tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post4762174287229283632..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Ergun Caner Resigns from Presidency of Brewton Parker CollegeFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger144125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50738942482699982402015-02-23T13:03:48.197-05:002015-02-23T13:03:48.197-05:00Twenty Four!
Count them.
24 long comments (some p...Twenty Four!<br />Count them.<br /><br />24 long comments (some pages long) from Jon L. Estes on just this one thread.<br /><br />One wonders how much Jon is accomplishing at his church when he spends this much time arguing with bloggers on this web site.<br /><br />In addition he hosts his own blog and probably leaves comments on other blogs as well.<br /><br />Is this the best use of your time Jon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65405349918258398832015-02-15T06:18:31.655-05:002015-02-15T06:18:31.655-05:00"Jon, but yet you claim to know this man'..."Jon, but yet you claim to know this man's heart"<br /><br />Not so. I am speaking as to what we do know as given in scripture. Do you know this man's heart (in context with the discussion)?<br /><br />You probably think you do as it seems you like very much to proclaiming you know my heart and are ready to heap condemnation om me.<br /><br />You seem to get to much enjoyment out of this. If you really thought I was lost, undone, evil is this the way you would approach me to make me want what you have? No thanks. I will stick with the Son of God (Jesus) who demonstrates grace and mercy. Much better company.<br /><br />Yet, I do thank you for reminding me that I do not always have to have the right answer or right friends or right theology as determined by a blog commentor.<br /><br />FYI - I am not attempting to honor any man. Disagreeing with your approach in discussing these persons does not mean I am in full support of them. If I have a beef with them, I will talk to them, as the Lord leads.<br /><br />I do love God, even when you want to make others think you know differently. What I do not love is your enjoyment of trying to find an evil someone under every rock. <br /><br />Maybe that is your agenda... your joy... your delight...<br /><br />So sad.<br /><br />Tom,<br /><br />I know this is no sweat off of your brow but I actually thought things might have gotten nicer from those who reply here. Obviously not.<br /><br />Different does not always mean bad or wrong. None of us corner the market on perfect theology / doctrine. Some things are non-negotiable but adding to what a man must believe for their salvation to be real (as is being done here) is beyond my desire to argue. Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50998957451746702652015-02-15T06:00:01.256-05:002015-02-15T06:00:01.256-05:00" Anonymous said...
Those three questions are..." Anonymous said...<br />Those three questions are a little sticky, however remember when someone is saved without knowledge of the attributes of God it can take some time to surrender one's opinion to the facts in the Bible. First, the person could be very young. Second, the person might not understand and needs someone to tell him/her i.e., Phillip and the Ethiopian. Third. the person could be an evolutionist and after conversion see more clearly. Just some thoughts from an old Bible believer."<br /><br />Good comments. Well thought out and shared. I hope my agreeing with you does not alienate you from some.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17492284716467336432015-02-13T23:29:48.396-05:002015-02-13T23:29:48.396-05:00Johnny Hunt doubles down on his support of Ergun C...Johnny Hunt doubles down on his support of Ergun Caner:<br /><br />https://twitter.com/johnnymhunt/status/566319066361892865Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2142739725293578062015-02-13T09:26:16.369-05:002015-02-13T09:26:16.369-05:00http://www.christianindex.org/9971.article New BP...http://www.christianindex.org/9971.article New BPC president says it's a miracle!Anon by choicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36313192975829459652015-02-11T11:46:53.432-05:002015-02-11T11:46:53.432-05:00Those three questions are a little sticky, however...Those three questions are a little sticky, however remember when someone is saved without knowledge of the attributes of God it can take some time to surrender one's opinion to the facts in the Bible. First, the person could be very young. Second, the person might not understand and needs someone to tell him/her i.e., Phillip and the Ethiopian. Third. the person could be an evolutionist and after conversion see more clearly. Just some thoughts from an old Bible believer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45246709188629917702015-02-11T11:43:46.295-05:002015-02-11T11:43:46.295-05:00http://www.christianindex.org/9971.article
Read t...http://www.christianindex.org/9971.article<br /><br />Read this article about Charlie Bass's first speech at BPC--is it me or does he insinuate he left BPC a few years ago BECAUSE of Caner? The timing is perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83324206323197437692015-02-10T11:41:07.416-05:002015-02-10T11:41:07.416-05:00Jon,
There is not one comment on this thread with ...Jon,<br />There is not one comment on this thread with your name on it that even remotely gives honor to the Lord Jesus Christ. Yet you find an infinite supply of nonsense to honor those men who hate Him (EC & AS and just how long is the list of heretics that you approve?). Now you speak further nonsense about the thief on the cross. Tell us all Jon, when were you afforded a look inside this man's heart to see what he really believed? You ASSUME what you wish for the sake on an untenable argument so that your place on your pedestal may remain intact. The very fact of this ASSUMPTION totally negates the workings of the Holy Spirit to reveal the Lord Jesus in the heart of a sinner, so terribly presumptuous of you, Jon, but yet you claim to know this man's heart. HOW?<br /><br />You have shown nothing that resembles a God fearing man, but make great bluster for those that openly lie about Him and hate Him. It is excuse after excuse with you for those men and now for yourself. I realize that you have been blinded by the god of this world and cannot see your error (Matt. 13:14&15) and I do hope that the Lord will grant you the gift of repentance. Until then, may He keep you from dishonoring Him further with your mouth. <br /><br />Don't bother trying to "answer" any more questions, for up 'til now all you've done is squirt around them and have shown yourself to be in league with those who hate the Lord that you claim to love. Don't you understand that to side with evil men makes you just as evil as they are? No, I don't think you do.Darrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13394480152156186566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79975757390678622592015-02-10T10:43:21.971-05:002015-02-10T10:43:21.971-05:00Jon has a track record of being wrong on this blog...Jon has a track record of being wrong on this blog.<br /><br />He debated me and lost and then changed his position on both tithing and the meaning of touch not mine anointed. <br /><br />His support of fellow pastors at the expense of truth is just another case of history repeating itself.<br /><br />Take a look at the number of posts he has made on this thread.<br /><br />Seems to have an awful lot of spare time doesn't he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12646104741476553782015-02-10T09:47:21.269-05:002015-02-10T09:47:21.269-05:00Jon and Bill,
Why don't you fellows take your ...Jon and Bill,<br />Why don't you fellows take your "discussion" to your own blog sights and leave the discussions about Caner and his problems here on this web sight.<br /><br />Jon you seemed to have taken a lot of time discussing your point of view which no one is really interested in, especially me. And you wonder why folks say the things about you that they do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80786414503026438522015-02-10T08:00:08.321-05:002015-02-10T08:00:08.321-05:00Jon
At one time, I thought that we might be broth...Jon<br /><br />At one time, I thought that we might be brothers, but now I am skeptical. <br /><br />AS totally undermined the authority and harmony of scripture in the video, and you are defending him. What AS said makes absolutely no sense to anyone. <br /><br />He needed to speak clearly on the issue, yet chose to speak vaguely and muddy the waters which is never helpful in a post modern world. <br /><br />Jon, why would you choose to defend him and not ask for clarity? His statements are NOT orthodox in nature-he may mean them in an orthodox manner, but they are NOT orthodox statements<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />Romans 6:23Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86548454612357613342015-02-10T01:08:35.093-05:002015-02-10T01:08:35.093-05:00WOW!!!
I ask three questions and got an answer wh...WOW!!!<br /><br />I ask three questions and got an answer which is not biblical. Here are the three questions...<br /><br />Can someone have a saving relationship with Jesus and:<br /><br />1 - not believe in Creation as presented in the Bible? <br />2 - Not believe in the virgin birth?<br />3 - Not interpret the things of scripture the way you, or I do?<br /><br />To which Darrel responded with...<br /><br />1 - "NO..."<br />2 - "NO..."<br />3 - "NO..."<br /><br />I do believe the whole Bible to be truth without any mixture of error - inerrant in all it says, teaches and references...<br /><br />I do not try and read everything as if it an evil being spoken by someone I disagree with.<br /><br />I also do not condemn him to hell because he gets it wrong. I refuse to add to scripture what Jesus says one must do to be saved. I refuse to say that evangelicals who differ on interpretations are not saved. I am OK with leaving that judgment to God.<br /><br />I interpret AS's words differently than you do. He did not deny the creation but I would agree the way he stated it is does not make sense.<br /><br />Here is my problem with your answers... especially # 3.<br /><br />If a person cannot be saved without believing in creation, as given in scripture and does believe the virgin birth is an actual event then to make such a statement is going beyond what the Bible teaches one must do to be saved.<br /><br />Did the thief on the cross believe in the virgin birth? Creation?<br /><br /># 3 is where you seem to fall into a theological problem.<br /><br />You do not believe that someone can have a saving relationship with Jesus unless they interpret scripture the way you or I do. Yo say no. What if we differ on some interpretations?Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26184104474086270442015-02-09T16:36:12.870-05:002015-02-09T16:36:12.870-05:00I agree with you Darrel and that was my point. The...I agree with you Darrel and that was my point. The typical SBC pastor defends the status quo and only takes a stand against error when forced to do so. Back in the day, several of us called them denominational hacks<br /><br />Sorry for the delay, I was extremely busy at work <br /><br />Grace and peace<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />Romans 5:1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34127110881346594152015-02-09T12:32:12.968-05:002015-02-09T12:32:12.968-05:00Jon:
answers to your questions:
#1 NO John 5:4...Jon:<br />answers to your questions:<br />#1 NO John 5:46&46 it is impossible to believe the words of the Lord Jesus and call Moses a liar (AS did just that)<br /><br />#2 NO 1John 4:1-3 To believe that Jesus was not 'virgin born' is a direct assault on His character, AND His Godhood, and makes such a person an antichrist.<br /><br />#3 NO Eph. 4:4-6 and John 16:13. In typical post-Christian American fashion you have left the door wide open for all kinds of nonsense to be awarded the label of truth. You would have people believe that the Holy Spirit will teach one thing to one man and the direct opposite to another and then both are afforded the "blessing" of the Lord. This is most obvious in your continued acceptance and defense of the likes of Mr. Caner (a practiced, habitual, unrepentant liar that is bound for the Lake of Fire) and now you have turned your efforts to Andy Stanley. WHY? Do you really believe that just because he has a few seminary degrees to his credit and a few years of "service" and a father of somewhat dubious prestige that this entitles him to a pass on this error that he teaches as truth? Matt. 12:37 "For by your WORDS you will be justified and by your WORDS you will be condemned." Not your degrees, tenure, lineage, peer prestige, etc. Stanley has condemned himself and would you do likewise by siding with him? Caner has condemned himself and you, Jon, have defended him. Haven't you likewise condemned yourself?Darrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13394480152156186566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25873979707115068892015-02-09T12:06:33.961-05:002015-02-09T12:06:33.961-05:00I didn't know about the allegations against Be...I didn't know about the allegations against Ben until the day the article about it came out. <br /><br />I think that the situation with Ben was handled fairly, swiftly and was just. Racism in any form is evil and wrong. <br /><br />It's sad when society handles issues like this in the correct manner, while Christians and the church always drop the ball and attempt to minimize racism. We should take a look at how "the world" handles any form of racism. They have it right while we have it wrong and act as if it doesn't exist in the church when we are the worst offenders.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60449045435666623562015-02-09T07:31:41.767-05:002015-02-09T07:31:41.767-05:00Bill - Do you consider Andy Stanley a typical SBC ...Bill - Do you consider Andy Stanley a typical SBC pastor?<br /><br />I do not know of anyone who would agree with such a label for him.<br /><br />As for the video you asked me to look at. I did. He does not deny Creation (Adam and Eve...). He states clearly that many people see these things as a myth... many people do not understand them... He believes in Adam and Eve (Creation) because Jesus refers to them.<br /><br />His approach to address this is different than I would approach it but I can see how it might be a way to approach it if one is speaking with another who is confused with these things and your goal is to present Jesus.<br /><br />Can someone have a saving relationship with Jesus and:<br /><br />1 - not believe in Creation as presented in the Bible? <br />2 - Not believe in the virgin birth?<br />3 - Not interpret the things of scripture the way you, or I do?<br /><br />I think he was very clear in that the foundation of our faith is not in the book or the inerrancy of scripture... but in Jesus Christ. Make Christ the go to for all things.<br /><br />I am not an AS fan but the clip you pointed to does not support what you are claiming.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78543872532495950242015-02-09T05:28:16.318-05:002015-02-09T05:28:16.318-05:00Jon
I have many nice things to say about a lot if...Jon<br /><br />I have many nice things to say about a lot if people. <br /><br />My point is now that Andy Stanley had denied creationism what SBC leader is going to take up the mantle and call him out? Will you?<br /><br />If you are unsure, go to youtube, Andy Stanley vs Bible = fail<br /><br />Thete are very few who will call him out publicly-will you?<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />Romans 5:1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42720240852526649222015-02-08T06:05:19.755-05:002015-02-08T06:05:19.755-05:00Bill - I do not personally know any typical pastor...Bill - I do not personally know any typical pastors, if the definition you give is true. I do know some very godly and "reach the lost at all costs" pastors.<br /><br />Sure we read of some who might fit your definition but I would not call any of them typical.<br /><br />Can you try and say one good thing about any pastor you disagree with or have chosen not to like?Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33563658436283254482015-02-08T01:02:50.960-05:002015-02-08T01:02:50.960-05:00Caner is being held accountable for ten years of l...Caner is being held accountable for ten years of lies and utter foolishness. Many pastors and many in Christian leadership are sick and tired of his unwillingness to set the record straight and behave like a person who is actually saved. <br /><br />Let us not forget that this man has caused a lot of pain for a lot of people. His firing spree at BPC has left a lot of damage. <br /><br />There is an old Southern saying.....<br /><br />"If you make you bed hard, you've got to lie in it."<br /><br />If pastors, churches and trustee boards flat-out REFUSE to vet who is going to stand in their pulpits or lead their Christian educational institutions, then they have tossed aside the standards and responsibilities required in the Word of God. <br /><br />God's Word has standards. There are sins with consequences. There are guidelines. God's word is full of mercy, but it's also full of judgment. However, most churches refuse to deal with the judgment issue. <br /><br />When a pastor has someone to speak in their church who CLEARLY and WILLFULLY does not follow the scriptures, it is WRONG for them to subject the congregation to a morally bankrupt person. It is ungodly and the Lord is not pleased with foolish decisions. <br /><br />When a trustee board reviews presidential candidates for a Christian college or university and this candidate CLEARLY and WILLFULLY does not follow the scriptures, then they do NOT need to subject the staff, the professors or the students to a morally bankrupt person. God is not pleased with foolishness and a double-minded man in leadership will only cause problems for himself and others, eventually leading an institution down a path of destruction. <br /><br />James 1:8 - King James Version (KJV)<br /><br />"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."<br /><br />This is not a case of ....."Well, bless his heart, we're all sinners.....he made a little mistake....." This is a man with several college degrees, to include his online doctorate from South Africa. This is a man who has written a book, who has been pastor of a church, who has been dean of a seminary, etc. etc. This is a man who should know better. <br /><br />Men in leadership, and even pastors, have become negligent. It's absolutely mind-boggling and downright embarrassing. <br /><br />We live in a "selfie" and self-centered world, not a Christ-centered world. This mindset has grossly affected the church. It's more important to be "hip" and "cool" than it is to actually follow the teachings of the Bible. <br /><br />Men of God need to quit ignoring when there is a fox in the hen house. Stand up and SAY SOMETHING. Having the courage to identify a problem or even trouble is not always popular, but very necessary. <br /><br />"Oh, but if I say something, they'll call me a hater....." "They'll say that I'm too judgmental." <br /><br />In all honesty......how long do you think Caner would last in a corporation or in a secular institutional environment? Seriously. The CEO of a corporation couldn't put up with his brand of foolishness, at least, not for long. It would destroy the company. <br /><br />Why is the Christian church willing to put up with dishonest people in their pulpits and in their institutions? This is a question that BEGS to be asked. What has happened to the modern church that SO MANY are willing to risk their own reputations for a religious circus act?<br /><br />Has the church lost ALL ability to utilize critical thought and reasoning? <br /><br />Has the church lost ALL ability to raise a question? <br /><br />Has the church lost ALL ability to identify the wolf in sheep's clothing? <br /><br />Proverbs 12:22-23 - King James Version (KJV)<br /><br />22 Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.<br /><br />23 A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63267423691742847602015-02-07T22:39:35.729-05:002015-02-07T22:39:35.729-05:00Jon, you are probably too young to remember Jackie...Jon, you are probably too young to remember Jackie Robinson and Rocky Marciano as well as Dr Bob Jones Sr and some real preachers back in the 1940's and early 50's. Those were real heroes and they have not and probably never will be again. Don't take things personally and you will live longer and enjoy life much easier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23783756839076560472015-02-07T22:14:24.753-05:002015-02-07T22:14:24.753-05:00This appears to be a thinly veiled article about t...This appears to be a thinly veiled article about the Ergun Caner/CB Scott situation by Jared Moore.<br /><br />http://sbcvoices.com/how-to-respond-when-a-ministry-leader-is-caught-in-disqualifying-sin/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55194726288216379842015-02-07T21:09:24.883-05:002015-02-07T21:09:24.883-05:00The typical SBC pastor will do nothing to hide tru...The typical SBC pastor will do nothing to hide truth and protect the status quo which is why we are in this mess<br /><br />The typical SBC pastor cares nothing about the Kingdom od God-only themselves and their own "ministries"<br /><br /><br />Bill<br /><br />Romans 5:1<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81756371632382669142015-02-07T19:04:24.975-05:002015-02-07T19:04:24.975-05:00there are no perfect people. ya'll we are all...there are no perfect people. ya'll we are all sinners. you ever hear that song broken together by casting crowns...it can go for everyone of us. that's why i no longer agree with this blog...what if someone exposed all your lives like this? it just doesn't feel like it's done for the right reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21755855677996647212015-02-07T11:48:55.203-05:002015-02-07T11:48:55.203-05:00And some men's heroes are practiced, habitual,...And some men's heroes are practiced, habitual, unrepentant liars whose eternal fate is the Lake of Fire. So which is worse, the white washed tomb or the one who brushes off the dirt that came from the inside in order for the tomb to appear clean to onlookers?Darrelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13394480152156186566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22093266737192128742015-02-07T01:39:19.647-05:002015-02-07T01:39:19.647-05:00Jon - darn. I am absolutely crushed that I'm n...Jon - darn. I am absolutely crushed that I'm not your hero.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.com