tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5692347111869038066..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: One Bright Spot in the Gilyard StoryFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11435237311562486122007-12-28T10:44:00.000-05:002007-12-28T10:44:00.000-05:00Stop comparing nasty pastors to good ones, what is...Stop comparing nasty pastors to good ones, what is WRONG with you? Not EVERYBODY is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Just every OTHERbody. BUT NOT EVERYBODY. Thank you for taking my advice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55212808961610062552007-12-27T15:45:00.000-05:002007-12-27T15:45:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... "I don't know Steve Gaines in pe...Anonymous said... <BR/><BR/>"I don't know Steve Gaines in person but I do read the anti-BBC blog and I can be pretty sure that none of them would approach him in a respectful manner. Read their posts--it tells you a lot about their attitudes."<BR/><BR/>December 27, 2007 10:01 AM<BR/><BR/>Dear Sir or Madam,<BR/><BR/>You might be right. There may be some on the anti-sin NBBCOF blog who at one time or another might have gone off like a roman candle and forgotten their respectful ways. My difficulty has been in knowing how to act in a respectful way toward someone who behaves like a bully and doesn’t seem to care who gets hurt for the supposed glory of God? And Steve Gaines refuses to repent of his “my-way-or-the-highway” approach. And now it seems he doesn’t understand who or how he has hurt anyone. Screaming may not be respectful but pardon me while I scream! Well back to your comment.<BR/><BR/>Unless you are known as a sold-out supporter of Steve Gaines you will not get an audience. You will have every opportunity to speak with David Coombs instead. To my thinking this is like talking to the “butler”. If you enjoy listening to yourself speak in the company of another give Dave a call I am almost certain he will oblige.<BR/><BR/>In the mean time thousands of Bible teachers and lay-leaders who use to be at Bellevue Baptist are now serving in other churches all around the Mid-South area. Church after church is welcoming many of the dearest: Christ following, biblically obedient, gifted teachers and workers in the region…. This for the glory of God!<BR/><BR/>And the “nasty” “disrespectful” bloggers caused all this “shame”. Yea, right!<BR/><BR/>And God woke up when?<BR/><BR/>Watchdog….. Please keep up your honorable efforts to serve the followers of Christ at FBC Jacksonville and all those churches and members who will benefit anywhere in the world.<BR/><BR/>PadrocAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17727409719413857002007-12-27T10:10:00.000-05:002007-12-27T10:10:00.000-05:00I just read the article that anti-BBC quoted and i...I just read the article that anti-BBC quoted and its pretty accurate. By the way, I knew or know all the men mentioned in the article as well as Adrian Rogers. Let me assure you, they would definitely be the ones that decided that Charles Stanley could keep his pastorate. They were the decision makers without any doubt and everyone was expected to bow down to their every wish and commaned. The sad thing is that Adrian Rogers was most definitely a participating member of that select group.<BR/><BR/>Another note, Joel Gregory brought much of his demise upon himself. Having an affair while pastor of FBC, Dallas would tend to do that. He's a really good guy though but slight strange in some his little quirks but then, aren't we all? I shudder to think how Joel would have fared if bloggers had existed in his day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62385661811822152942007-12-27T10:01:00.000-05:002007-12-27T10:01:00.000-05:00I don't know Steve Gaines in person but I do read ...I don't know Steve Gaines in person but I do read the anti-BBC blog and I can be pretty sure that none of them would approach him in a respectful manner. Read their posts--it tells you a lot about their attitudes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55749158021520982802007-12-27T01:00:00.000-05:002007-12-27T01:00:00.000-05:00anon 7:36,Here's an interesting article describing...anon 7:36,<BR/><BR/>Here's an interesting <A HREF="http://baptistblog.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/the-election-of-jerry-rankin/" REL="nofollow">article</A> describing what you're talking about.<BR/><BR/>anon 11:36 wrote:<BR/><BR/><I>"I do not know of any pastor that would refuse to meet with one of his flock in person if that person asks in a respectful manner."</I><BR/><BR/>Then obviously you don't know Steve Gaines of Bellevue Baptist in Memphis.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72352203573453919422007-12-26T23:36:00.000-05:002007-12-26T23:36:00.000-05:00I know both Jerry Vines and Paige Patterson person...I know both Jerry Vines and Paige Patterson personally and they are definitely two personalities but sometimes use the same tactics. I have always found Jerry to be gracious and I have NEVER found Paige to be gracious nor considerate. He has an ego that wouldn't fit in any room I know of.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I do not know ANY pastor who pays any attention to anonymous emails. If you are a viable member of a church either sign your name (and probably get an answer) or better yet, call and make a personal appointment to visit with the pastor in person. I do not know of any pastor that would refuse to meet with one of his flock in person if that person asks in a respectful manner. <BR/><BR/>Try it folks--you might like it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65669797328097294962007-12-26T19:36:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:36:00.000-05:00Coincidence or not? All three mega churches in Ja...Coincidence or not? All three mega churches in Jacksonville, and the fourth mega in Cordova, all have Jerry Vines and Paige Patterson as mentors/advice givers? These guys led the conservative take over and are using the same tactics on their own flock as they used on the so called "liberals?" Just askin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87646405552653754582007-12-26T19:33:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:33:00.000-05:00Mr.Dog - one of the things they all have in common...Mr.Dog - one of the things they all have in common is they have ignored anonymous emails from members and have tried to silence those asking questions. Bellevue and Team Brunson have tried and failed by taking an agressive, stubborn approach. It hasn't worked at either church. (Not enough facts to comment on Gilyard, but we will find out soon enough. And we do know how one pastor was treated, even though HE DID PUT HIS NAME ON IT!)<BR/><BR/>I can assure you, if I could simply email Mac Brunson anonymously and get his response to my questions, I would have no reason to blog about him or the answers he gave me. But if he tries to get others to silence me because he chooses not to respond to my anonymous email, then he is going to have to deal with this blog and others every day for the rest of his ministry in Jacksonville.<BR/><BR/>My suggestion...? Hey Mac - stand up one Sunday, apologize for ignoring anonymous emails, and declare you will start replying to them if the content shows that the person is most likely a member with legitimate concerns. Then, what reason would ANYONE have to blog? Are you too busy? Too arrogant? Or too Stupid?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79443647311079139292007-12-26T19:26:00.000-05:002007-12-26T19:26:00.000-05:00ladyt - that is only one piece of the puzzle. I ca...ladyt - that is only one piece of the puzzle. I can understand giving these pastors free reign and letting them lead. I certainly don't think others should be telling them what to do. However, like the watchdog has said many times on this blog, the big problem is that there is no one either willing, or able, to hold them accountable when it comes to financial matters. They then begin to abuse the trust and love poured on to the position of pastor, build personal and family wealth, put private family needs above the organizations, and live like rock stars, sign autographs, and think they can ignore members' concerns. The idol worshippers, yes men and blissfully ignorant have no problem with this, but if a question is asked by some discerning members, no answers wil be forthcoming and that member will be removed or silenced.<BR/><BR/>Vines and Lindsay handled this adoration with class and humility and integrity, and like Jim Whitmire is doing now. Therefore, it shouldn't be an issue. But when you have guys with poor judgment, who are not on the same spiritual maturity level, questions get asked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30317508987058775462007-12-26T18:55:00.000-05:002007-12-26T18:55:00.000-05:00The problem is pastors at mega churches are allowe...The problem is pastors at mega churches are allowed to run everything. They are given so much free reign, that the idea of anyone telling them what they can and cannot do is frowned upon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48682233424558233092007-12-26T13:02:00.000-05:002007-12-26T13:02:00.000-05:00Fair question Anon - instead of giving you the ans...Fair question Anon - instead of giving you the answer...why don't you think about it and make the connection yourself. I'll be writing more on this subject later, but maybe you can think for yourself and make the connection.<BR/><BR/>Question for readers: What is the root of the problems at these three mega churches in Jacksonville?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28035715085587554742007-12-26T12:48:00.000-05:002007-12-26T12:48:00.000-05:00I am trying to understand the numberous recent pos...I am trying to understand the numberous recent postings of a pastors problems in another church on a blog dedicated to FBC Jax.<BR/><BR/>Are you trying to convey the message that there are parallels in how it is being handled or parellels between the two pastors character or both?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55265314464062559002007-12-26T09:24:00.000-05:002007-12-26T09:24:00.000-05:00Shiloh was warned about Gilyard by leadership in T...Shiloh was warned about Gilyard by leadership in Texas. Nothing racist about it but African American churches are historically more willing to forget sins of this nature.<BR/><BR/>Jacksonville was warned about Mac Brunson. They were warned about the very things you discuss here on this Blog. However knowing a couple of people in FBCJAX it seems the concerned are only s few right now. It will grow, you can only take so many unwarranted tongue lashing in place of a sermon. Dallas really did love Mac, he just wouldn't accept it. <BR/><BR/>We tried but it is refreshing to now have a Pastor full of integrity and transperancy. <BR/><BR/>We pray for you almost daily here in Dallas, we know as well as anyone what you are feeling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57470326833854813532007-12-26T01:26:00.000-05:002007-12-26T01:26:00.000-05:00Thank-you Pastor Harvey. Just knowing that there ...Thank-you Pastor Harvey. Just knowing that there are leaders like you who will take a stand has been an incredible encouragement to one very discouraged christian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com