tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7701535122736697936..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: FBC Jax Watchdog Temporarily "Muzzled"...FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger91125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79615368926122928582009-03-20T10:27:00.000-04:002009-03-20T10:27:00.000-04:00wow, this is some sick stuff.wow, this is some sick stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23562799761777897462009-03-19T21:45:00.000-04:002009-03-19T21:45:00.000-04:00Thank you anon 9:24!Thank you anon 9:24!ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33425680510954528492009-03-19T21:24:00.000-04:002009-03-19T21:24:00.000-04:00Hey Jim Smyrl - I am no theologian and I don't hav...Hey Jim Smyrl - I am no theologian and I don't have a worthless M.Div or PhD in theology, but I am pretty sure Paige Patterson is not a Bishop with a capital B. Your "worship" of a man is disgusting and illustrates the problem in the good ole boy SBC where people like you want fame and power and respect. Not a reason to become a pastor Jim. You make me sick!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60491622081194923592009-03-19T21:22:00.000-04:002009-03-19T21:22:00.000-04:00Hey "way i see it" - you think the WD is quick to ...Hey "way i see it" - you think the WD is quick to call the law, check out the punk, bully John Blount III at FBC Jax. He had a detective file trespass warnings during the SS hour against a lady in the church for NO reason. He also has issued numerous complaints against "suspicious" persons. Meaning homeless people that hang around downtown since the homeless shelter is right across the street. But if those homeless get too close to the church doors, good old "reverend" John Blount, III calls the law. And if you call the church to ask any questions, expect John Blount to call the cops on you and Detective Hinson to contact you for "threatening and harassing phone calls" and have you trespassed off the premises.<BR/><BR/>Punks, cowards, bullies. If you don't believe me, request the public records from JSO and ask them for a print-out of every complaint filed from 124 Ashley Street W. Then you will see who the cowards are and who is quick to call the law.<BR/><BR/>Now, back to the issue of the tactics used to attempt to silence free speech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46501546394126502842009-03-19T21:16:00.000-04:002009-03-19T21:16:00.000-04:00Yeah, if you're one of the Bishop's special "sons"...Yeah, if you're one of the Bishop's special "sons" and you're in trouble, he'll be right there for you. Yesiree! (Smyrl's ridiculous story aside.) If you're a Calvinist or <I>anyone's</I> daughter, well... too bad. "The Giant" will definitely be "Out to Lunch."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5109351692730899002009-03-19T20:39:00.000-04:002009-03-19T20:39:00.000-04:00NBBCOF,Heading for the porcelain bank to make a de...NBBCOF,<BR/>Heading for the porcelain bank to make a deposit as we speak.<BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/>oc.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33029581704928327312009-03-19T20:26:00.000-04:002009-03-19T20:26:00.000-04:00BBC Patterson's door was open to everybody but the...BBC Patterson's door was open to everybody but the many women who came to reveal the terror that was Darrel Gilyard!..They only found the door shut with a sign that said "Out to Lunch"!!!it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66245732655890037402009-03-19T19:57:00.000-04:002009-03-19T19:57:00.000-04:00WatchDog, did you have a bad relationship with you...WatchDog, did you have a bad relationship with your Mother? Or are you swallowing your Redman? This is my first visit to this blog and I almost fell out of my trailer when I read all this mess. <BR/>Son, you ought to be ashamed! Are you proud of yourself? I would not want to be your next door neighbor, you would always be calling the law about that sofa on my back porch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78226521206905390012009-03-19T18:14:00.000-04:002009-03-19T18:14:00.000-04:00"These guys are way too powerful and polished to m..."These guys are way too powerful and polished to make a huge legal error."<BR/><BR/>Some said the same thing about RC Sproul, Sr. The 'great' theologian who allowed Ligoneir to sue an anonymous blogger. It just about bankrupted them because donors found out. They even lied to donors who called asking about the law suit saying there wasn't one. But the county court verified there was one and gave the number!<BR/><BR/>Think about it: Offerings used to pay high powered lawyers who were quoted in USA <BR/>Today and the Orlando Sentinel about the blogger. They did not realize what that meant for them. Yeah right. Real polished.<BR/><BR/>No, they just did not think that one through. You usually don't when you are surrounded by yes men who think the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81205350128107827752009-03-19T17:17:00.000-04:002009-03-19T17:17:00.000-04:00Does this make anyone else want to hurl?Mar 17On t...Does this make anyone else want to hurl?<BR/><BR/>Mar 17<BR/><BR/>On the Shoulders: Dr. Paige Patterson<BR/><BR/>Filed Under (Theology Driven Ministry) by Jim Smyrl on 17-03-2009<BR/> <BR/><I>History will more than likely record that no man asserted greater influence in the SBC during our generation than Dr. Patterson. I do not need to recap the valiant battle for the Bible in which he led the charge and won the victory. The purpose of this series is to personally testify to our heroes’ influence from an up-close perspective rather than from a historian’s vantage point. <BR/><BR/>I met Dr. Patterson when I was 23 years old and in search of a seminary. Several people advised me not to go to SEBTS for it was still in the throes of liberal influences. With an open mind, I went to the campus that will forever hold a special place in my heart. Sandra and I joined in with the regularly scheduled tour of the campus, met professors, listened to well rehearsed presentations, but none of it answered my question. My heart remained in a state of uncertainty as to where God wanted me to prepare for a lifetime of ministry. <BR/><BR/>Before departing, we were offered a moment with the Bishop. Entering into his office was like stepping into a war room in which planning for a conservative resurgence as well as an African Safari went hand in glove. His growling voice somehow softened when he smiled with his eyes and offered us a seat under the Great Kudu. After the formal pleasantries my searching heart found resolution. I asked, “Dr. Patterson, why should I come to Southeastern?” Without hesitation but with Pattersonian hyperbole he responded, “God is going to do here far beyond what you will see anywhere else.” With that, I was hooked and ready to move. <BR/><BR/>Over the 3 years of study Dr. Patterson exemplified in the pulpit as well as the study all that I was to be as a minister of the gospel. His passionate proclamation of a well exegeted text served as a model for my future pulpit ministry. His open door policy, even in the stressful days of liberal attacks, continues to remind me that nothing on my desk can ever usurp the need of a person at my door. Those 36 months in the classroom were eclipsed by momentary glances at the man who demonstrated in public and private what it meant to live godly in Christ Jesus. <BR/><BR/>One would think that after graduation, the Giant would have no time for those he called “sons” while on campus. After all, a new generation of young men arrived, primed for Pattersonian influence. But, his time proved to truly rest in the hands of a God Who alone could make hours as profitable as years. My first church was all that I was warned about while in the halls of the mighty seminary. Dr. Patterson remained the one constant adviser throughout the 4-year struggle. One afternoon I called as deacons gathered outside my office for a “confrontation with the pastor,” but I was informed he was in a trustee meeting and could not talk, but a message would be sent to him to call me later. Minutes later my phone rang and the voice of the Bishop offered certain advice in an uncertain time. Later, I would discover that he had stopped the trustee meeting stating, “One of my sons is in trouble.” <BR/><BR/>Through the years Dr. Patterson has been a voice of reason and assuring direction through some of the major decisions of my life. He continues to exemplify that those whom God places in one’s care are forever children called to walk in truth. So I rejoice to stand on the shoulders of a warrior whose press statements are most often contrary to the condition of his heart; of a leader whose reputation is often trampled while he is pouring his life into young men; whose intentions are often questioned while he is on his face before the One who holds him in His righteous right hand. It is on the shoulder of Paige Patterson that I and countless other sons stand in order to see the next generation of children in need of a servant leader.</I>New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34470031039641513702009-03-19T15:51:00.000-04:002009-03-19T15:51:00.000-04:00Well the olive branch has been extended!!!..Thanks...Well the olive branch has been extended!!!..Thanks Tiffany you are one courageous woman and to be admired...You are a bigger woman than I am a man!!!..You have taught many of us a lesson in humility,compassion and a desire for unity and transparency!!!.Now let's see what happens!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51655960631393255452009-03-19T15:45:00.000-04:002009-03-19T15:45:00.000-04:00David Champagne is leaving to go to FSU to get his...David Champagne is leaving to go to FSU to get his master's degree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79978063700394667232009-03-19T15:32:00.000-04:002009-03-19T15:32:00.000-04:00A "disclaimer" of sorts: It is only out of respect...A "disclaimer" of sorts:<BR/> It is only out of respect for my parents and others I love there that I feel the need to disclaim this: <BR/>These comments and opinions are solely mine and do not reflect those of my parents. They adore Dr. Brunson and respect him. They are not in agreement with this blog or any involvement from me, so please do not approach or harass them because of this.<BR/><BR/>As for my role: There isn't one. I am upset that no one seemed to care about this man and his family. I have shared my feelings.<BR/>I am now "embarrassing" my family and many people I love there at FBC by posting. For that embarrassment, I am truly sorry. I hope that it is not irreparable. I hope that you can see my heart and know that I love people and I don't want to see anyone hurt. Many of you know me well enough. <BR/><BR/>However, I also know that we are called to love. We are called to mediate and restore, we are called to live as Jesus would. Jesus called people out (in love) and he then turned around and ministered to them. He healed their hurts and forgave their insults; he turned the other cheek and loved on the wounded. He was available. He was both a shepherd and the Lion of Judah - he loved unconditionally, but he also shined light on the sin. He did this all in love, with great mercy.<BR/><BR/>Have any of you seen the Dateline episodes titled "What would you do?". They secretly video acted out events of random passerby reactions to various shameful acts. Later they let the person know it was an act and they were being taped to see their reaction. It’s very interesting to see things like a baby being left alone in a hot car and many people walking by, obviously disturbed, yet taking no action. Or kids beating up a homeless man and passerby turn their heads (or even stare) but offer no intervention. Or, other more simple things such as a person that has ketchup on their face, or a button undone and no one let's them know. There are many who react and help. Some go to great lengths to step up and help, some call for help, some make comments as they pass by - but they DO SOMETHING. Our society has become a "don't get involved" society, mostly for fear of getting hurt or killed, or for embarrassment, or just for fear of being harshly judged. Is this right? Should we help? That is open to opinion and debate. One thing for sure, God created us all differently. We all serve different purposes in life, especially in kingdom work. Wouldn't churches be ineffective if we all had the same outlook and personality, the same ministry? There are different needs, therefore different solutions.<BR/><BR/>We are created to serve different purposes within the body of Christ. He planned it that way. I feel a deep need to stand up for people being run over by powerful people that are trying to silence them. Does this mean that the actions of the "accused" are all good, right and just? Am I always right in speaking out? Absolutely not. We are all fallible humans. <BR/><BR/>You don’t have to condone the behavior of someone to step up to help them. The homeless person may repel you and yet you wouldn’t stand by and watch kids throw things at him. You wouldn’t stand by and do nothing while a family member did something you knew was wrong, though you love him/her you would speak up. And then possibly defend them if there were a reason to, out of love, not condoning, but apologizing and helping.<BR/><BR/>We should handle things the right way as Christians, on BOTH sides of the fence. I stood by and said NOTHING for a while in this matter, I knew of the things going on long before many of you and knew the validity of some things being said by Watchdog. I said nothing because it was not my place, it is not my church, it was not my battle, no need for idle chatter. I have a family at FBC along with multitudes of friends and leaders that I love and respect. I did not want to do anything that would harm or embarrass them.<BR/><BR/>This man and his family are being lied about (directly or indirectly) and it affects them greatly. Stop and think of the impact this will have on their children. How will they view church leadership after all of this is over? Will they be able to respect and trust again? Will the wounds and pain of lost friendships and an entire church family turning their backs on them be forever life changing? Do you care? The pain of knowing that their father was standing up for something he believed in (right or wrong) and they are watching him be slandered and lied about. Knowing their mother was sitting outside the church while the daughter was singing in church because of a trespass warning served by the church against her parents. They tried to keep their kids in the church hoping things would be fixed and repaired. This did not happen. They did not run, they left because they couldn’t stay.<BR/>They have documented proof of their willingness to meet with the discipline committee (with 3 simple, reasonable requests) and were denied. They know this fact, many of you forget this or simply didn’t know. <BR/>I am certain that all of this could have been settled had that meeting occurred. Why am I certain? Because I know the 6 men that make up the discipline committee, I respect, love and admire them. That with the fact that watchdog did not set out to harm anyone, he wanted some tough questions answered and had concerns about the future of his church and the people in it. Arguably, many opinions as to whether or not this was the best way to handle it. He would have had a reasonable conversation with the committee and they would have all found a solution, he would have chosen the route that best covered his family. They would have all been able to work something out. Instead, that is when things heated up. I am sure looking back, everyone involved would have done things differently.<BR/><BR/>Why can we not stop right here and turn this thing around? That is what (as Christians) we should do. I suggest a meeting next week between the injured parties, Watchdog and his wife and Dr. Brunson. Just them, along with one accountability person for each side. Settle this whole thing once and for all. Admit there are mistakes on both sides and shake hands and move on? Is that possible? Would it be the right thing? We will see.<BR/>I feel that has become a brand within the churches. Cause trouble (by speaking up or asking questions) and you are humiliated and discredited right out of the church. Few Pastors seem to step up and do the really tough, respectful and Godly requirements. <BR/>A good, old fashioned, face to face. "I love you in Christ brother, but I really have a problem with what you are doing. Can we find a solution?" Do you think that would have turned this all around? I do. I know it would have, because I have talked to the watchdog. Please do not post any comments saying that a meeting was offered by the church or never requested by WD, because the WD has documentation of all that has transpired all the way back. <BR/><BR/>Please pray for WD's family (you are called to) and pray for Dr. Brunson as he decides how to handle it all. Please step back and show love, compassion and mercy. This may get really ugly if it continues on its' current path. I truly hope that does not happen.Tiffany Thigpen Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11657259194527290975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67530876820770854782009-03-19T14:01:00.000-04:002009-03-19T14:01:00.000-04:00Just a question WD --Do you know why David Champag...Just a question WD --<BR/><BR/>Do you know why David Champagne is leaving? And his parents have already joined another church -- and that adds another question, why did the church list their new church name(another denomination) when they never list the transfer of membership's new church?<BR/><BR/>David has been a wonderful asset to our church, doing many many jobs and his leaving is going to leave a GIANT vacancy.<BR/><BR/>Is it just more of the same?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68119926497175558782009-03-19T12:20:00.000-04:002009-03-19T12:20:00.000-04:00Joe Blackmon - "Ya know, I'm thinking that if the ...Joe Blackmon - <BR/><BR/>"Ya know, I'm thinking that if the blogger had done what (s)he should have done in the FIRST place which is go to the people he had a problem with personally instead of cowering behind the anonymity the internet provides, (s)he wouldn't have had this problem."<BR/><BR/>You are another "johnny come lately" who has THE answer. Grow up, Joe Blackmon! Read a few posts above your own and you will see what nonsense you have posted for all to see...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71409399996963344232009-03-19T12:03:00.000-04:002009-03-19T12:03:00.000-04:00anon 11:22 - now those that will "latch on" to the...anon 11:22 - now those that will "latch on" to the watchdog's concealing his identity might actually start "latching on" to what Mac is doing to them and the church. (And "latch on" to Maurilio Amorim's influence and what that costs us.)<BR/><BR/>So many "sharp" people now know what the WD is "really" like. After two years they "caught" him being less than forthright. But after 3 years of Mac they have seen NOTHING. Very astute observers. Sheesh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56421012203299701282009-03-19T11:59:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:59:00.000-04:00It is written,I think his profile photo (which an ...It is written,<BR/><BR/>I think his profile photo (which an observant reader described as a cartoon "man in tights and a cape with a sock in his shorts") and the name of his blog -- "Hear <B>God</B> Speak - Bible Commentary" -- finish summing him up. I think these guys put themselves on such high pedestals they truly think they're speaking <I>for</I> God. {shudder}New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32334397823433546802009-03-19T11:44:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:44:00.000-04:00Thanks BBC for the heads up on OHHHH "JOE"...The "...Thanks BBC for the heads up on OHHHH "JOE"...The "former" "part time" pretty much sums up oh "JOE"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3656997434894064882009-03-19T11:31:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:31:00.000-04:00FYI, Joe Blackmon claims to be a former "part-time...FYI, Joe Blackmon claims to be a former "part-time pastor."<BR/><BR/>Scary!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82700415335032976842009-03-19T11:22:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:22:00.000-04:00Anon 10:15 & Anon 10:08,Watchdog never came ou...Anon 10:15 & Anon 10:08,<BR/><BR/>Watchdog never came out and said "I was not the person served the trespass warning". He did however create a false persona (Anon 11:51 from Dec 4 2008) in the comment section of the Dec 1 2008 post "Did you make the list". He posted back and forth between The Watchdog and Anon 11:15. <BR/><BR/>The Watchdog did this to remain anonymous. I am sure he never suspected that law enforcement had been used to obtain his identity. It was however a deception.<BR/><BR/>Most who agree with the Watchdog will look past the deception. Some, like yourselves, will even say there was no deception. However those who disagree with him will latch on to the deception as proof that he is a liar and cannot be trusted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91230533139160246122009-03-19T11:09:00.000-04:002009-03-19T11:09:00.000-04:00Cue the weepy violin music.Ya know, I'm thinking t...Cue the weepy violin music.<BR/><BR/>Ya know, I'm thinking that if the blogger had done what (s)he should have done in the FIRST place which is go to the people he had a problem with personally instead of cowering behind the anonymity the internet provides, (s)he wouldn't have had this problem.<BR/><BR/>Bwess the wittle baby heart. Having such a hawd time. Bwess it.Joe Blackmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05609279285784683781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1592359548568689592009-03-19T10:42:00.000-04:002009-03-19T10:42:00.000-04:00Pastor Wade's blog: Your Honor, Please Help Us Und...<A HREF="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2009/03/your-honor-please-help-us-understand.html" REL="nofollow">Pastor Wade's blog: Your Honor, Please Help Us Understand</A><BR/><BR/><I>Sometimes I shudder when I think about the hard ball tactics used by some Southern Baptists to silence dissent. For the majority of my twenty five years of ministry, there has been a belief in me that most Southern Baptist leaders understand humility, servant leadership, and the grace that is needed to endure dissent. However, after reading the comments on FBC Jacksonville Watchdog's Blog, and specifically those comments that reveal how subpoenas were issued to discover the identity of the Watchdog blog - as well as reading all the relevant public documents myself - there have arisen in my mind a few questions. These questions relate to whether or not FBC church members involved in law enforcement and the courts of Jacksonville were used in order to obtain the private information of a church member, including the Watchdog's identity. Further, there are legitimate questions that should be asked to discern whether or not FBC church leadership used the information they possibly gleaned through law enforcement to possibly intimidate, threaten, or coerce a church member into silence. I do not have the answer to the following questions, I am simply asking. These questions were to be asked personally and privately of FBC leadership, but phone calls have been unreturned for three weeks now, so it is entirely appropriate to ask them publicly.</I>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62761078662014062072009-03-19T10:15:00.000-04:002009-03-19T10:15:00.000-04:00Anon: 8:53: WD did NOT lie about himself!!!! He ch...Anon: 8:53: WD did NOT lie about himself!!!! He chose not to publish his identity, just as I see, YOU have not. The reason being (1) he has a family, (2) we see what the "powerful" and the "polished" have done to a fellow christian AND his family. Want to trade places with him? Power and polish has taken over humility and Godliness in my opinion (which I assume I am still, for the time being, entitled to).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80999282093529465592009-03-19T10:08:00.000-04:002009-03-19T10:08:00.000-04:00WD lied to us about being the one who was served t...<I>WD lied to us about being the one who was served the papers.</I><BR/><BR/>Show us one example where WD claimed he was not the one served papers. You <I>assumed</I> he was not because he wrote about the incident in the third person but you know what they say about assuming... don't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79723280636745161712009-03-19T08:53:00.000-04:002009-03-19T08:53:00.000-04:00Let's see. WD lied to us about being the one who ...Let's see. WD lied to us about being the one who was served the papers. Think there might be a chance he is lying about how and why the leadership at FBC, Jax were able to find out his identity. <BR/><BR/>These guys are way too powerful and polished to make a huge legal error. <BR/><BR/>Just wondering if WD will ever learn to tell the truth about himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com