tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7803946513831232628..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: First Baptist Jax Pastor's Conference to Host "Elephant Room II" Simulcast Featuring Steven Furtick, T.D. Jakes, and Mark DriscollFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5014305691790844682012-04-04T14:55:34.896-04:002012-04-04T14:55:34.896-04:00Pastor Mac is doing a great JOB, most of you all a...Pastor Mac is doing a great JOB, most of you all are idiots and full of the DevilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10063454532146419082012-01-24T16:02:55.352-05:002012-01-24T16:02:55.352-05:00I know you won't put my comment up because you...I know you won't put my comment up because you don't want honest opinions... I am praying for you.<br /><br />Try following Jesus instead of a church...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47260456648635091332012-01-24T16:01:39.313-05:002012-01-24T16:01:39.313-05:00Mann! I just found this site! Can anyone say REVE...Mann! I just found this site! Can anyone say REVENGE!!!! How bitter can you be and still say you are a Believer! You are hurting ALL OF US AND OUR LORD doing this the way you are! Get a life and move one! Wow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75719236998077944242012-01-16T09:07:27.711-05:002012-01-16T09:07:27.711-05:00I have almost abandoned the idea of attending the ...I have almost abandoned the idea of attending the Elephant Room 2. Now, as I read about TD Jakes, I am reconsidering. That ought to be interesting. I do not know whom I dislike more Charismatics or Baptist Calvinists, probably the later, but this diversity of opinions should make the discussion less boring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61076523709384679982012-01-10T19:31:34.020-05:002012-01-10T19:31:34.020-05:00Anonymous (January 9, 2012 2:27 PM) said: “This ki...Anonymous (January 9, 2012 2:27 PM) said: “This kingdom under your attack is composed of God's people. It is a spiritual kingdom. Author Gene Edwards, in Tale of Three Kings argues, ‘ ... no [sic] rebellion in the kingdom of God is proper, nor can it ever be fully blessed.’ He rightfully states, ‘...those [sic] who lead rebellions have already proven, no matter how grandiose their words or angelic their ways, that they have a critical nature, an unprincipled character, and hidden motives in their hearts.’ Ultimately, God never honors division in His realm.<br /><br />Christ died for the church (visible and invisible)that [sic] you are seeking to divide. As a fellow-pastor, I remind you that we are called to unity (Eph. 4:1-16).”<br /><br />The worldly manifestation of the Assembly of Messiah is not the Kingdom of YHWH Elohiym. Specifically, while the former and the latter may significantly overlap in certain ways, there is no basis by which to conclude that the former and the latter are <i>strictly</i> the same in form or function.<br /><br />Because of this, the believer in Mashiyach Yehoshua cannot simply grant a Pastor or Rabbi unqualified loyalty as an infallible agent of the Kingdom of YHWH Elohiym. Otherwise, we would not need passages like 1 Timothy 3:2-15, Titus 1:5-9; 2:1-2, 1 Peter 5:2-3, Matthew 7:15-23, and 1 Thessalonians 5:21 to be written to us for our protection.<br /><br />Now, in light of this, the Apostle Shaul and the Apostle Kepha tell us that overseer elders should not be “overbearing” [NIV 1984] (Titus 1:7), “quick-tempered” [NIV 1984] (Titus 1:7), “quarrelsome” [NIV 1984] (1 Timothy 3:3), “lover[s] of money” [NIV 1984] (1 Timothy 3:3), pursuers of “dishonest gain” [NIV 1984] (Titus 1:7), or ones who are “lording” [NIV 1984] their position over others (1 Peter 5:3).<br /><br />Yet, these terms clearly describe many Pastors who demand unqualified loyalty from their churches and unqualified respect from Christians in general.<br /><br />In light of this, Pastor Kelly, let me ask you this: Given the context of how people like Independent Fundamental Baptists view the Pastor’s authority, how do you hold a Pastor who has their congregation firmly believing that they are a God appointed and God equipped mediator who relays God’s will and guidance to them accountable? How can you hold a Pastor who has the power to beat a self-serving interpretation of Biblical Scripture into the hearts and the minds of their submissive congregation week after week publicly and privately accountable? How do you hold a Pastor who promotes the idea that unified submission to him is the basis of his church’s unity accountable?<br /><br />I would like to see how you would answer these questions and, at the same type, maintain your seemingly unqualified opposition to all types of divisions and rebellion within the worldly manifestation of the Assembly of Messiah.1 Thessalonians 5:21noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-853487161943553722012-01-09T14:27:50.325-05:002012-01-09T14:27:50.325-05:00Anonymous said...
Admittedly, excess time dur...Anonymous said...<br /><br /> Admittedly, excess time during the Christmas season, and utter amusement in this ongoing diatribe gave birth to my remarks.<br /><br /> Wade ... the self aggrandizing comparison that "The Internet is the modern Gutenberg press. Bloggers [particularly yours and your accompanying flea bag], are the modern press," is quite absurd. The propagation of the Bible, as the Good News, printed in the language of the people is categorically distinct from your malevolent harangue inflicted upon men chosen of God.<br /><br /> Worse still is the ongoing attack upon His church. First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, where I was a member for many years, stands symbolically as a modern-day legacy of God's faithfulness in North America.<br /><br /> These are kingdom issues ... far beyond the scope of the local pastor sentenced to living within the dismal and oppressive red-clay district of Enid, OK.<br /><br /> This kingdom under your attack is composed of God's people. It is a spiritual kingdom. Author Gene Edwards, in Tale of Three Kings argues, " ... no rebellion in the kingdom of God is proper, nor can it ever be fully blessed." He rightfully states, "...those who lead rebellions have already proven, no matter how grandiose their words or angelic their ways, that they have a critical nature, an unprincipled character, and hidden motives in their hearts." Ultimately, God never honors division in His realm."<br /><br /> Christ died for the church (visible and invisible)that you are seeking to divide. As a fellow-pastor, I remind you that we are called to unity (Eph. 4:1-16). This passage exhorts us to "gentleness" and "humility", showing forbearance of one another.<br /><br /> Shepherd the flock among you. Maybe the "watchdog" can assist you in the task of gathering sheep, instead of scattering them with destructive measures.<br /><br /> Mike Kelly (in the event the name is not captured within the blog)<br /><br /> Together, in His service,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8135695236687124152012-01-02T20:21:35.450-05:002012-01-02T20:21:35.450-05:00I attended the conference for nineteen years but h...I attended the conference for nineteen years but have stopped attending. It was a blessing to hear men like John Phillips, Warren Wiersbe, David Jeremiah...ect... and with Rodney Brooks leading the music it was an oasis for pastors, but all of the above has vanished, the price skyrocketed and the last couple of years I attended it was not nearly as well attended. Frankly I miss it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35436263646395994312011-12-29T15:58:34.727-05:002011-12-29T15:58:34.727-05:00There are some interesting things to be taken from...There are some interesting things to be taken from this elephant room thing. I really enjoyed watching the last one, although I felt that David Platt got rolled over and over being surrounded by mega church pastors who did not share his "radical" mindset. When an issue of controversy surfaced I found myself agreeing with Platt time and time again. I enjoy MacDonald in general too, but for the most part Elephant room 1 played like an apologetic for these men rather than a serious discussion about doctrine. I would imagine part 2 will do the same.<br /><br />I am interested to see what happens with TD Jakes though. The last session saw Macdonald giving a straightforward critique of Jakes' theology. Will that magically fail to be mentioned now?Thomas Goldenhttp://irrelevantgolden.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53518649205750162122011-12-26T20:05:55.119-05:002011-12-26T20:05:55.119-05:00I like to use Google's blog search tool (http:...I like to use Google's blog search tool (http://www.google.com/blogsearch) to see what some people are up to. So, I plugged in //Ed Young Fellowship Church//and MY O MY Ed's got a whole slew of shill blogs and domains cluttering things up, posting his sermons over and over, etc., etc. He's really trying to skew things so that his faithful followers won't find out exactly what's going on. Even plugging in //Ed Young Fellowship Church controversy// gets you information about the church's iPhone app. (What we Android users don't get any love, Ed?)<br /><br />Anyway, someone out there is spending a lot of money on search engine optimization, might be worth a Watchdog look.Southwestern Discomfortnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22845886120158776142011-12-25T21:04:18.537-05:002011-12-25T21:04:18.537-05:00Merry Christmas Watchdog !
Hope Santa brought you...Merry Christmas Watchdog !<br /><br />Hope Santa brought you lots of treats and toys:)<br />God bless you and your sweet family. Thank you for all your tireless work. 2012 will be an interesting year for sure.Sherinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35628325049890474912011-12-25T19:59:28.234-05:002011-12-25T19:59:28.234-05:00It's amazing to see how many people get so upt...It's amazing to see how many people get so uptight when their pretty, perfect world of church is questioned. <br />They dress up, wear their cross necklaces and assorted religious jewelry, go to church in their Lexus RX350 Hybrids and feel good about their decision to hear their weekly pep talk. They are faithful tithers, because, as we know, "it is a sin to rob God by giving less than 10 of your gross income." They attend small group Bible studies which "connect" those who "don't know Jesus" in a meaningful way. They are, in all accounts, the faithful Christians. <br />Yet, they decide to post anonymously on this blog to throw their hate at the blog owner, who is throwing light where there is darkness. The light exposes things that the average, and I mean average, Christian is just incapable of understanding. <br />It all looks so pretty with the perfectly choreographed worship service and lock-step messages from the "true believers." <br />This blog is bigger than FBC. Heck, I have never been to FBC. I have, however, attended a mega-church in Dallas with the same flaws- Fellowship Church with Ed Young Jr. I got here by chance through excellent reporting on what Ed Young is doing in Miami now. I am nearly a decade removed from that church, but the need to show others the unBiblical teachings is so important. Yes, unBiblical. It's time that we become as the Bereans and search scripture to see if what they say is true. It's not about style or preference, it's about being true to the Word of God. That's it for me, at least.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21503713635779589902011-12-25T15:09:27.062-05:002011-12-25T15:09:27.062-05:00Why don't you spread your influence and do som...Why don't you spread your influence and do some articles on Catholic priests who molest boys. There are a lot more of them than there are Baptist staff members who do the same. <br /><br />Better still, let's have a series on Methodist and Pentecostal mega-pastors so we can learn to appreciate the Baptist mega-pastors a bit more. You could always start with Joel O'Steen since he would provide you with plenty to hyperventilate about.<br /><br />At least Gilyard is an actual criminal and not just a mega-pastor that you don't like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12120975667391250342011-12-25T13:28:18.225-05:002011-12-25T13:28:18.225-05:00Merry Christmas to you Seneca or whatever your nam...Merry Christmas to you Seneca or whatever your name really is (I forgot). If this blog is depressing, please don't visit it! This blog is not here to depress people, but to be a source of information and commentary about what is going on in our churches today.<br /><br />Thanks to hopeandfaith and Karen and D and Dee and others for their kind words of support and appreciation for the blog. The blog will continue on into 2012, for its sixth year. Lots more to cover and to write about, so no slowing down!<br /><br />Best wishes to all of you that are readers and commenters of this blog for a great Christmas with your family. I do appreciate all of you, even those of you who express disdain for me and this blog. You do contribute in your own way. ;)<br /><br />The next post, on Darrell Gilyard's soon release from prison, will post early tomorrow.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83189198294881705192011-12-25T11:26:37.682-05:002011-12-25T11:26:37.682-05:00I don't know if the blog is a disgrace, I just...I don't know if the blog is a disgrace, I just find it continually depressing. There's no light, no joy just criticism.<br /><br />(Why do I read it? For the same reason people watch oncoming train wrecks.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61501822024766056862011-12-24T22:50:16.473-05:002011-12-24T22:50:16.473-05:00This blog is a disgrace to Christmas.
Jesus did n...This blog is a disgrace to Christmas.<br /><br />Jesus did not come to Earth to bring trash like this.<br /><br />Repent and grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-493877570626373912011-12-24T22:28:54.780-05:002011-12-24T22:28:54.780-05:00Anon 5:55. Who was served papers not to attend ser...Anon 5:55. Who was served papers not to attend services? Voicing ones opinion on a blog is not worthy of being served with a tresspass notice. You must be in high school. You need to search the scriptures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70190862307317611452011-12-24T19:27:03.569-05:002011-12-24T19:27:03.569-05:00You people are obsessed with what is said on this ...You people are obsessed with what is said on this blog. You people need to follow what your heroes the mega church preachers tell you and stay away from this blog.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12660541267172433502011-12-24T17:55:17.768-05:002011-12-24T17:55:17.768-05:00You people are possessed with mega-church pastors....You people are possessed with mega-church pastors. If you don't like them or what they say, then don't go to their church. Your biggest hypocrisy of all is when you say and act like you are the only "real believers." Hardly.<br /><br />Tom didn't get "slapped in the face." Remember who started the whole thing and it wasn't Mac.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42304067802768219532011-12-24T12:17:53.614-05:002011-12-24T12:17:53.614-05:00Thank you Tom for giving people a forum to finally...Thank you Tom for giving people a forum to finally feel free to talk about the things that have been troubling Christians for years. The usual way of being fed up with what is going on with our mega pastors and the complete disregard for the people in the pews is to be silent and simply leave rather than try and solve the problems. When a mega church decides to build a specific building just for prayer when people are in dire need of the Lord's touch through His church....I could no longer stand for it. When you see the arrogance and the hard line tactics taken by these "men of God", you yearn for someone to speak out....I read the Wartburg blog and know that there are so many who are trying to wake people up. You have been attacked and hurt to the core after serving the Lord for many years, only to be slapped in the face. I know there are people sitting in the pews that do not dare speak out...but, want to remain in church where their friends are. I yearn for a time where the pastor knows your name, and even will come when you need him....where the Bible is taught verse by verse...where the biggest amount of tithing is for the benefit of the lost, hurting people around us, and where, I feel I am as much a part of the business of the church as the pastor....where pastor's salaries and benefits are in black and white on a printed page....where there is real regard for the suggestions and needs of the congregation. Pipedream???? With God, all things are possible.hopeandfaithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24862061287685563732011-12-24T09:01:30.065-05:002011-12-24T09:01:30.065-05:00Watchdog Merry Christmas to you and your family. K...Watchdog Merry Christmas to you and your family. Keep up the good work you have and are doing. The real Bible believers know for a fact that you are a watchman on the wall. Unfortunately, some people just don't like you and mostly for what you stand for...truth and the American Way!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76231263786601377822011-12-23T16:58:47.370-05:002011-12-23T16:58:47.370-05:00Add my voice to the chorus of "this blog is n...Add my voice to the chorus of "this blog is needed"! It levels the playing field considerably, hence the reason mega-church pastors deride bloggers. <br /><br />Keep up the good work, Mr. Rich. I live in Charlotte...the Furtick Kingdom. People are slowly becoming aware of how it's all about Steven and less about God. I'd like to think blogs like this one are the reason. <br /><br />Merry Christmas! <br /><br />KarenM in NCKarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01683889145037000073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10259736805674822032011-12-23T16:30:02.609-05:002011-12-23T16:30:02.609-05:00Dec 23, 12:28
AMEN !!Dec 23, 12:28<br /><br />AMEN !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77749156530451483322011-12-23T11:44:48.848-05:002011-12-23T11:44:48.848-05:00Dec. 23, 10:05 & 10:59, well said!
Tom, I wan...Dec. 23, 10:05 & 10:59, well said!<br /> Tom, I want to echo what others have said: your blog is really needed and we appreciate what you're doing. Christmas blessings to you and your family. And Merry Christmas to all the readers.<br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78273374230429964412011-12-23T10:59:54.281-05:002011-12-23T10:59:54.281-05:00I am more and more convinced that this blog and bl...I am more and more convinced that this blog and blogs like it are necessary in this day when mega-churches and CEO pastors will have no tolerance for anyone questioning their tactics. They serve on each others boards and look out for one another when it comes to their exorbitant salaries and questionable theology. <br />In the last week I learned about Mickey my Mouse Driscoll, Freaky Furtick and "Rub my belly and get a wish" Jakes. <br />I believe their formula works, not because it is from God, but because we as a society can only relate to bumper-sticker Christianity. <br />When they boast of 10 or 20 thousand in weekly attendance, I say phooey, that's paltry. I say maybe it would be 10 or 20 times that if they didn't treat their ministry like a temple to themselves. <br />The gospel doesn't need fancy marketing. Look at what's happening is sub-saharan Africa and China.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29214241450999255392011-12-23T10:05:43.524-05:002011-12-23T10:05:43.524-05:00As wise and sweet as Guinell was she was wrong whe...As wise and sweet as Guinell was she was wrong when she told Mac "God had called you to Jax" as she was on the Search Committee who made the decision. Personally I believe the Search Committee did the calling not God. If it was God FBC would not be in the mess it is in. The church woud be growing not declining.<br /><br />Thanks W/D for your ministry - Merry Christmas to you and your family. We appreciate your blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com