today for all types of reason. Being branded a troublemaker, getting a raise, fired, or not being part of the in crowd, etc.<BR/><BR/>A great leader is one that can appreciate open opinions about his/her policies and practices. A bad leader is one that believes he/she is always right and not to be questioned. This type of person will always destroy what good may have been possible without them.<BR/><BR/>The bible is clear on Diotrephes..he was the leader...he was the one who decided who could attend church and who could not.He also pit one member against another... John said not to follow that which is evil but that which is good and named Devetrius as one who was good in the 12th verse in order to contrast the two individuals. Note John had written another letter explaining his position. John was the Watchdog in this situation. He did not like what was transpiring in the church and intended on doing something about it. What he intended was probably in that missing letter.<BR/><BR/>We all make mistakes, it takes a big man to admit he was wrong. When he doesn't he remains a "little" man. And continues to ruin everything he touches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29559106211844779202009-02-05T10:53:00.000-05:002009-02-05T10:53:00.000-05:00Amen.Good one, WD. You turned the tables on Mac an...Amen.<BR/><BR/>Good one, WD. You turned the tables on Mac and Jim.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.com