tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5927374832857092056..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Even Emotional, "Common Sense" Tithing Appeals Make No SenseFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22696094661873874152013-10-23T01:27:29.206-04:002013-10-23T01:27:29.206-04:00This is a valid discussion. For me, I appreciate t...This is a valid discussion. For me, I appreciate that God owns it all... and I love Him. He's amazing!<br /><br />It's also worth noting how the OT merges into the NT - as Jesus said, not to cancel it out but to fulfill it. So the patterns we see in the OT come to a greater fruition in the NT. There used to be priests (like the ones referenced in Malachi), but now we're all a part of the priesthood of believers. Sometimes we can learn something as "today's priests" by understanding the expectations of "yesterday's priests." When I read Malachi, I try to extract the values behind it and figure out what God is saying to me/us today.<br /><br />Arguably, the 10% OT example is also meant to spur on more and not less. Tithing is the training wheels to a generous life. And stewardship is never just about personal stewardship but community stewardship. Even the Great Commission itself is evidence that we have a global calling that can begin right where we are.<br /><br />The other thing worth noting is not everyone has realized this, including people in the church. So getting people to give at all is a challenge, let alone helping them see how if they don't give there are consequences.<br /><br />If we were just arguing culturally, I like the metaphor of eating at a restaurant. Should I expect to have a dining experience and not pay the bill? If I'm the guest of someone, perhaps. But why would I expect that someone at the table next to me will always pick up the bill or that the owner of the restaurant will just exercise grace and not ask me to be responsible.<br /><br />But we're not just arguing culturally. We're asking a deeper question... why am I even struggling with giving? Because I don't like how it was asked for, or because I'm looking for a reason not to give? Likewise, why are we so eager to give - because we think we have to please God or a church... or because we're so amazingly grateful that we want to say, "I love you, God. I want to build in a regular routine of making sure that the spiritual needs around me can be met, and I believe in Your Church like You do. So I'm in."<br /><br />Thanks for letting me chime in. Maybe we can debate this some more, or maybe we can lean into God and say "Yes" to whatever He asks us to do with His stuff.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09708740292908302222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41671228360918113842013-01-13T12:47:33.607-05:002013-01-13T12:47:33.607-05:00I just heard on FBCJ this morning on the radio bro...I just heard on FBCJ this morning on the radio broadcast some of their tithing nonsense. Mac B. has also made us a nice little CD that they are handing out about tithing, and people can "listen to it on their way home" from church. I can't believe it. I have heard they they even try and have your tithes done as a payroll deduction from your paycheck--it this true?<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32841002397006693792012-11-14T13:32:34.340-05:002012-11-14T13:32:34.340-05:00First take your time and read this very slowly so ...First take your time and read this very slowly so that you understand, reread it if you have to. We are not against tithing. Again, we are not against tithing. <br /><br />If you have prayed and God the Holy Spirit has shown you that you are to give 10% then you are to give 10% and do so cheerfully.<br /><br /><br />What we do oppose is twisting and contorting and proof testing scripture and taking scripture totally out of context so as to make tithing an absolute requirement of all believers and to threaten believers with the wrath of an angry god if they don’t. <br /><br />Your teaching that tithing is required by God, takes God from being a loving heavenly father and turns him into a puny pagan deity that demands its tribute to prevent calamity or to prosper. You may as well demand virgin sacrifices too!WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60056404049284088252012-11-13T15:06:53.826-05:002012-11-13T15:06:53.826-05:00Sometimes more - sometimes less - always where the...Sometimes more - sometimes less - always where there is a need, always in cash. Not deducted from taxes or recorded in church records. It's fun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16736667653502989902012-11-08T10:48:18.895-05:002012-11-08T10:48:18.895-05:00Just wondering, do you anti-tithers give more or l...Just wondering, do you anti-tithers give more or less than 10%. I would venture to say that most that oppose tithing give very little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81331471287304544182012-11-06T11:16:48.282-05:002012-11-06T11:16:48.282-05:00Anonymous - Nov 5 6:00pm
"How would the chur...Anonymous - Nov 5 6:00pm<br /><br />"How would the church finance ministry without tithers?"<br /><br />With people giving freely as lead by God and in grace. With church leaders trusting God's provision for their plans and functions. If it is not provided for - it doesn't happen. <br /><br />Not by exhorting and enforcing misapplied old covenant law and practices to new covenant believers - the bride of Christ. <br /><br />Would things begin to be shaken out and not happen... most likely. But that may not be a bad thing. <br /><br />Much done in the name of God and Christianity is NOT originated, sustained, and of God. Carl Hendersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25180076225579444462012-11-05T18:00:43.213-05:002012-11-05T18:00:43.213-05:00How would the church finance ministry without tith...How would the church finance ministry without tithers? There are many ministers that receive a very humble salary and live a meager life. It isn't fair to stereotype all ministers as money hungry thieves. The church has ministry expenses such as utility bills, insurance, building & vehicle maintenance, etc. Much like your househould budget. Could you pay your bills without income? I think not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26288472366729847372012-11-05T17:52:28.613-05:002012-11-05T17:52:28.613-05:00I like many of you are sick and tired of being min...I like many of you are sick and tired of being ministers holding people hostage over money. But tell me how will the church finance ministry without givers? The truth is the church has to pay utility bills, insurance, property upkeep, vehicle maintenance, salaries, literature, benevolence... Without tithers where would that money come from. Someone please tell me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16944747507032388692012-11-05T17:48:46.272-05:002012-11-05T17:48:46.272-05:00I know some are going to blast my comment. But her...I know some are going to blast my comment. But here goes, in a world that requires money to finance endeavors, what is wrong with people tithing (money) for the financing of God's work. The church does have obligations such as utilities, upkeep, insurance, salaries, and the list goes on. My question, what is wrong with people tithing to support ministry???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83572626146620076662012-11-05T17:47:17.770-05:002012-11-05T17:47:17.770-05:00I know some are going to blast my comment. But her...I know some are going to blast my comment. But here goes, in a world that requires money to finance endeavors, what is wrong with people tithing (money) for the financing of God's work. The church does have obligations such as utilities, upkeep, insurance, salaries, and the list goes on. My question, what is wrong with people tithing to support ministry???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45919621373867064482012-11-02T10:19:56.098-04:002012-11-02T10:19:56.098-04:00Dr. Whitmire is a great man of God.
He loves Jesu...Dr. Whitmire is a great man of God.<br /><br />He loves Jesus and loves people.<br /><br />He was great in his day and it is a new day and a new move of God sweeping this nation.<br /><br />People expect to feel God and be moved by God not just to sit and listen anymore.<br /><br />Celebration is moving and it is a really nice house for God.<br /><br />It is so interactive, you feel like you are there with God.<br /><br />I thank God for a Church that understands that we need more than Choirs and hymns, we need to be touched in our eyes and our hearts.<br /><br />Can't wait till Sunday, it will be off the hook for Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5776843721674617742012-11-01T17:07:56.088-04:002012-11-01T17:07:56.088-04:00This is off topic, but just wanted to know when yo...This is off topic, but just wanted to know when you were going to give the updates about Ergun Caner "I've got a few Ergun Caner updates to report that you will find very interesting,"(http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2012/06/watchdog-nears-end-of-his-mega-blogger.html)Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83726013837277145572012-11-01T14:04:16.748-04:002012-11-01T14:04:16.748-04:00COUNTDOWN: 60 days
That's when we will find o...COUNTDOWN: 60 days<br /><br />That's when we will find out if the TROLL's prayers are in God's will or not.<br /><br />You're about to be exposed TROLL!!!<br /><br />Just two months TROLL!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42114530093760655732012-11-01T14:02:44.525-04:002012-11-01T14:02:44.525-04:00"Jim Whitmire is a very nice man but is out o..."Jim Whitmire is a very nice man but is out of touch culturally."<br /><br />The TROLL seriously has too much time on his hands.<br /><br />Get some new material TROLL. We've seen this comment before.<br /><br />YAWNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7791235201118394172012-10-31T22:52:57.016-04:002012-10-31T22:52:57.016-04:00Jim Whitmire is a very nice man but is out of touc...Jim Whitmire is a very nice man but is out of touch culturally.<br /><br />He still does things that worked in the 80's.<br /><br />Choir robes and anthems are dead.<br /><br />I am proud of my Church for using all that God has given us...moving lights, haze, lazers, HD Plasma screens, and projectors that can even do 3d.<br /><br />Satan cannot have this culture anymore and we are taking it back by using all the tools of Vegas with some Jesus thrown in.<br /><br />Move over U2 and the Blackeye Peas...Celebration Church will put on a show for Jesus this Sunday that will blow the Devil's mind!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57373272138944536802012-10-31T18:10:07.300-04:002012-10-31T18:10:07.300-04:00Tithing or any kind of giving is a work; it is som...Tithing or any kind of giving is a work; it is something we do. It is neither sacred nor holy. My question to those of you hung up on tithing as a directive is how does grace fit into your belief system?WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28112130017589535582012-10-31T09:36:04.610-04:002012-10-31T09:36:04.610-04:00COUNTDOWN: 61 days
That's when we will find o...COUNTDOWN: 61 days<br /><br />That's when we will find out if the TROLL's prayers are in God's will or not.<br /><br />You're about to be exposed TROLL!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19811113692006602052012-10-30T18:42:53.201-04:002012-10-30T18:42:53.201-04:00Anybody know what happened to Jim Whitmire.Anybody know what happened to Jim Whitmire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1995045822519463502012-10-30T15:41:23.910-04:002012-10-30T15:41:23.910-04:00The future of the church in the US:
http://www.ccm...The future of the church in the US:<br />http://www.ccmag.com/2012_10/ccmag2012_10editorial.pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34442665947656127992012-10-30T12:58:05.368-04:002012-10-30T12:58:05.368-04:00Still waiting for an argument that tithing is requ...Still waiting for an argument that tithing is required by God of Christians that is not based on twisted scripture (Anonymous October 28, 2012 12:15 PM) or fleshly reasoning (Anonymous October 29, 2012 8:15 AM). <br /><br />Now for some words based on Biblical fact, “…tithing, while Biblical, is not Christian. Jesus Christ did not affirm it. The first-century Christians did not observe it. And for 300 years, God’s people did not practice it. Tithing did not become a widely accepted practice among Christians until the eighth century! <br /><br />Giving in the NT was according to one’s ability. Christians gave to help other believers as well as to support apostolic workers, enabling them to travel and plant churches. One of the most outstanding testimonies of the early church has to do with how liberal the Christians were to the poor and needy. This is what provoked outsiders, including the philosopher Galen, to watch the awesome, winsome power of the early church and say: “Behold how they love one another. “ <br /><br />Tithing is only mentioned four times in the NT. But none of these instances applies to Christians. Again, tithing belongs to the Old Testament era where a taxation system was needed to support the poor and where a special priesthood was set apart to minister to the Lord. With the coming of Jesus Christ, there has been a “change of law”—the old has been “set aside” and rendered obsolete by the new. <br /><br />We are all priests now—free to function in God’s house. The Law, the old priesthood, and the tithe have all been crucified. There is now no temple curtain, no temple tax, and no special priesthood that stands between God and man. You, dear Christian, have been set free from the bondage of tithing and from the obligation to support an unbiblical clergy system.”<br />WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32945891317117201522012-10-30T08:20:33.616-04:002012-10-30T08:20:33.616-04:00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225061/Ch...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225061/Church-pastor-killed-Rev-Danny-Kirk-Sr-beaten-death-electric-guitar.html<br /><br />I hope that this incident gives pause to the rising tide of hatred towards pastors. Bloggers should be careful of the words that are used. Some characters take things a bit too seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29238973914350835832012-10-30T07:29:08.869-04:002012-10-30T07:29:08.869-04:00Jesus taught tithing because he was under the law ...Jesus taught tithing because he was under the law and he was without sin. It would have been sin for Him to NOT teach tithing. <br /><br />The finished work of Christ on the cross fulfilled the law. We are no more required to tithe to please God than we are to offer animal sacrifices for forgiveness of sins.<br /><br />We are to give cheerfully and especially when we see our brothers in need.<br /><br />TAKE THE RED PILL AND WAKE UP FROM THE MATRIX!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9541827759013905322012-10-29T22:29:03.283-04:002012-10-29T22:29:03.283-04:00Anonymous 8:15 a.m.
Sounds good, but in reality, ...Anonymous 8:15 a.m.<br /><br />Sounds good, but in reality, it makes no sense. You see, God can't use money anymore than He can use our good works. He's a Spirit.<br /><br />The purpose of the tithe was as support for the Levitical priests who were given no land as a source for their food/sustenance.<br /><br />While the NT does encourage giving with a cheerful manner, it also encourages good stewardship. To ignore reckless spending on the part of church leaders and say we shouldn't care what they do with it, is comparable to saying we should cheerfully give to an alcoholic when he says he needs money when we know he will use it for his addiction. It certainly does (and should) matter where believers exercise good judgement about where monetary gifts will do the most good.<br /><br />We are accountable for every decision we make.Victorioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05612933331490588145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3963271281932939562012-10-29T20:24:22.286-04:002012-10-29T20:24:22.286-04:00If the tithe belongs to God, then why are the past...If the tithe belongs to God, then why are the pastor and the music director and the rest of the hirelings using it to buy houses, cars, and cruises of expensive ships? <br />Because they are robbing God, just like the priests in Malachi were told they were robbing God. Yes Malachi was written to the corrupt priests of that day who are just like the corrupt tithing preachers of our day. Jesus never told his disciples to tithe. In Matthew 23 he was talking to JEWS who were under the law, He was NOT talking to His disciples. Why dont some of you Koolaid drinking protithers study in contaxt?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4402135869988736272012-10-29T19:40:12.440-04:002012-10-29T19:40:12.440-04:00"Jesus and Paul preached tithing."
Unti..."Jesus and Paul preached tithing."<br /><br />Until Jesus died on the cross, the old covenant, including tithing, was still in effect. Once Jesus died, the veil was rent in two and the old covenant was dead. Jesus fulfilled it. <br /><br />Paul never preached tithing. Quite the opposite. If you keep the old covenant law you are under a curse. Your scripture has nothing to do with tithing. Marknoreply@blogger.com