tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7164916032754153279..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: A Glimpse Into How Fundamentalist Baptist Preachers' Minds Work: Agree With Me, or You are a HereticFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62773512470512076922011-08-15T21:12:18.065-04:002011-08-15T21:12:18.065-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91742639508684873152011-08-15T17:34:39.289-04:002011-08-15T17:34:39.289-04:00I don't think you'll be hearing from Les a...I don't think you'll be hearing from Les anytime soon on this blog. <br /><br />I believe he learned his lesson a year or so ago when he tried to preach his storehouse tithing doctrine over here. <br /><br />He was asked too many questions that he couldn't answer. <br /><br />Some people followed him over to his blog to continue the discussion and then he turned off his comments soon after that. <br /><br />He's better off when he can do all the talking and no one is allowed to respond. <br /><br />That way he can remain on the attack and no questions are asked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13669262450670884372011-08-15T14:40:53.052-04:002011-08-15T14:40:53.052-04:00It was said by Anon about Les:
"Does that in...It was said by Anon about Les:<br /><br />"Does that include acting in an R rated movie?"<br /><br />Yea, Les, why don't you cruise over here were you are free to post and explain this one.<br /><br />Me thinks someone is being hypocritical.Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90365889037160377402011-08-15T14:09:30.652-04:002011-08-15T14:09:30.652-04:00"But whoever causes one of these little ones ..."But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea." Mark 9:42<br /><br />Does that include acting in an R rated movie?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81824096128566837042011-08-15T13:59:13.172-04:002011-08-15T13:59:13.172-04:00Les Puryear has know posted the following:
For th...Les Puryear has know posted the following:<br /><br />For those that Ignore God's Word<br /><br />Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isa. 5:20<br /><br />"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea." Mark 9:42<br /><br />Be very careful how you try to sweep away what God plainly says. You will be held accountable. Be very careful how you handle God's word. You will be held accountable. <br /><br />I think he loves saying--You will be held accountable as if it somehow or another he is not accountable. Do you hear the ominous music playing in the background when you read this?<br /><br />I think Les's FUNDAMENTALISM is showing for all to see.<br /><br />I may say it wrong:But how does one compromise with a FUNDAMENTALIST? You just do what ever they tell you to in other words they do not compromise it has to be you.Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34269932557710810972011-08-15T12:23:15.688-04:002011-08-15T12:23:15.688-04:00Anon 10:53
Very, very instructive comment.
This...Anon 10:53 <br /><br />Very, very instructive comment.<br /><br />This shows the mentality of a male-dominated denomination that actually fears women.<br /><br />To think that the sin of homosexuality is somehow related to a woman exercising their God-given gift to teach.<br /><br />Unbelievable.<br /><br />August 15, 2011 12:05 AM<br /><br />Oh don't you know that women are always more easily deceived? The Cross is not enough for them to overcome such a thing and have the indwelling Holy Spirit. they are to remain ignorant and deceieved and their husbands must be their Holy Spirit for them. If they are not married then their father or pastor.<br /><br />(Never mind that Eve admitted it and Adam blamed God and Eve, Adam is still the one God chose to bein charge of Eve. Sure wish I could find that verse! It has to be true because so many pastors teach it...butwait...these pastor are men so it is in their best interest to teach such a thing....for centuries.....)<br /><br />So, the only logical outcome now that women have civil equal rights and are getting uppity for the first time in a few thousandyears, we must equate them teaching men anything with the sin of homosexuality.<br /><br /> See, we have taught people to believe whatever th pastor says and not to study deeply on their own so this will work. We can see that uppity women will lead to homos preaching. <br /><br />Never mind logic or truth. Nevermind Deborah or Huldah. Maybe people won't look into it deeply and we can fool them until Jesus comes back. Then we can make sure only men are behind our sacred furniture in "offices" that do not exist as offices but only functions in the Body. But of course we are not the real Body. Shh. Don't tell anyone. We must keep our gigs of authority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8557777164868303792011-08-15T10:50:45.796-04:002011-08-15T10:50:45.796-04:00Anonymous said...
"I would think if all ...Anonymous said...<br /><br /> "I would think if all of you on this blog stayed home the pastors would be greatly appreciative and I'm sure the church would function much more smoothly."<br /><br /><br />All you <a href="http://video.pastor.tv/video/Following-the-Leader-Koolaid-Ko" rel="nofollow">Kool Aid Drinkers</a>, keep drinking and all will be well.<br /><br />Listen as Leaders are told: you are not into the Kingdom Building, they are not your kids, to suck it up and be under the Authority (of a pastor)<br />Just Keep Saying: <br />To God be the Glory<br /><br />Note: that this Staff Member <a href="http://studentpastorlife.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/" rel="nofollow">Phil Newberry</a> was removed from his 24 year rein of being the Bellevue Baptist Student Pastor, and moved to a new start multi site church. Now he has developed Kidney Cancer. Days are numbered as a Staff Member of the Bellevue Baptist Church.<br /><br />Keep Drinking the Kool AidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49207938971011546942011-08-15T00:05:40.104-04:002011-08-15T00:05:40.104-04:00Anon 10:53
Very, very instructive comment.
This...Anon 10:53 <br /><br />Very, very instructive comment.<br /><br />This shows the mentality of a male-dominated denomination that actually fears women.<br /><br />To think that the sin of homosexuality is somehow related to a woman exercising their God-given gift to teach.<br /><br />Unbelievable.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36914916189949000612011-08-14T23:19:23.460-04:002011-08-14T23:19:23.460-04:001, There is nothing about feminism that leads to ...1, There is nothing about feminism that leads to homosexuality.<br /><br />2. It is not feminism to suggest that, since "in Christ there is neither male nor female" and the usually cited verses are mistranslated and misapplied, women should be treated equally in all respects in the church. It is merely recognizing that God can call anyone he chooses to any place and role he chooses.<br /><br />3. It has nothing to do with Satan, except providing a few more voices to preach against sin and complacency, and therefore against his actions.<br /><br />I believe that Patriarchy is the spawn of Satan.Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35926888864566831152011-08-14T22:53:05.137-04:002011-08-14T22:53:05.137-04:00It is a very slippery slope.
First, Women as Deac...It is a very slippery slope.<br /><br />First, Women as Deacons.<br /><br />Then Women as Elders.<br /><br />Then Women as Pastors.<br /><br />Now Gay Marriage.<br /><br />Feminism has brought Satan in our Churches.<br /><br />It all sounds so innocent.<br /><br />Sort of like that the way that snake in the Garden sounded to Eve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26824712368485146452011-08-14T20:47:42.921-04:002011-08-14T20:47:42.921-04:00The language in the NT is a problem of translation...The language in the NT is a problem of translation. In many cases, the noun or pronoun is implied by the verb form. The usual patriarchally oriented translator (like those employed by King James) will take a verb from that could be translated as "one" and put "he" since that is also appropriate. Also many languages, including the Romance languages, inc. Latin, use the masculine for any plural except the case where all involved are female. So the original language does not necessarily imply men only. Similarly words for husband and wife are often the same word with only a different letter at the end, and the male form is used when the reference is general rather than specific. So "husband" can include wife!Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47276507122088386782011-08-14T19:32:08.734-04:002011-08-14T19:32:08.734-04:00I imagine that most of them already stay home (and...I imagine that most of them already stay home (and sure don't tithe). Most of their time is spent criticizing pastors and other churches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67053206494804484752011-08-14T19:10:19.696-04:002011-08-14T19:10:19.696-04:00I would think if all of you on this blog stayed ho...I would think if all of you on this blog stayed home the pastors would be greatly appreciative and I'm sure the church would function much more smoothly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87036283396809585722011-08-14T18:40:26.425-04:002011-08-14T18:40:26.425-04:00Just do us a favor and stay home.
Every one shoul...Just do us a favor and stay home.<br /><br />Every one should do this if they are concerned about their soul and start using the brain god gave them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39177291880711521602011-08-14T17:14:08.960-04:002011-08-14T17:14:08.960-04:00Just out of curiosity, is there anyone or any prea...Just out of curiosity, is there anyone or any preacher or any church that you people like? If solet me know where so I can come and visit.<br /><br />August 14, 2011 3:20 PM<br /><br />Why? You have never heard of them. they are not conference speakers, authors, don't have mega churches or big para church ministry's and don't hang around with other "christian celebs". Many of them work actual jobs so as not to be a burden on the Body. Their knees are calloused.<br /><br />YOU would not be impressed with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26580287636543344942011-08-14T16:08:05.561-04:002011-08-14T16:08:05.561-04:00Just do us a favor and stay home.Just do us a favor and stay home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47664194240797577082011-08-14T15:20:02.093-04:002011-08-14T15:20:02.093-04:00Just out of curiosity, is there anyone or any prea...Just out of curiosity, is there anyone or any preacher or any church that you people like? If so, let me know where so I can come and visit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11064388587113315192011-08-14T09:58:09.568-04:002011-08-14T09:58:09.568-04:00Anon 7:15,
Hey, I never thought of that. Limit th...Anon 7:15,<br />Hey, I never thought of that. Limit the choir to men only and no solos by women either!<br /><br />Actually, male or female, soloists make me uncomfortable. If it's an opera or The Messiah at a secular theater, that's different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73434157579617038672011-08-14T09:08:03.908-04:002011-08-14T09:08:03.908-04:00Watchdog the issue is not about the prohibiting of...Watchdog the issue is not about the prohibiting of a woman as an elder...it is what is clearly laid out in being an elder. Also, in Timothy the Greek women of the day were syncretizing the myths and such into the fellowship and Paul was addressing that issue. Daughters can indeed preach,testify,sing,be a deacon, etc. but that has nothing to do in overseeing and "formative" discipleship. Should a Christian businessman ignore the unemployed male in his church or fire him? But never does an "overseeer" address this does he in regards to mentoring and exhorting other males. Yet I believe formative discipleship involves teaching males to learn a trade too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87825267954388871012011-08-14T07:52:43.317-04:002011-08-14T07:52:43.317-04:00Also on the Wartburg Watch,
A. Amos Love on Fri, ...Also on the Wartburg Watch, <br />A. Amos Love on Fri, Aug 12 2011 at 10:14 am, said:<br /><br />Anyone… I was wondering…<br />Where are you with the use of the word “leader” for a“Disciple of Christ?” ;-)<br /><br />Jesus always took and recommended the **low place.** Yes?<br />The word “leader” seems like a “high place.” Yes?<br /><br />Seems Jesus has a unique take on “Leaders” for **His Body.** “ONE”<br /><br />As man – Jesus humbled Himself, made himself of NO reputation,<br />and took on the form of a **Servant.** Php 2:7-8. ;-)<br /><br />Why would anyone, male or female, want to be known as a “leader?”<br />Jesus taught “His Disciples” NOT to be called “leader?”<br /><br />Jesus, in Mat 23:10 KJV, told **His disciples** “NOT” to call themselves<br />“Master / Leaders,” for you have “ONE” “Master / Leader” “The Christ.”<br /><br />King James Version –<br />Neither be ye called masters: for “ONE” is your Master, even Christ.<br /><br />The Interlinear Bible –<br />Nor be called leaders, for “ONE” is your leader the Christ.<br /><br />Phillips Modern English –<br />you must not let people call you leaders, you have only “ONE” leader, Christ.<br /><br />Today’s English Version –<br />nor should you be called leader, your “ONE” and only leader is the Messiah.<br /><br />Jesus told **His disciples** NOT to be called **leaders** and NONE did.<br /><br />Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,<br />Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ,<br />Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ,<br />Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God,<br />Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God<br />2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant<br /><br />**His Disciples** all called themselves **Servants.**<br />None called themselves “Leaders.” None? None.<br />None called themselves “Servant-Leader.” None.<br /><br />If Jesus instructed **His Disciples** NOT to call themselves “leaders”<br />and someone calls them self a “leader” or thinks they are a “leader;”<br /><br />Are they a “Disciple of Christ?”<br /><br />Why isn’t what Jesus said important? ;-)<br /><br />And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:<br />them also I must bring, and they shall **hear MY voice;**<br />and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.<br />John 10:16<br /><br />One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice – One leader<br /><br />{{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51594551225411965282011-08-14T07:50:41.885-04:002011-08-14T07:50:41.885-04:00On the Wartburg Watch,
A. Amos Love on Thu, Aug 1...On the Wartburg Watch, <br />A. Amos Love on Thu, Aug 11 2011 at 10:44 am, said<br /><br />"Hmmm? Todays “Pastor/leader?” Is this a “Title” or “Position” in the scriptures?<br /><br />Makes an interesting study. Where are “pastor/leaders” in the Bible?<br /><br />Here’s some questions to ask as you check out the Bible for pastors.<br /><br />In the Bible, How many people are… called pastor?<br />In the Bible, How many people have… the “Title” pastor?<br />In the Bible, How many people are… ordained as a pastor?<br />In the Bible, How many people are… hired, or fired, as a pastor?<br />In the Bible, How many congregations are… “led” by a pastor?<br /><br />And every pastor I’ve met also has the “Title” Reverend.<br />Can’t seem to find anyone with the “Title” Reverend in the Bible either.<br /><br />Why would someone, male or female, take a “Title” NOT found in the Bible?<br /><br />Doesn’t anyone read The Bible?<br /><br />In my experience with “pastor/leaders” and having been in “Leadership” shows me…<br /><br />No matter how loving… eventually…<br />No matter how humble… eventually…<br />No matter how much a servant… eventually…<br /><br />“Pastor.leaders” – will “exercise authority” and “lord it over God’s heritage.”<br />That’s always the beginning of “Spiritual Abuse.”<br /><br />“Pastor/Leader” = exercise authority = lord it over = abuse = always<br /><br />And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:<br />them also I must bring, and they shall “hear My voice; “<br />and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.<br />John 10:16<br /><br />One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice – Jesus<br /><br />Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus…Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18706602116285764222011-08-14T07:15:36.992-04:002011-08-14T07:15:36.992-04:00If women can't preach in a fundamental Baptist...If women can't preach in a fundamental Baptist church then no more women in the choir or women singing solos. A women singing a solo is in effect, preaching to the congregation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31300745983043194432011-08-14T05:56:49.707-04:002011-08-14T05:56:49.707-04:00As I have said before, if pastors are willing to m...As I have said before, if pastors are willing to misuse scripture to tell Christians that they are absolutely obligated to give 10% of their income to a church else they are under a curse, then they are able to misuse scripture to interpret the role of women in the church.<br /><br />The scriptures do not prohibit a woman from functioning in any capacity in the church, deacon or pastor. I've written once about it before, <a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2011/05/as-gift-to-our-mothers-and-daughters.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Eventually I will write more about it.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66145776779586339612011-08-14T03:08:40.165-04:002011-08-14T03:08:40.165-04:00Did not catch that watchdog about the women minist...Did not catch that watchdog about the women ministers statement....your abosolutely right on target with tithing issue but women elders really don't have a precedent anywhere in Scriptures. Some women do in fact do a good job administratively as pastors but the initial aspects with elders in the early church was to be involved in formative discipleship of the newly member adult male. Several years ago I read an article on the missing passive fathers that the culture tended to promote. The rise of the female rights movement coincides with the Hefner mentality of that generation. It is not really a good thing when God does allow a woman to become a good pastor. It really means the men in the culture have lost their proper role in the elder mentoring process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34664615881720093622011-08-14T02:46:34.331-04:002011-08-14T02:46:34.331-04:00Tom,
That's just the resident WD troll. It&#...Tom,<br /><br />That's just the resident WD troll. It's recognizable by its one-sentence-per-line, CAP-filled, multi-!!!!!!! rants. We try to treat it like the gooey thing on the sidewalk. Observe it if you must, but walk around it and never ever touch it!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.com