tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7675171466333394674..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Robert Morris Issues Money-Back Guarantee on Tithe - But Says Christians MUST Tithe to Avoid Divorce, Losing Kids, Jobs to the "Devourer"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger128125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91635029525445132692015-09-11T08:10:38.216-04:002015-09-11T08:10:38.216-04:00"If his own personal experiences weren't ..."If his own personal experiences weren't true..." False. See Ergun Caner and many many other Charlatans. <br /><br />"His stories are true..." Maybe<br /><br />The OT says not to murder, does this mean its now okay?' The Bible has nothing to do with whether murder is okay. Our laws that give the death penalty or life in prison for doing so are what matter! The Old Testament also says to own slaves, kill children, rape women, and kill other nations. Do we still have to do that too? Read my more recent posts. Your kind of thinking can be hurtful and dangerous.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67018614055826101562015-09-11T03:08:38.825-04:002015-09-11T03:08:38.825-04:00His book is compelling. If his own personal exper...His book is compelling. If his own personal experiences weren't true someone would have called him out on it already -- but this has not happened. His stories of how he came to tythe are true and amazing and a blessing. It seems this article is twisting the bible's words. In addition, simply because the new testament does not state laws, does not mean that we can ignore the old testament. For example, the old testament says to not murder. Does this mean that since it does not state this law in the new testament that it is now okay? To whomever reads this, read the book yourself and decide for yourself versus what others think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71153283350441657272015-04-22T15:35:51.815-04:002015-04-22T15:35:51.815-04:00Really? JimBob, brother! Some of the scripture you...Really? JimBob, brother! Some of the scripture you have presented in your argument have fallen flat. Simply due to the fact, some of your key scriptures used were taken out of its original context to fulfill your achievement in this debate. When you take scripture and use it out of its original context it is like spiritual abortion. Rather Pastor Morris does it or not, you are not that much different from debating a different point of view. I say this to expose a flaw, so that it can be tended to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47936508782052730842015-01-26T17:18:21.301-05:002015-01-26T17:18:21.301-05:00I think there are many people conned by Robert Mor...I think there are many people conned by Robert Morris. I have visited Gateway I often wonder if he actually believes some of the stuff he is selling. His latest month of messages on tithing made me want to never go back. <br />You are cursed if you don't give 10% of your salary to gateway church...Oh and don't think of giving it to the poor or splitting it among Christian organizations.....The Storehouse is Gateway Church!!! <br />You need to pay Gateway Church before you pay your mortgage, before you pay your electric bill or anything else....<br />As I was walking out the guy next me mumbled that guy Morris doesn't need any more money, he already has more money than God. <br /><br />Gateway is almost like a cult. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27111339706569046032014-12-17T11:47:19.267-05:002014-12-17T11:47:19.267-05:00Gateway teaches that Southlake, Texas has the high...Gateway teaches that Southlake, Texas has the highest per capita income of any city in the nation because God is blessing the city because Gateway is there serving God. This logic is flawed for so many reasons. Without a doubt Gateway has been serving the Kool Aid and many, many have been drinking it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30898188340637552752014-12-07T16:45:57.888-05:002014-12-07T16:45:57.888-05:00Modern day monetary tithing is perhaps by far the ...Modern day monetary tithing is perhaps by far the most damaging doctrine of demons because look at how it caused cancer and disease in the Body of Christ and paralyzed the Great Commission. The Great Commission would be finished by now! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203189547726567&set=gm.10154914464025022&type=1&theaterStanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682789841240459120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25849214373888544292014-10-30T01:20:39.941-04:002014-10-30T01:20:39.941-04:00I talk based on my own, my mom and best friend exp...I talk based on my own, my mom and best friend experiences, we are giving not from our abundance, but we want to be faithful to Him, we want to obey Him. And you know what? never once we are lacking of anything. Always there is a way that we receive what we need, remember the key is need not want. I do believe also He can take care our lives if we didn't give tithes. But this tithe I believe is a way for Him to make us growing in faith, in believing He is the provider not money itself, it is more like when we give out of our necessity, we learn to be faithful, to have faith and cast out our worry about our life, what we will eat what we will wear, and yes it also shape our character too. I can proof it so do people I know.Jennynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79049967323309906332014-09-07T11:18:10.395-04:002014-09-07T11:18:10.395-04:00Please, please, please. If you don't have it ...Please, please, please. If you don't have it to give monetarily, give of your time. The Bible does tell us to tithe. There are preachers in small churches that preach tithing--apparently you're not visiting those Churches on the days they are addressing it. Tithing to the Church helps keep the Church open, too, (the yard mowed, the cemetery up, etc, water bill paid, electricity, etc, etc.). I have experienced both sides..not tithing and recently began tithing. Neither my husband or I are able to work--we are disabled and have a meager income--(don't judge, I make my own way gardening, etc), we tithe money, garden, everything, and have been blessed beyond measure since we began tithing. (And not just to the Church). We don't go out on the corner and announce what we have done. Now, to those who have lost jobs, etc...maybe God has taken you out of those situations for a reason...something good is about to happen if you lean on him! Don't be angry! Be thankful for what you have and his goodness! He loves you! I will be praying for you!Cherrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05006663980410228510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32097396361258128782014-08-17T07:35:51.474-04:002014-08-17T07:35:51.474-04:00Appreciate the discussion. I have been one who str...Appreciate the discussion. I have been one who struggled in this area. Learnd that givers are always blessed, and blessed in many ways. Google and find many people who've not held back and you will be amazed at who you find were givers. Try giving - know what you are giving to! The worst that can happen is someone else gets fed, clothed, cared for in so many ways. I have not "split hairs" with God between gross or net so God doesn't have to split hairs back to me. Be blessed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46823550148085065112014-07-08T08:18:27.786-04:002014-07-08T08:18:27.786-04:00I do not know this pastor, and have never met him ...I do not know this pastor, and have never met him before, but he is telling the TRUTH. I have tried it both ways. IT WORKS, IT WORKS, IT WORKS!!!. I had extremely bad experiences when I stopped paying. Currently, I am experiencing supernatural blessings. My testimonies will blow your mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54398742316172200972014-06-09T22:43:19.635-04:002014-06-09T22:43:19.635-04:00This is one of the most disingenuous articles I...This is one of the most disingenuous articles I've ever seen. Whoever wrote this has obviously never bothered to actually listen to a single Robert Morris sermon. I have never heard a preacher use more scripture or do more expository than Morris. Sorry his church is bigger than yours, but it is Biblically solid.ksilvey10https://www.blogger.com/profile/12913510920994636945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19143861920363614842014-05-31T13:36:14.325-04:002014-05-31T13:36:14.325-04:00It's interesting that in today's Western c...It's interesting that in today's Western church that so many attack bible preaching pastors like Robert Morris. I have listened to numerous teachings, including the one in question on tithing. He is absolutely correct biblically! <br />Come on people, <br />2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not tolerate endure sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching for something pleasing and gratifying, they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions. <br />This is what is happening to the American church. Get the spirit of the word and get out of your carnal thinking. Gods ways are not our ways. If your money is more important to you than The Lord, then keep it. The question is, how much self do you have in you and how much of The Lord is in you. Get with God and ask him that, he will show you if you have an ear to hear. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50381664999914549322014-05-27T09:44:33.411-04:002014-05-27T09:44:33.411-04:00I have visited Gateway numerous times and the chur...I have visited Gateway numerous times and the church has no cross ANYWHERE. Outside or inside. The real question is about the teaching of Jesus and the resurrection. I actually asked the man wearing a name tag saying "head deacon", and he said "no, we don't have a cross here". Personally, that's all I needed to know. It takes work to omit the cross in a Christian church. I guess this isn't actually a Christian church. Meghannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25686701737664232252014-05-11T15:35:43.941-04:002014-05-11T15:35:43.941-04:00FBC Jax Watchdogs, I'm going to assume FBC sta...FBC Jax Watchdogs, I'm going to assume FBC stands for First Baptist Church, and if so that makes this post even more egregious than it already was. Anyone with even a basic knowledge of the Bible knows that the word tithe means "tenth." So, it is THE BIBLE and not Robert Morris or any other pastor who commands that we give 10%, it is the word of God. Unless of course you don't believe the Word of God to be the Word of God which would not at all surprise me. I think what's got you guys in such an uproar is that Robert Morris is teaching actual scripture, actual biblical truth, which flies in the face of your man made Baptist doctrine. If it doesn't line up with the "Baptist Faith & Message" you don't want to hear it. So who exactly is being deceived? I was saved at age 7 in a Southern Baptist church and thank God for that experience. I also thank God that he delivered me from the Baptist church and has allowed me to learn and grow more in Him. Pastor Robert Morris teaches the uncompromised, unvarnished, and unfiltered Word of God. My guess it is the unfiltered part you have the most problem with because it isn't watered down to fit within the wall of your rigid, deceptive doctrine. Jim L. Chitty: Chancellor, College of Common Sense; President, Institute for Political Incorrectness.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11678747093999753098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35424158721553339672014-04-14T13:59:27.198-04:002014-04-14T13:59:27.198-04:00Pastor Robert Morris is a gift from God. So happy ...Pastor Robert Morris is a gift from God. So happy for his surrender to Christ and his lifestyle of sharing the goodness of God - Gateway church is doing such a tremendous move of leading others to connect with God through the Word and His Spirit. Be blessed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2313330217159957262014-04-02T21:28:09.971-04:002014-04-02T21:28:09.971-04:00A 10 % is o.testament,we are under grace not the l...A 10 % is o.testament,we are under grace not the law! We are under free will giving now 0%~110% it is what ever the holy spirit directs.your paster will not tell you this therefore you should study the scriptures correctly to know the truth.if you give 100% and recieve nothing in return to a true christian it is not about a return on your investment but doing what the lord leads you to give free willingly out of love.you dont want to give more than 10% because your cheap!you only give not out of love but for a profit!understand this, jesus god does not owe you anyhing! We owe him everything for what he has and continues to do.you want to give to get.true christians give (money) out of love with no expectations of payback or a profit.paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56353317263416359092014-03-24T02:15:41.787-04:002014-03-24T02:15:41.787-04:00I have a hard time reading all these comments with...I have a hard time reading all these comments without seeing that the true issue is the love of money itself and what it represents -- security and position. Those who cannot trust God are stingy with what they give Him. They resent the tithe because they hate to give it.<br /> The tithe was only the starting place because Jesus likens the law to a school teacher. The tithe was the first grade. The New Testament takes us beyond the first grade and tells us to give it all -- at least in our hearts. God allows us to keep some for our needs but has the right to ask for it whenever He wants to. <br /> God's biggest competitor is money because we so easily turn to money for our security instead of to Him. If you want to see someone grow in their faith, tell them to tithe. <br /> Someone taught me to tithe when I was trying to eat off of $12 a week. I had just come to God at the time and I saw Him do amazing things in my behalf as I gave Him what He asked for as a first-grader (10%). When I grew in my faith, I gave Him more and more because I saw how He kept His promises. He is so faithful! <br /> Please don't bad-mouth the tithe and discourage anyone from tithing because they are "under grace" -- because someone who is as poor as I was will never think they can afford to tithe and will never see what God can do and will never learn to trust Him for their supply and sufficiency. Their faith will be under-developed.<br /> Yes, I advocate giving God the first 10% before any other bills are paid. That is an exercise in faith and without faith it is impossible to please God. He asked us to test Him. <br /> I know a business man (an atheist) who got saved because he was challenged to tithe by his Christian wife. He did and saw the results.<br /> God speaks (especially to men) through their wallets. Don't devalue that. Sure, under grace, they could give it all, but for the "test" God only asked them to try Him with 10% -- and it still works in our century! Jesus said we shouldn't stop with the tithe but add mercy to it, but not to leave the other (the tithe) undone. If He didn't want us to tithe, He had plenty of chances to say so plainly since surely He knew that someday the command to do so would be challenged. <br /> Tithing was never a means to atone for sin so Jesus' death on the cross did not displace it as it did the ceremonial sacrifices that were part of the old law.<br /> I have met, personally, many tithers and have never one time found anyone who was sorry. That is why Robert Morris could make such a bold offer. Someone can write a comment on the internet and say they tried it and regretted it, when they really had not tried it at all. But I have never known anyone up close in real life (who could be checked out) who tried it and discovered that God did not keep His promises after all--- for whatever reason (such as we are now under grace).Jakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48071250062132265642014-03-08T20:30:26.154-05:002014-03-08T20:30:26.154-05:00When Jesus said that He did not come to destroy th...When Jesus said that He did not come to destroy the Law and that it would not pass away until all things were fulfilled, He asserted that the Law was going to remain in effect for the purpose of showing people their need for salvation. Jesus said that He came to fulfill the Law, and He did so by living a life in total obedience to the Law, and by dying for us who did not live in total obedience to the Law. In addition to fulfilling the demands of the Law, Jesus fulfilled the prophetic foreshadowings and inferences that were presented in the Law.<br />Please feel free to read the scriptures in CONTEXT instead of distortion!paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17028596582970498642014-03-08T20:26:30.736-05:002014-03-08T20:26:30.736-05:00When Jesus said that He came to fulfill, uphold an...When Jesus said that He came to fulfill, uphold and establish the law, He did so by teaching it, living in accordance with its demands, and dying on behalf of all those who failed through their sin.paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-711276574283244822014-03-08T20:25:16.158-05:002014-03-08T20:25:16.158-05:00Galatians 3:10, that if you are under the law, you...Galatians 3:10, that if you are under the law, you are definitely under a curse, because you will never be obedient enough to be under the blessings.paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60871883560793811722014-03-08T20:09:24.248-05:002014-03-08T20:09:24.248-05:00You shall truly tithe all the increase of your see...You shall truly tithe all the increase of your seed, that the field brings forth year by year.<br />And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the TITHE of your GRAIN, of your WINE, and of your OIL, and the firstlings of your HERDS and of your FLOCKS; that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.<br />And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry it; or if the place is too far from you, which the LORD your God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD your God has blessed you:<br />Then shall you turn it into MONEY, and bind up the MONEY in your hand, and shall go unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose:<br />And you shall bestow that MONEY for whatsoever your soul desires, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for drink, or for whatsoever YOUR SOUL DESIRES: and you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, YOU, and YOUR household,<br />And the Levite (paster maybe now today) that is within your gates; you shall not forsake him;( for he has no part nor inheritance with you.)<br />At the end of three years you shall bring forth all the tithe of your increase the same year, and shall lay it up within YOUR gates:<br />And the Levite, (because he has no part nor inheritance with you,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, who are within YOUR gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of YOUR hand which YOU do.<br />Seems do be a difference between food and money here, ,,huh,,I don't remember my pastor telling me about this in church,or using the tithe money on what I want,,,,huh,,,<br />Goodness what bible is this I'm reading?I know my paster said to bring my tithe to his church or I will be cursed!this passage says the opposite, I will be blessed if I do what this scripture says.<br />I wonder who I should believe, Jesse duplantis, or the word of almighty god?<br />Can some one here tell me what to do please?I know He needs my money to fuel his jet.but should I use it for what this scripture says?paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32015797158238089582014-03-08T20:02:27.513-05:002014-03-08T20:02:27.513-05:00Now when the LORD your God blesses you with a good...Now when the LORD your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the LORD your God has chosen. When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household. And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65134139884933424112014-03-08T20:00:42.226-05:002014-03-08T20:00:42.226-05:00You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth...You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the LORD your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the LORD your God.paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27946101622120979382014-03-08T12:17:13.042-05:002014-03-08T12:17:13.042-05:00Even if we were under the old law of tithes,your. ...Even if we were under the old law of tithes,your. Not following it correctly anywaypaulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90281328171251822332014-03-07T20:48:36.242-05:002014-03-07T20:48:36.242-05:00So in keeping the law correctly are you sacrificin...So in keeping the law correctly are you sacrificing animales,,or are you picking and choosing how you want to read the scriptures?<br />Amazing in the N.T. we are not told to sacrifice like in the O.T.,,<br />Thank you for my first morning laugh.paulnoreply@blogger.com