tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post4750666344848647778..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: You, Your Pastor, Non-Tithers, NIV-Readers, and the Will of GodFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63446126507503953882011-04-28T19:07:30.723-04:002011-04-28T19:07:30.723-04:00A person with this attitude is destined for hell n...A person with this attitude is destined for hell not heaven.<br /><br />The beast has his exactly where hw wants him, the rejection of the teachings of jesus. The law will condem this person.tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08471754051790600470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87349564940677665132011-04-28T16:21:01.114-04:002011-04-28T16:21:01.114-04:00The Butcher Priest said...
“If you don't tith...The Butcher Priest said... <br />“If you don't tithe, you are not in the will of God when it comes to financial obedience in your life. Plain and simple.<br /><br />Standards have existed and will always be a part of the Christians life. Watering down expectations and a particular level of obedience, such as saying its ok to give 3% instead of 10%, is grounds for abomination and utter rebellion in the believers heart.<br /><br />A person with this attitude is destined for hell not heaven.”<br /><br />What is this list and of “standards” and where is it found in the Bible? Do you have a list? Did God give to you or man? The only standards I see being debated here are manmade, just like tithing.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59902196636291392212011-04-28T14:36:52.755-04:002011-04-28T14:36:52.755-04:00Some people who come to mind:
H. Lindsay (Sr &...Some people who come to mind:<br /><br />H. Lindsay (Sr & Jr)<br />J. Bisagno<br />A. Rogers<br />V. Havner<br />S. Cathey<br />J. Vines<br /><br />We can list some who don't. What these two groups, if listed, would find common ground upon is, the essentials of which tithing is not one of them.<br /><br />I'll stick with these men of God and not make tithing a dividing subject.<br /><br />April 27, 2011 5:55 PM<br /><br />This is the sort of thinking that is so sad in Christianity. There are NO men of God. There are only depraved sinners saved by the same grace as anyone.<br /><br />There is no caste system in Christianity or "special people'. All believers have the same anointing if they are true believers.<br /><br />So many promote men instead of Christ and the Word. that is what Jon is really doing by this comment. We are supposed to think teaching the tithe is ok because some who have been successful in what they call ministry say so. That is following man instead of Christ and that is what is wrong with the church.<br /><br />Teaching the tithe leads to all kinds of error. But the worst part of it is thinking of a percentage instead of being led by the Holy Spirit. When they teach the tithe, they are literally telling folks not to be led by the Holy Spirit but to follow a man made formula. This only keeps believers very immature.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70240929400226956932011-04-28T11:39:45.988-04:002011-04-28T11:39:45.988-04:00In reference to the blog you cite, I can in no way...In reference to the blog you cite, I can in no way think of any Southern Baptist Church which fits their fundamentalist criteria.<br /><br />I do, for some of their stuff, appreciate the parody they use.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19569395245086640602011-04-28T00:40:28.661-04:002011-04-28T00:40:28.661-04:00Not having been on for a while, I was sympathetic ...Not having been on for a while, I was sympathetic toward Jon Estes views -- until he said he liked Maurillo's fashion tips.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11758640377582237032011-04-27T22:37:37.550-04:002011-04-27T22:37:37.550-04:00The liberal wasteland is far reaching, dry and sca...The liberal wasteland is far reaching, dry and scattered with bones and carcasses, those of whom belong to would be christians who reached the final destination of their miserable hypocritical journey.<br />One mustn't pass through the liberal wasteland. It should be avoided altogether if possible. We are called to be in the world but not of the world. <br /><br />Liberals are sweet people. Take the gays for instance. Gays and Lesbians are nice people, a lot nicer than some of you naysayers on this blog.<br />As christians, we must be open to the opinions of liberals but not malleable to their vain propositions. Liberals must be accepted for who they are, and not dismissed for who they aren't. Unfortunately, far too many times we as Christians dismiss liberals altogether because they don't fit our own form or mold of what a person should be or act like. This must change.The Butcher Priestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80377147825044155842011-04-27T22:31:28.442-04:002011-04-27T22:31:28.442-04:00As far as varying translations of the Bible, I see...As far as varying translations of the Bible, I see nothing wrong with using a different translation other than the old time KJV. Now some translations desolate God's word and should be avoided altogether. But there are some acceptable and reputable translations such as the NASB that are good for modern day culture, as it relates to the Christian's life.The Butcher Priestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91360050196895613532011-04-27T22:28:41.269-04:002011-04-27T22:28:41.269-04:00If you don't tithe, you are not in the will of...If you don't tithe, you are not in the will of God when it comes to financial obedience in your life. Plain and simple.<br /><br />Standards have existed and will always be a part of the Christians life. Watering down expectations and a particular level of obedience, such as saying its ok to give 3% instead of 10%, is grounds for abomination and utter rebellion in the believers heart.<br /><br />A person with this attitude is destined for hell not heaven.The Butcher Priestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72161359630705517412011-04-27T22:25:18.686-04:002011-04-27T22:25:18.686-04:00John Estes seems to be a sincere individual. His s...John Estes seems to be a sincere individual. His spirit is genuine, his faith real. If anybody on this blog were to be in the will of God, without a doubt it would be John Estes.<br /><br />We must accept his apologies at face value and consider his views and opinions on the topics offered here on this blog.<br /><br />Pat on the back to John for not being a fake.<br /><br />Now, on to the topic of this blog-the will of God.<br /><br />I once heard a few good quotes about the will of God, but I can't remember them. So you all will have to suffer through my own interpretation of such.<br /><br />As a person, as a soul, you are either in or out of the will of God.<br />I'd rather be a lost person out of the will of God, then a Christian out of the will of God.<br />Your being in the will of God has nothing and does not depend on your pastors being in the will of God. You cannot connect or link the two. One is not dependent upon the other.<br /><br />I don't think God takes preferences and says because you sir are a pastor, you are more in the will of God than this lost sinner lay person. That's a form of favoritism.<br /><br />To be or not to be? That is the question. If we know what the will of God is for our lives, will we always choose to put ourselves in the will of God for ourselves? I think most of us deep down would say to ourselves, well it depends on what the will of God is for each of us. I don't think all of us would move to Iraq to become a missionary at the drop of a hat if God presented us with that calling.<br /><br />I think Christians walk on thin ice when they challenge others as to their closeness or evidence of being in the will of God.<br /><br />I don't think writing blogs dedicated to the spiritual assasination of other christian pastors and leaders qualifies as being in the will of God.The Butcher Priestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89617923966609061732011-04-27T21:54:38.475-04:002011-04-27T21:54:38.475-04:00Amazing. Out of the 73 comments in this thread so...Amazing. Out of the 73 comments in this thread so far, beginning with JLE's initial comment, the 6th one, 64 of the remaining 67 comments have been by, about, or in response to JLE who has been posting almost hourly since 5:30 this morning. Congratulations, Jon. You have successfully hijacked another blog!<br /><br />Make that 65 out of 68 with this one.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47958049152346315832011-04-27T21:30:18.535-04:002011-04-27T21:30:18.535-04:00When I get to heaven and God tells me 2+2 = 5,
I ...<i>When I get to heaven and God tells me 2+2 = 5,</i><br /><br />I humbly submit the place then would NOT be heaven.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90013162566907312972011-04-27T21:14:58.276-04:002011-04-27T21:14:58.276-04:00Hi Jim - strange things have happened on the blog ...Hi Jim - strange things have happened on the blog of late. I've had a particular troll who stirs people up on his own side by posting over the top criticsms of my points of view, and now Jon Estes seems to be using my blog for his own therapy, to relieve some sort of guilt he has over his past comments here on this blog.<br /><br />I really can't do much about it, except to shut off all comments or to begin moderating them, and I am not in a position to moderate as might have been in the past. <br /><br />So I'll just try to keep the topics moving and hope people post responsibly.<br /><br />And Jon Estes, brother, just give it a break. What ever apologies you've offered, or olive branch you've extended, they're accepted, and move on. But try giving the comments here a rest for a while and come back in a few weeks.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82442614402174680502011-04-27T20:15:57.697-04:002011-04-27T20:15:57.697-04:00Tom, for the sake of your wider reading audience, ...Tom, for the sake of your wider reading audience, many of whom never post, PLEASE limit the number of responses a single individual may make to an initial post. Some tend to hijack the discussion and have little of value to share after two or three comments. The resulting off-topic, kindergarten playground name-calling is not worthy to be showcased in your important blog.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75867861954623120402011-04-27T19:00:34.862-04:002011-04-27T19:00:34.862-04:00jon, can you link to any proof that you told your ...jon, can you link to any proof that you told your fellow church members that you wrongly taught them the tithe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37446993473572107742011-04-27T18:57:45.339-04:002011-04-27T18:57:45.339-04:00jon, why not live out 'repentent jon' at l...jon, why not live out 'repentent jon' at least as long as you have 'jerk jon' before you start pressing a matter. Jerk jon had a 4 year run on blogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76258832844833997212011-04-27T18:53:44.563-04:002011-04-27T18:53:44.563-04:00Jon, I find it ironic that Tom has told you he wil...Jon, I find it ironic that Tom has told you he will not engage you on your question to him, yet you persist by presenting it again. Your claim of a repentent Jon seems 'affected' based on your pushing the question. Personally, I think it is just another Jon tactic. We have seen quite a few of them over the years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68894456576774133342011-04-27T18:52:08.454-04:002011-04-27T18:52:08.454-04:00“My position would be to go to the pastor. There i...“My position would be to go to the pastor. There is biblical precedence for this.”<br />I agree whole heartedly with you on this and I feel like I could go to my current Pastor and do just that. I feel like I could do that with you too, Jon. <br />It’s just that there are so many very popular men who call themselves “Pastor” who believe they are above questioning and isolate themselves from the ones they should be serving, you know, the members, who they are constantly brow beating about tithing. Others will pretend to want to hear your concerns but the truth is they only want to identify yourself so they can label you a “dissenter.” <br />Ok, one other question what differentiates a “Calvinist” from any other Christian?WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60537271984083558982011-04-27T18:33:45.606-04:002011-04-27T18:33:45.606-04:00"It would also be helpful to consider the sou..."It would also be helpful to consider the source. I would say it is much more likely to do the former if your salary is coming from the preaching of the tithe."<br /><br />I don't know but I am confident that the men I listed were not motivated to preach such because of their paycheck. Some of you here know these men better than I do, do you think their paycheck was their motive for preaching the tithe?<br /><br />"What is your source for this statement?"<br /><br />I did not intend for this statement to be an absolute but rather my opinion.<br /><br />"The difference is that I'm not relying of a list of men to validate prove my point. I'm using scripture interpreted correctly and in context."<br /><br />As I am sure the men I listed were also.<br /><br />I have no desire to further argue a tertiary issue. There are to many godly men who have wrestled with this and came up differently than you did and they discovered their position using scripture in context. They seemed to see it differently than you all the while being as honest with scripture as they were able. The same criteria we use in searching scripture.<br /><br />When I get to heaven and God tells me I understood it wrong, I will not argue with Him about my approach to interpreting scripture but gladly thank Him and learn.<br /><br />When I get to heaven and God tells me 2+2 = 5, I will not argue. I admit I have not yet arrived in understanding all things.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21393448284068240462011-04-27T18:07:38.534-04:002011-04-27T18:07:38.534-04:00"I am sure there are Bozo's out there who..."I am sure there are Bozo's out there who are abusing the tithe but I think they are a very small minority."<br /><br />What is your source for this statement?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14026629885031848362011-04-27T18:07:02.153-04:002011-04-27T18:07:02.153-04:00"The truth is some very fine Christian men an..."The truth is some very fine Christian men and women were not gullible mindless Christians who did search scripture and came to the conclusion that the tithe was biblical can still be trusted to handle God's word."<br /><br />In that case, you should be able to use their same points and present a coherent logical case for NT tithing. <br /><br />You have already admitted that you can't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75316976230660396872011-04-27T18:05:03.312-04:002011-04-27T18:05:03.312-04:00"AMEN - That includes mine and yours."
..."AMEN - That includes mine and yours."<br /><br />The difference is that I'm not relying of a list of men to validate prove my point. I'm using scripture interpreted correctly and in context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73098858861847679832011-04-27T18:03:25.996-04:002011-04-27T18:03:25.996-04:00"As Christians, why should we be offended if ..."As Christians, why should we be offended if someone asks us about our life squaring with scripture? I continue to believe it is possible for clear thinking Christians who love God and want to know truth can rest on supporting the tithe."<br /><br />Yes, if they ignore the inconsistencies and contradictions. <br /><br />It would also be helpful to consider the source. I would say it is much more likely to do the former if your salary is coming from the preaching of the tithe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-99523539142365702011-04-27T18:00:53.169-04:002011-04-27T18:00:53.169-04:00"Jon we have already covered this topic. Men&..."Jon we have already covered this topic. Men's opinions do not decide the truth of the Bible - no matter who they are"<br /><br /><br />AMEN - That includes mine and yours.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34076740334013926782011-04-27T17:59:46.611-04:002011-04-27T17:59:46.611-04:00"Truth is always important. Otherwise the Bib..."Truth is always important. Otherwise the Bible wouldn't have told us to contend for it earnestly."<br /><br />The truth is some very fine Christian men and women were not gullible mindless Christians who did search scripture and came to the conclusion that the tithe was biblical can still be trusted to handle God's word.<br /><br />I am sure there are Bozo's out there who are abusing the tithe but I think they are a very small minority.<br /><br />This new book with a false message "Love Wins" is distorting a truth which should be contended for.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50540570897136821512011-04-27T17:59:38.248-04:002011-04-27T17:59:38.248-04:00"I'll stick with these men of God and not..."I'll stick with these men of God and not make tithing a dividing subject."<br /><br />Jon we have already covered this topic. Men's opinions do not decide the truth of the Bible - no matter who they are. I don't understand why you are going back to old positions that you have already abandoned in the past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com