tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6638323357803333684..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: More Brazen Commercialization...FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger155125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18933859688194490412009-06-19T12:26:28.414-04:002009-06-19T12:26:28.414-04:00IMHO, when a man is "called" to pastor a...IMHO, when a man is "called" to pastor a church, then that is what he is to do: pastor that church. His focus is the people in that church. If he decides to write a book, that should be done at home, on his own time. When it takes him away from his duties of shepherding the flock, he has abandoned his "call" of pastoring his church. Much more so if he takes off on one vacation/trip after another. If God has called you to that church, then why are you spending your time on other things? Obviously, mega pastors do this because they are NOT called by God. They agreed to pastor their church solely because of the nice "package" that was negotiated to get them. In my book, anyone who would accept a "call" to pastor based on that (and not accepting the call until the package is in place) is most certainly not "called by God". When God calls you, you go, regardless of the situation in that place. You don't 'negotiate a package' in order to say yes. That alone tells me Mac, and all these other "negotiated package mega pastors" are neither called by God nor care about tending His flock - they are simply exhibiting "the love of money" which is the root of all evil. And those who are uncomfortable with their mega pastors' actions yet still give their offerings, God is going to ask you why you gave to "His" work when you either knew or were very uncertain that that is how your tithes and offerings were being spent. How will you answer Him? The charlatan preachers will have to answer to Him for their actions one day, but so will those who continued to give even after questions arose as to what those contributions were really being spent on. Think about that. Your money is irrelevant to God, but your attitude towards why you give is. Romans 14:23 <br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8366212407914420582009-06-18T16:56:03.210-04:002009-06-18T16:56:03.210-04:00Anon 9:59 am. How did you come to the knowledge th...Anon 9:59 am. How did you come to the knowledge that people in the pews are sleeping around, gossiping, and backbiting on a regular basis? Do they openly discuss their sins in public? Strange behavior if that is happening. Why not tell the pastor so he can preach against this type sin if it is so prevelant!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39227516790020508622009-06-18T15:37:27.569-04:002009-06-18T15:37:27.569-04:00I think it's very insensitive to comment that ...I think it's very insensitive to comment that some folks actions are an embarrasment to the music ministry.<br /><br />That is nothing compared to the damage that has been done to the families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3094944205917058702009-06-18T12:47:41.924-04:002009-06-18T12:47:41.924-04:00Good point. Have the most recent "adulterers&...Good point. Have the most recent "adulterers" at FBC Jax that have embarassed the music department - have they been given trespass warnings? Did they get a letter from the discipline committee demanding they appear before them?<br /><br />Did John Blount call up the JSO and file an OFFICIAL trespass paper on the adulterer? How about the wife of the adulterer. Did SHE get a trespass paper?<br /><br />I think we know the answers to these.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16563802599179402742009-06-18T12:41:38.354-04:002009-06-18T12:41:38.354-04:00there are also folks that are not high profile
i...there are also folks that are not high profile<br /><br /><br />is adultery the undisciplined sin?<br /><br />i'd like to knowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53848310140624654462009-06-18T12:36:18.621-04:002009-06-18T12:36:18.621-04:00Oh how I hope that God spits out these mega-pastor...Oh how I hope that God spits out these mega-pastors on the last day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62448410548303829432009-06-18T12:05:51.491-04:002009-06-18T12:05:51.491-04:00" But, during the normal workday (does any re..." But, during the normal workday (does any real pastor - not preacher- have a normal workday?) is Mac working on his book instead of ministering to his flock? Did the numerous church committees put in his "package" that Mac can work on books and such while in the office at FBC? And can Mac sell such books without any compensation to the church? <br />I am not saying Mac, or any pastor, cannot write books. But if he is on church time, using church resources, church staff, etc, then sales from that book should be shared."<br /><br />Very good questions. What does a typical weekday look like for a mega church pastor.<br /><br />For one, the mega church pastor (mcp) does NOT have the typical admin or operational duties of the typical church pastor'<br /><br />Secondly, he does not have the typical sherpherding duties of the typical church pastor: visiting, counseling, weddings, funerals, etc.<br /><br />They do some of that but are very selective. You are considered someone of importance if the mcp does your wedding or funeral.<br /><br />So, what on earth are they doing? Some are micro managers and are very involved with their direct reports. Some are not and are less involved in that respect.<br /><br />Some other things they have that typical pastors do not:<br /><br />Research/production staff for sermons. Or those who help put together sermon series, etc. The pastor himself does very little in this respect compared to the old days or guys with calloused knees.<br /><br />So what are they doing? Some are writing books, doing a conference, having meetings with community leaders or state, national leaders. Or important members. Playing golf, etc.<br /><br />They complain a lot about being busy but if you look at their schedules, MUCH of what they are involved with has little to do with the church but only indirectly.<br /><br />But, they think that by being involved in such lofty things not only promotes them but also the church since their name is affiliated with the church.<br /><br />The mcp has the life of Riley with tons of help and support.Don't ever let him complain. Yet, he will. <br /><br />It is a lot of pressure keeping a smiley face on all that. One scandal can mess the whole thing up and offerings dry up. They live with that everyday. But that is shallow, wrong thinking pressure. I got so sick of hearing how over worked they are. I told one to shut down his para church organization he had on the side. With publishers and deadlines, marketing conferences, etc. Know what he said? I can't,that is my retirement.<br /><br />But his church promised him a six figure retirement. It is a simple matter of greed folks. Normalized, institutinalized greed. They do not see it. Most in the pews do not see it either. They have been boiled slowly.<br /><br />MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43585429153015368722009-06-18T11:50:56.214-04:002009-06-18T11:50:56.214-04:00What a pompous Pharisee you are. Someone like you ...What a pompous Pharisee you are. Someone like you isn't worthy to even tie Dr. Stanley's shoes.<br /><br />But then, you are probably just a typical Southern Baptist.<br /><br />June 18, 2009 12:11 AM<br /><br />I would not DARE go against Dr. Stanley. He made it clear to Bo Sexton, trustee of Criswell college back in the 80;s that anyone who went against him at his church got cancer, died or lost their jobs.<br /><br />That man has serious power. God kills people who go against him. That is why he could get a divorce and remain the pastor of a huge church and a huge income and have a multi million dollar para church organization on the side.<br /><br />Be sure and send him more money!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71608865585105564962009-06-18T11:25:19.849-04:002009-06-18T11:25:19.849-04:00Anon 10:30- Are you talking about Very High Profil...Anon 10:30- Are you talking about Very High Profile people?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15861045060975473342009-06-18T10:30:09.942-04:002009-06-18T10:30:09.942-04:00welllllll
speaking of folks sitting in the pews w...welllllll<br /><br />speaking of folks sitting in the pews who are sleeping around<br /><br />how did the discipline comittee discipline those folks?<br /><br />there are very recent occurrences which would warrant it or was the discipline committee formed just to get Tom Rich?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20351368403738976512009-06-18T10:14:55.659-04:002009-06-18T10:14:55.659-04:00"If Mac wants to write a book that is his bus..."If Mac wants to write a book that is his business."<br /><br />NO IT ISN'T. It is the business of those that pay his salary. His business is to minister to the flock. Does your boss let you pursue your own intersts during working hours???<br /><br />"some of your fake righteous indignation toward the people in the pews who are sleeping around, gossiping, and backbiting on a regular basis."<br /><br />That is a stereotype of church ppl and you have no proof of this. If you know this to be fact, then what ARE YOU doing about it?<br /><br />So all in all, you're just another thoughtless, obnoxious Mac supporter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5875556137438929702009-06-18T09:59:55.312-04:002009-06-18T09:59:55.312-04:00What a great day on this site. Now I know a bunch...What a great day on this site. Now I know a bunch of details about fallen pastors and that somehow is an indictment of Mac. What a pathetic use of internet space. <br /><br />If Mac wants to write a book that is his business. I'm sure the committees that negotiated his packed covered that issue and gave their approval. The church subsequently approved his hiring and his package so you folks need to calm down a bit. <br /><br />Who he eats with and where is also none of your nosy business. The sad part is that many of you will say that "we pay his salary" and if the truth be told (and with your level of giving if there is any), would probably amount to 1/100 of 1% of Macs's salary. If I were Mac and had you in my church, I would offer to return your pathetic part of my salary. <br /><br />By the way, if you are so worried about unethical pastors why don't you turn some of your fake righteous indignation toward the people in the pews who are sleeping around, gossiping, and backbiting on a regular basis. These are sins that are specifically covered Biblically and not something your mother taught you to condemn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70603078206195092962009-06-18T07:13:25.666-04:002009-06-18T07:13:25.666-04:00I am a former member, not been to FBC since 2001. ...I am a former member, not been to FBC since 2001. Met my wife there and we now live out of state. <br />After we were married, we were "required" to attend David Kayes class for newlyweds. How depressing! After about 2 months we went to a real SS class - the Freeman's young couples class. Kayes class kept telling us how much we are going to fight, what we'll fight about, how many marriages end in divorce, all the ways our marriage can fail, etc. All in the name of making us stronger.<br />Anyway, I always listened to Dr. Lindsay and Vines on the radio, even after we moved out of Jax. I was truly saved there and made some good friends there. Never sat under Mac, heard him on the radio and he does have a different style.<br />I remember Dr. Lindsay talking about how he would not go to restaraunts that served alcohol so as to not damage his witness. <br />Remember when he would talk about Daddies and men having cotton strings for backbones? I can hear him now saying "Shame, shame on you!" <br />WD, great job with the blog. I enjoy reading the different views, some are pretty intense.<br />I like the folks that say "if you don't like it, leave!" and "don't complain against your church staff, they are gifts of God." LOL!! ROFL!!<br />When Jesus didn't like what was happening at the temple, did he just go to another temple that was doing things His way? No, he cleaned house. If church staff are not operating in a Godly way and doing things that give the impression of worldliness, then then somebody needs to clean house. Wait, you are going to say it is up to God, right? You expect God to come down here and do it, or use some of His followers to do it? I can't believe how so many folks expect God to physically manifest Himself to do something about it. Are we the Body?<br />If this "trip" is not a mission trip and not a "church event", who is paying for the advertisement? <br />Can I, or anyone else, apply for a scholarship to go? How is Mac qualified to "host" a trip?<br /><br />A question about WD not having access to the church By-Laws..<br />Are these By-Laws usually voted on annually by the congregation? And should the laws be available for review before voting? Does the church expect thousands of members to come to the library, sign out a copy, sit at a desk, and read them before the vote? <br />What of the legality of keeping the By-Laws hidden away like that?<br /><br />I have a question about Mac taking time to write his book.<br />I understand Mac is given a certain number of excused absences from the pulpit and he can do whatever he wants with the time. But, during the normal workday (does any real pastor - not preacher- have a normal workday?) is Mac working on his book instead of ministering to his flock? Did the numerous church committees put in his "package" that Mac can work on books and such while in the office at FBC? And can Mac sell such books without any compensation to the church? <br />I am not saying Mac, or any pastor, cannot write books. But if he is on church time, using church resources, church staff, etc, then sales from that book should be shared. <br /><br />If Mac wants to meet with some members at an exclusive eatery, fine, go ahead. But if Mac is too busy, or can't seem to get around to meeting some other members at the local pizza joint or a members 1500 sf home, then that is a problem.<br /><br />Last comment and I'm out.<br />Mac wants to start a school because nobody is home anymore for visitation. Alright, let's go with that for a minute. Nobody is home anymore, so why is it so blasted important to get on TV?? Nobody is home to watch it!<br />I'll tell you who is home: wives whose husbands are deployed overseas, the sick, elderly, stay at home moms, how about calling those visitors from last Sunday to schedule a visit, or to just thank them for coming!<br /><br />Alright, I'm done.<br /><br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88842615315243845432009-06-18T02:30:02.168-04:002009-06-18T02:30:02.168-04:00List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)
19...List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)<br /><br />19. Joe Barron, 2008: Joe Barron, one of the 40 ministers at Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest churches in the United States with 26,000 members, was arrested on May 15, 2008 for solicitation of a minor after driving from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13 year-old girl he had met online. The "girl" turned out to be an undercover law enforcement official.<br /><br />20. Todd Bentley, 2008: In August 2008, Todd Bentley, best known as the controversial key figure of the Lakeland revival in Florida "has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors" of Fresh Fire Ministries, "and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life." This was after the ministry revealed he had an "unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff". The announcement came one week after Bentley's ministry announced he and his wife were separating.<br /><br />21. Tony Alamo, 2008: On September 20, 2008, FBI agents raided Tony Alamo Christian Ministries headquarters as part of a child pornography investigation. This investigation involved allegations of physical abuse, sexual abuse and allegations of polygamy and underage marriage. According to Terry Purvis, mayor of Fouke, Arkansas, his office has received complaints from former ministry members about allegations of child abuse, sexual abuse and polygamy since the ministry established itself in the area, and in turn, Purvis turned over information about the allegations to the FBI. Investigators at the scene plan to conduct a search of ministry headquarters and the home of Alamo and interview children present on the compound.<br /><br />22. In 2007, Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) opened a probe into the finances of six televangelists who preach a "prosperity gospel". The probe investigates reports of lavish lifestyles by televangelists including: fleets of Rolls Royces, huge palatial mansions, private jets and other excesses. These luxuries are purportedly paid for by television viewers who donate due to the ministry's requests for tithes. The six under investigation are Kenneth Copeland and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas; Creflo Dollar and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International and Creflo Dollar Ministries of College Park, Ga; Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas; Eddie L. Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga; Joyce Meyer and David Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo; Randy White and Paula White of the multiracial Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613931887262871062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4938294628164690542009-06-18T02:28:24.586-04:002009-06-18T02:28:24.586-04:00List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)
14...List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)<br /><br />14. Paul Barnes, 2006: Paul Barnes is the founder and former senior minister of the evangelical church Grace Chapel in Douglas County, Colorado. He confessed his homosexual activity to the church board, and his resignation was accepted on 7 December 2006. He started the church in his basement and watched it reach a membership of 2,100 in his 28 years of leadership. This scandal was notable because it was similar to Ted Haggard's (above), it occurred in the same state (Colorado) and around the same time (late 2005).<br /><br />15. Lonnie Latham, 2006: In 2006, Latham, the senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church and a member of the powerful Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, was arrested for “offering to engage in an act of lewdness” with a male undercover police officer.<br /><br />16. Richard Roberts, 2007: In October 2007, televangelist Richard Roberts (son of Oral Roberts), was president of Oral Roberts University until his forced resignation on November 23, 2007. Roberts was named as a defendant in a lawsuit alleging improper use of university funds for political and personal purposes and improper use of university resources.<br /><br />17. Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007: Earl Paulk (no relation to John Paulk) was the founder and head Pastor of Chapel Hill Harvester Church in Decatur, Georgia from 1960 until the 1990s. A number of women from the congregation came forward during the 1990s claiming that Paulk had sexual relations with them. Some of these claims have subsequently been proven correct. Moreover, Donnie Earl Paulk, the current senior pastor of the church and nephew of Earl Paulk, had a court-ordered DNA test in 2007 which showed that he was Earl's son, not his nephew, which means that Earl and his sister-in-law had had a sexual relationship which led to Donnie's birth.<br /><br />18. Coy Privette, 2007: Privette is a Baptist pastor, conservative activist, and politician in the U.S. state of North Carolina. Privette was president of the Christian Action League and a prominent figure in North Carolina moral battles. In 2007, Privette resigned as president of North Carolina's Christian Action League and from the Board of Directors of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, following revelations on July 19 that he had been charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613931887262871062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44333585759864007822009-06-18T02:27:37.155-04:002009-06-18T02:27:37.155-04:00List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)
10...List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)<br /><br />10. Paul Crouch, 2004: Paul Crouch is the founder and president of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, or TBN, the world's largest evangelical Christian television network, as well as the former host of TBN's flagship variety show, Praise the Lord. In September 2004, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles raising questions about the fundraising practices and financial transparency of TBN, as well as the allegations of a former ministry employee, Enoch Lonnie Ford, that he had a homosexual affair with Crouch during the 1990s. The Times spoke with several sources that claimed that other evangelists such as Benny Hinn, Jack Hayford, and Paul's son Matthew were aware that an affair had taken place. TBN denied the allegations, claiming that Ford's claims were part of an extortion scheme and that the Times was a "left-wing and anti-Christian newspaper" for publishing the articles. In 2005, Ford submitted to and passed a lie detector test on the ION Television program Lie Detector (TV series).<br /><br />11. Douglas Goodman, 2004: Douglas Goodman, an evangelical preacher, and his wife Erica were Pastors of Victory Christian Centre in London. He came into notoriety when he was jailed for three and a half years for the sexual assault of 4 members of his congregation in 2004. VCC was closed by the Charity Commission but his wife Erica started a new church Victory to Victory in Wembley. The church was one of the largest in the United Kingdom.<br /><br />12. Kent Hovind, 2006: Kent Hovind is an American Young Earth creationist. He is most famous for creation science seminars, in which he argues for Young Earth creationism, using his self-formulated "Hovind Theory". He has been criticized by both the mainstream scientific community and other creationists. In 2006, Hovind had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of 58 federal tax offenses and related charges, for which he is currently serving a 10-year sentence.<br /><br />13. Ted Haggard, 2006: Ted Haggard was the Pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado and was the president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006. Haggard's position allowed him occasional access to George W. Bush. In 2006 it was alleged that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male prostitute who also provided him with methamphetamine. Haggard admitted his wrongdoing and resigned as pastor of New Life church and as president of the NAE. The high-profile case was significant also because it immediately preceded the 2006 mid-term elections and may have even affected national voting patterns. In January 2009, Haggard admitted to a second homosexual relationship with a male church member, Brant Hass, on CNN-TV and other national media, and when asked, would not directly answer a question about his other possible homosexual relationships.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613931887262871062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78574964284953750182009-06-18T02:26:51.378-04:002009-06-18T02:26:51.378-04:00List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)
6....List of Christian Evangelist Scandals (cont’d)<br /><br />6. Mike Warnke, 1991: Warnke was a popular Christian evangelist and comedian during the 1970s and 1980s. He claimed in his autobiography, The Satan Seller (1973), that he had once been deeply involved in a Satanic cult and was a Satanic priest before converting to Christ. In 1991, Cornerstone magazine launched an investigation into Warnke's life and testimony. They investigated Warnke's life, from interviews with over 100 personal friends and acquaintances, to his ministry's tax receipts. Their investigation turned up damaging evidence of fraud and deceit. The investigation also revealed the unflattering circumstances surrounding Warnke's multiple marriages, affairs, and divorces. Most critically, however, the investigation showed how Warnke could not possibly have done the many things he claimed to have done throughout his nine-month tenure as a Satanist, much less become a drug-addicted dealer or become a Satanic high priest.<br /><br />7. Robert Tilton, 1991: Tilton is an American televangelist who achieved notoriety in the 1980s and early 1990s through his paid television program Success-N-Life. At its peak it aired in all 235 American TV markets. In 1991, Diane Sawyer and ABC News conducted an investigation of Tilton. The investigation, broadcast on ABC's Primetime Live on November 21, 1991, found that Tilton's ministry threw away prayer requests without reading them, keeping only the money or valuables sent to them by viewers, garnering his ministry an estimated $80 million USD a year. In the original investigation, one of Tilton's former prayer hotline operators claimed that the ministry cared little for desperate followers who called for prayer, saying that Tilton had a computer installed in July 1989 to make sure that the phone operators were off the line in seven minutes. Tilton sued ABC for libel in 1992, but the case was dismissed in 1993, and Tilton's show was off the air by October 30, 1993.<br /><br />8. Frank Houston, 2000: Frank Houston was a Pentecostal Christian pastor in the Assemblies of God in New Zealand and Australia. In 2000 he was advised to resign his ministerial credentials by his own son, Brian Houston, the National President of the Assemblies of God in Australia (and pastor of Hillsong Church), after Houston Sr. confessed that he had engaged in pedophile sexual activities with a teenage boy while ministering in New Zealand some thirty years earlier.<br /><br />9. John Paulk, 2000: John Paulk is a former leader of Focus on the Family's Love Won Out conference and former chairman of the board for Exodus International North America. His claimed shedding of homosexuality is also the subject of his autobiography Not Afraid to Change. In September 2000, Paulk was found and photographed in a Washington, D.C. gay bar, and accused by opponents of flirting with male patrons at the bar. Later questioned by Wayne Besen, Paulk denied being in the bar despite photographic proof to the contrary. Initially, FoF’s Dr. James Dobson sided with Paulk and supported his claims. Subsequently, Paulk, who himself had written about his habit of lying while he openly lived as a homosexual, confessed to being in the bar, but claimed he entered the establishment for reasons other than sexual pursuits. Paulk retained his Board seat for Exodus, however he did so while on probation. Paulk did not run again for chairman of the board of Exodus when his term expired.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613931887262871062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75811218202629657262009-06-18T02:26:02.534-04:002009-06-18T02:26:02.534-04:00List of Christian Evangelist Scandals
Copied from...List of Christian Evangelist Scandals<br /><br />Copied from Wikipedia.<br /><br />This is a list of scandals related to American Christian evangelists. (Roman Catholic clergy and high-profile leaders from New Religious Movements are not within the scope of this list.)<br /><br />1. Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s: Prior to recent events, the most famous evangelist scandal involved Canadian-born Aimee Semple McPherson in the 1920s, who allegedly had an extramarital relationship and faked her own death as a cover. She later claimed that she had been kidnapped, but a grand jury could neither prove that a kidnapping occurred, nor that she had faked it. Roberta Semple Salter, her daughter from her first marriage, became estranged from Semple McPherson and successfully sued her mother's attorney for slander during the 1930s. As a result of this she was cut out of her mother's will. Aimee Semple McPherson died in 1944 from an accidental overdose of barbiturates.<br /><br />2. Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s: Lonnie Frisbee was an American closeted gay Pentecostal evangelist and self-described "seeing prophet" and mystic in the late 1960s and 1970s who despite his "hippie" appearance had notable success as a minister and evangelist. Frisbee was a key figure in the Jesus Movement and was involved in the rise of two worldwide denominations (Calvary Chapel and the Vineyard Movement). Both churches later disowned him because of his active homosexuality, removing him first from leadership positions, then ultimately firing him. He eventually died from AIDS in 1993.<br /><br />3. Billy James Hargis, early 1970s: Hargis was a prolific author and radio evangelist. Hargis formed American Christian College in 1971 in order to teach fundamentalist Christian principles. However, a sex scandal erupted at the College, involving claims that Hargis had had sex with male and female students. Hargis was forced out of American Christian College's presidency as a result. Further scandals erupted when members of Hargis' youth choir, the "All American Kids", accused Hargis of sexual misconduct as well. The college eventually closed down in the mid-1970s. Hargis denied the allegations publicly.<br /><br />4. Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991: In 1986, evangelist Jimmy Swaggart began on-screen attacks against fellow televangelists Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. He uncovered Gorman's affair with a member of Gorman's congregation, and also helped expose Bakker's infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip). These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart's own adulterous indiscretions with a prostitute. Swaggart was subsequently forced to step down from his pulpit for a year and made a tearful televised apology in February 1988 to his congregation, saying "I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God's forgiveness."<br /><br />Swaggart was caught again by California police five years later in 1991 with another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, "He asked me for sex. I mean, that's why he stopped me. That's what I do. I'm a prostitute." Rather than confessing to his congregation, Swaggart told those at Family Worship Center that "The Lord told me it's flat none of your business.<br /><br />5. Peter Popoff, 1987: A self-proclaimed prophet and faith healer in the 1980s, Popoff's ministry went bankrupt in 1987 after James Randi and Steve Shaw debunked his methods by showing that instead of receiving information about audience members from supernatural sources, he received it through an in-ear receiver.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613931887262871062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10983407682252468922009-06-18T00:11:55.207-04:002009-06-18T00:11:55.207-04:00Anon 3:50,
What a pompous Pharisee you are. Some...Anon 3:50,<br /><br />What a pompous Pharisee you are. Someone like you isn't worthy to even tie Dr. Stanley's shoes.<br /><br />But then, you are probably just a typical Southern Baptist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74470483826838173682009-06-17T19:18:44.373-04:002009-06-17T19:18:44.373-04:00Anon 1:24. Scholars do not agree on just about eve...Anon 1:24. Scholars do not agree on just about everything...thats what makes them SCHOLARS!! Amills will be in heaven just like pre and post. It has nothing to do with entrance into heaven. The blood is the only mechanism that counts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36300777144197423312009-06-17T15:50:58.484-04:002009-06-17T15:50:58.484-04:00"I took one of Dr. Stanley's cruises to A..."I took one of Dr. Stanley's cruises to Alaska a few years ago. It was my fifth week of cruises in that area (and the lowest quality by far other than Dr. Stanley). "<br /><br />Did he preach on divorce? :o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15586259870275958782009-06-17T14:59:38.791-04:002009-06-17T14:59:38.791-04:00My worse nightmare....being stuck on any ship with...My worse nightmare....being stuck on any ship with the Brunsons, much less having to pay for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45785374581498504632009-06-17T14:13:55.783-04:002009-06-17T14:13:55.783-04:00I took one of Dr. Stanley's cruises to Alaska ...I took one of Dr. Stanley's cruises to Alaska a few years ago. It was my fifth week of cruises in that area (and the lowest quality by far other than Dr. Stanley). <br /><br />My conclusion was that unless you thought that a trip with Dr. Stanley was worth about $1200 each that you should take a commercial cruise--and leave from Vancouver rather than Seattle. The trip just works better if you leave from Vancouver.<br /><br />If you do one of these cruises, you should figure out when the evening sermon and singing is and be sure that your dinner seating ends before that starts. They seemed to have only one seating for that and if you were not there early you did not get in. Usually the ships have two evening shows so there is a place for everyone.<br /><br />They sold out the ship with people left on the waiting list--so the cost must have been about right.<br /><br />I don't think that this trip plans to have only FBC Jax people on it--but they would likely be happy if it turns out that way.<br /><br />Maybe we should take a collection and send WD. (Not as a part of the FBC group of course.) This might give him a chance to talk with his former pastor. It will be a lovely (if relatively expensive for most) trip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-130151814122815312009-06-17T13:24:30.231-04:002009-06-17T13:24:30.231-04:00Anon. 11:39 Your problem is you don't believe ...Anon. 11:39 Your problem is you don't believe the Bible!!! Read it! We KNOW exactly what God wants us to know. Go back to the Bible and to what IT says. I am not impressed with your arguments and am not suprised at your lack of understanding. God blesses man when man respects His Word. He gives knowledge as man asks for it and as He chooses. I will take the Bible literally, word for word over mans opinions and time. You are the one that brought a "salvic issue". As you said the SBC had serious salvic issues. My point is Who cares! By the way I am not a Southern Baptist nor am I an Independent Baptist. I am a Bible Believer!<br /><br />June 17, 2009 12:58 PM<br /><br />If this is the case then why do scholars not agree on escatology? Are all the amills going to hell because they are amills?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9828069350165067362009-06-17T13:23:08.068-04:002009-06-17T13:23:08.068-04:00"I will take the Bible literally, word for wo..."I will take the Bible literally, word for word over mans opinions and time."<br /><br />So, I guess that means you are greeting your brothers with a Holy Kiss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com