tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6620054967432039541..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Church Discipline - FBC Jax Style - Part 2 - Memo to Bloggers: "NO TRESPASSING"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger136125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42908788245590050382008-12-31T14:50:00.000-05:002008-12-31T14:50:00.000-05:00It's so sad to see this happening especially to fe...It's so sad to see this happening especially to fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, but just remember that we need to "distinguish between the Lord's invisible, universal, spiritual Church (the Ecclesia) and the non-profit religious organization that meets in a building with a steeple on top". sited from Chip Brogden http://www.theschoolofchrist.org/articles/churchianity.htmlDuanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12938740291334771045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11058511026175152272008-12-31T13:06:00.000-05:002008-12-31T13:06:00.000-05:00Here is the odd thing.Grace Baptist Church in Cape...Here is the odd thing.<BR/><BR/>Grace Baptist Church in Cape Coral, FL, whose senior pastor is Tom Ascol, has their Constitution posted on their website <A HREF="http://truegraceofgod.org/about_us/constitution" REL="nofollow">here</A>. They have clear guidelines on Church Discipline.<BR/><BR/>Now why can't fbcjax do the same? They are in the same state.<BR/><BR/>I do not know about bylaws for Tom Ascol's church. Are they part of their constitution?Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21950267104495809592008-12-30T22:40:00.000-05:002008-12-30T22:40:00.000-05:00If FBCJ is like other congregations, it budgets to...If FBCJ is like other congregations, it budgets to spend every undesignated dime received each year; enough folks withholding their tithes--or giving it in designated ways (which can be declined by financial leaders of churches if certain policies are in place)--could eat up reserves and make a noticeable difference in a short time. Whether or not the right financial/pastoral leaders would have courage enough to inquire of those no longer giving is the question here. From what's been posted so far: not likely. The designated giving idea seems the better approach if so--the believer gives from what he's received, and the congregation or a ministry of it benefits from the gift. A tax deduction still is permitted.<BR/><BR/>It's not certain in the case of FBCJ that the members served with No Trespass warnings actually can legally be considered to trespass, because they ARE members. Unless the articles of incorporation or the bylaws--or the recent discipline committee guidelines--spell out more specifically what it means for members of FBCJ to trespass, the members served probably are alright to continue attending church (if attendance cannot be considered actual disruption of activities--i.e., the member isn't yelling out during worship services--then there seems no foundation for the warnings legally). Even if the matter can be pressed by the discipline committee, the warnings served (as I understand it) actually must be served to the members at the time they are "trespassing" on-campus and before law enforcement officers present--who likely would simply escort them off the campus (and be really confused about why Christians--supposedly--would do such things to each other).<BR/><BR/>The discipline committee's basis for issuing the warnings is subjective, though it attempts to be biblical, as evidenced by the reasonable folks of somewhat mature age and church experience blogging here who differ with the committee's logic/interpretation of the Bible. The question is: does the committee or trustee leadership or senior pastor REALLY want to make a big hairy public thing of this without attempting genuine biblical reconcilation ("running rough-shod at will over all-comers" does not count as biblical reconcilation in any reasonable person's book--even lost persons)? I doubt it--but some brave soul/s will have to step up to prove the truth of the matter; so far, there are none of those present--and the horribly emotionally insecure pastoral staff and other elected leaders are enabled to continue to function as they do, knowing no court will want to deal with this ecclesiastical matter in any case. Much more knowledge of the matter and involvement of the congregation's membership would be necessary to force something to change--even if it was to kick out everyone involved and then move forward (probably can set up a mass phone call to membership via online calling services if have the contact information, and possibly do so anonymously; doing so, though, may hamper interaction regarding access to the bylaws). <BR/><BR/>In the meantime, be careful that FBCJ doesn't have a "name that it is alive," but it's dead. Sad deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79100420396460206042008-12-30T22:39:00.000-05:002008-12-30T22:39:00.000-05:00WD, sorry for this long clipped post of Kevin D. J...WD, sorry for this long clipped post of Kevin D. Johnson. It is very relevant to this discussion. If it is too long, I can clip it further.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.prophezei.com/?p=555" REL="nofollow">Ten Things The Ninth Commandment Isn’t by Kevin D. Johnson</A><BR/><BR/><I>However, if you study the Bible closely enough, you’ll find that remaining silent when you should speak the truth is as much a matter of false witness as lying about your neighbor. Saying nothing when what is really called for is absolute repentance on the part of a brother or officer of the church is also condemned by the Ninth Commandment. Appearing and standing for the truth are also required by those who not only value justice but seek to carry out the commands of God fully.<BR/><BR/>There’s a clear distinction in the Bible between public and private relations especially when it concerns the Ninth Commandment. Don’t you think it’s inconsistent that a pastor can crank off about the moral failures of a politician to the whole world but gets red in the face ten times over if anyone dares to question his own commitment to our Lord?<BR/><BR/>Public office holders have to realize they’re being held to a higher standard and have higher responsibilities. That’s one reason why our laws still see lying under oath as something worse than being caught in a mere lie. Although in this instance, both offenses are wrong one is worse than the other. Not all sins are equal in the sight of God (cf. questions 150-151 in the Larger Catechism). That’s why ministerial abuse is something to cry about from the rooftops even if the cry that goes forth is all too loud, hurts our ears as faithful Christians who just can’t believe what we hear, and isn’t the most objective or kindest call possible.<BR/><BR/>To my point, however, is the fact that public ministers and others in similar public positions need to understand the fiduciary role they carry in representing the Church of God and the people they serve. It means that criticism is to be kindly received and fairly heard. The order of our day ought to be transparency and openness in the lives of ministers. Your parishioners and other laymen and women need to have a voice and participation in the supervision of the congregation and wider assemblies in terms of your own commitment and work among the faithful. It means your ideas, your predilections, and even your failings are fair game and a matter of public review simply because you operate in the public sphere. This is doubly true if you are going to work toward being a national or international public figure on the Internet or elsewhere beyond the local church. In other words, you need to be prepared for criticism and take it in a way that echoes the response of our Lord instead of whining about it or getting angry.<BR/><BR/>So, in the spirit of the Ninth Commandment (and the Fifth, see that section in the Catechism), I offer the following observations especially for public figures inclined to crank off about the complaints against their persons, their ministries, or their beliefs on the Internet or elsewhere. The following do not qualify as bearing false witness:<BR/><BR/>Disagreeing strongly with a minister or denominational leader in person or in a blog post<BR/>Questioning the commitment or intentions of an elder<BR/>Wanting to get to the bottom of a matter<BR/>Outlining alternate ways to understand or do something<BR/>Calling a minister out to repent for his sin publicly<BR/>Calling a pastor out for his errant beliefs or opinions<BR/>Questioning the wisdom of a pastor<BR/>Detailing why a pastor’s position on a matter is just flat crazy<BR/>Demonstrating the unorthodox method or theology of a pastor’s predilections<BR/>Defending your own person from the illegitimate or fanciful claims of someone who carries the public trust<BR/>Now, some of these things may be done in ways which violate the Ninth or Fifth Commandments, but in and of themselves pastors and elders need to be secure enough in their own persons, the Lord, their missions, and their offices to take the hits that come and do so gracefully. If you’re right, you’ll be vindicated eventually (even if that comes only at Judgment Day).<BR/><BR/>If you’re wrong, swallow your pride and take it so the Church can move beyond the cult of personality into a real and valid expression of what it means to lead the faithful.</I><BR/><BR/>Amen.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-327818217813777272008-12-30T22:05:00.000-05:002008-12-30T22:05:00.000-05:00Trespass alert:It is unconscionable that a church ...Trespass alert:<BR/><BR/>It is unconscionable that a church member(s) would be given a letter advising he/she not to come on church property and that he/she could not attend services without the threat of arrest by the local police. This should only occur if he/she were disruptive during the services. When at the same time Jesus Christ has forgiven us as sinners for all the sins we have committed and allows us to sit at His TABLE in Heaven. <BR/><BR/>What superiority and mean spiritedness between so-called brothers and sisters in the Lord. I suppose that's why every tear will be wiped away in heaven. Notice there will still be tears in Heaven a whole bunch at the hands of domineering pastors and their arrogant trustees and deacons. Churches such as this, should not exist, and claim to be representative of Jesus Christ as they only give a pretense of doing the Lord's work. You know,claiming to aid God and all the while pretending to be so self righteous in the process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58732320188769805722008-12-30T21:37:00.000-05:002008-12-30T21:37:00.000-05:00Watchdog: Maybe the by-laws forbid such special me...Watchdog: Maybe the by-laws forbid such special meetings, however, if a long, long, long picket line started to develop, just then maybe, the floor chairman would have to open up the discussion at a regular meeting of 2000-4000 people who as members were picketing around the sidewalks who would like to see another change!!! Then they can take pictures, names and guess who the bloggers are. It will give the discipline committee plenty to do issueing all those No Trespass papers. Is this still America?<BR/><BR/>Also, any item to be voted on at a regular scheduled meeting could be voted down and point of order raised to resolve any controversy involving the administration of the church and its property, etc. The congregation still in the long run holds the voting power even under most by-laws. I like your idea of the pocketbook...it is especially important during these troublesome economic conditions we are all facing. <BR/><BR/>Just thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32704547982580943982008-12-30T21:01:00.000-05:002008-12-30T21:01:00.000-05:00Anon Dec 29 9:47 Higly Concerned for Accurate Byla...Anon Dec 29 9:47 Higly Concerned for Accurate Bylaws:<BR/><BR/><BR/>What do you want to know? I'm a church administrator and paid to know as much about this stuff as I can.<BR/><BR/>Employment law and churches: depends on your state. In employment at will states, any employee--including senior pastors with no contract to the contrary--can be fired for good cause, bad cause, or no cause at all. Staff development practices and personnel policies--with grievance procedures--are advised; if they are in place, courts will want to know whether or not they were followed should a personnel decision be challenged that far.<BR/><BR/>Florida is an employment at will state.<BR/><BR/>Just trying to be helpful. Fellow pastor or not: no one serving God should be able to get away with "stupid". What's described at this blogsite as reality among you guys is stupid pastoral behavior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83496669047572719462008-12-30T18:24:00.000-05:002008-12-30T18:24:00.000-05:00PROTECT YOUR CHURCH MINISTRY WITH NEW TESTAMENT CH...<A HREF="http://www.churchby-laws.com/" REL="nofollow">PROTECT YOUR CHURCH MINISTRY WITH NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH BY-LAWS!</A><BR/><BR/><I> - Church By-Laws are written in the concept of a Theocracy and not a Democracy.<BR/> - Church By-Laws give headship and final authority of approving decisions for the local church to the Senior Overseer (Pastor).<BR/> - Church By-Laws eradicates congregational voting.<BR/> - Church By-Laws help eliminate hostile attempts of takeovers from boards, committees or spurious groups.<BR/> - Church By-Laws uproot smothering denominational forms of government<BR/> - Church By-Laws provide accountability for the Senior Overseer (Pastor) to an outside group selected by him/her.<BR/> - Church By-Laws help avoid potential conflicts and uprisings within the local church.<BR/> - Church By-Laws is written by a Senior Overseer for the benefit of the local pastor so that he or she can correctly govern the local church in New Testament manner.<BR/> - Church By-Laws allow you to mold your Statement of Faith more closely to your personal beliefs and vision.</I>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56038050375479146212008-12-30T17:48:00.000-05:002008-12-30T17:48:00.000-05:00Don't listen to Robert's rubbish Gabriella - he's ...Don't listen to Robert's rubbish Gabriella - he's one of the people at that church - if you were indeed harmed by anyone there, that would defend the minister to the hilt and would accuse you of creating problems. He has to assume that I and others who are concerned about the abuses at our church by our pastor are "far from Jesus". Its the only template that fits his view of the world. He's a very young man that to his credit is defending his pastor, and he believes that to be a noble cause. He is not yet able to discern - he is one who has accused me of slander, yet defends the slander of his own pastor who used the pulpit to slander Sheri Klouda. And now he takes a stab at me on your blog declaring to you that he knows my spiritual condition - that should tell you everything you need to know about Sir Robert.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29325290257071973512008-12-30T17:39:00.000-05:002008-12-30T17:39:00.000-05:00Robert L. Peeples wrote...Gabriella,You must reali...Robert L. Peeples wrote...<BR/><BR/>Gabriella,<BR/>You must realize who the Watchdog and his supporters are. They are people who are bitter, misguided and so far from Jesus that they can't stand to read any advice or counsel offered to them in comments on the blog. This is why you were met with such opposition.<BR/><BR/>December 30, 2008 12:06 PM<BR/><BR/>Wow. It's really sad you think that, Robert. Maybe you'll realize how foolish you've sounded one day when you grow up. Believe me, you've got a lot of growing up to do, son.<BR/><BR/>Hey, I saw your name and phone number on FBC Jax's website recently. Something about signing up people to man the Salvation Army kettle. BTW, how'd that go? Did Doc and Honey and Trey sign up for a shift?<BR/><BR/>Surely you aren't representative of the "man in the pew" at FBC Jax. If you are, then God help you all! Everyone get out before you're assimilated, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71641679443533728452008-12-30T17:37:00.000-05:002008-12-30T17:37:00.000-05:00I have the A-Group working on a website and a new ...I have the A-Group working on a website and a new logo.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29200784722525475392008-12-30T17:36:00.000-05:002008-12-30T17:36:00.000-05:00Robert L. Peeples wrote:"As a Brunson supporter, I...Robert L. Peeples wrote:<BR/><BR/>"As a Brunson supporter, I have had to fight many urges to release my flesh into a nasty argument with the Dog and lose my testimony."<BR/><BR/>Too late, Robert. That ship sailed a long time ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83848382941932853802008-12-30T17:08:00.000-05:002008-12-30T17:08:00.000-05:00I read in this blog that there is this glass ceili...I read in this blog that there is this glass ceiling to the official documents that support such wrongful acts. In so much, there are “rights” under the request of members of a corporation in Florida. If any member requests a copy of the articles of incorporation or by-laws, they are entitled to such request per f.s.s. 617. <BR/><BR/>Also, review the article filed February 18, 2008 at http://www.sunbiz.org/pdf/18100401.pdf<BR/><BR/><BR/>Any such noted issues of concern need to be documented referencing the grievance and offered as a requested attachment from the general members. If you fail to follow this protocol, all else is in vain.<BR/><BR/>Those that wish can continue to post the same issues over and over again but to gain control of any unlawful acts; this must be dealt with under the rule of law. Else, it is like pushing the elevator button over and over again – it feels good but helps little.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35069045803965068392008-12-30T15:48:00.000-05:002008-12-30T15:48:00.000-05:00To the "210" - giving is down. PC registration is...To the "210" - giving is down. PC registration is down. Do you "privileged few" want to stay out of debt? Then give a million dollars...in two weeks.<BR/><BR/>Are you giving it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5294166715087894602008-12-30T15:47:00.000-05:002008-12-30T15:47:00.000-05:00"If I can go back to a baptist church after being ...<I>"If I can go back to a baptist church after being called a drug addict falsely, and then having the people in that church completely ruin the rest of my life... "</I><BR/><BR/>Wow. The whole "rest of your life"? Completely? Goodness, such (melo)drama. I think statements such as this are why people are encouraging you to seek help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22574298910433686782008-12-30T15:46:00.000-05:002008-12-30T15:46:00.000-05:00Check out my new screen saver/wallpaper Dr. Dog:ht...Check out my new screen saver/wallpaper Dr. Dog:<BR/><BR/>http://sal.uindy.edu/WatchDog-logo.gif<BR/><BR/>You need a logo like this. To distribute with those flyers in the church parking lots I am working on for you. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32358891642638929302008-12-30T13:53:00.000-05:002008-12-30T13:53:00.000-05:00Anon 1:40 - I have wondered about the question of ...Anon 1:40 - I have wondered about the question of these trustees and lay leaders. I'll share my thoughts more on this in upcoming articles on the bylaws - but I do believe they've created a monster that is now out of control.<BR/><BR/>Their intent with the bylaw changes I believe was to solidify the power in a very few people, and take away power from the "congregation" to prevent troublemakers from creating problems similar to what occured at Two Rivers in Nashville, and also to prevent "liberal" congregants from exerting their will on the church. As strange as it sounds, I believe they're motives were to do best for the church. But we've given even MORE power to a pastor who really is not a pastor, but is a co-pastor with his wife. And he is a man who views his wife as being smarter, more in-tune with the Holy Spirit than he, and thus he defers to her in many things. They've also allowed their 20-something son to have considerable influence in the affairs of the church, and the family's "third son" Maurilio Amorim also is a trusted advisor that helps son and Mac. I don't think this was ever envisioned when Mac was hired. <BR/><BR/>We've handed over the reigns of the church to a family that we really didn't know, that has control over most aspects of the church through just a few men in the trustees....and there really is NOTHING that anyone can do. The congregation, NOR THE DEACONS could ever call a special meeting after the Dec 07 bylaw changes, unless its approved by the pastor and trustees. The only influence that members or even deacons have is through their pocketbook, sorry to say.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23130568609608513862008-12-30T13:40:00.000-05:002008-12-30T13:40:00.000-05:00Dec.30 12:09: Your comments are right on. Especi...Dec.30 12:09: Your comments are right on. Especially noteing that Dr. and Mrs. Lindsay (both Sr. and Jr.) would not have approved of activities now running rampant in FBCJ. I have noticed the gloves are off, so to speak, with regard to oppression, arrogance and just plain bully tactics, since Shirley's death. She certainly would have addressed "with zeal" these "offenses" perpetrated againt this church. If you knew Shirley, you know what she would say about how this church is being run now. I believe, she was kept in the dark somewhat about some things before her passing. She was flattered and made "comfortable", therefore, not really seeing events happening. After all, a preacher cannot afford to have ALL of the past preachers wives say the same things against him. Doesn't look good. So it would be good politics to make friends with this former pastors wife. Especially since she was so loved and respected. Sort of hiding behind her in a way. We all love and miss her. Church isn't the same without them.<BR/><BR/>Knowing Dr. Lindsay, Jr., I believe he would "straightend out" Brunson in short order. None of this "stuff" would have been allowed. He probably would have served "No Trespass" papers on Brunson.<BR/><BR/>One thing that really puzzles me is; How could the men (trustees and deacons) that served under Dr. Lindsay, and know how he felt, what he preached, and how sacred he held Gods Word, could in any way behave, approve, or in any way support the behavior going on at FBCJ currently? Even the liberties taken with Gods Word are questionable. This really is a huge question in the minds of many. Either they have always done their "service" (?) in the flesh or they have a bad case of forgetfullness. Another possibility is they are so desperate to be "in" with the "in crowd", and have sold themselves out for a "mess of pottage", the favor of a man. At any rate they should be ashamed of themselves and when this regime' is over they will be left with a considerable amount of "egg on their faces". Plus they must face the members they have betrayed. Kool Aid will not help then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50181942579710441982008-12-30T13:04:00.000-05:002008-12-30T13:04:00.000-05:00Gabby,Hits on your blog are increasing because you...Gabby,<BR/><BR/>Hits on your blog are increasing because you're drawing attention to yourself. It's like watching a train wreck. You don't want to look, but you can't help yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47266532655553507682008-12-30T13:01:00.000-05:002008-12-30T13:01:00.000-05:00Watchdog is not a "moron" either, Gabriella. No o...Watchdog is not a "moron" either, Gabriella. No one, not one person here, has called you a "psycho" or any other name. That's the label you're applying to yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58680921141764690432008-12-30T12:54:00.000-05:002008-12-30T12:54:00.000-05:00I believe one only has to read today's entries on ...I believe one only has to read today's entries on G's blog to see what we're saying. No one called her a "psycho who doesn't know her head from her butt" or a "drug addict" or an "illegitimate parent" (all her words). People are genuinely concerned about your seemingly fragile emotional state, Gabriella. Read into that what you will, but I, for one, do believe you need to get help, not because you're "psycho" (your word, not ours) but because you <I>seem</I> to feel very hurt, angry, and unhappy. I do not know the circumstances of your life, but I pray for you. I really do. I wish I knew something else to say, something that would help you realize that "we" are not your enemy, something that would help bring you some peace, but I'm at a loss.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Watchdog is not an "idiot" or a "liar" or a "pig" (your words).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15392889036916817862008-12-30T12:14:00.000-05:002008-12-30T12:14:00.000-05:00Gabriella - please, get some help. Quit blogging h...Gabriella - please, get some help. Quit blogging here at the watchdog site.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23066236463287425442008-12-30T12:09:00.001-05:002008-12-30T12:09:00.001-05:00I am very concerned about where this church is goi...I am very concerned about where this church is going. Where did the Discipline Committee come from? When was it brought before the church? Who decides whether or not someones "sin" or "offense" is worthy of the Discipline Committee? Have these poor people been disciplined according to scripture..? Have they been counseled by the Pastor, have they been given a chance to repent, have they been brought before the church? It sounds like we have a nazi regime in the church, secretly deciding who is "doing" right and who isn't. If that is how FBCJax is going to be led, then the building will be empty in a matter of weeks, as we are all sinners and no one is without sin. The church is a place of healing, love, and acceptance. <BR/><BR/>Of course if the trespassing members would take this to the media, what would that do to our church and its position in the city. <BR/><BR/>God was wise to take Dr. and Mrs. Lindsay to Heaven, as they would have no part of this activity. <BR/><BR/>God have mercy on the leadership of FBCJax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88118401067168701592008-12-30T11:55:00.000-05:002008-12-30T11:55:00.000-05:00It Is Written,Thanks. I really think we should pr...It Is Written,<BR/><BR/>Thanks. I really think we should pray that this lady gets the help she needs. If anyone in the Jacksonville area knows of a free or low-cost counseling center that might be of help to her, please let Gabriella know about it. We can all pray for her to find peace. <BR/><BR/>Anonymous 11:06Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22605177276156921292008-12-30T11:48:00.000-05:002008-12-30T11:48:00.000-05:00"And Watchdog and this blog has nothing to do with...<I>"And Watchdog and this blog has nothing to do with yours, but you didn't mind writing about it on yours."</I><BR/><BR/>Anon 11:20 again...<BR/><BR/>Oops, sorry... cringe... that should have been <I>have</I> nothing to do with yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com