tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post538265511536645055..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Christian, You Have Been Released from Servitude to God - Part 2FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62605031120610999422013-07-16T13:56:25.477-04:002013-07-16T13:56:25.477-04:00Jesus said it best, in Luke 2:49 and John 2:16 fro...Jesus said it best, in Luke 2:49 and John 2:16 from the King James Version.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74780761578671251542013-07-16T13:55:10.176-04:002013-07-16T13:55:10.176-04:00I believe Jesus says it best, in Luke 2:49, and Jo...I believe Jesus says it best, in Luke 2:49, and John 2:16 from the King James Version. God's Evangelist Linda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40505503364047522322011-07-29T01:56:26.611-04:002011-07-29T01:56:26.611-04:00'We do things for God out of our love not due ...'We do things for God out of our love not due to an obligation.'<br /><br />How do you explain Luke 17:10?<br /><br />July 29, 2011 12:33 AM<br /><br />It means you like to proof text instead of looking at the pericope of what the New Covenant teaches. It also means that Jesus said not everyone would understand his parables and He spoke them for that reason:<br /><br />10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. 11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that <br /><br /><br /> ‘ Seeing they may see and not perceive,<br /> And hearing they may hear and not understand;<br /> Lest they should turn,<br /> And their sins be forgiven them.’”<br /><br />Mark 4<br /><br />Keep studying. Because the more you "try" to please God, the more you find He does not dwell within you. And when He does dwell within you, you won't want to boast aoout your works or servitude anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77664526943087481212011-07-29T00:33:29.295-04:002011-07-29T00:33:29.295-04:00'We do things for God out of our love not due ...'We do things for God out of our love not due to an obligation.'<br /><br />How do you explain Luke 17:10?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7336844467202304522011-07-28T16:41:45.490-04:002011-07-28T16:41:45.490-04:00Robert, lyrics aren't scripture. Maybe this mi...Robert, lyrics aren't scripture. Maybe this might help explain it, you do things by the Lord working through you as a result of beng born again. Fruit grows on trees as a result of life in the tree. The tree does not 'have' to bear fruit, it is a natural occurrence. We do things for God out of our love not due to an obligation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82417742776208231812011-07-28T07:41:40.753-04:002011-07-28T07:41:40.753-04:00We are adopted as children of God, having accepted...We are adopted as children of God, having accepted His gift of grace and love. Because of His love for us, we love Him.<br /><br />As in any love relationship, a Christian seeks to further the interests (desires, will) of the One who is loved. So we are bound by love to serve. It is a bond of love, not an indenture, and we are children not slaves.<br /><br />The language from Roman times in the writing of Paul and others of the time includes this idea. It was a pattern among Romans of a certain stature, to purchase the freedom of one in servitude (redemption) and adopt him as a son. Sometimes the same pattern occurred with respect to a slave acquired by conquest.<br /><br />Ben Hur includes the adoption of the ptotagonist as a son of a powerful Roman because Ben Hur had rescued him in the aftermath of a sea battle.Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83594502929644929982011-07-28T07:29:47.598-04:002011-07-28T07:29:47.598-04:00In regards to tithing and giving, for me personall...In regards to tithing and giving, for me personally, the positive approach would work best. I respond well to something like, "And now we'll give you an opportunity to help us with the expenses of this fellowship"-something like that. It's straightforward, SHORT, not overbearing, nothing to do with pleasing God, avoiding his payback if you don't give, etc.<br /><br />Thinking of it in terms of parent and child, the negative approach would be like if I said to my son, "Hey, I took care of you for 18 years, and you owe me big-time, Buddy!" Makes me cry to think of such a scenario. I took care of my son because I LOVED him. He doesn't owe me for it. I did it because I loved him, wanted the best life possible for him, wanted him to be a good, decent person when he's all grown up. And if he messes up, I'm not taking him out of the will. He's my SON.<br /><br />As we all know, you can justify practically anything using the Bible. But aside from that, I think the point of Wade's sermon was for people to take the load off their backs and simply realize that they are a SON. If you're a son, then you're a son. It's nothing to do with what you are doing or not doing. Just as my son will always be my son, whether he turns out wonderful or awful.<br /><br />And on a practical note-people like to be in charge of their own money. They don't like for another person to tell them what they should be doing with it. That's just a fact.<br />And I see nothing wrong with that. And if you stay positive as a pastor, I'd bet your church will give more. They'll feel good, and how we feel influences how generous we are. It's been shown in psychology-when a person has just been the recipient of a good deed, they are very likely to shortly do a good deed to someone else. Reciprocity-it's what people are all about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16136911811471535742011-07-28T01:42:39.494-04:002011-07-28T01:42:39.494-04:00Only fear the Lord and serve Him in truth with all...Only fear the Lord and serve Him in truth with all your heart: for consider how great things He has done for you. 1 Samuel 12:24Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81029129035098873572011-07-28T01:07:49.046-04:002011-07-28T01:07:49.046-04:00Robert - you don't get it, and I feel for you,...Robert - you don't get it, and I feel for you, brother, more than you know. I have blogged for 4 years on FBC Jax and Mac Brunson and multitudes of other topics. Mac and Gaines and some of the other mega church pastors featured on this blog, are hurting the gospel, and I'll continue to blog about them. Your comments of being obsessed are just more of the same that I've heard. Your comments here about me reveal a lot about you and your church, and your pastor. You have learned well.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65533541704245868022011-07-28T00:58:24.651-04:002011-07-28T00:58:24.651-04:00Friend, If you were ever taught the truth of regen...Friend, If you were ever taught the truth of regeneration or sanctification, you would get it.<br /><br />Salvation is a supernatural work of God. He does change our nature through sanctification. But it would... look like loserville to you....and Mac.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46409333427439300072011-07-28T00:39:50.551-04:002011-07-28T00:39:50.551-04:00"I was not diagnosing anything Tom. 5 years a..."I was not diagnosing anything Tom. 5 years and you still talk about the man, even after you willingly left his church. You can't get past Mac Brunson and that's obvious."<br /><br />Oh Tom is so right to point out the works doctrine that Mac teaches. A works doctrine that benefits him and makes followers after himself...no matter how much you disagree. it is true. Mac is the CEO of a corporation that makes merchandise of the Gospel. <br /><br />Come home to Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36881088193602195052011-07-28T00:36:34.550-04:002011-07-28T00:36:34.550-04:00Friends, If you are truly saved He has it all. He ...Friends, If you are truly saved He has it all. He dwells within you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50516615333989239892011-07-28T00:35:03.239-04:002011-07-28T00:35:03.239-04:00"" And with this new life, I'm expec..."" And with this new life, I'm expected to make it count and return the love of Jesus that was shown to me to others, through servitude and sacrifice."<br /><br />You still do not get it, friend. It is not something you 'do'. It is something you 'are'. Because you are a new creature, born again. it is no sacrifice. It is pure joy.<br /><br />I am not sure it is something you can really understand while surrounded by the works mentality where you are. It makes one boast of oneself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27552378379898524262011-07-28T00:14:45.707-04:002011-07-28T00:14:45.707-04:00Jesus paid it all.......
ALL TO HIM I OWE.........Jesus paid it all.......<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>ALL TO HIM I OWE.........</b><br /><br /><br /><br />Sin had left a crimson stain......<br /><br /><br />He washed it white as snow....... :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68812367918722850662011-07-28T00:06:30.795-04:002011-07-28T00:06:30.795-04:00Were the whole realm of nature mine,
That were a p...Were the whole realm of nature mine,<br />That were a present far too small;<br />Love so amazing, so divine,<br />Demands my soul, my life, my all!Pastor Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61329382262466012552011-07-28T00:00:53.706-04:002011-07-28T00:00:53.706-04:00Here's a question?
If we don't owe God an...Here's a question?<br /><br />If we don't owe God anything, then what is He supposed to get?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67558692897180392272011-07-27T23:59:34.090-04:002011-07-27T23:59:34.090-04:00I was not diagnosing anything Tom. 5 years and yo...I was not diagnosing anything Tom. 5 years and you still talk about the man, even after you willingly left his church. You can't get past Mac Brunson and that's obvious. No diagnosis necessary.<br /><br />I believe that I have freedom in Christ. But I don't think that releases me from servitude, as Wade has put it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49214785246722231202011-07-27T23:48:30.043-04:002011-07-27T23:48:30.043-04:00So I do not know Jesus Christ because I have a dif...So I do not know Jesus Christ because I have a different viewpoint on servitude? Wow anon. <br /><br />Jesus Christ is in me. And I owe Him everything because He gave everything to erase my sin and make it possible for me to live a new life harmoniously with the Father. And with this new life, I'm expected to make it count and return the love of Jesus that was shown to me to others, through servitude and sacrifice. And it's possible for anyone who has been redeemed to do this, with the help of the Holy Spirit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88166520859551920332011-07-27T23:45:17.502-04:002011-07-27T23:45:17.502-04:00I am always amused that mere humans boast of doing...I am always amused that mere humans boast of doing things..serving God.<br /><br />it is like your garden slug boasting of what he does for you.Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04723395060585207854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78317810477662473002011-07-27T23:42:02.893-04:002011-07-27T23:42:02.893-04:00* bound is wrong word..."indebted to" is...* bound is wrong word..."indebted to" is better.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70384205977371134662011-07-27T23:40:34.037-04:002011-07-27T23:40:34.037-04:00Robert - you've learned well from your pastor....Robert - you've learned well from your pastor. Diagnosing people's mental illnesses. Sad.<br /><br />I am engaging you on the topic. The topic is that you are free in Christ, and you are not bound to God and you don't owe God anything.<br /><br />I was making the freedom in Christ point to you by showing you that despite what your pastor tells you, you DO have freedom in Christ to come here and blog. You can read it, think about it, ponder it, respond, read, respond again. Or you can choose not to. You have chosen to. Good for you.<br /><br />Your pastor would tell you, no, you are sinning by doing this. But you know that is not true. <br /><br />You have freedom in Christ, friend.<br /><br />And you don't do your church or your pastor any favors by coming here and giving me the same diagnosis he did in the Times Union. Not good, my friend.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82872119649600177762011-07-27T23:39:48.613-04:002011-07-27T23:39:48.613-04:00Let's just stick to the issue you have raised-...Let's just stick to the issue you have raised-servitude to God. Please explain to us how we as Christians, are released from servitude to God. I have argued that we aren't. You obviously disagree. Why?<br /><br />July 27, 2011 11:12 PM<br /><br />Released from the Law. <br /><br />Now the law is the law of love. Two greatest commandments mentioned quite a few times in the New Covenant. <br /><br />You cannot help but LOVE HIM when He lives in you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31849894838319190442011-07-27T23:38:56.953-04:002011-07-27T23:38:56.953-04:00Wade Burleson > The Labor and Toil Involved in ...<a href="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2008/08/labor-and-toil-involved-in-entering-his.html" rel="nofollow">Wade Burleson > The Labor and Toil Involved in Entering His Rest [8/29/2008]</a><br /><i>To enter Christ' rest involves a specific change within the heart. "For he that is entered into Christ’s rest , he also has ceased from his own works. Let us labor therefore to enter into His rest . . ." (Hebrews 4:11). Do you see the irony in that last verse? Let us "labor and toil" to enter His rest. The hardest thing you will ever do as a believer in Christ (your labor), the most difficult chore you will ever take on as a follower of Christ (your toil), the toughest task every one of us will face as one who trusts in Jesus Christ (your work) is to learn how to enter His rest. You must work at it.</i>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7142803292941765952011-07-27T23:36:35.046-04:002011-07-27T23:36:35.046-04:00"A man preaches about the freedom of believer..."A man preaches about the freedom of believers in Christ, and he is called a heretic, he is made fun of. "<br /><br />Because they are bound to humans and their own works. <br /><br />They need to go read matthew 6. They are too proud of their works and what they do. If they focused on the indwelling Holy Spirit they would be amazed at what happens but they would never in million years brag about doing works.<br /><br />Pray that they know the real Jesus and stop following what they think are 'men of God'. There are no "men of God' but only depraved sinners saved by the same grace.<br /><br />In fact, many of their actions/words only bear rotten fruit of not having the indwelling Holy Spirit. They would never preach works. But they must because it is really works tht benefit them.<br /><br />I had never really thought of baptism as a numbers game. How very sad that one commenter here sees it that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49335115397941292782011-07-27T23:24:09.440-04:002011-07-27T23:24:09.440-04:00"My wife and I have paid for everything my so..."My wife and I have paid for everything my sons and daughter have in this world so far, and they don't owe me a dime. They are my sons and my daughter. They are mine, and I love them and give freely, and they don't owe me one red penny"<br /><br />Good illustration. <br /><br /> I would like to ask Robert how he can owe something to Christ when Christ is supposed to be living in him. He seems to be serving a God that is seperate from him. That is not how it works. (works...get it)<br /><br />We are now, because of repentance and faith, sons (even women are, see Galatians) and we get the FULL inheritance NOW of the Holy Spirit. <br /><br />People in these churches do not know the real Jesus. It is astonishing how lacking in real understanding, commenters here from FBC Jax have in "knowing" Christ. <br /><br />Anything good that I ever do flows from the ONE who lives in me. It is not me. I cannot boast but only boast of Christ.<br /><br />Come home FBCJaxers. His yoke is easy and His burden light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com