tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5670377436646052921..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Alert: Members Need to Pay for Pastor's ConferenceFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11326823176687006532008-11-22T08:14:00.000-05:002008-11-22T08:14:00.000-05:00Tommy Nelson wrote the Song of Solomon materials t...Tommy Nelson wrote the Song of Solomon materials that teach you how to get your sex life in line with God's Word. I'm sure that is not the wording they use to describe it. That conference was at the church in recent years for the adults and also taught to the teens. He has written other Bible studies and is pastor of nondenominational Denton Bible Church.<BR/>You can google him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27072322187671718072008-11-21T16:34:00.000-05:002008-11-21T16:34:00.000-05:00RM said ... "Personally, I think Mac reads (or has...RM said ... <I>"Personally, I think Mac reads (or has a staff member) read every email that he gets. Also, I'm sure he has someone reading this blog everyday. His preaching is too well directed toward this blog for him not to be reading it."</I><BR/><BR/>WD said ... <I>"And as you point out RM, every single sermon - and I mean EVERY SINGLE SERMON - Mac is addressing this blog and the "persecution" he is under."</I><BR/><BR/>Pastor Mac is the one who is driving traffic to your site, WD. He is unable to control his emotions and it also tell me he is not scripting his sermons. This is actually a good thing, in my view. It tells me Pastor Mac is only being human and he is not manipulating. This is what I read from it.<BR/><BR/>So now, either he will become more transparent or he will clam up complaining about WD. I sincerely hope he becomes transparent. It ultimately will help him in the long run. Let him put his trust in Our Lord Jesus Christ, and let the chips fall where they may. As long as he willingly humbles himself to the Word and becomes a servant to the members, then the church will be healed.<BR/><BR/>I pray for that.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53009330434088442532008-11-21T16:10:00.000-05:002008-11-21T16:10:00.000-05:00RM - I agree that anonymous emails or blogs get no...RM - I agree that anonymous emails or blogs get nothing accomplished by themselves. However, increasing awareness of unsuspecting people DOES get things accomplished, but over time. Educating people, helping people connect the dots, DOES accomplish things over time. One person (especially an insignificant person with no position or power or prestige) identifying abuses at a church gets nothing done in a baptist church ruled by a pastor and a handful of trustees and yes-men deacons who are willing to go out and squelch any opposition. All it does is bring grief and agony on the person standing up and his/her family.<BR/><BR/>So I choose to take the "Mac Brunson" approach. He told the seminary students a few weeks ago: "You have to take the long view of ministry". Don't quit. Don't get discouraged when you're opposed. Don't thing everything is going to be rosy. So I am taking the LONG view here. I'm not out to change FBC Jax tomorrow or next month. I am willing to patiently, consistently, ANONYMOUSLY for the time being, point out the abuses of Donald M. Brunson. More people are becoming aware, and things at some point will begin to accelerate. This blog is making an impact. We even had a few deacons vote NO on the budget. However small that is, it is progress. How do I know? Because Mac even lashed out at "worrying deacons" in his sermons. And as you point out RM, every single sermon - and I mean EVERY SINGLE SERMON - Mac is addressing this blog and the "persecution" he is under. We are a people that have been trained to love and respect and trust and give bling loyalty to the pastor and lay leaders without having to ask any questions. That might work for 0.1% of the pastors, and we had that 0.1% for 40 years. But that system does not work for 99.9% of the pastors. Unfortunately Mac has decided to take advantage of our loyalty and trust. And I'm willing to be a part of helping people see it. If it takes a long time, so be it. And in the time being, if Mac ever decided to repent and stop abusing us, and start loving us, and apologizing for a few things, and becoming more open and honest with us, hey, maybe the blog could actually become IRRELEVANT! Imagine that!! I would love for that to happen. <BR/><BR/>And by the way RM...if I posted my name and picture tomorrow on this blog, it would mean nothing. Most readers, even at FBC Jax would say, "Who's that?" or "HE'S the Watchdog, that insignificant nothing at the church?". I'm a nobody, have no special credibility in my name or position or title. All it would serve to do is bring the wrath of many men at the church who want to apply pressure to me to get this blog shut down.<BR/><BR/>So for now: anonymous. <BR/><BR/>We have to take the long view. <BR/><BR/>Slow but steady.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7844467539020765592008-11-21T15:27:00.000-05:002008-11-21T15:27:00.000-05:00To be honest I have a real problem wanting to alwa...To be honest I have a real problem wanting to always remain anonymous. You're never going to get anything changed or done that way. Surely they can't do anything to you that you can't handle. Be man enough to stand up for who you are and then I think you'll start seeing some results. Anonymous emails will get absolutly nothing accomplished.<BR/><BR/>I do think we need to have a list of all the trustees and deacons and their emails published on here. Maybe some of them will read your anonymous emails even though Mac won't. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I think Mac reads (or has a staff member) read every email that he gets. Also, I'm sure he has someone reading this blog everyday. His preaching is too well directed toward this blog for him not to be reading it.RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10769726517498571207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42985192279744370352008-11-21T14:55:00.000-05:002008-11-21T14:55:00.000-05:00RM 11:59 AM: You keep trying to get people to sign...RM 11:59 AM: You keep trying to get people to sign their name to E Mails in order to be valid. What's up with that? People arn't stupid. What part of anonymous don't you get? Do you not understand no one is VALID with Mac and Co., unless you support them 100%. You must be a committed Kool Aid drinker!!! Give it up on trying to get us to reveal ourselves, are you kidding and be offered on the alter of an ego plagued opportunist.<BR/>I do however, agree that some way to get these complaints of this blog to pertinent people is necessary. I wonder if anonymously,somehow(?), the billboard at the east parking garage could be rented with Watchdogs website displayed on it. This would sure get some attention. Everyone would see that, not just the "powers".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57597029722533323562008-11-21T14:49:00.000-05:002008-11-21T14:49:00.000-05:00Ravi Z is Ravi Zacharias. One of the foremost Chri...Ravi Z is Ravi Zacharias. One of the foremost Christian apologists in America.<BR/><BR/>Maybe if you weren't spending so much time sowing dissention you would know these things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10094927262410391352008-11-21T13:39:00.000-05:002008-11-21T13:39:00.000-05:00One thing I have noticed through commentary of oth...One thing I have noticed through commentary of others and witnessing FBCJ for years, is this: Preachers and some staff, trustess etc., try to blame church members(who are the church) for divisiveness in the body of believers. They for some reason consider the member a threat. When really, truthfully maybe the member just wanted to serve and support the pastor. But, the pastor being so full of himself created an enemy where there was none. Needless to say, the member loses. But, in most cases, as we now see, it is the ego ridden, dictator type preachers that divide the church. They pit members against members. They have members of their staff "sabotage" members that are in service to the Lord, ruining their worship, taking them out of service, and generally ruining the members reputation, because after all if the preacher wants them removed for whatever, then of course there MUST be something terribly wrong with the church member. This is wrong, and I consider it a defamation of character. God will judge one day and then the books will be open. Some pastors owe these members apologies. I am waiting!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31965247129674957312008-11-21T13:09:00.000-05:002008-11-21T13:09:00.000-05:00It had begun to become a show under Dr. Lindsay as...It had begun to become a show under Dr. Lindsay as well. Not as it became a couple of years after he passes away but it was nonetheless. <BR/><BR/>I guess my problem boiled down to this. The idea behind this conference according to that book all the members got for free on the history of FBC back in 2000 was for all these pastors to come see how First Baptist did things. I was not around for the most part in the 80's so maybe they came and actually saw that. By the time I showed up in the late 90's, all these pastors would come here and promptly get the wrong idea because they would see how we regularly do NOT do things! it was not typical for us to have music for an hour, songs after the service concluded, 2 and 2 and a half hour services, or special musical performances involving banners, everyone who could open their mouths, live "Jesus", and the lights being turned out. This is the first part of the performance and really covers about 85% of my problem with the conference. <BR/><BR/>The other 15% has already been alluded to, the back slapping good ole boy stuff that goes on. I will add to that "we southern baptist are truly the greatest bunch of folks ever and we should be proud of that, because anyone who isn't is missing out" that I have heard in so many ways over and over and over again when I attended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44015741764977326372008-11-21T12:39:00.000-05:002008-11-21T12:39:00.000-05:00Excuse please as I revert to previous blog. "Budge...Excuse please as I revert to previous blog. "Budget and New Trustees Approved". Arn't these the same old "foxes" in charge of the hen house and her eggs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17298265783372890222008-11-21T12:20:00.000-05:002008-11-21T12:20:00.000-05:00Dr. Lindsay would never believe this conference ha...Dr. Lindsay would never believe this conference has turned into this. He is the one that brought it here in the first place. It was for many years a spiritual conference, as he intended. But it has been taken over and turned into something worse than a sales convention. Mac and Co., may think they are fooling the church, and might be, but, they are not fooling God. I would not have to answer to God for this for anything. Money won't buy their way out of Gods wrath. No wonder God speaks in Rev. 3:l4-17: "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen; the faithful and true witness,the beginning of the creation of God;15: I know they works, that thou art neither cold nor hot;I would that thou wert cold or hot. 16: So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. 17: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13888680716906736252008-11-21T12:00:00.000-05:002008-11-21T12:00:00.000-05:00Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, some of thes...Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, some of these pastors (and wives) just come to this thing in order to get their churches to pay for a trip. Then they go shopping or sight seeing, maybe to St. Augustine for the day. Then show up at the "conference"(?) at night so they can say they went. Just a thought. But, except for getting their church to pay for the trip, I would go elsewhere, rather than listen to this stuff myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32719591650421520872008-11-21T11:59:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:59:00.000-05:00I think its a great idea for you to publish the em...I think its a great idea for you to publish the email addresses of your pastor, trustees, and deacons on this site. That way people can email them personally and maybe something will get done.<BR/><BR/>Just a little note: I would recommend you sign your real name and maybe you will have more validity in their eyes. <BR/><BR/>You never know. Give it a try!RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10769726517498571207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36809744116043559512008-11-21T11:54:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:54:00.000-05:00I don't know who he is.But you can be sure of one ...I don't know who he is.<BR/><BR/>But you can be sure of one thing.<BR/><BR/>He is a F.O.M.<BR/><BR/>Friend of Mac.<BR/><BR/>It is a show. Last year the show even included an infomercial with Jim Caviezel. A paid-for advertisement disguised as a "testimony".FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38096205154028691652008-11-21T11:51:00.002-05:002008-11-21T11:51:00.002-05:00I don't get around much. Who is Ravi Z. This is be...I don't get around much. Who is Ravi Z. This is beginning to look more like a Vegas production. We need the Huckabee show back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69552722848453740702008-11-21T11:51:00.001-05:002008-11-21T11:51:00.001-05:00Good point...Miller's organization is a client I b...Good point...Miller's organization is a client I believe of Maurilio.<BR/><BR/>If you go to Maurilio's Twitter, you'll see who his circle is...<BR/><BR/>But that is an EXCELLENT point.<BR/><BR/>Why in the world "Mike Miller"? <BR/><BR/>Why is he here?<BR/><BR/>Who is he?<BR/><BR/>We know he's buds with Mac and Maurilio...I'm sure they're all going to be selling their wares at the conference.<BR/><BR/>This whole process stinks the more we look at it.<BR/><BR/>But if you're Mac, its got to be GREAT!!! Our church has been hijacked for the use and benefit of "Mac and Friends"FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75356940776041597052008-11-21T11:51:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:51:00.000-05:00Here is the audio podcast of the interview: MAINST...Here is the audio podcast of the interview: <A HREF="http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/2007/02/podcast-mary-kinney-branson-interview.html" REL="nofollow">MAINSTREAM BAPTIST<BR/>The personal blog of Dr. Bruce Prescott: Podcast: Mary Kinney Branson Interview</A><BR/><BR/>The link in the FathersPress does not work for the audio podcast.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49807425675268640892008-11-21T11:45:00.001-05:002008-11-21T11:45:00.001-05:00Someone said Miller was Macs henchman in Dallas. W...Someone said Miller was Macs henchman in Dallas. What did he do, and what is his relevance here? No one has said what London, Farrar, and Nelson are coming here for. What are they selling? Are they clients of the A group also? I still feel like its an AMWAY pep rally. But AMWAY has good products. Only you have to pay to get in. Sad very Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5931540261303335932008-11-21T11:45:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:45:00.000-05:00Father's Press: Spending God's Money by Mary Kinne...<A HREF="http://www.fatherspress.com/content/view/35/1/" REL="nofollow">Father's Press: Spending God's Money by Mary Kinney Branson</A><BR/><I>"Dr. Bruce Prescott of the MAINSTREAM OKLAHOMA BAPTIST interviewed Mary Branson and said this about SPENDING GOD'S MONEY:<BR/><BR/>BRANSON'S LAW: Mary Kinney Branson's groundbreaking new book begins and ends with a statement that every Christian should learn about stewardship. She says: "It all boils down to a simple formula: The extent of misuse is directly proportionate to the distance between the giver and the spender." Mary is much too humble to call it this, but I think it should be called Branson's law. She has spent years agonizing and analyzing what goes wrong when Christian institutions become so large and so unaccountable to the people who fund them, that they lose touch with the higher purpose that they were intended to serve. Branson is not talking about geographical distance between the giver and the spender. She's not talking about organizational distance or social distance either. She is talking about the most fundamental distance possible in a religious community---spiritual distance. The spiritual distance is enormous between the humble widows who give their last mites for what they believe is God's work and the arrogant denominational executives and wanna-be mega-church preachers who spend their money to "brand" their names in the Christian marketplace. SPENDING GOD'S MONEY: EXTRAVAGANCE AND MISUSE IN THE NAME OF MINISTRY ought to be in the library of every church and on the bookshelf in every Christian home. Every church and every Christian has a responsibility to make sure that the resources they give to God's work are spent wisely."</I>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14871318876195388522008-11-21T11:35:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:35:00.000-05:00My two cents here ...The main sessions are free to...My two cents here ...<BR/><BR/>The main sessions are free to members (Sunday am/pm) and Monday/Tuesday PM services.<BR/><BR/>According to the website:<BR/>http://jaxpastorsconference.com/faq.html<BR/><BR/>Under "Premium Sessions" gives a reason why they are charging for those.<BR/><BR/>Here is an extract from that page ...<BR/><BR/><B>Why do the Premium Sessions cost money on top of the standard rate?</B><BR/><BR/><I>There is more to the Premium Session package than just the sessions, we usually give the attendees books from our speakers so you have something to take home with you to continue the education, we include specials from Dr. Brunson, we also throw in one sermon series from Dr. Brunson that includes all of the marketing pieces, art files, lessons, etc… We try and make this package worth much more than you spend on it.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>I would agree that the PC has become more of a show through the years. I have enjoyed the Monday/Tuesday night speakers. I am looking forward to Ravi Z on Sunday morning, that should be very good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1832496381419926182008-11-21T11:31:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:31:00.000-05:00Perhaps.But Mac is on a kick now to see who are th...Perhaps.<BR/><BR/>But Mac is on a kick now to see who are the "committed" and who are the "non-committed".<BR/><BR/>Making one pay lets you see who is committed. You gotta WANT IT to pay 50 bucks to occupy an empty seat in an audiorium at your church.<BR/><BR/>It all boils down to dollars. Mac hired Maurilio so he could make sure that he is maximizing all revenue possible. That allows maximum fleecing.<BR/><BR/>Baaaa..baaaaaa....ouch, you nicked me Mac!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64755811845593074842008-11-21T11:27:00.000-05:002008-11-21T11:27:00.000-05:00Has you considered maybe the $50 member charge is...Has you considered maybe the $50 member charge is for the purpose of keeping us away? <BR/>Just thinking...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61903428351258995612008-11-21T10:57:00.000-05:002008-11-21T10:57:00.000-05:00I lost respect early on for the PC., after about 5...I lost respect early on for the PC., after about 5 years it became a show. I began to see it as a "good ole' boy, back slapping event. The main purpose was to "brag" on each other, saying how great each one was. I remember being very disappointed in Vines strutting and hi-fiving. It was embarassing for the church. I wondered who they all were trying to convince of their importance. It occured to me "What does God think of this performance?"<BR/><BR/>Now I have a picture even worse. It looks like a bunch of greedy dogs after one bone. Running around desperate to convince attendees of their relevance. There is absolutely nothing spiritual happening at these conferences. And from what we know that goes on at some other conferences in the SBC, it's where Mac goes to complain about his own church. Who wants to pay for this tripe, not me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36475777487703403952008-11-21T10:01:00.000-05:002008-11-21T10:01:00.000-05:00Gods word IS free under most circumstances, but no...Gods word IS free under most circumstances, but not all. You can read your bible free of charge. You can go hear your pastor preach in church for free. You can turn on your radio and hear all the preaching you want for nothing. <BR/><BR/>However, you can't go to Books a Million, Family Christian Stores, or most anywhere else and walk out with a bible without paying for it under the guise that "God's word should be free." <BR/><BR/>To the person who asked if I was a member and giving the idea that somehow that makes my opinion any less valid, why is it when people who live out of town and don't attend make comments agreeing, there opinion is valid, but mine in disagreement is invalid? I am a former member of FBC, have many friends who still attend, have been to churches including that one that charge for extra events, and special gatherings. It is not a big deal to me, sorry if you don't agree. And I would feel this way regardless of whether I was member there or not. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I do not like the Pastor's Conference. I never did. To me, it's whole premise of what it was designed for was ruined years ago when it became more of a performance than it was showing pastors how FBC did things. Then with groups of people being almost forced into participating in the last few years. I know no one asked my opinion of any of it, but I felt best to get it out so at least when you attack my position and claim I have no right to my opinion, you have it all out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28089363724298212972008-11-21T09:53:00.000-05:002008-11-21T09:53:00.000-05:00Anon 12:36I understand that, and it sounds logical...Anon 12:36<BR/><BR/>I understand that, and it sounds logical.<BR/><BR/>HOWEVER...my point is that allowing a member to come in to hear a speaker that is speaking to pastors costs the church NOTHING. If there is an empty seat, let me sit in it if I desire. If its a smaller venue and space is premium, sure, give the seats to the pastors. But if the venue is large enough, why charge a lay person $50 to hear something that is not necessarily geared to them anyways? And furthermore: why pay Maurilio to set up a special registration just for members? Its there to maximize revenue, make even a church member pay to come listen to a speaker. Get every dollar you can from the "giving units" of the church.<BR/><BR/>So its an empty seat, and allowing a member to take the seat neither displaces a revenue generating customer, or increases the costs of the event. Not a big deal perhaps, but for some seniors who might want to come during the day, $50 is pretty steep.<BR/><BR/>But is about marketing, pricing strategies, promotions. When analyzing any of these decisions, you have to think like a shrewd businessman, because that is what Mac and Maurilio are.<BR/><BR/>They are allowing seminary students to come free ("scholarshipping" them). This is smart marketing. Seminary students are VERY price sensitive since they don't have a church to pay for their expenses to attend (and knowing they can watch the sessions at night free on a streaming session - don't be suprised if there is a streaming black out Monday and Tuesday night of PC). While I'd like to think this is a noble decision on Mac and Maurilio's part to help seminary students, its really a smart, shrewd pricing strategy. Lower the price to those that are very price sensitive - to ZERO if necessary if it means that you can capture the customer who WILL pay later. So absolutely...get as MANY of the seminary students here...even approach church members, the "giving units" of the church, to get their wallets out to do "God's will" and pay for seminary students' expenses and registration!! This is another way to tap again into the "giving units" of the church to increase revenue, but even better: WHEN THE SEMINARY STUDENT GRADUATES AND IS EMPLOYED BY A CHURCH, THEY WILL CONVINCE THE CHURCH TO PAY FOR THEM TO COME TO THE CONFERENCE!! And they will bring their wives who will pay for the women's registration, and they will bring staff members. <BR/><BR/>So it is masterful marketing - nothing really creative, businesses employ these pricing strategies and many others all the time to maximize revenue and build brand loyalty.<BR/><BR/>Take a look at the pricing of the promotions - the "Platinum Level", "Silver Level", etc....all pricing strategies to attract advertisers to the conference.<BR/><BR/>One un-related thought about the A-Group: FBC Jax, you must remember this, very important: Mac and Debbie and Trey are Maurilio's clients, NOT FBC Jax. Maurilio is interested in Mac first, FBC Jax 2nd (maybe Honey 2nd and Trey 3rd, then FBC Jax). That is crucial to understand. This is what makes the use of THIS church marketing group so terrible...because they are beholden to Mac. They were brought here by Mac even before he showed up nearly 2 months after we voted him in. The A-Group was with Mac in Dallas. They work with Mac on his image and his personal brand. In hiring the A-Group there was no open bid, there was no examination by the men of our church of several "church marketing firms" (assuming we needed one in the first place!) to determine which is the best one for us that will meet our needs and serve us best. The A-Group was brought on board WITH Mac...as an EXTENSION of Mac. And it was evident that this was a condition of Mac's employment, since it was just days after we voted to have him as our pastor that our website and church marketing was handed to Maurilio. You see, if you hire a marketing firm, they need to have the CHURCH as the client, not the leader of the church. The more I see of Team Brunson in action, the more we are mirroring the fiasco of the North American Mission Board under Bob Reccord. Read Mary Branson's book "Spending God's Money", and you will see what I mean.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29149751036385674492008-11-21T09:11:00.000-05:002008-11-21T09:11:00.000-05:00It could be that the fee is used the help pay the ...It could be that the fee is used the help pay the speakers. Surely the speakers are getting paid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com