tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8107010508989298680..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Many Pastors Only Give Lip Service About Missions - But Their Passion Really is for Cruises and Vacations to the Holy LandFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80242736950863108472014-01-31T10:52:42.476-05:002014-01-31T10:52:42.476-05:00As a missionary in central america, this type of s...As a missionary in central america, this type of stuff is appalling to me. It's rampant and occurs in many different denominations and movements. These "pastors" care very little for the Gospel - it's basically all about "self" and where they can go on a vacation or conference. And those who join them are just as guilty. Just compare a megachurch pastor's salary with the average support a missionary receives. We would love to have just $100 more a month so we can feed some hungry kids - but they need a cruise. This will all come into judgment in the end. God is going to destroy this Babylon system that has taken over His church. The pastor is not God and we do not need these megachurch buildings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55959912868431984462011-10-29T20:10:41.898-04:002011-10-29T20:10:41.898-04:00Way to go Tom, now you can add "never have an...Way to go Tom, now you can add "never have another evangelist at your church unless you want to be filmed in a porno scene" to your resume. Who has contempt now? What a hypocrite you are. Repent and shut down this site until you spend some quality time in prayer, study, and repentance.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52675413127975144482011-10-29T00:39:15.788-04:002011-10-29T00:39:15.788-04:00Keep 'em coming David!Keep 'em coming David!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89506832426580403762011-10-29T00:10:27.960-04:002011-10-29T00:10:27.960-04:00Contempt is a word that would be best used for you...Contempt is a word that would be best used for your "heart." Many pastors give lip service to missions: exactly how do you declare that you are a judge of your brothers. Let's reverse this: Tom, otherwise known as Dawg gives lip service to the truth but he can't handle the truth about his own failings. I did not start a web blog to attack pastors and churches, many of whom you have never had one conversation with. Really I don't have contempt for you, it is ore like pity. As you said, "keep them coming," Tom and add to your spiritual resume of tearing down the "body of Christ." You are not going to get a "well done" from me, but the real question is what will your Lord say to you?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45857412109376157812011-10-28T16:45:52.608-04:002011-10-28T16:45:52.608-04:00WD, I really hope you're wrong about "Dav...WD, I really hope you're wrong about "David" being a pastor, though I am probably overly-optimistic.<br /><br />I re-read his original post in this series and was overwhelmed by the use of the word "I" as he contrasted his spiritual superiority to "you"<br /><br />I think he plagiarized that work--stealing his lines from his spiritual brother in Luke 18.Ed Franklinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878045658191730881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43643152530182960332011-10-28T10:48:08.741-04:002011-10-28T10:48:08.741-04:00David - I really do enjoy reading your words that ...David - I really do enjoy reading your words that are full of contempt for me. It's not often that we get such a glimpse into the heart of a pastor who speaks from the heart as you are. Keep 'em coming!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33382978264900066482011-10-28T10:39:50.344-04:002011-10-28T10:39:50.344-04:00Well, what is Tom? Do you give more than lip servi...Well, what is Tom? Do you give more than lip service to missions? Do you hold yourself to the same standard that you are holding men that you do not even know.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-632701702646527292011-10-27T12:07:35.470-04:002011-10-27T12:07:35.470-04:00To the Dawg:
My comment to you was specific in li...To the Dawg:<br /><br />My comment to you was specific in light of your criticism of these trips to the Holy Land. First, I wanted you and others to realize the value of such a trip in so many ways that still impacts me and others many years later. Secondly, since you seem to always harp on money, I wonder what you do with your time and money. If you are not going on cruises then how do you spend your money, and do you go to more "spiritual" places on mission. Again, this is your argument, not mine, though others think I spiritualized the conversation. I was simply taking your bend and finding out if you are a man who backs up his big words? Tom, if you are going to being accusatory toward a "brother in Christ" (again you accused me of not knowing your spirit but you are constantly doing the same thing though in a much more public way of giving their name, church, basic background, and even resume--which yours would be an interesting one to see) then it seems to be that you better be "above reproach" as the word says. I wonder if you really believe that you are doing the "Lord's work" as you believe it or if you are spitting out hatred from what has been reportedly done to you at FBC?Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72052467973283112652011-10-26T12:37:34.058-04:002011-10-26T12:37:34.058-04:00David said...
"You constantly rag on pastor...David said... <br /><br />"You constantly rag on pastors as if you have a personal vendetta, and quite frankly, Tom it is quite old. <br /><br />You seem like a bitter and depressed person, Dawg. <br /><br />In to many cases, you speak like you have the spiritual gift of knowledge and are able to comprehend what every pastor should or should not be doing. <br /><br />......I wonder, Tom, how many "unreached people" groups you have spent your own time and money on in the past 5 years."<br /><br />So in other words Dawg, SHUT UP , yous don't what yous talkin about.<br /><br />Here's one on thems edukated preaching at SBTS<br /><br /> <a href="http://vimeo.com/31104188" rel="nofollow">Greg Belser:</a> <br /> <br />"May I tell you in ministry there will be few, because of your superior theological training here at the seminary, there will be few who will stand toe to toe and argue the finer points of theology with you? In the congregations that you serve and the context that you serve you will probably be either the first, second, or third most educated theological mind in almost any conversation. You will fight to not be too proud of that. I'm giving you that strong instruction today. You will fight to not think more highly of yourself than you ought to."<br /><br />Now Dawg, that's what you could have been doing the last 5 years.<br /><br />By the way, seminary's are now calling it <a href="http://www.swbts.edu/campusnews/story.cfm?id=271BBCC0-15C5-E47C-F9D2D5021A50DFD8" rel="nofollow">Missiologists</a> for those Doctors out there.<br /><br />Oh and don't miss this at SWBTS, a <a href="http://www.swbts.edu/campusnews/story.cfm?id=36ADB705-15C5-E47C-F926200710011705" rel="nofollow">Steinway</a> experience ... Oh My... aren't those piano's heading out the back door of churches, like the organs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3647363694918842352011-10-26T10:57:15.137-04:002011-10-26T10:57:15.137-04:00"The local mega here also has a benevolance f..."The local mega here also has a benevolance fund. By the time the poor single mom fills out all the paperwork, proves she is not at fault for the divorce, etc, it is months before she sees any help."<br /><br />Which MEGA are you referring to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85246643284890953432011-10-26T09:16:04.082-04:002011-10-26T09:16:04.082-04:00while it's one thing to criticize pastors for ...while it's one thing to criticize pastors for making money off taking their people to Israel (or any other destination for that matter), it's worth pointing out that it can be a great experience to visit israel.<br /><br />easy to over-market and hype the "Walk where Jesus walked" experience, but if a pastor paid for the trip instead of making money off it, and took people from the church at the real cost, it could be a faith-growing experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41633580685272282482011-10-26T07:11:25.969-04:002011-10-26T07:11:25.969-04:00Hi David - I'm glad to hear that you went on a...Hi David - I'm glad to hear that you went on a trip to Israel and it was beneficial.<br /><br />Also, I commend you for going to minister to people and to lead people on mission trips instead of vacations to Israel. As I said in this article, I acknowledged that there are preachers like yourself doing the right thing.<br /><br />It saddens me, however, that as a preacher you choose to have such a bitter spirit towards me and write with such disdain and assume to know my state of mind. I am certainly not bitter nor am I depressed! I am very happy and fulfilled, and I am a believer just as you are.<br /><br />So blessings to you, I hope you keep doing the right thing and leading mission trips and not vacations and cruises.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56365660288261108722011-10-26T06:55:35.712-04:002011-10-26T06:55:35.712-04:00WD, Do not stop bringing these things to light. I...WD, Do not stop bringing these things to light. I have served in a mega and you are totally right on. They are receiving their reward here on earth and may never realize it unless the HS breaks through in their lives, I pity those He does not convict to repentance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55871398633654274512011-10-26T06:20:46.246-04:002011-10-26T06:20:46.246-04:00To David (11:46)
The Christian life is not a compe...To David (11:46)<br />The Christian life is not a competition with everyone keeping a log of 'money given to unreached people groups' or 'time given to unreached people groups'!<br />While it is healthy to dialogue and discuss these pressing issues affecting the church in America, the dialogue should not dissolve to the 'well.. how many people have you led to the Lord?' question as if that forms part of the debate. It appears to be more of a comeback when dialogue and intelligent comments are exhausted. <br />I'm not keeping count and my understanding is that we are probably not aware of those we touch with God's love as we 'give cups of cold water' etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68502609845298300152011-10-26T00:14:41.448-04:002011-10-26T00:14:41.448-04:00Or
PsRobertMorris Robert Morris
"If you give...Or<br /><br />PsRobertMorris Robert Morris<br />"If you give to God FIRST, He’ll provide for you & protect you…Tithing brings PROVISION & PROTECTION. (Malachi 3:10-11)"<br />23 OctAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54728879460439829162011-10-25T23:46:21.438-04:002011-10-25T23:46:21.438-04:00My wife and I went to Israel about 15 years ago an...My wife and I went to Israel about 15 years ago and it was the experience of a lifetime. In terms of preaching and passion, this is the most significant trip that I have ever taken. As a pastor I can testify it certainly benefits the person who is trying to "teach in the footsteps of Jesus." <br /><br />You constantly rag on pastors as if you have a personal vendetta, and quite frankly, Tom it is quite old. You seem like a bitter and depressed person, Dawg. In to many cases, you speak like you have the spiritual gift of knowledge and are able to comprehend what every pastor should or should not be doing. <br /><br />BTW: You should know that I didn't take a group nor did I personally benefit from said trip. My church was gracious enough to give the time off to make this "educational trip." I have over the years encouraged other people to go to Israel if they had an interest but I never felt compelled to take a group to Israel, but I have taken groups to "unreached people" groups around the world and the participants did not pay my way. I wonder, Tom, how many "unreached people" groups you have spent your own time and money on in the past 5 years.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33288436009389054292011-10-25T23:19:00.913-04:002011-10-25T23:19:00.913-04:00Random:
Who needs a good word-cursing today?
PsR...Random:<br /><br />Who needs a good word-cursing today?<br /><br />PsRobertMorris Robert Morris<br />If God is first in your life, EVERYTHING will come into order. If God is not first, NOTHING will come into order.<br /><br />And just know it doesn't mean how much you love God. You've got to give him 10 percent or God doesn't love you! Keep scattering the flock you moneychanger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43619533390206740052011-10-25T22:59:26.552-04:002011-10-25T22:59:26.552-04:00Commenting on this one:
"I can empathize wi...Commenting on this one: <br /><br />"I can empathize with losing a job and even possibly losing you house but the reality is the economy and how the feds have totally messed it up. I own my own company and just like all of my friends who also own their own companies we are not going to hire anyone until the feds get out of the way."ect., ect.<br /><br />Wow. And do you really think the Feds are going to simply get out of the way when they are collecting trillions on behalf of the mega-banks? They're just going to step aside at the wave of your hand, so your little business can prosper? <br /><br />I see this all the time where people think they are part of this international power structure. Sorry to break it to you, but you are not a part of the billionaires club running this showdown between good and evil; prosperity and destitution.<br /><br />Then you put down the Occupy Wall Street movements. I don't agree with everyone they say or do, but at least those young people have a backbone. They're seeing what their futures look like. They're also seeing that anyone over age 35 doesn't give a rip because they're too busy watching football and Dancing with the Stars. <br /><br />This is not about you, anyone else, or a church giving money to people. It is about caring enough to stand up for what is right and showing a little sensitivity along the way. Pastors that showboat around on cruises on a tithe they pulled out of their hurting congregations is not showing sensitivity at all.<br /><br />Your selfishness, lack of compassion and ignorance will hurt you, too, when the economy completely tanks.<br /><br />And the billionaires club isn't going to give you a bailout, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65832989805269803102011-10-25T22:18:11.867-04:002011-10-25T22:18:11.867-04:00"I notice Jesus did not vet people before he ..."I notice Jesus did not vet people before he healed them or fed them.<br /> Good thing. Most would not have passed your qualifications."<br /><br />This is how one mega church does it<br /> <br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wL8duc5aKc" rel="nofollow">Dental Bus</a> <br /><br />only can help the few who register with a church to get that one seat on the bus.<br /><br />The real agenda starts at 2:28<br />Promote Bellevue Baptist Church<br />and then get other churches to pay for it. <br /><br />The Bus Costs 400,000+, plus gas Insurance, Supplies, etc<br />as well as $100,000+ in Administration costs of the person running it. (Dentist are currently Volunteers but will be putting one on Staff shortly)<br /><br />A very expensive toy<br /><br /><br />compared to how it was done in <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20124982/long-lines-for-free-health-care-in-laL" rel="nofollow">California</a> <br /> as a true community effort without an agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8557570108561146992011-10-25T21:11:40.708-04:002011-10-25T21:11:40.708-04:00Yeah, the MLM types are "real good" at g...Yeah, the MLM types are "real good" at giving financial advice. Buy more tools, conference tickets, etc.<br /><br />A good idea to google and look at all the lawsuits over such things at high levels before you get involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6854095648328713052011-10-25T21:07:39.054-04:002011-10-25T21:07:39.054-04:00"...because I earn a decent living and live w..."...because I earn a decent living and live well below my means many of my friends who are unemployed benefit from the Lord's blessings on my business."<br /><br />Smells like a MLM ie "My Friends", "My Business".<br /><br />They just love to ensnare some unemployed into their web."<br /><br />You are right. It does sound like typical amwayese. perhaps this anon is downline from James Merritt.<br />:o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1259347757891467472011-10-25T21:07:11.108-04:002011-10-25T21:07:11.108-04:00"...because I earn a decent living and live w..."...because I earn a decent living and live well below my means many of my friends who are unemployed benefit from the Lord's blessings on my business."<br /><br />Smells like a MLM ie "My Friends", "My Business".<br /><br />They just love to ensnare some unemployed into their web."<br /><br />You are right. It does sound like typical amwayese. perhaps this anon is downline from James Merritt.<br />:o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7147102855736422802011-10-25T21:06:45.099-04:002011-10-25T21:06:45.099-04:00"...because I earn a decent living and live w..."...because I earn a decent living and live well below my means many of my friends who are unemployed benefit from the Lord's blessings on my business."<br /><br />Smells like a MLM ie "My Friends", "My Business".<br /><br />They just love to ensnare some unemployed into their web."<br /><br />You are right. It does sound like typical amwayese. perhaps this anon is downline from James Merritt.<br />:o)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81242764069368694952011-10-25T13:41:13.461-04:002011-10-25T13:41:13.461-04:00"If you want a real treat in life you should ..."If you want a real treat in life you should eat supper with three or four of them. They nearly break their necks trying to be in the spotlight of the conversation."<br /><br />Been there and done that. Vines was the only one that ever fit this bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15611195282906244682011-10-25T13:39:55.350-04:002011-10-25T13:39:55.350-04:00"My guess is that the lawyers got it."
..."My guess is that the lawyers got it."<br /><br />My guess is that they took in on contingency which means they got 33% or so.<br /><br />Lawyers are like the IRS, they always get theirs and I bet you they don't share it with anyone out of work or losing their mortgage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com