tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7099515048853358801..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: People Don't Like It When Leaders Use Position to Gain WealthFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83372818758506241282009-03-18T21:45:00.000-04:002009-03-18T21:45:00.000-04:00How much money did Jesus demand of His followers? ...How much money did Jesus demand of His followers? What was His 'take' of the til ? He must have gotten a lot of money for himself and His friends for 'good Christian Mac and wife' to follow His advice and 'Go, do likewise.'<BR/><BR/>The more I learn about Christ from Mac, the more I turn away from Him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52277444666016049252008-10-29T01:35:00.000-04:002008-10-29T01:35:00.000-04:00Thy Peace. I gave my name. Now they can pee on me....Thy Peace. I gave my name. Now they can pee on me.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.<BR/><BR/>Larry.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27337278327504698942008-10-29T01:14:00.000-04:002008-10-29T01:14:00.000-04:00Junkster: Your words reveal you to be wise.OC: I t...Junkster: Your words reveal you to be wise.<BR/><BR/>OC: I think they deleted all WD comments, and cross comments of others to WD on SBC Today. The reason given was, they do not know who WD is or they can not verify who he is. So my understanding is, one needs to provide a name (not screen names), whether it's real or fictitious. Then it becomes kosher for them.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68417747416029572462008-10-29T01:07:00.000-04:002008-10-29T01:07:00.000-04:00Junk,Amen.oc.Junk,<BR/><BR/>Amen.<BR/><BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59104403751834667512008-10-29T01:06:00.000-04:002008-10-29T01:06:00.000-04:00I'm asking questions on SBC Today concerning the f...I'm asking questions on SBC Today concerning the fact that they ignored Watchdogs questions today. I'm sure I won't get any real answers, as Watchdog didn't.<BR/>I already have Mr. Lumpkins lame and weak excuse for why Watchdogs questions weren't answered. I just look forward to much voluminous verbosity aimed at defending the indefensive. As usual.<BR/>It's sad that truth isn't any issue over there.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40600355615469138472008-10-29T00:30:00.000-04:002008-10-29T00:30:00.000-04:00Today I came across the following quote from John ...Today I came across the following quote from John Maxwell:<BR/><BR/><I>Consider the "Path to Abusive Power" in leaders:<BR/>Stage One: Surprise -- "I get this?"<BR/>Stage Two: Self-Esteem -- "I need this."<BR/>Stage Three: Satisfaction -- "I deserve this."<BR/>Stage Four: Selfishness -- "I demand this." </I><BR/><BR/>Many, perhaps most, pastors start without any expectation of special privilege or personal gain as a result of their position, and be genuinely surprised at whatever blessings or benefits come their way from being a pastor. But over time they may become convinced that they need and deserve the perks that come with a position of power, and eventually expect and demand them as their right.<BR/><BR/>May God grant pastors who start out and remain humble servants.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6831731724874614672008-10-28T23:14:00.000-04:002008-10-28T23:14:00.000-04:00It takes a really big man to force a woman out of ...It takes a really big man to force a woman out of a seminary especially since she graduated there and had previously taught Greek as a Phd. But then she was a "paying" student. They will always "take" your money. I find it odd that the reason she was let go was to claim she was teaching bible to men. Two things. 1. Were any of these preachers taught the bible from their mothers? If they were this is an assault on motherhood plain and simple. I guess Lois and her mother Eunice were out of place teaching Timothy because they were women. Not to mention my own Mother and Grandmother who taught me Bible verses as a child. If this had been PP's mother would she had been let go? I don't think so. 2. I assume the SBC is in favor of this firing. There are over 1,200 female ministers that are in the SBC preaching the word to men and women. Assume there are 200 members on average in each of these churches then there are apprx 240,000 members attending these churches. Thats a lot more than have ever attended a seminary in 100 years. Why isn't there an outcry over this? Would it be that the SBC receives a lot of funds from these women led churches? Poor Mrs. Klouda, she was the 1,201st and the number had to be stopped. No more females in leadership preaching to our young seminary students. <BR/><BR/>We have yet to hear from any student that did not agree with Mrs. Klouda. The courts were not going to get in this battle as the Supreme Court would have never have heard her case. Because of the principle of seperation of church and state. That simple. PP and Co. knew this. Courts do not like to get into church and state wars. I would also state that her church let her down, that would be Mac and Co.,in Dallas. Who we know is in lock step with PP. Looks like a Kangaroo court to me. Others would not give her advice from what I have read on various blogs. So forget ever discussing with mega church pastors a change unless it benefits them. It will always be their way or hit the road Jack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11700717445057792422008-10-28T23:10:00.000-04:002008-10-28T23:10:00.000-04:00"Well you have shown yourself. I have sent some em...<I>"Well you have shown yourself. I have sent some emails attacking your <B>out of state cronies</B>. Yes, attack.<BR/><B>They all attack our church</B> and you display their remarks but you censor any attacks on them."</I><BR/><BR/>Sir, I am not a cronie [crony] of WD. It might look like that to you, that I will grant.<BR/><BR/>I am not attacking your church, though it might look like that to you.<BR/><BR/>If you go over all my comments in the past two months, you will see a progression of thinking on this. I initially was supportive of Pastor Mac. When I originally made my first comment here on WD's blog, I was defending Pastor Mac. I continued to do that for a while ... till the Klouda situation happened with Pastor Mac. Then I found about Darrell Gilyard.<BR/><BR/>This is what started my questioning of everything. I was only upset with Pastor Mac, when I found out about the abrogation of Congregational Rule at fbcjax. Even then, if you read my comments, I did not yell or curse or scream at Pastor Mac. But I did express my anger.<BR/><BR/>I do not hate your church. I love your music ministry. I love the people that are part of the Choir and Orchestra. Only lately have I begun to question Pastor Mac and Pastor Smyrl.<BR/><BR/>But I do not hate them.<BR/><BR/>I feel sad, from what I found out recently about the richness of fbcjax of it's past, has been irrevocably lost now. Case in point was my experience of Pastor Mac's sermons. I have assiduously listened in the past year, on my ipod, to his sermons, every evening for 2 hours. For some reason, my scriptural learning has been sadly lacking. Lately I have begun to piece the loose ends, and am realizing that it's due to Pastor Mac's teachings or lack of teachings. This realization came to me, after I was exposed to David Allen's teachings.<BR/><BR/>I will say this again. I do not hate Pastor Mac or Pastor Smyrl. I am just disappointed.<BR/><BR/>But I do sympathize with WD and others here.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17652309281874270492008-10-28T22:44:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:44:00.000-04:00Isn't it great that we have a pastor so brave that...Isn't it great that we have a pastor so brave that he will slander a defenseless woman from his pulpit, and when called out he won't apologize.<BR/><BR/>I guess you are right since you have never slandered the pastor or any of those who don't agree with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55742513707074685882008-10-28T22:32:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:32:00.000-04:00Cry us a river.Try addressing the topics if you wa...Cry us a river.<BR/><BR/>Try addressing the topics if you want to post here.<BR/><BR/>Mac Brunsons abuses are the topic of this blog, buster, not the bloggers themselves.<BR/><BR/>Don't like this blog? Don't like the "out of town" bloggers? Great, start a blog and blog about it.<BR/><BR/>Grow up.<BR/><BR/>Hey, how 'bout that 2009 Promotions Plan for the Pastors Conference? Pretty awesome, huh?<BR/><BR/>Isn't it great that we have a pastor so brave that he will slander a defenseless woman from his pulpit, and when called out he won't apologize.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44685875002967986512008-10-28T22:29:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:29:00.000-04:00Well you have shown yourself. I have sent some em...Well you have shown yourself. I have sent some emails attacking your out of state cronies. Yes, attack.<BR/>They all attack our church and you display their remarks but you censor any attacks on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58243255176277425082008-10-28T22:24:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:24:00.000-04:00WD, here are the definitions of the word slander: ...WD, here are the definitions of the word <B>slander</B>:<BR/><BR/><I> - words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another<BR/><BR/> - aspersion: an abusive attack on a person's character or good name<BR/><BR/> - defame: charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and reputation of someone<BR/><BR/> - In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image.</I><BR/><BR/>So you are correct, here WD. I stand corrected.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16421498058974848382008-10-28T22:18:00.001-04:002008-10-28T22:18:00.001-04:00Sorry Dog. I took your statement "No one here is s...Sorry Dog. I took your statement "No one here is saying Klouda was "right" and ran with it. I misinterpreted what you were saying. My apologies.<BR/><BR/>PS. Some at "SBC Today" have proven themselves as self-absorbed, self-righteous, self-protected sissies. I've watched their cowardly antics before, and I'm not surprised they would run from real questions you have posed. I saw them hike their skirts and run again today. It sure wasn't pretty. They didn't even curtsey first.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46119633365351268652008-10-28T22:18:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:18:00.000-04:00Thy Peace - don't soft sell it.Mac Brunson slander...Thy Peace - don't soft sell it.<BR/><BR/>Mac Brunson slandered Sheri Klouda.<BR/><BR/>And Sheri Klouda was one of his congregants.<BR/><BR/>Shameful.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44472922434739827242008-10-28T22:16:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:16:00.000-04:00"Eventually the pastor did leave."My understanding...<I>"Eventually the pastor did leave."</I><BR/><BR/>My understanding of Two Rivers, is the reason Pastor Sutton was asked to retire [or leave] was because the money receipts were down.<BR/><BR/>On the Klouda case, from WD perspective, Pastor Mac did not speak the truth.<BR/><BR/>I personally believe Klouda was correct. But in the court room, it was ruled on the basis of the First Amendment - Separation of Church and State. That is the court viewed the seminary as a Church in this situation.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60293603193017046392008-10-28T22:14:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:14:00.000-04:00Nah...Mac and Patterson are more like Obama and Bi...Nah...Mac and Patterson are more like Obama and Biden.<BR/><BR/>Attack and slander a down-to-earth, hardworking woman. <BR/><BR/>Mac is a man...a "real" man...took a pot shot at Sheri Klouda in his sermon. I wonder what Debbie Brunson thinks when she hears her husband slander a Christian woman from the pulpit. <BR/><BR/>Pretty sad.<BR/><BR/>Sorry to rile up the SBC Today Kool Aid drinkers. They are working overtime tonight!!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43513523547761319222008-10-28T22:12:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:12:00.000-04:00WD,C'mon and face it. You are becoming like the O...WD,<BR/><BR/>C'mon and face it. You are becoming like the Obama campaign. Anyone who speaks negatively against you or your out of staters are facing your venom.<BR/><BR/> Yes, I know its' your blog but it's more interesting when you have a well thought out response.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28928649229676091082008-10-28T21:55:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:55:00.000-04:00I believe Klouda WAS right, but my point on this b...I believe Klouda WAS right, but my point on this blog as I stated numerous times, was not to argue for or against her case...just to point out:<BR/><BR/>MAC BRUNSON SLANDERED SHERI KLOUDA.<BR/><BR/>Deal with it Tim G.<BR/><BR/>I know its tough.<BR/><BR/>But maybe if Tim R. comes and interviews Mac at PC 09 he can stop slobbering all over Mac's desk, get his nose out of you know where, and ask Mac a direct question: "Why did you say that Sheri Klouda testified that her lawsuit was a direct violation of scripture, when that was NOT her testimony?" <BR/><BR/>No, Mac will get more hard hitting questions like "How did you get to be so AWESOME, Mac?"FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69934521057890904822008-10-28T21:52:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:52:00.000-04:00Sorry, but please look at what happened at Two Riv...Sorry, but please look at what happened at Two Rivers.<BR/><BR/>A group of believers DID demand answers, signed a petition, even went to court for the right to have access to church financial records.<BR/><BR/>They were voted out by the church and its pastor.<BR/><BR/>Eventually the pastor did leave.<BR/><BR/>So I still say: the only vote that we have now, now that the church bylaws have been changed by Brunson with zero explanation to his congregation...IS THE WALLET. Its blatantly obvious that what drives Brunson and what they measure success by is DOLLARS. They know how to market, how to promote. So hit him where it hurts, by not giving to the church. Read your bible on the "tithe" and understand that you've been lied to about what the tithe is and what it is not...and what your responsibilities are as a Christian in the matter of giving.<BR/><BR/>And let's let Brunson and his band of yes men know that we are fed up with the antics, the abuse, and the promotions. Let the giving go down, and see what happens.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18417641332132177452008-10-28T21:49:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:49:00.000-04:00Gee Tim. Mac certainly did lie about Klouda's test...Gee Tim. Mac certainly did lie about Klouda's testimony. That's a fact. But I guess I'm kinda disagreeing with Watchdog too. There is one here who says Klouda was right. That would be me. So now what?<BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57353641424100843752008-10-28T21:19:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:19:00.000-04:00History 101: Founding of Historical Hyprocity at ...History 101: Founding of Historical Hyprocity at FBC Jax. Arrival of Brunson team and A-Group. History in the making circa 2006 to present.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25402050304969197802008-10-28T20:54:00.000-04:002008-10-28T20:54:00.000-04:00Sorry Tim.You're the idiot.No one here is saying K...Sorry Tim.<BR/><BR/>You're the idiot.<BR/><BR/>No one here is saying Klouda was "right".<BR/><BR/>What we are saying is:<BR/><BR/>MAC BRUNSON LIED ABOUT SHERI KLOUDA'S TESTIMONY. <BR/><BR/>Got that Tim G?<BR/><BR/>Coming down to the PC in 2009? I hope so, because Mac is getting lonely and needs some good butt kissing that you guys will surely supply.<BR/><BR/>And he has some EXCELLENT infomercials for you this year!<BR/><BR/>See ya in '09 Timmy Boy!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12759380412653300952008-10-28T20:52:00.000-04:002008-10-28T20:52:00.000-04:00If Kloudia was right, why was the lawsuit dismisse...If Kloudia was right, why was the lawsuit dismissed?<BR/><BR/>You guys are drinking from the same Kool aid that Wade is serving and you are wrong as he is wrong. <BR/><BR/>Ask the judge - it is simple!<BR/><BR/>Then ask yourself - why no appeal? Pretty plain and simple!Tim Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885623376514366024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52690081847820002202008-10-28T20:19:00.000-04:002008-10-28T20:19:00.000-04:00"So now my question is, how would you guys know ho...<I>"So now my question is, how would you guys know how to run a church, handle it's finances, balance a budget, <B>utilize proper marketing strategies</B>, exegete scripture, etc. if you don't even know when our country was discovered?</I><BR/><BR/>I would not utilize ANY marketing strategies.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68639785783738509022008-10-28T20:15:00.000-04:002008-10-28T20:15:00.000-04:00I was referring to what happened in ITALY during 1...<I>I was referring to what happened in ITALY during 1494.</I><BR/><BR/>This is what I found in Wiki: <I>October 22 - Ludovico Sforza becomes Duke of Milan, and starts a chain of events that leads to the First Italian War.</I><BR/><BR/>Is this what happened? Please educate us.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.com