tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post772511892004555928..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Ergun Caner at Ronnie Floyd's Mega Church: I Pay No Attention to the "Flamers" and "Haters" on the Internet Who Attack MeFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30584171548405984682013-08-06T01:26:34.664-04:002013-08-06T01:26:34.664-04:00This man never admitted to lying despite evidence ...This man never admitted to lying despite evidence to the contrary. Without repentave there is no remission of sins. 1 John holds bad news for people in this position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45734595661921670422011-07-23T03:00:48.694-04:002011-07-23T03:00:48.694-04:00You hit the nail on the head, Watchdog.
What a pe...You hit the nail on the head, Watchdog.<br /><br />What a perfect opportunity for Mr. Caner to use his "scars" to apologize and tell the people at Cross Church his story of the mistakes he made and what he learned from them.<br /><br />But he didn't.<br /><br />Instead, he turns Paul's message into a form of justification for ignoring sin and accountability. Caner is basically saying, "You know all those people that try to call you out on your sin? Well, just ignore them. They are just a bunch of haters trying to bring you down." <br /><br />Well, those "haters" are trying to help him see the truth. Those "haters" are trying to protect people from his lies and deception.<br /><br />But that is what a lot of, if not most, Christians do. We twist scripture to justify our actions. We create God in our own image to make us feel better about ourselves.<br /><br />Another interesting thing I noticed about his sermon was that he completely ignored the topic he was supposed to preach on: "Are We Nearing the Coming of the Lord" and "Islam and the End Times." I wonder why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18020875207698739172011-07-22T11:38:03.626-04:002011-07-22T11:38:03.626-04:00Anon 2:07 pm.
And the next word is?Anon 2:07 pm.<br /><br />And the next word is?Katienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50092495622544655212011-07-21T23:05:26.976-04:002011-07-21T23:05:26.976-04:00Anon 4:22 - stop baiting, and just tell us what yo...Anon 4:22 - stop baiting, and just tell us what you think.<br /><br />Teach us: what criticism here is not ok, and what is ok, and what has crossed the line into defamation. <br /><br />Please, tell us when you have the time available.<br /><br />You have the floor.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-312265760148959562011-07-21T20:24:22.214-04:002011-07-21T20:24:22.214-04:00He is sacrificing to help our kids ...
How is Can...<i>He is sacrificing to help our kids ...</i><br /><br />How is Caner sacrificing? Is he working pro bono at the summer camps?Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51547511370321362512011-07-21T19:35:12.615-04:002011-07-21T19:35:12.615-04:00He is sacrificing to help our kids and I am one Mo...He is sacrificing to help our kids and I am one Mom that really thankful for him.<br /><br />How is this person helping the kids, I don’t see him as funny but only a social engineer who needs help. The kids should be learning how to read the bible so they can have a spine in this homosexual planet. Instead their instead learning how to laugh and learn how to lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49087738167520199062011-07-21T19:27:10.452-04:002011-07-21T19:27:10.452-04:00"He demanded more money and they cut him loos..."He demanded more money and they cut him loose. They were tired of his lies and they saw the money demand as a way out.:<br /><br />Note: They did not see the LIES as a reason to cut him loose.<br /><br />Says a lot about LibertyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49905788397845955042011-07-21T18:00:14.772-04:002011-07-21T18:00:14.772-04:00I am serious. The man is a full blown narcissist. ...I am serious. The man is a full blown narcissist. He is delusional. He has no sense of reality. He is like many on our "christian stages" who would have found a stage somewhere if there had been no easy followers in the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2338756017905349312011-07-21T17:09:09.719-04:002011-07-21T17:09:09.719-04:00I thought it was this guy too.
http://law.liberty...I thought it was this guy too.<br /><br />http://law.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=22651Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64285253940553666482011-07-21T16:45:41.257-04:002011-07-21T16:45:41.257-04:00DSEppling? Hmmmm. Didn't he grow up at FBC? Se...DSEppling? Hmmmm. Didn't he grow up at FBC? Seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89237999395745456012011-07-21T16:38:03.017-04:002011-07-21T16:38:03.017-04:00Fredericka,
I do not know. I only made additions...Fredericka,<br /><br />I do not know. I only made additions about Ergun's mother from Unveiling Islam; Ergun's father from Emir's account of their disowning; the information about the Marine videos, and the Bristol prayer summit. <br /><br />I left the deleting to DSEppling who would delete half the page repeatedly. I definitely was not going to delete anything that I could not prove was false. Apparently Ergun has been trying to wipe the page for months now.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81035044769521297472011-07-21T16:25:36.083-04:002011-07-21T16:25:36.083-04:00Moses, the controverted Wikipedia article says tha...Moses, the controverted Wikipedia article says that Ergun's father "was the architect who built a mosque in Columbus." Has that been verified? I seem to recall Mirele, a blogger, looked into this last year and posted pictures showing that this mosque was an existing structure which was renovated, not new construction. However, when I tried to get back on Mirelle's Miscellany to verify my recollection, I find I've been disinvited. A person can 'build' a mosque or a church in various senses, but when you hear that an 'architect' built, you think of cranes and girders.Frederickahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17071420764901945035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-198629825002769762011-07-21T16:22:12.123-04:002011-07-21T16:22:12.123-04:00'Sometimes it gets ugly, but that's ok....'Sometimes it gets ugly, but that's ok.'<br /><br />It is? By what standard is ugly criticism ok?<br /><br />I'll find time to look back and find a few defamation statements. It will be a few days due to an already full schedule. Until then can you respond to my question above?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41141050373033095322011-07-21T16:18:57.506-04:002011-07-21T16:18:57.506-04:00Bennett Willis said...
"I can't get ...Bennett Willis said...<br /><br /> "I can't get the vimeo video of the Caner/Floyd interview to run." <br /><br />This was working<br /><br /> <a href="http://vimeo.com/26578402" rel="nofollow">Dr. Nick Floyd interviews Dr. Ergun Caner</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74521668382714936912011-07-21T15:49:51.176-04:002011-07-21T15:49:51.176-04:00For anyone who wants to know, I got into an edit w...For anyone who wants to know, I got into an edit war with DSEppling the Executive Vice President of Ergun Caner Ministries at Wikipedia. I never said that Ergun lied that would not be neutral. I try to be fair. Here is the page as it will be frozen until July 31.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergun_CanerMoses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61427500284321082022011-07-21T15:26:22.371-04:002011-07-21T15:26:22.371-04:00I can't get the vimeo video of the Caner/Floyd...I can't get the vimeo video of the Caner/Floyd interview to run. <br /> <br />*1280x720, 125.67MB<br />* Uploaded Mon July 18, 2011<br />* Sorry, not available for download.<br /><br />Does "not available for download" mean that it can't been seen?Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2393118073927137932011-07-21T15:18:10.293-04:002011-07-21T15:18:10.293-04:00Shouldn't those whom declare themselves men of...Shouldn't those whom declare themselves men of God exemplify the teachings of Christ?<br /><br />Would you put your life savings into a trust fund being run by someone from Arthur Anderson?<br /><br />Would you continue to use the same auto repair shop even after you know that they pad the charges for extra money?<br /><br />How many here still cheer for Michael Vick?<br /><br />How many here think about the awesome things that Nixon did in foreign policy or do you go straight for Watergate?<br /><br />So if you hold all of these SECULAR examples to such high standards, why don't we hold our pastors to at least the same standard?<br /><br />We literally hold our government officials to higher standards than our pastors in the pulpits of our church.<br /><br />Something is dead wrong here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16395455608279116042011-07-21T14:07:12.778-04:002011-07-21T14:07:12.778-04:00And once again Calvinism rears it's ugly head....And once again Calvinism rears it's ugly head. "For God so loved the world that WHOSOEVER...".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31955596731416046092011-07-21T13:55:33.804-04:002011-07-21T13:55:33.804-04:00I think Anon 11:00 am made a good point. If you&#...I think Anon 11:00 am made a good point. If you're chosen of God, it doesn't really matter if you're a jerk.<br /><br />If you're chosen, you're chosen.<br /><br />Jacob over Esau-"Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated", etc., etc., etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8523221213320499442011-07-21T12:55:05.752-04:002011-07-21T12:55:05.752-04:00shut UP 7/21 at 11:00 am. STOP MOCKING GOD.shut UP 7/21 at 11:00 am. STOP MOCKING GOD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76617435469850838692011-07-21T11:52:45.559-04:002011-07-21T11:52:45.559-04:00'I just don't get comments like this, espe...'I just don't get comments like this, especially after the senior Pastor called out a member of his church a sociopath in a public newspaper - Mac Brunson has made a lot of comments about inividuals that does not honor Christ.'<br /><br />Brunson was completely out of line in such a comment.<br /><br />'Nothing on this blog even comes close to attacking Brunson like that - I wouldn't even publically call a blood member of my family that.'<br /><br />I wouldn't use Brunson as my standard meter. If Christ were the standard would it make a difference?<br /><br />'I think Tom has been careful to be both true and just.'<br /><br />I addressed my question to Tom because this is his blog. My concern was not over his blog but the many comments being made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25853062550836639682011-07-21T11:40:21.012-04:002011-07-21T11:40:21.012-04:00Greybeard,
Thanks for your kind words. You surely...Greybeard,<br /><br />Thanks for your kind words. You surely understand the culture of Navy Chiefs. I'm well aware that most people don't understand it all. We rarely sit around in the Goatlocker talking, talking, talking about a problem. We set out to fix problems and we rarely fail. Yes, I did send an e-mail to Floyd and I also provided a copy to the Commandant of the Marine Corps. I won't win this battle but I can keep pushing and I will. Sadly, the Marine Corps did not vet Caner so some of the blame can be firmly attached to them. If I know anything about the Marine Corps, they will not make this mistake again.<br /><br />Tom,<br /><br />Yes, Floyd won't care, but it will remind him that there are many Christians who know the truth about Caner. I did ask him if he served the God of truth or the God of lies. My guess is the latter. <br /><br />Anon 11:47,<br /><br />Would you care to ask your son if he learned one of Caner's new additions to the Christian dictionary? Look at the footage of Caner speaking to the marines. He thought so little of them, that he came up with the word "mangina". Enjoy and then rethink what kind of person should be speaking to your child. Caners remarks were crude, unseemly and highly offensive to women. Is that what you want your child to learn? I don't think so. God extends unimagenable grace to us. If Caner ever repents and apologizes, the great majority of us would extend forgiveness to him. But the sin of pride is deeply entrenched in him. It's like watching a train wreck.Katienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76299025589932183192011-07-21T11:00:16.518-04:002011-07-21T11:00:16.518-04:00Read Genesis 12:11-13. Abram lied! Flat out lied! ...Read Genesis 12:11-13. Abram lied! Flat out lied! <br /><br />God blessed him.<br /><br />Ergun followed in Abram's footsteps.<br /><br />Yes, he lied.<br /><br />But just like Abram, Ergun is bringing Glory to God thrill his lies.<br /><br />We have a huge God who does not not this Blog or you.<br /><br />He is sovereign and has predestined Ergun to be an instrument just like Abram.<br /><br />Cal me a troll, but the fact is u am not a troll, I am Truth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43897575146999243062011-07-21T10:52:54.580-04:002011-07-21T10:52:54.580-04:00Some definitions may be appropriate. Slander and ...Some definitions may be appropriate. Slander and Libel must be false statements in print or speech. In the case of a celebrity like Caner, they must be maliciously intentional false statements. If it is true, it cannot be slander or libel. <br /><br />Defamation is a different creature. Defamation doesn't have to be false, it can simply be unjust. One can defame a character by making true statements about someone unjustly. In summary, if the statement is false it is defamation. However even if the statement is true, it can still be defamation if used unjustly. <br /><br />I think Tom has been careful to be both true and just.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31092134217235271152011-07-21T10:45:20.918-04:002011-07-21T10:45:20.918-04:00"For me, the good you can be doing is smeared..."For me, the good you can be doing is smeared with ugly and the outright attack comments which do not honor Christ."<br /><br />July 21, 2011 10:19 AM<br /><br />I just don't get comments like this, especially after the senior Pastor called out a member of his church a sociopath in a public newspaper - Mac Brunson has made a lot of comments about inividuals that does not honor Christ. <br /><br />Nothing on this blog even comes close to attacking Brunson like that - I wouldn't even publically call a blood member of my family that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com