tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post4342362730896025257..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: A Glimmer of Hope: So Far Trinity's Fuller is Saying the Right ThingsFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50787160150930280222010-06-09T09:34:58.990-04:002010-06-09T09:34:58.990-04:00"You have spoken with this pastor about his e..."You have spoken with this pastor about his evil heart, right? Or is just talking to everyone else about it enough to satisfy your thirst for his blood?"<br /><br /><br />What good is talking to him about it? He is the PAID professional Christian. This issue is PUBLIC now. The VICIM made it public. I am more concerned about HER, not making the current pastor look good. <br /><br />Your language is interesting. Wanting truth and justice from paid professional Chrisians is the same as wanting BLOOD. You sound like the Caner defenders. Pure hyperbole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27967265546119714732010-06-09T04:14:42.391-04:002010-06-09T04:14:42.391-04:00Fuller's e-mail, a copy of which was obtained ...Fuller's e-mail, a copy of which was obtained by the AP from a former parishioner, contains two statements advising parishioners to remain silent.<br /><br />"Instead of engaging in talk about this incident, I beg you to pray for all those impacted by this crime," Fuller wrote. "I love you tenderly and am confident you will only talk of these matters to our Lord in prayer." <br /><br />Now you tell me where this is "hope?"<br /><br />I agree my friend Dr Who, It is all show and scripted.<br /><br />I too heard the sermon and heard that same ole word IF..If it is proven, IF it is found.<br /><br />They are still in denial and will never admit anything, because they are afraid of a LAWSUIT.<br /><br />I know this type of chat well. They get to that edge so you know exactly who and what the conversation is all about, but DO NOT jump.<br /><br />There was this certain person......<br /><br />Nice show Brian Fuller, Nice Show. Your sermons sounded so Everson like.........<br /><br />Empty hooks down here. Get more bait.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40041479630439317712010-06-08T20:09:11.995-04:002010-06-08T20:09:11.995-04:00ANON 7:16 & 7:21
I don't believe there is...ANON 7:16 & 7:21<br /><br />I don't believe there is an evil pastor under every rock and that very pastor is trying to hide something or every pastor has to do things the way I would to make them above reproach.<br /><br />Don't be sorry for me. My head is screwed on straight but even more important my heart is clean before my Lord.<br /><br />Armchair blogging about what others should do can make one feel good about themselves. That in no way makes them right, though.<br /><br />You have spoken with this pastor about his evil heart, right? Or is just talking to everyone else about it enough to satisfy your thirst for his blood?<br /><br />You can continue with this blindsided attack with your buds, you don't have the wit to see the good in anyone who disagrees with you, nor the courage to speak to those directly you accuse.<br /><br />Ben PatrickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44782559718266725402010-06-08T19:21:09.561-04:002010-06-08T19:21:09.561-04:00"To accuse the pastor of telling his congrega..."To accuse the pastor of telling his congregation to keep silent if the police call is nothing less than a witch hunt."<br /><br />Ben, he uses the typical pastor language that says stay quiet by inferring they should just pray and not talk to others about it.<br /><br />I think he wants it quiet because of the guy who raped her and how the church treated him vs how it treated the girl. There are most surely folks there now who were there then. he does not want them talking so he uses milieu control and his position to make it look like sin if they do.<br /><br />Shame on him. But I am even more sorry you cannot see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37533059346566921402010-06-08T19:16:51.690-04:002010-06-08T19:16:51.690-04:00Ben, You are naive. He is basically saying, Don...Ben, You are naive. He is basically saying, Don't talk about this incident to anyone. He is shrouding it in faux spiritual language so that it would feel like a sin to talk about it.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />IMAGE and control of the message. <br /><br />Think about it. <br /><br />Wonder if he has a lawyer advising him. My guess is yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56151309654195550922010-06-08T18:14:29.440-04:002010-06-08T18:14:29.440-04:00W D;
I know that we all want to believe in a Past...W D;<br /><br />I know that we all want to believe in a Pastor or Minister. But as had been said many times before, these ARE NOT your grandmothers Preacher.<br /><br />I almost guarantee you that someone within this "organization" with some pull mentored this Pastor into preaching this sermon.<br /><br />Heard of this situation way to many times. It is the poor pitiful me approach and make it showtime.<br /><br />I could just heard something a little different than you. I do not think it was from the heart. <br /><br />To me it sounded scripted.<br /><br />And a Dream? you bet. <br /><br />To bring someone in outside of their establishment aka the Baptist Mafia, in their eyes it be like inviting SATAN himself to intervene in THEIR personal church business.<br /><br />They have NO,and I mean NO acceptance of those outside of their circle. <br /><br />We are all wrong in their eyes. Haven't you heard? :)<br /><br />Us Bad BloggersDr Whonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57459969485498883962010-06-08T17:32:23.620-04:002010-06-08T17:32:23.620-04:00Dr. Who - haven't fallen for anything. I was c...Dr. Who - haven't fallen for anything. I was commenting on Fuller's sermon, which I listened to in its entirity, and was struck by the contrast between his approach and that of the typical baptist pastor facing media scrutiny. <br /><br />This gives me a glimmer of hope. Not much, but a glimmer. The proof will be in Fuller's church's future actions. We'll be watching and listening.<br /><br />He very well could have bashed the media for "attacking" his church, and "the man of God" prior to him. <br /><br />But he didn't and that is a good sign.<br /><br />But we'll be watching. <br /><br />I realize my readers won't share my glimmer of hope, and I understand completely. Especially those who have more experience with baptist preachers who say one thing and do another.<br /><br />Now if Fuller wanted to gain a lot of credibility: call in Christa Brown to be a part of the church investigating committee - she could be an independent party, one with great experience in these matters, could interview the victim, work with the church in making recommendations to prevent this sort of thing from happening again....I would love to see that. But only in our dreams, I suppose.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2303414230475721152010-06-08T17:00:12.610-04:002010-06-08T17:00:12.610-04:00"If Fuller didn't intend to say what that..."If Fuller didn't intend to say what that sounds like, then he needs to publicly clarify it."<br /><br />Says who? Why do we have to play the media game and answer any question they ask. I've dealt with the press and been misrepresented. They have an agenda and I don't think it is as lofty as you want to believe it is. <br /><br />Ben PatrickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36688736974064813212010-06-08T16:57:24.646-04:002010-06-08T16:57:24.646-04:00Two statements (in context? who knows) reported by...Two statements (in context? who knows) reported by the AP say:<br /><br />"Instead of engaging in talk about this incident, I beg you to pray for all those impacted by this crime," Fuller wrote. "I love you tenderly and am confident you will only talk of these matters to our Lord in prayer."<br /><br />Gosh, a simple reading of the first statement speaks to the subject of gossip. The pastor nicely worded his statement in stead of saying "DON"T GOSSIP" Not everyone wants to be as mean spirited in their words as others.<br /><br />Putting the first statement in context with the second would say, take your concerns to the Lord.<br /><br />To accuse the pastor of telling his congregation to keep silent if the police call is nothing less than a witch hunt.<br /><br />Yet, you desire to use a secondary source instead of a primary source. I'm not surprised.<br /><br />Shoot first and ask questions second. That's the way you like it, right?<br /><br />Ben PatrickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56035645352457344952010-06-08T16:44:15.698-04:002010-06-08T16:44:15.698-04:00"Have you asked him why he sent what he sent?..."Have you asked him why he sent what he sent? If so and you found out you were wrong about his heart are you willing to say you are wrong in telling him what he should be doing?"<br /><br /><br />How silly. What does his "heart" have to do with it? We cannot look at motives but we can certianly look at actions.<br /><br />Why would I believe his words? Words are what he does for a living. he is good with words. Like the email. Look to actions. Why send out such an email?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68115231552960856402010-06-08T16:12:17.851-04:002010-06-08T16:12:17.851-04:00I think that when most ordinary people - probably ...I think that when most ordinary people - probably just about everyone EXCEPT fellow Baptists and church congregants - saw the news of Fuller's email, they saw it for what it was. The Associated Press has some of the best-trained reporters in the country - journalists who literally go out of their way to try to write things as objectively as possible and virtually everything a reporter writes is also reviewed by other higher-ups within the AP system - and <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/27/AR2010052704443_2.html?hpid=sec-religion" rel="nofollow">the Associated Press reported</a> that Fuller's email contained "two statements advising parishioners to remain silent." That's not just me saying it. That's the Associated Press. If Fuller didn't intend to say what that sounds like, then he needs to publicly clarify it.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72635516802894140222010-06-08T15:48:34.793-04:002010-06-08T15:48:34.793-04:00Hi,
My name is Rev Robert Wright, Editor for Chri...Hi,<br /><br />My name is Rev Robert Wright, Editor for Christian.com, a social network made specifically for Christians, by Christians. We embarked on this endeavor to offer the entire Christian community an outlet to join together and better spread the good word of Christianity. Christian.com has many great features like Christian TV, prayer requests, finding a church, receiving church updates and advice. We have emailed you to collaborate with you and your blog to help spread the good word of Christianity. I look forward to your response regarding this matter. Thanks!<br /><br /><br />Rev. Robert Wright<br />rev.robertwright@gmail.com<br />www.christian.comUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09519036461703485665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83704186514883177712010-06-08T14:10:22.164-04:002010-06-08T14:10:22.164-04:00They are trained very well.
Just another Baptist ...They are trained very well.<br /><br />Just another Baptist covering his rear.<br /><br />It is amazing what a little consultant can prescribe.<br /><br />And you of all people Watchdog are falling for this.....<br /><br />hmmmmm I am surprisedDr Whonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47857733362144375342010-06-08T13:53:45.665-04:002010-06-08T13:53:45.665-04:00"I still haven't seen where he has expres..."I still haven't seen where he has expressed any remorse for his own email, and nor has he taken the pro-active step of earnestly beseeching congregants to share any and all information with the police. <b>That's what he should be doing</b>, particularly in light of his own prior words in that email."<br /><br />Have you asked him why he sent what he sent? If so and you found out you were wrong about his heart are you willing to say you are wrong in telling him what he should be doing?<br /><br />I doubt it. Furthering your cause seems to be the primary concern, not the truth, in all matters.<br /><br />Ben PatrickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20348398706372816702010-06-08T13:50:42.059-04:002010-06-08T13:50:42.059-04:00It is my understanding that the email was not to a...It is my understanding that the email was not to avert information away from legal authorities but to encourage the membership to not make this the topic of gossip.<br /><br />Do we find it easier to think the worst instead of seeking the truth? It seems so.<br /><br />Ben PatrickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10011635676848824192010-06-08T11:25:51.287-04:002010-06-08T11:25:51.287-04:00"It might even be that the whole thing came a...<i>"It might even be that the whole thing came as a bit of church history that the present staff knew nothing about."</i><br /><br />Church staff... maybe. But let's not forget that it's undisputed that, 13 years ago, Tina stood in front of the congregation and made an apology. I'm told that it was a congregation of about 400. There are almost certainly many people who are still within the congregation who have information about what happened at the time and memories about what Phelps said, what Willis said, and likely much more. Yet, the first response of current pastor Brian Fuller was to send out an email to members of the congregation telling them that they should talk about this "only" to God. That almost certainly was NOT very helpful for the police who are trying to investigate.<br /><br />It was only AFTER that email was made public by the Associated Press that pastor Fuller then made this sermon with such nice-sounding words. But I still haven't seen where he has expressed any remorse for his own email, and nor has he taken the pro-active step of earnestly beseeching congregants to share any and all information with the police. That's what he should be doing, particularly in light of his own prior words in that email.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29531316479950037052010-06-08T11:21:51.528-04:002010-06-08T11:21:51.528-04:00Mr. Fuller is clearly more aware of how to deal wi...Mr. Fuller is clearly more aware of how to deal with events of this sort than many might be. And it is easier to be wise if you have nothing to be defensive about.<br /><br />June 7, 2010 11:39 PM<br /><br />Would that be a pragmatic wise or a spiritual wise? And why do you think he is more aware of HOW to deal with such events?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13466613462221417222010-06-08T11:19:29.860-04:002010-06-08T11:19:29.860-04:00Obviously you don't comprehend short sentences...Obviously you don't comprehend short sentences very well. My post said nothing about how positive or negative the watchdog is. Only that he is a contradiction. And do not put words in my mouth, my post said NOTHING about a change of heart in the pastor...where in the world did you pull that from??? <br /><br />I believe in a change of heart by anyone...however, the pastor has not had a change of heart. He is still the same man this week that he was last week...thus the reason that I pointed out watchdog has polar opposite views of the pastor on two different blog posts. Yes, the watchdog is a contradiction. NO, I am not.<br /><br />June 8, 2010 8:05 AM<br /><br /> Uh, does this makes sense? WD is a contradiction? How? The current pastor was not at the church when the heresy trial took place for the 15 yr old girl. WD simply wrote about what the current pastor had to say about it.<br /><br />We do not know if the pastor said something because it became more public or what.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47624424756267516152010-06-08T09:24:52.454-04:002010-06-08T09:24:52.454-04:00We know nothing about Mr. Fuller's heart, but ...We know nothing about Mr. Fuller's heart, but we can see his words. WD writes in response to those words—and occasionally draws conclusions (makes guesses) about “the heart that produced them.” Exactly what Mr. Fuller had in mind when he suggested that the church members not discuss the "discipline" we cannot be sure, but it sounded stereotypically repressive—and produced predictable responses across the blog world. However his present statements are different from those first ones and have produced a reasonably different response from WD. [IMO :)]Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63138525192585063522010-06-08T08:05:08.868-04:002010-06-08T08:05:08.868-04:00tikatu
Obviously you don't comprehend short s...tikatu<br /><br />Obviously you don't comprehend short sentences very well. My post said nothing about how positive or negative the watchdog is. Only that he is a contradiction. And do not put words in my mouth, my post said NOTHING about a change of heart in the pastor...where in the world did you pull that from??? <br /><br />I believe in a change of heart by anyone...however, the pastor has not had a change of heart. He is still the same man this week that he was last week...thus the reason that I pointed out watchdog has polar opposite views of the pastor on two different blog posts. Yes, the watchdog is a contradiction. NO, I am not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33838712387104974572010-06-08T06:53:38.933-04:002010-06-08T06:53:38.933-04:00Until one realizes that Jesus Christ is the HEAD o...Until one realizes that Jesus Christ is the HEAD of HIS church and not some Ordinary Man who is a sinner like the rest of us it is impossible to carry on any valuable discussion. They like the Bible declares, had rather follow a man than the Lord. Hopelss, just hopeless and getting worse and worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20988038949245135842010-06-07T23:39:51.432-04:002010-06-07T23:39:51.432-04:00"I might gently suggest that Fuller has the f..."I might gently suggest that Fuller has the freedom to be honest about this because it happened long enough ago that nobody currently in leadership in his church is implicated."<br /><br />Mike makes a very good point here. It might even be that the whole thing came as a bit of church history that the present staff knew nothing about.<br /><br />Mr. Fuller is clearly more aware of how to deal with events of this sort than many might be. And it is easier to be wise if you have nothing to be defensive about.Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16804180568214115352010-06-07T16:47:13.718-04:002010-06-07T16:47:13.718-04:00Enough with the fund raising. Preach Jesus please ...Enough with the fund raising. Preach Jesus please and trust in Him to provide the budget funds you need.<br /><br />June 7, 2010 3:21 PM<br /><br />Do you not see the hypocrisy? They tell you to trust God to provide for YOUR needs but they don't do the same!<br /><br />Tell your pastor to get a second job. Let him get a feel for the REAL world.<br /><br />Give something to a single mom who cannot afford to fix her brakes. Do it in the Name of Jesus. That would be a good steward. Giving it to these charlatans would be a bad steward!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49850023060655634352010-06-07T15:21:00.105-04:002010-06-07T15:21:00.105-04:00I got beat up about money again this week. I am i...I got beat up about money again this week. I am in dire financial straights and am trusting God to provide. I really needed to hear a word from God. I really needed an opportunity to help others. Instead, I got a mini rock concert and more pleas for money while being informed we won't do any outreach or missions due to not enough money. And those asking for the money are living the life of Riley at the best restaurants and beach living while I am working day and night. Not jealous, but saddened. <br /><br />It seems our members are very generous, but the staff are poor stewards. They just can't seem to minister with the money God provides. <br /><br />I feel like Eeyore leaving that place. Enough with the fund raising. Preach Jesus please and trust in Him to provide the budget funds you need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44059486697392662452010-06-07T15:15:33.943-04:002010-06-07T15:15:33.943-04:00Did ANYONE, ANYWHERE, in ANY baptist church hear t...Did ANYONE, ANYWHERE, in ANY baptist church hear their pastor say any of the following:<br /><br />1.) "We are way over budget. Thanks everyone. We should be able to generously give our surplus funds to others in need in our community and around the world. After all, it is God's money we have in the bank."<br /><br />2.) "We are starting a capital campaign to raise funds for missions, the poor, the orphan and the needy. Our buildings are in fine shape and hold all of us comfortably. But I have a zeal, a passion, a calling, to raise funds and give to help others."<br /><br />3.) "We were not good stewards of the budget when giving was higher. We put ourselves into debt by building more buildings and we hired too much staff that we cannot sustain. So we are going to streamline things so we can operate more efficiently and be better stewards of God's money to help those in need instead of just spending to maintain these buildings and to continue to pay our staff."<br /><br />4.) "Our finance committee actually has a staff member, or staff member's wife, on it. This is a conflict of interest. How can we make hard decisions about being over staffed and reducing salary and benefits if the pastor's wife is on the committee? How can the Spirit lead us if a person's own self interest is going to be dominant?"<br /><br />Please let me know if you heard that somewhere, it will really encourage me. I don't need to ask how many heard a preacher tell you that you need to GIVE MORE and that we need MORE MONEY to SUSTAIN OURSELVES...and THEN and ONLY THEN, can we begin to even think about looking outward.<br /><br />And if our leaders are materialistic, and spend the entire budget on sustaining themselves and the budget, how do they expect us to do anything different. We too, will give more to the church when we have surplus in our budget. But we can't ask for someone else to give it to us, claiming that if they love Jesus, they will pay us more to prove it. We have to work and earn it and pay taxes on it, yet they still believe it is God's/Theirs.<br /><br />No wonder 95% of the members DON'T TITHE and 87% Don't give a dime to these guys. We are all catching on! Amen and Amen!<br /><br />Pathetic. And that includes YOUR church and mine, large and small.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com