tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6153647691985598943..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Ergun Caner: Now He's Described as "A Hardened Terrorist"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77617342293230194792010-05-20T18:38:50.511-04:002010-05-20T18:38:50.511-04:00Pastors are sort of like cops and judges in that w...Pastors are sort of like cops and judges in that we have all had to sit and watch people lie to us. We know exactly what it looks like. Caner is as guilty as sin, and his clarifications are just more deception. I cannot see any way that Falwell and the board do not know this. Yet they featured him in their preacher conference just this week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22288402359297048432010-05-13T20:57:47.930-04:002010-05-13T20:57:47.930-04:00I believe Ergun Caner is NOT A terrorist, but yet ...I believe Ergun Caner is NOT A terrorist, but yet is a Christian. I've heard Ergun speak and tell his testimony and by the way he tells his testimony it can't be fake unless his parents lied to him. I've talked with Ergun. He's a nice guy just like anyone else. Don't tear him or Liberty down because they are trying to tell others about God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90623516298311437232010-04-13T10:34:06.487-04:002010-04-13T10:34:06.487-04:00I am so glad I have left this Baptist bunch behind...I am so glad I have left this Baptist bunch behind me - all of them. <br /><br />Ever worked with them side by side? I have, and folks it is not pretty what gets exposed to you.<br /><br />I sure feels better knowing I am not a part of "those within the Baptist Mafia" any longer.<br /><br />I have dusted my feet! <br /><br />LUKE 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. <br /><br />Following Christ, Not Man<br /><br />Doug PittmanDougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11711472994915379222010-04-09T08:42:53.774-04:002010-04-09T08:42:53.774-04:00"Now, he claims he will go to Ohio with a vid..."Now, he claims he will go to Ohio with a video camera to interview folks for himself."<br /><br /><br />Of course, this makes sense as he will have the benefit of using Liberty's finest video equipment at no financial cost to him and make a great film of his life's story - he's probably laughing at all this and saying "all things work together for good" . . .as he now has a new version of his testimony to promote (and more money to take to the bank) His popularity will grow even larger! <br /><br />Quote from another blogger:<br />Worse & Worse!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68509649122717715292010-04-09T00:45:24.883-04:002010-04-09T00:45:24.883-04:00The only thing Barber, a Trustee of SWBTS, is doin...The only thing Barber, a Trustee of SWBTS, is doing over at his blog is buying time about Ergun Caner and insisting all the information comes from Muslims so we cannot believe it. He is ignoring all the verifiable facts that Ergun has consistenly lied that are all over the place!<br /><br />Now, he claims he will go to Ohio with a video camera to interview folksfor himself.<br /><br />You see what he is doing, don't you? He is going to pull a CR tactic and make this about something else. He will interview folks at thechurch where Caner was saved and show us how that is true.<br /><br />But no one has denied that part.<br /><br />Will he go to Turkey and film the house CAner 'grew up' in while there?<br /><br />They always win by reformulating the issue. They are slick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80373391535632936892010-04-09T00:45:24.884-04:002010-04-09T00:45:24.884-04:00The only thing Barber, a Trustee of SWBTS, is doin...The only thing Barber, a Trustee of SWBTS, is doing over at his blog is buying time about Ergun Caner and insisting all the information comes from Muslims so we cannot believe it. He is ignoring all the verifiable facts that Ergun has consistenly lied that are all over the place!<br /><br />Now, he claims he will go to Ohio with a video camera to interview folksfor himself.<br /><br />You see what he is doing, don't you? He is going to pull a CR tactic and make this about something else. He will interview folks at thechurch where Caner was saved and show us how that is true.<br /><br />But no one has denied that part.<br /><br />Will he go to Turkey and film the house CAner 'grew up' in while there?<br /><br />They always win by reformulating the issue. They are slick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47008998856114019162010-04-08T23:46:33.639-04:002010-04-08T23:46:33.639-04:00Ministry of Reconciliation [Debbie Kaufman] > O...<a href="http://debbiekaufman.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/oh-good-grief-a-response-to-jason-smathers-on-sbcvoices/" rel="nofollow">Ministry of Reconciliation [Debbie Kaufman] > Oh Good Grief. A Response To Jason Smathers On SBCVoices</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2681181460255616962010-04-08T23:19:59.172-04:002010-04-08T23:19:59.172-04:00SBC Voices [JASON SMATHERS] > Ergun Caner is a ...<a href="http://sbcvoices.com/ergun-caner-is-a-real-ex-muslim/" rel="nofollow">SBC Voices [JASON SMATHERS] > Ergun Caner is a real ex-Muslim</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91281375289079673372010-04-08T22:51:11.085-04:002010-04-08T22:51:11.085-04:00Anon 3:07. You nailed it. The falling away of the ...Anon 3:07. You nailed it. The falling away of the church is surely all around us. No hard preaching anymore. Just get a crowd and tell a few jokes and three points is their methodology. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Accountability in the next life will be hard for some to bear even while wearing their long church robes or preacher attire!!! Maybe then they will see their ministry was a sham and all for nothing. To compromise for wordly goods won't be worth it then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66206760809679747992010-04-08T22:29:50.219-04:002010-04-08T22:29:50.219-04:00Thanks for the update, Thy PeaceThanks for the update, Thy PeaceProvenderhttp://pureprovender.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70048073838911997162010-04-08T15:07:36.226-04:002010-04-08T15:07:36.226-04:00The problem with those in spiritual
"high pla...The problem with those in spiritual<br />"high places" is that they lose perspective along the way. And those who put them on the paying/ speaking track have high expectations of them. The bigger and bolder their life message, the more people will come and hear. Men like Ergun Caner may start off wanting to please the Lord but somewhere along the way, they start pleasing man and in the process their own egos take over and thus the embellishments (really lies) grow bigger and bolder. They probably forget themselves what is true and what is not. This thing with Ergun Caner (and I have heard him speak and I do believe he is a true Christian) is just another example of the erosion in the church today.<br />Leadership has lost integrity and fallen in love with the soft side of life that only lots of money can buy. I believe the Lord would call it idolatry. Many in congregations want to hear soft messages that do not convict one of sin, and they want to be entertained with music and drama.<br />I believe the Lord calls that "turning away from strong doctrine and wanting their ears tickled." No wonder the church is so impotent today. No wonder the ungodly mock us. No wonder young people are leaving by the droves because of the hypocrisy they see.<br />As Adrian Rogers used to say:<br />"We give our enemies the ammunition to shoot us with!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54566633076016790202010-04-08T14:27:28.815-04:002010-04-08T14:27:28.815-04:00Grace and Truth to You [Wade Burleson] > The Fi...<a href="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2010/04/first-court-ruling-on-tom-rich-vs-city.html" rel="nofollow">Grace and Truth to You [Wade Burleson] > The First Court Ruling on Tom Rich vs. City of Jacksonville Portends Some Very Interesting Courtroom Drama</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74824457685855468682010-04-08T14:02:02.781-04:002010-04-08T14:02:02.781-04:00I think I will hold off on any future donations to...I think I will hold off on any future donations to Liberty until I see how they handle this. It is a matter of integrity. Does Liberty still have any or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15355685220992042732010-04-08T14:01:01.554-04:002010-04-08T14:01:01.554-04:00Just read Ergun's very weak response on anothe...Just read Ergun's very weak response on another blog. Hey Ergun, I don't care how many sermons you have preached, some things you just don't get confused about, or misspeak about. Like where you were born and raised. It is the same place every time you speak. 1 time or 1000 times, where you were born and when and where you were raised, that doesn't change. <br /><br />And being trained to do that which was done on 11 September (don't boys from Ohio say "September 11th" and not 11 September?), either you were or you weren't. No way to jumble that or mis speak that is there?<br /><br />Willful, intentional, lying or misleading an audience about such things is not a stumble or mis-step. Particulary for such an educated professional speaker like yourself.<br /><br />I think your attempt to gloss over this may end up hurting you worse than anything any Muslim or blogger has said. We shall see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31942554931501937632010-04-08T13:54:48.665-04:002010-04-08T13:54:48.665-04:00There is no immunity for the government worker, As...There is no immunity for the government worker, Asst State Attorney Seigel. Only the "office" of the State Attorney, represented by Angela Corey (who was not in power at the time of the incident) was immune. Seigel will be held accountable. The judge made that perfectly clear. The conflicts of interest of Hinson are numerous and Seigel was either lied to and/or misled by Hinson, or Seigel was complicit and colluding with Hinson. We shall see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88701382079460411992010-04-08T13:21:48.185-04:002010-04-08T13:21:48.185-04:00Pay close attention to immunity for government wor...Pay close attention to immunity for government workers that is an underlying premise in this case.<br /><br />And ask yourself if you want that immunity for the future government workers in the coming health care system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14909849408784814872010-04-07T21:35:09.407-04:002010-04-07T21:35:09.407-04:00The Dog's case has gotten some attention in th...The Dog's case has gotten some attention in the legal blogosphere this week:<br /><br /><a href="http://volokh.com/2010/04/07/prosecutorial-subpoena-to-unmask-blogger-without-any-good-faith-interest-in-criminal-investigation-would-violate-the-first-amendment/" rel="nofollow">Volokh Conspiracy</a><br /><br /><a href="http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2010/04/blogger-states-free-speech-and.html" rel="nofollow">Religion Clause</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90295133438141478202010-04-07T21:21:20.233-04:002010-04-07T21:21:20.233-04:00Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr. - New Blog for a Pneuma T...<a href="http://dwightmckissic.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/attitudes-toward-race-in-sbc-life/" rel="nofollow">Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr. - New Blog for a Pneuma Time > ATTITUDES TOWARD RACE IN SBC LIFE</a>.<br /><br /><i>Ergun Caner made condescending and stereotypical remarks concerning the Black Church in a sermon preached at First Baptist of Jacksonville, FL. Caner’s observation certainly would not be true of the Black church that I pastor and the majority of Black churches that I’m aware of. Yet, his remarks were met with approving laughter. I don’t believe that he would have made those same remarks in a Black church. Caner essentially said Black churches do not put the preacher up to preach until about 1:00 p.m. That’s not true. Black churches, according to Caner, take up “twelve offerings”. That’s untrue. Caner further stated:<br /><br />“… you go to a Black church gentlemen, you are not going to have on a blue suit, you are going to have blue shoes to match, and your handkerchief is going to match your tie, and your whole outfit is going to match your car. It’s BEAUTIFUL. And ladies: when we talk about black church, we’re talkin’ about hats. And I’m not just talkin’ Easter hats as some of you may wear, I’m talkin’ ’bout satellite dish hats. [laughter]. Big enough to receive a signal, with a curtain rod goin’ down the front that you can just pull the curtain across”. [Ergun Caner, The Warrior Church, June 14, 2009]<br /> <br /><br />By the grace of God, I’ve been privileged to preach over the past thirty six years in twenty seven states, at least seventy five cities, and in over one hundred and eighty pulpits or public venues across the length and breadth of America. The vast majority of those preaching assignments were in Black Baptist pulpits. My point is, Ergun Caner may have had a better opportunity to judge the social mores of the Black church more so than I, but it’s doubtful. I can truly say that what Ergun Caner stated is simply, generally not true. As a matter of fact, I’ve never witnessed what he described. If I stated that White preachers preached in Hawaiian shirts and encouraged married couples in their churches to have sex seven straight days, and wore toupees; that may be true in isolated cases but it would be unfair, inaccurate, and racially stereotypical, without foundation, for to me make such a claim.<br /><br />This is what Caner has done and he owes FBC Jacksonville an apology. I honestly don’t believe Caner meant any harm. I think that he was simply speaking off the cuff and exaggerated grossly. Most public speakers, including myself, have made similar mistakes. However, his remarks were damaging to the reputation of the Black church in the minds and hearts of his hearers. One would expect better than this from a Seminary President. This caricature must be corrected. Jim Richards, Richard Land, Wade Burleson, Ronnie Floyd, and Tim Rogers have all preached in my pulpit. They know Caner’s description of the Black church is absolutely false. It is certainly not the norm. I know Mac Brunson personally. I have great respect for him. Mac owes it to his people to set the record straight.</i>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90648120410220795782010-04-07T13:45:59.841-04:002010-04-07T13:45:59.841-04:00Here's another example (notice what happened t...Here's another example (notice what happened to the person who tried to warn the organization that his testimony was inaccurate):<br /><br />http://www.christianissues.com/champ.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42921530096197283382010-04-07T13:02:12.493-04:002010-04-07T13:02:12.493-04:00You know what is so bad? Caner is leading more an...You know what is so bad? Caner is leading more and more people who are supporting him deeper into the pit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7149718609496291832010-04-07T13:02:12.492-04:002010-04-07T13:02:12.492-04:00But that is the same argument many make when a ped...But that is the same argument many make when a pedophile pastor is discovered. They won't believe the evidence. They discredit those who speak up rather than face the evidence. They said "it can't be, I've heard him preach the truth. He's done so much good for the Lord."<br /><br /><br />This is exactly how victims of predators in church are treated. People have put so much support and faith in humans they cannot see truth that is staring them in the face. And they refuse to consider evidence at all.<br /><br />But a willful and consistent liar and deceiver does great things for the Lord? Never mind he is paid well to lie and deceive.<br /><br />That is an oxymoron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24552381282382020552010-04-07T12:40:34.757-04:002010-04-07T12:40:34.757-04:00Watchdog, me reading is all these pastors are afra...Watchdog, me reading is all these pastors are afraid of The Truth. <br /><br />They are afraid that if Caner is wrong, then the WHOLE tapestry of Conservative Christianity as in SBC and evangelicals comes apart.<br /><br />So they prefer to believe in men and women, than in God. All men and women have the fallen nature and it is only God who can make the fallen creatures whole and new.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31439736697001003232010-04-07T12:33:57.090-04:002010-04-07T12:33:57.090-04:00Thy Peace:
Unbelievable.
Worse and worse.
Here...Thy Peace:<br /><br />Unbelievable. <br /><br />Worse and worse.<br /><br />Here is a pastor who knows that Caner has fibbed to 9000+ at FBC Jax and to Jerry Vines about being "raised in Europe" and "trained to do that which was done on 11 September."<br /><br />And he chooses to look the other way. He assumes people are out to take Caner down. He trusts men at Liberty, rather than trusting God and the Bible and calling for the preacher to explain the apparent lies.<br /><br />I might be able to see someone staying silent on the matter, waiting for Caner to explain the discrepancies, but to flat out say, "I don't care" is just unbelievable.<br /><br />But that is the same argument many make when a pedophile pastor is discovered. They won't believe the evidence. They discredit those who speak up rather than face the evidence. They said "it can't be, I've heard him preach the truth. He's done so much good for the Lord."<br /><br />The fact is, pastors all the time stand in the pulpit and deliver excellent sermons, while they deceive those around them. Happens all the time.<br /><br />But apparently its just more of the same. Need to protect the celebrity preachers, even at the cost of truth.<br /><br />Gee, even Joe Blackmon acknowledged that Caner has some "splainin" to do...FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54415908891315796882010-04-07T11:59:29.896-04:002010-04-07T11:59:29.896-04:00Change Worth Making > why i am for ergun caner....<a href="http://changeworthmaking.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/why-i-am-for-ergun-caner/" rel="nofollow">Change Worth Making > why i am for ergun caner</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14915836658788975242010-04-06T21:19:42.799-04:002010-04-06T21:19:42.799-04:00Read Caner's statement. It really clarifies no...Read Caner's statement. It really clarifies nothing, but it takes a long time to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com