tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3604378974864903645..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Mac Brunson Issues Blanket Apology to Church and to Viewers on Internet for Anything He's Ever Said That Offended ThemFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89917707917271133842011-12-12T17:44:04.407-05:002011-12-12T17:44:04.407-05:00at least your apology made me giggle :) ...at least your apology made me giggle :) ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71054194442521039742011-12-06T09:24:49.125-05:002011-12-06T09:24:49.125-05:00First of all, the Holy Spirit convicts us of speci...First of all, the Holy Spirit convicts us of specifics so we can not only learn and repent but go to those offended with specifics .<br /><br />So Mac issues a blanket apology....for saying what, exactly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62646633898477164772011-12-05T18:49:09.191-05:002011-12-05T18:49:09.191-05:00What is wrong with that apology Watchdog..he actua...What is wrong with that apology Watchdog..he actually sounds like he means it,...gosh watchdog, YOU need to be careful when you make fun of someone apologizing and I think that IS in the Bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12523960082283219312011-12-05T16:00:52.649-05:002011-12-05T16:00:52.649-05:00Tobie Tyler:
Great Post! As you stated we agre...Tobie Tyler: <br /><br /> Great Post! As you stated we agree:<br /><br />"Go 'Dog...report, report, report...<br />some of us have eyes that are wide open!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73530796791117051732011-12-04T07:19:13.665-05:002011-12-04T07:19:13.665-05:00Robert, I think the real question is why would the...Robert, I think the real question is why would the pastor refuse attempts to reconcile a bad situation? He had the opportunity to do so twice in a Biblical manner at the request of other Christians who were trying to see things handled according to Matt 18. Prior to those requests the pastor could have claimed he didn't know who it was that he needed to attempt reconciliation with. So we know that he flat out refused to try and reconcile with a brother. That refusal flies in the face of scripture. Don't get all immature and say it wasn't his responsibility . To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, it is sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31822644502032857882011-12-03T23:11:10.685-05:002011-12-03T23:11:10.685-05:00Listen you bunch of kool-aid guzzling Brunsonites....Listen you bunch of kool-aid guzzling Brunsonites...this blog is not about hate, contains no hate and is only in existance to inform you mindless people of what is really going on at FBC Jax. Ok...defend your "Pastor" and defend your church...I get it. Hey, how about standing up for the truth?? What a novel idea...the truth coming from your church! NEWS FLASH...the truth hasn't been coming out of FBC Jax for about, hmmmm...almost 5 years now...<br /><br />Defend someone worth defending!!! It sickens me what has happened downtown...Dr. Lindsay is rolling over in his grave! The 'Dog is just being vigilant in saying what most of the clueless people at FBC can't see or won't say...in fear of the circumstances that will arise if they do!! He's paid his price...holy crap...we're just talking about a CHURCH right?? You'd think someone betrayed America the way these downtown thugs act!!<br /><br />Go 'Dog...report, report, report...<br />some of us have eyes that are wide open!Tobie Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07503670265272897541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70872751952092889112011-12-03T22:04:06.247-05:002011-12-03T22:04:06.247-05:00I would like to apologize IF I offend anyone by sa...I would like to apologize IF I offend anyone by saying that R.P. and certain other commenters on this blog can't think past their nose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73289462709477651182011-12-03T17:04:15.028-05:002011-12-03T17:04:15.028-05:00For once there is some truth being said by the pos...For once there is some truth being said by the posters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78526508315524445352011-12-03T14:05:58.942-05:002011-12-03T14:05:58.942-05:00Anon,
Why would Pastor Brunson say yes to a meeti...Anon,<br /><br />Why would Pastor Brunson say yes to a meeting with Tom set up by Ms. Thigpen? <br /><br />Ms. Thigpen had nothing to do with the situation. It was Tom who should have went to Pastor Brunson himself in the first place to air out his grievances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16809978773323701182011-12-03T13:29:21.694-05:002011-12-03T13:29:21.694-05:00WD, my friend. I apperciate all you have done to ...WD, my friend. I apperciate all you have done to make light the deeds of the corporate church that are not congruent with Abba's heart. Control, power, egos, etc. This has been a part of the Church since its early beginnings. It will remain with us. With all the brokenness in the Church, it is no wonder the church (note little "c") uses western marketing and business models to reach people. Doesn't work. But, it is all they know.<br /><br />Now to the apology. Anyone who teaches in the area of relationships and specifically, the area of forgiveness would agree that true forgiveness names its sin and seeks to make things right with the offended. The Scriptures DO NOT teach make an apology but to seek forgivness. These are not the same. ("Sorry is as sorry does." (Sally fields in Forrest Gump).<br />I believe Mac to be a good man with good intentions. I also believe he, like Joel Gregory wrote in his book, Too great A Temptation, that these men (Joel included himself) seek power and prestige rather than ministry at their level).<br />Was Mac's "apology" genuine? Who knows? He and Abba does. However, an "apooogy" is to name the offense to the Offended, and seek restitution. This is and always will be the biblical model for seeking forgiveness (1 Cor. 7:10) Godly sorrow leads to repentance. Where there is no godly sorry, there is no true repentance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42549362206033884962011-12-03T09:42:15.327-05:002011-12-03T09:42:15.327-05:00I am very suspicious of a man who issues an apolog...I am very suspicious of a man who issues an apology while the whole time he is pointing and wagging his index finger. That makes it look like a forced apology that he didn't want to give.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37346768953596629822011-12-03T09:37:06.854-05:002011-12-03T09:37:06.854-05:00If I heard my pastor do a blanket apology, I'd...If I heard my pastor do a blanket apology, I'd simply wonder what the secrets were. I'd figure some people here know the issue he's talking about, and the rest of us are in the dark. I've never liked this idea of "secrets" in church, because it seems to go against what church is supposed to be about-open honesty, being straightforward, truly not wanting to hurt others, kindness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75013194887883721102011-12-03T09:17:11.466-05:002011-12-03T09:17:11.466-05:00"Anon 10:43 - yes I make light of hi apology ..."Anon 10:43 - yes I make light of hi apology because it is absurd. We know when we say offensive things. If he is sincere why not mention specifically what he is talking about? It sounds like other public figures who put their foot in their mouth when making public statements and then issue a shallow "if what I said offended someone I'm sorry" . That is not an apology it is a CYA move. Sorry but I don't buy it and he shouldn't expect people to buy it because it sounds as shallow as my apology in this post."<br /><br />Of course you don't take his apology at its worth because you have nothing but hate in your heart for the guy and are content with that hate. This blog is nothing but hate and that's all it has ever been or will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2169538533943820932011-12-03T01:01:18.402-05:002011-12-03T01:01:18.402-05:00Advice for Mac:
"He that troubles his own ho...Advice for Mac:<br /><br />"He that troubles his own house shall inherit the wind, and a fool shall be a servant to the wise of heart."<br /><br />Proverbs 11:29Katienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2185882110929241552011-12-03T00:47:14.470-05:002011-12-03T00:47:14.470-05:00Anonymous 10:43, didn't take you long to chime...Anonymous 10:43, didn't take you long to chime in, did it?<br /><br />As far as the apology, there is no ownership in it. I know it may not be appropriate to list out every single moment, but at least mention one that would affect most of the people he is talking to. <br /><br />An apology followed up with an excuse is still not an apology. You speak too much? How about cutting back on those speaking engagements to spend more time shepherding your flock, then maybe you will not say "goofy" things.<br /><br />"I'm sorry if". <br />Translation = <br />I don't know if I have offended anyone, but just in case, here is an apology. He is either so shielded from his flock, or doesn't care enough (due to being busy) that he may not really know what he has done, but he knows he messed up somewhere.Brunsons private librarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60923814697512271462011-12-03T00:01:23.398-05:002011-12-03T00:01:23.398-05:00Robert, I believe Tiffany Thigpen wrote on her blo...Robert, I believe Tiffany Thigpen wrote on her blog that she tried to arrange a meeting with Brunson and WD and it was Brunson who refused to meet, not Tom . Someone else ttoes to do the same thing but again, it was Brunson who refused to meet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55425524162325762322011-12-02T21:10:52.106-05:002011-12-02T21:10:52.106-05:00Mac Brunsons legacy will from now on be about the ...Mac Brunsons legacy will from now on be about the "blogger incident". Thats all people talk about when the Times Union writes an artical about him or First Baptist and it appears on their "Jacksonville.com" website and people comment after the story. All you have to do is go to wikipedia and type in "Mac Brunson" and see for yourself what they have said about the blogging incident. Kinda sad how Dr. Lindsay grew this church using only the guidance from the Holy Spirit instead of using a consulting firm to tell you how to run a church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52956325523697188092011-12-02T21:02:05.753-05:002011-12-02T21:02:05.753-05:00Exactly....key word is "if"Exactly....key word is "if"FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13448839172268657932011-12-02T20:53:06.870-05:002011-12-02T20:53:06.870-05:00I hate to disagree with you but I've been read...I hate to disagree with you but I've been reading your blog for a long time and I don't remember you saying any goofy things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53054280257519130902011-12-02T18:52:54.418-05:002011-12-02T18:52:54.418-05:00"Shallowness does seem to be the overriding q..."Shallowness does seem to be the overriding quality on this blog.<br /><br />ANON:December 2, 2011 12:41 PM"<br /><br />Yes, indeed.....ah, you are referring to the anonymous comments, right?<br /><br />And, an "Amen!" to the person who pointed out the telling "IF...."<br /><br />"If I offended you...." <br /><br />Yeah, right. "If you are so thin-skinned, obtuse and generally devoid of humanity that your widdle feewings was hurt by my brilliant analysis of your shortcomings, I am SO SORRY..."<br /><br />"IF" always precedes the pseudo-pology.Ed Franklinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878045658191730881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56997091423359099772011-12-02T18:41:04.025-05:002011-12-02T18:41:04.025-05:00Exactly, that is why I issued my own blanket apolo...Exactly, that is why I issued my own blanket apology.<br /><br />:)FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-176549081306622002011-12-02T18:36:18.760-05:002011-12-02T18:36:18.760-05:00WD I enjoy reading some of your articles and I don...WD I enjoy reading some of your articles and I don't like SBC Megachurches, but it seems unfair and vindictive to seize on these statements and ridicule them to this extent. <br />By all means, continue to expose charlatans everywhere but I can't see the point in taking somebody's apology and deconstructing it with so much venom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55204995527420883042011-12-02T17:59:05.463-05:002011-12-02T17:59:05.463-05:00"After all, how could he have apologized to y..."After all, how could he have apologized to you face to face when you refused to meet with him in person in a reconciliation meeting? Or when you fled the church in a cowardly fashion prior to being removed from the membership?"<br /><br />That is just priceless. Robert, you have your timeframes all confused.<br /><br />How could he apologize to me prior to calling me a sociopath and mentally unstable, Robert? I left the church (not "fled") after we got our trespass papers, and then when the story broke about the JSO investigation, THEN he called me a sociopath. Would have been hard to apologize prior to the offense. Or maybe in your mind since I didn’t go to the discipline committee it was my fault he called me a sociopath to the news reporter.<br /><br />Also, the "reconciliation meeting" that my wife and I were summoned to was with a discipline committee made up of men most of whom we did not know, it was not with Brunson. Mac himself testified to that. Again, that was all before he called me a sociopath. Mac is good, but he ain’t good enough to be able to ask for forgiveness before offending someone. <br /><br />Also, Robert, you've believed the lie that A.C. Soud told about me in his infamous "Deacons Resolution 2009-1". He has led you and other lemmings at FBC Jax to believe that I fled after I was told they were taking me before the discipline committee to remove me from membership. That couldn't have been further from the truth. When my wife and I were handed trespass papers by Blount and King, we immediately began visiting churches. We had to. We had three kids and we wanted to worship just like you do, as we are all Christians. We landed at Westside Baptist Church, and after visiting for several weeks we joined in late January, early February. It was not until AFTER we joined, that John Blount contacted me to tell me that they were hauling my "case" to the deacons and then to the church to remove me from membership. We could do nothing else BUT find another church when we had trespass papers handed to us by our church that was our home for 15+ years. Nothing cowardly at all about my leaving, pal.<br /><br />What was cowardly was how A.C. Soud and his minions handled me and my wife after they got my name from Hinson. What was cowardly was how they refused to tell me how they got my name. What was cowardly was them telling me that I would not be able to freely speak at the deacons meeting that I DID agree to attend. What was cowardly was Hinson not revealing that he was on the discipline committee at the time of the JSO "investigation". We only got that gem from Blount under deposition.<br /><br />But that's ok, Robert, I know you and some others like you at FBC Jax believe what you are told, and that makes things easier for you to swallow when you see your church leadership embarrass the church.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34734904816893060362011-12-02T17:58:56.515-05:002011-12-02T17:58:56.515-05:00And lastly, considering the fact that you watch hi...<i>And lastly, considering the fact that you watch him on the internet every Sunday to find things to blog about, I would say a public apology suited the occasion just fine</i><br /><br />Oh, Mac clearly knows <b>another (one of several) way to reach WD</b>, <a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/03/armor-bearers-video-blogger-calls-fbc.html?showComment=1299690066495#c1479149573489436931" rel="nofollow">via his computer monitor</a>!.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50377120683762142912011-12-02T17:17:52.711-05:002011-12-02T17:17:52.711-05:00I hope you're doing well too Tom. I saw you at...I hope you're doing well too Tom. I saw you at the first Monday night Jags game. It was a good one! Let's hope the next one will produce the same results.<br /><br />To answer your question-Perhaps he's apologizing to you, Tom, for anything he's said that you've taken offense to over the years. <br /><br />If that's the case, I would say he has no choice but to apologize in the pulpit. After all, how could he have apologized to you face to face when you refused to meet with him in person in a reconciliation meeting? Or when you fled the church in a cowardly fashion prior to being removed from the membership? And lastly, considering the fact that you watch him on the internet every Sunday to find things to blog about, I would say a public apology suited the occasion just fine.<br /><br />But I could be wrong. Maybe the apology wasn't to you. If that is the case, then I would ask why you felt the need to write a blog about the apology? Or, why are you so offended by it? If he doesn't owe you an apology, then why care?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com