tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5932798375129884997..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Pastoral Changes Coming to First Baptist Jacksonville? Times Union Reporter Jeff Brumley Wants to Know!FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73861608459036661662012-05-27T20:48:06.476-04:002012-05-27T20:48:06.476-04:00Mac Brunson is a hypocrite. He takes a large sala...Mac Brunson is a hypocrite. He takes a large salary, he had a buddy find out the identify of someone on the internet so he could seek revenge rather than letting the Lord deal with it. From all I have read and folks I know that go there he has taken questionable other financial deals. <br /><br /> Also I don't believe in mega churches in general as that type of power and money almost always corrupt. <br /><br />I know a couple of kids he brought on to teach Sunday school. They also show some of the very same arrogant, cocky, wealth building obsession and overly politically correct behavior. <br /><br />Behavior that comes when your sole purpose is growing your numbers, pushing your brand, consolidating your power within the community and gaining a large income stream. Just like any other business. <br /><br />The sooner this guy is gone the better that church will have to find a less money centered and more God centered pastor. <br /><br />By their fruit you will know them and the fruit spoken of in the Bible doesn't come in dollar signs. <br /><br />IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73596616601237864722012-04-02T00:30:21.714-04:002012-04-02T00:30:21.714-04:00Time for Mac to leave. He has become far more pol...Time for Mac to leave. He has become far more polarizing that what he professes to preach. I hear accusation and condemnation in his voice, but love... not so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77683734241589898812012-02-04T22:16:15.313-05:002012-02-04T22:16:15.313-05:00Well here's a short version of Mac bemoaning t...Well here's a short version of Mac bemoaning the last 5 years<br /><br /> <a href="http://video-de.tomshardware.com/video/12669352ec9s.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> <br /><br />and the long version<br /><br /><br /> <a href="http://vimeo.com/34574483" rel="nofollow">Here</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24111780691786745732012-01-16T10:46:01.139-05:002012-01-16T10:46:01.139-05:00"So, stop making up stuff on the internet and..."So, stop making up stuff on the internet and find some battle you are actually qualified to fight."<br /><br />Again, just factually wrong. Its ironic that you would attack my character with a falsehood.<br /><br />You, my friend, have shown yourself to be unqualified to "contend for the faith" because your ideas conflict with scripture.<br /><br />Scripture is the final court of arbitration not the culture that worships unity at the cost of truth. Choose a side, friend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12844311007347100042012-01-16T10:40:25.351-05:002012-01-16T10:40:25.351-05:00"Seeing yourself as winning some "battle..."Seeing yourself as winning some "battle" seems to be very important to you."<br /><br />Someone should bump you. You sound like a broken record. Judging motivations again?<br /><br />Jude 1:3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51748932914323773492012-01-16T10:38:19.940-05:002012-01-16T10:38:19.940-05:00"Your imaginary role as someone who "got..."Your imaginary role as someone who "got out safely" when the evil Mac Brunson arrived, and now is on a rescue mission as a modern day "Paul" is, well, just that--imaginary."<br /><br />I've already explained (twice) that I have never attended FBCJAX. This is what I mean by saying that you can't read something and understand a plain statement. That is why you will never come to the right conclusion. It's like a man using a map of Indiana to try to find his way to NYC. You'll never get there.<br /><br />Paul's teachings are in direct contradiction to your ill-concieved "let God handle it" advice. <br /><br />I can see why you wouldn't want to deal with scripture and instead make personal attacks.<br /><br />I'll stick with Paul's teachings and ignore yours every time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11940007947488662932012-01-16T10:29:52.263-05:002012-01-16T10:29:52.263-05:00"Seems you are your own "straw-man"..."Seems you are your own "straw-man". <br /><br />ROFL!<br /><br />This really got my week off to a good start. Nothing like a big belly laugh on a Monday morning.<br /><br />Part of the reason that you are "the king of straw-man arguments" (aside from a basic lack of logic) is because you can't seem to read a simple statement, understand it, and come up with a congent response.<br /><br />If you can't get facts straight that have been repeated to you on more than one occasion, how would anyone expect you to come to a correct conclusion?<br /><br />A false premise leads to a false conclusion every time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46674575281037920032012-01-16T10:21:44.595-05:002012-01-16T10:21:44.595-05:00More of same.
Yawn.
But thanks for confirming my ...More of same.<br />Yawn.<br /><br />But thanks for confirming my point.<br /><br />You don't seem to be able to focus on the issues and avoid personal attacks. <br /><br />An anger management session or two might do you some good.<br /><br />While you are there see if a hermeneutics, apologetics or basic logic class is available.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76604285669347873252012-01-13T15:09:11.071-05:002012-01-13T15:09:11.071-05:00You're killing me, but okay, lets set the reco...You're killing me, but okay, lets set the record straight. Seems you are your own "straw-man". Your imaginary role as someone who "got out safely" when the evil Mac Brunson arrived, and now is on a rescue mission as a modern day "Paul" is, well, just that--imaginary. Seeing yourself as winning some "battle" seems to be very important to you. So, stop making up stuff on the internet and find some battle you are actually qualified to fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31580190873012403992012-01-13T12:40:14.888-05:002012-01-13T12:40:14.888-05:00"Relax. God is still in control whether you u..."Relax. God is still in control whether you understand it or not."<br /><br />So, again I ask, was Paul wrong for weeping over false teachers and hypocrites in the church?<br /><br />If God is in control, shouldn't he just relax and let God take care of it?<br /><br />Fortunately, we have precedence in scripture to show how wrong your thinking is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75232981952304576852012-01-13T12:35:22.236-05:002012-01-13T12:35:22.236-05:00"This level of defensiveness undermines your ..."This level of defensiveness undermines your credibility and damages your health."<br /><br />You will be relieved to know that I had my complete physical this morning, and the doctor told me that I am in perfect health. <br /><br />So, either the doctor is wrong or you are. I'm betting on the doctor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54264828750975534172012-01-13T12:33:16.294-05:002012-01-13T12:33:16.294-05:00"Your reply gives a lot of insight into why y..."Your reply gives a lot of insight into why you continue to struggle over things beyond your control. This level of defensiveness undermines your credibility and damages your health. Relax. God is still in control whether you understand it or not."<br /><br />That's about what I expected. You can't win on substance so you employ:<br /><br />1) judging motivations of a complete stranger - "you feel righteous in your decision" "you struggle with things beyond your control" "defensive" - as I have stated before - sometimes I don't know my own motivations - you obviously don't have the slightest clue about them.<br /><br />2) Name-calling and ad hominem attacks - "naive and illogical" "defensive" "undermines your credibility" "would have to be an idiot" - this tactic is always employed by those who don't have the facts on their side.<br /><br />3) Condescending arrogance - "God is in control whether you understand it or not" "naive and illogical" "beyond your control" - that type of sheep-beating and attempted intimidation may work within the walls of the local church - but it is completely impotent and ineffective outside those walls my friend. It just doesn't work in a society that values free speech.<br /><br />Now if you think you can engage in a civilized discussion of the issues and stay on topic, even when you seem to be losing the battle, I'm always willing to set the record straight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18384983302536706202012-01-12T22:12:27.733-05:002012-01-12T22:12:27.733-05:00Your reply gives a lot of insight into why you con...Your reply gives a lot of insight into why you continue to struggle over things beyond your control. This level of defensiveness undermines your credibility and damages your health. Relax. God is still in control whether you understand it or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49944467784132435182012-01-12T10:23:14.791-05:002012-01-12T10:23:14.791-05:00"if the folks at FBC Like Mac Brunson and fee..."if the folks at FBC Like Mac Brunson and feel they are being well served, then what concern is it of yours?"<br /><br />If the folks who have left FBC don't like Mac Brunson and feel they were not being well served, then what concern is is of yours?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5584752898773131552012-01-12T10:15:07.023-05:002012-01-12T10:15:07.023-05:00"They are all free to choose their own church..."They are all free to choose their own church, their own pastor, and they have the power to remove him if that is THEIR choice."<br /><br />The first two statements are true although the individual may not have enough discernment or humility to make a good decision. That's where this blog can be of assistance.<br /><br />Your last statement is just factually wrong. Half the church has voted with their feet already. The pastor has surrounded himself with yes men who will defend him until he completely wrecks the church or he finds a soft landing spot somewhere else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24293188227862433492012-01-12T10:14:26.681-05:002012-01-12T10:14:26.681-05:00"It is no longer YOUR church--no one needs yo..."It is no longer YOUR church--no one needs you to think for them."<br /><br />Another (add it to the list) false assumption. I have never attended FBCJAX, but I do care for individuals that are being misled.<br /><br />"no one needs you to think for them."<br /><br />This is just another way (and condescending one) of saying that I have nothing of value to teach someone.<br /><br />Completely wrong and arrogant at the same time. Nice try.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52133067439080371122012-01-12T10:13:18.588-05:002012-01-12T10:13:18.588-05:00"An absolute, eg.(a burning building) cannot ..."An absolute, eg.(a burning building) cannot reasonably be equated with a non-absolute (Your personal dislike for the current pastor)."<br /><br />And it isn't, of course. The absolute (burning building) is being reasonably equated to another absolute (hypocritical pastor) who expects the congregation to live a certain way but exempts himself. <br /><br />"All I'm saying in the kindest way I can,is if the folks at FBC Like Mac Brunson and feel they are being well served, then what concern is it of yours?"<br /><br />Perhaps Paul was wrong for being concerned (to the point of shedding tears) over false teachers and hypocrites in the church, but I believe that I will follow his example. <br /><br />My concern is the same concern that every Christian should have for false teaching and hypocrisy in any belief system.<br /><br />I could turn my back and ignore the problem, but I am not that uncaring and cold-hearted for souls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18438815482858856072012-01-12T10:12:13.201-05:002012-01-12T10:12:13.201-05:00"There is absolutely no name calling here, si..."There is absolutely no name calling here, sir."<br /><br />There absolutely is sir.<br /><br />"Read carefully, I said the "analogy" was illogical. Anyone would be an idiot not to run from a burning building."<br /><br />Read carefully. I said:<br />"Kind of like saying that you shouldn't care that there are people left in a burning building because you got out safely."<br /><br />There is no inference of anyone not having enough sense to run from a burning building (perhaps they are trapped). That is your incorrect and out of context interpretation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30091341872930733832012-01-11T19:42:43.401-05:002012-01-11T19:42:43.401-05:00There is absolutely no name calling here, sir. Rea...There is absolutely no name calling here, sir. Read carefully, I said the "analogy" was illogical. Anyone would be an idiot not to run from a burning building. An absolute, eg.(a burning building) cannot reasonably be equated with a non-absolute (Your personal dislike for the current pastor). All I'm saying in the kindest way I can,is if the folks at FBC Like Mac Brunson and feel they are being well served, then what concern is it of yours? It is no longer YOUR church--no one needs you to think for them. They are all free to choose their own church, their own pastor, and they have the power to remove him if that is THEIR choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25103761510457258152012-01-11T17:34:09.595-05:002012-01-11T17:34:09.595-05:00"Anon 4:0, Your analogy is naive and illogica..."Anon 4:0, Your analogy is naive and illogical."<br /><br />In what way? An assertion and name-calling are not a proper substitute for reason.<br /><br />"Even though you feel righteous in your decision, does not automatically make everyone else idiots for following their own conscience."<br /><br />Here you are judging my motivations (sometimes I don't even know what they are - you would have no idea) and then making a straw-man argument. <br /><br />You will need to do better than that my friend.<br /><br />Proverbs 14:12Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73779004405571301572012-01-11T11:13:27.358-05:002012-01-11T11:13:27.358-05:00Anon 4:0, Your analogy is naive and illogical. Eve...Anon 4:0, Your analogy is naive and illogical. Even though you feel righteous in your decision, does not automatically make everyone else idiots for following their own conscience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61403180007475735732012-01-11T10:13:29.358-05:002012-01-11T10:13:29.358-05:00What will Robert Jeffress do to one-up this major ...What will Robert Jeffress do to one-up this major publicity stunt? I'm sure he's got his media guru on it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78365717692629729022012-01-10T16:47:47.266-05:002012-01-10T16:47:47.266-05:00As a SWBTS alum take it from me: The only way Dr. ...As a SWBTS alum take it from me: The only way Dr. Patterson leaves SWBTS is when he passes. <br />The mansion, the SUV, the cooks, the housekeepers, the dog walkers, and the personal assistants are all on the seminary dollar. He gets what he wants when he wants it with little to no opposition. He surrounds himself with people who tell him how great, wise, and godly he is (because doing so holds the promise of getting your own perks). <br />Why would anyone walk away from that?!Josh from FLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60771738845843285022012-01-09T16:02:18.570-05:002012-01-09T16:02:18.570-05:00"After reading thru Watchdog's blog, it a..."After reading thru Watchdog's blog, it appears most posters no longer have anything to do with FBC. So it seems to me the question of pastoral changes is pretty much irrelevant."<br /><br />Kind of like saying that you shouldn't care that there are people left in a burning building because you got out safely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13783200202593053972012-01-09T14:22:38.460-05:002012-01-09T14:22:38.460-05:00For the life of me I can't understand why anyo...For the life of me I can't understand why anyone here really cares whether Mac Brunson leaves Jacksonville or not. After reading thru Watchdog's blog, it appears most posters no longer have anything to do with FBC. So it seems to me the question of pastoral changes is pretty much irrelevant. There is an endless supply of villains out there to fuel your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com