tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post4725392756702284791..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: REMINDER: Mac Said he is AccountableFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-401703755777786282008-10-18T10:26:00.000-04:002008-10-18T10:26:00.000-04:00"OC: I said content and I meant content!! Websters..."OC: I said content and I meant content!! Websters Dictionary: Content - something contained, the subject matter or topics treated (as in a book)- the significant part (as of a book or a speech): essential meaning - a capacity - etc. Gen. chp. 3. Read the CONTENT."<BR/><BR/><BR/>OK "anon". Thank you for the didaction.<BR/> <BR/>"didactic". Greek. 1. intended for instruction. 2. morally instructive.<BR/> <BR/>That too is directly from Webster's Dictionary. Not from any of that "Greek" stuff that seems to scare you.<BR/><BR/>Now wipe that tabacky juice off'n yer chin and give us a big grin!<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90536621822118194002008-10-18T00:25:00.000-04:002008-10-18T00:25:00.000-04:00OC: I said content and I meant content!! Websters ...OC: I said content and I meant content!! Websters Dictionary: Content - something contained, the subject matter or topics treated (as in a book)- the significant part (as of a book or a speech): essential meaning - a capacity - etc. Gen. chp. 3. Read the CONTENT.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77978634904559532152008-10-17T23:40:00.000-04:002008-10-17T23:40:00.000-04:00"OC: Get over it. As I said stupid people change G..."OC: Get over it. As I said stupid people change God's word!! Content, get it content!! Gen: chp.3. Read what happened when the serpent tried to change God's word. I can tell you are one of the "in the Greek" boys/girls.<BR/><BR/>October 17, 2008 6:43 AM"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Oh, I'm over it alright. And it's "context", not content. And as far as being "in the Greek", yeah, I learned it at school. But I can tell you're not into any of that education stuff. But that's ok, I still love you anyway. :)<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23510095050797395612008-10-17T16:13:00.000-04:002008-10-17T16:13:00.000-04:00I think a Doberman is good. Those are "serious dog...I think a Doberman is good. Those are "serious dogs".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62582673221658747052008-10-17T12:45:00.000-04:002008-10-17T12:45:00.000-04:00I prefer the picture WD used for this blog's 1st b...I prefer the picture WD used for this blog's 1st birthday. I like that dog's picture.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24549128342777761812008-10-17T11:35:00.000-04:002008-10-17T11:35:00.000-04:00I promise I will email my entire sunday school cla...I promise I will email my entire sunday school class about this blog if you would please put a pic of a bull dog on your page...you need some graphics!Plus it would be cool for us young readers! Please???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71757047887273742912008-10-17T11:01:00.000-04:002008-10-17T11:01:00.000-04:00Keep going Watchdog!! I can tell you that many peo...Keep going Watchdog!! I can tell you that many people have knives in their back and their reputations ruined by preachers that don't care how they hurt others. Nor do they care how they hurt a person spiritually for the rest of their lives!!! It's very serious sometimes. But the preacher keeps going and smiling and acting holy. But one day they will answer to God for the harm they have done. In the meantime, they keep demanding big bucks. You have no idea how painful this treatment is, as the average person has no recourse, no pulpit, and no way of defending themselves. They must suffer silently, as others believe whatever they are told about them. I am not speaking of anyone in particular, but in general.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67129851247803422022008-10-17T10:57:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:57:00.000-04:00Anon - your post shows how sick the thinking is of...Anon - your post shows how sick the thinking is of this new "market driven" model.<BR/><BR/>Sure, overall attendance is down, way down...but, as any smart businessman knows, raising prices might cut down numbers of sales, but increases overall revenue. In a business our goal is to maximize "revenue", and the trick is to know how to raise prices to the revenue maximization point.<BR/><BR/>If we get 7000 attendees at $100 registration, we generate $700k. But if through our human marketing efforts we can get 4000 attendees at $250 dollars each, AND generate another $100,000 through selling of sponsorships, we have fewer pastors but much higher revenue.<BR/><BR/>So that shows how sick we have become. Vines kept the registration fee ridiculously low so that ANY preacher could come...we maximized ATTENDANCE not REVENUE...sure, we incurred a loss, but we did explain this to the attendees and we did this: we let God move in the hearts of people to give as moved by the Holy Spirit to make up the shortfall.<BR/><BR/>So what you see today by Brunson is revenue maximization, instead of attendance maximization.<BR/><BR/>Ain't God good?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45570339318454544372008-10-17T10:55:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:55:00.000-04:00Watchdog: I did not imply you were the sbc watchdo...Watchdog: I did not imply you were the sbc watchdog. All I meant to say is that someone is giving a bad name to Watchdog's everywhere. You have shown wisdom and tenacity in the pursuit of truth in your posts. God bless you, Watchdog.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39719476415480450882008-10-17T10:52:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:52:00.000-04:00WD-Concerning your 11:04 post of Oct. 16. You sai...WD-<BR/>Concerning your 11:04 post of Oct. 16. You said they (Team Brunson) were expecting 3500 attendees. When I used to attend it was at a minimum 7,000. Maybe they should look at and determine which came first the higher prices that we small(er) churches can't afford or the attendance drop off? <BR/><BR/>Also, in the past we were told by Dr. Lindsay and Dr. Vines that the conference was partially paid for out of the budget of FBCJAX. That is why during the years you were building the BIG auditorium that the conference was suspended. So, what gives? I know that you are behind in your budget this year, but last year the prices skyrocketed and the economy was your giving were at or above budget. Maybe I'm thinking too much into this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15986256370244096332008-10-17T10:43:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:43:00.000-04:00Last year FBC members had to have a special pass, ...Last year FBC members had to have a special pass, be a volunteer, or pay. All of the premium courses had to be paid in order to attend. The point being that if the visiting preachers had to pay to get in, then everyone should pay. Plus, other churches locally could walk in without having to pay. Which evidently was felt to be unfair to the out of towners. Of course, FBC and locals did not receive "packets", food etc. Nevertheless, FBC members pay all year for the facility, with tithes and offerings and should not have to pay to get into these events.<BR/>I do not know if food is included this year. Many eat outside part of the time. I believe it is the same this year. If not I stand corrected. I just know how it was handled last year. As I am local I did not sign up as a preacher and did not get info sent to me this year. Check it out, I believe I am right. This is another reason that the crowd is thinner. In the past we had overflow in the dinning room. Plus the fact that some preachers are just not returning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53365414035752460622008-10-17T10:28:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:28:00.000-04:00Yep, this is one-sided all right. My side. Because...Yep, this is one-sided all right. My side. Because its my blog.<BR/><BR/>But unlike Mac, Chris, I will address you directly and tell you: I am sorry if my use of "hell" offended you. My intent was not to offend, but to express my intense emotions. <BR/><BR/>But at any moment Mac, or Smyrl, or whoever can come here and post their view. One-sided yes, but blogs allow dissenting views to be expressed. Smyrl's blog is awfully one-sided as they don't allow posts there.<BR/><BR/>But Mac gives HIS side every Sunday from the pulpit, in front of thousands with a microsphone, and an Internet feed.<BR/><BR/>It was awfully "one sided" when he slandered Sheri Klouda on a Sunday night by saying that she admitted on the witness stand that her lawsuit violated scripture. That was a lie, and a lie that stuck a knife in an already wounded woman who was harmed irreparably by Mac's buddy Paige Patterson. It was completely gratuitous, as his mentioning Sheri's story added NOTHING to the point he was making on lawsuits and believers. It was one-sided. He didn't call Sheri to get her side. HE ABUSED HIS POWER AND USED HIS PULPIT TO SPREAD A LIE OUT OF HELL AGAINST SHERI KLOUDA. This blog, in fact, served to show both sides of the story. As Mac used his pulpit to slander Sheri with no possibility of her getting her side to the people of FBC Jacksonville, this blog gave her view WORD FOR WORD and exposed Mac Brunson to be the cold-hearted, lying. careless preacher that he was that night he lied about Sheri. So no matter how much people hate this blog, it did serve to allow a person with no microphone, no live Internet feed, who had been slandered by a powerful millionaire mega church pastor, to get her word out at no cost. Now I would say most people in the SBC now know: Mac lied about her from his pulpit, and never had the decency of apologizing to us or to Sheri Klouda for spreading that lie.<BR/><BR/>And by the way, Chris, the word "hell" shouldn't offend you. Mac has used the term "hell" from the pulpit...saying "that is a lie out of hell" on several occasions.<BR/><BR/>He was talking recently about people saying we had borrowed money. He said "We ain't borrowed any money, at least as far as I know. That is a lie out of hell."<BR/><BR/>"Out of hell"? To say we have borrowed money is a lie out of hell?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25413109861611824752008-10-17T10:16:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:16:00.000-04:00When Vines started the conferences the registratio...When Vines started the conferences the registration fees were very low, and he did explain to the attendees that the registration fees did not cover the costs of puttng on the conference. When we took up the offerings on Sunday of the conference, he would tell this to the pastors and would tell them that if they felt led they could give, but if not that was perfectly fine.<BR/><BR/>I can't wait to hear what Mac tells them Sunday when we pass the plate. And I hope he recognizes Trey for his excellent efforts in "coordinating" the conference and raising $100,000.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38002744236090634642008-10-17T10:14:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:14:00.000-04:00Is it true that FBC Jax members can't attend the s...Is it true that FBC Jax members can't attend the sessions without paying? I don't believe that. Any confirmation on that?<BR/><BR/>I saw those posts by the "SBC Watchdog"...for the record that is NO me...FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18237832580840452982008-10-17T10:04:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:04:00.000-04:00WD: Here's a thought. Why not ask the visiting pre...WD: Here's a thought. Why not ask the visiting preachers to take up a collection (pass the plate) according to how much they feel they were blessed during the conference. If the preachers don't donate then how can any of them expect others too. It's not just members that should "tithe" and give. If they preachers don't support a convention held to benefit them then don't have them. Or is it really all about advertising, networking and money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18255762907962836662008-10-17T09:55:00.001-04:002008-10-17T09:55:00.001-04:00WD: It seems that FBC stays right on the edge of t...WD: It seems that FBC stays right on the edge of the tax code. They could certainly be challenged. Eventually these type of activities will get the tax status changed, and many will loose their status. Mainly because of the mega money makers. The bad apples will hurt the rest.<BR/><BR/>When the conferences started, I remember the reason was to help the visiting preachers and their staffs. Dr. Lindsay always said it was to BENEFIT the visitors and our own church members that attended. He certainly would not approve of this current venture. FBC members can't get into their own church unless they have approved passes, or are volunteers, or they pay!!! I have a thought, why not invite some local preachers, maybe even some independents. We might really hear some good preaching. And maybe they would consider preaching for free. After all preaching is supposed to be a calling and a GIFT from God. <BR/><BR/>I have another question: Why must visiting "speakers/preachers" get paid everytime they open their mouth. They must have their travel paid for, their meals, their out of pocket expenses, their speeches/sermons". Does no one have a call to preach anymore. Just a thought, Sunday School teachers/lay workers don't get paid. You wouldn't be able to have a church without them. It's called SERVING GOD!!! I don't get it. Are preachers only "called to speak for Jesus if they are paid like rock stars. FBC provides the facility, as always. Why must the visiting "stars" get paid. But, then I do remember Dr. Vines saying you had to pay him "big bucks", to be the preacher. Remember when he and Mac exchanged high fives after his remarks? Well, that's certainly spiritual!!!<BR/>Also, ONLY preachers and maybe a staff member should preach/speak. Not a business rep., pushing a company, a facility, or a program for profit. NO advertising allowed. This is supposed to be a CHRIST centered event, not a business convention/opportunity nor an ego fest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91778911734640629442008-10-17T09:55:00.000-04:002008-10-17T09:55:00.000-04:00Watchdog: You are starting a trend here. Here is a...Watchdog: You are starting a trend here. Here is a <B>unfriendly comment</B> on Pastor Wade's blog, posted by SBC Watchdog.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2008/10/smile-of-providence-is-all-around-just.html#c3526712030999528632" REL="nofollow">The Smile of Providence Is All Around: Just Look: Anonymous said - SBC Watchdog</A><BR/><BR/>All this over an innocuous image.<BR/><BR/>You might want to register sbcwatchdog with google. :-)Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33969930266553370132008-10-17T06:43:00.000-04:002008-10-17T06:43:00.000-04:00WD: NO the "gasoline blog.", was mine and I did no...WD: NO the "gasoline blog.", was mine and I did not complain about posting. I think you are very fair to publish what ever comes along. Besides it's your site and your discretion. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>OC: Get over it. As I said stupid people change God's word!! Content, get it content!! Gen: chp.3. Read what happened when the serpent tried to change God's word. I can tell you are one of the "in the Greek" boys/girls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81112071838043340612008-10-17T02:32:00.000-04:002008-10-17T02:32:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... Watchdog, what I don't quite und...<I>Anonymous said... <BR/>Watchdog, what I don't quite understand about this promo brochure for the PC is this - is not FBC Jax a not-for-profit 501(c)3 organization? Is there some kind of limit on what they can charge for these kinds of services given their tax-expempt status?</I><BR/><BR/>This is an ineresting point. A key legal / tax issue is whether the Pastor's Conference should be considered "substantially related<BR/>to the charitable, educational, or other purpose that is the basis for the organization’s exemption." Certainly a debatable question.<BR/><BR/>See<BR/><A HREF="http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=123293,00.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> <BR/><BR/>and <A HREF="http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=123415,00.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> <BR/><BR/>and <A HREF="http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96104,00.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> <BR/> <BR/>and <A HREF="http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p598.pdf" REL="nofollow">this</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60932428117984031812008-10-16T23:04:00.000-04:002008-10-16T23:04:00.000-04:00From the pastor's conference website:Why does the ...From the pastor's conference website:<BR/><BR/><I>Why does the price of the conference change from year to year?<BR/><BR/>We have to annually review our pricing to see if we are covering our costs. FBC Jacksonville considers this conference a ministry of the church and that is why annually we host the conference. The conference does have a cost attached to it and we try to make sure that the price is affordable while at the same time making sure that we don’t end up throwing our budget off for the year. We also have to consider the fact that costs in the economy vary every year and that affects us in the airfare for speakers, food costs for the conference, labor costs associated, etc… All of these factor together into our pricing.</I><BR/><BR/>If they get the 3500 pastors they expect, they will generate $875,000 in revenue. And if Trey successfully fleeces Christian organizations to the tune of $100,000 again this year through "sponsorships" and "infomerical tetimonies", they are bringing a million in revenue.<BR/><BR/>Can anyone make the serious case that this is a negative or at worst a break-even cash flow event for FBC Jax?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84689689325658078902008-10-16T22:55:00.000-04:002008-10-16T22:55:00.000-04:00"Stupid people change God's Word or they reject it..."Stupid people change God's Word or they reject it for their own so called benefit. Many people get messed up in the brain when they start messing with God's Holy Word. Thats why in the book of the Revelation it says not to add to or take away even a dot or comma to His Word.."<BR/><BR/>There are no commas in the Greek text, nor is there any other English-type punctuation for that matter; so therefore the book of Revelation, who was originally written in the Greek, could never say what you just said it did, because the original language of the text knew nothing of a "comma".<BR/><BR/>:)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Just for your cogitation and rumination.<BR/><BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42077499681454067802008-10-16T22:44:00.000-04:002008-10-16T22:44:00.000-04:00Watchdog, what I don't quite understand about this...Watchdog, what I don't quite understand about this promo brochure for the PC is this - is not FBC Jax a not-for-profit 501(c)3 organization? Is there some kind of limit on what they can charge for these kinds of services given their tax-expempt status?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21006660361701807082008-10-16T22:16:00.000-04:002008-10-16T22:16:00.000-04:00My tactics remind you of Mac's?What utter nonsense...My tactics remind you of Mac's?<BR/><BR/>What utter nonsense.<BR/><BR/>Am I taking $30,000 a month from God's people to live in a lavish home? My wife on staff at the church? And my son?<BR/><BR/>Did I change the bylaws without uttering one word of explanation?<BR/><BR/>Did I hire my son to devise a scheme to fleece Christian organizations out of $100,000 for the privilege of getting the word out on their ministries to visiting pastors?<BR/><BR/>What reminds me of Mac's tactics are your whining and exaggeration.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11430419803601363942008-10-16T22:13:00.000-04:002008-10-16T22:13:00.000-04:00Is yours the gasoline station post that you are di...Is yours the gasoline station post that you are disappointed that I didn't post? I just posted it...sorry, just an oversight.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54208397699412267162008-10-16T22:00:00.000-04:002008-10-16T22:00:00.000-04:00Dear Watchdog,I find it interesting (and somewhat ...Dear Watchdog,<BR/>I find it interesting (and somewhat bafflng) what comments you chose to publish and not to publish. Yeah, it's your blog, yada yada yada, but your calls for transparency ring hollow when you elect not to publish on-topic comments that are not personally insulting to you (or anyone). <BR/><BR/>I don't care if you publish this one or not; just want you to be aware that your tactics remind me of Mac's. Proud?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com