tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8219967422360961505..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Mohammad Khan's Videos Back on YouTubeFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39196223830894547722010-05-28T20:13:23.251-04:002010-05-28T20:13:23.251-04:00Hey there Lydia,
You wrote: Richard, one last thi...Hey there Lydia,<br /><br />You wrote: <i>Richard, one last thing. I believe Caner is poseur. That is my opinion based on listening to quite a few of his 'talks'.<br /><br />The fact he became the go to guy for Islam says more about Western Christianity than it does about him, incredibly. We need to listen to men less and Jesus Christ, more.<br /><br />I believe there are a ton more poseur's in Western Christendom. </i><br /><br />I'm glad we see eye-to-eye on those points!<br /><br />It's been very good discussing this with you. I think it's very important that folks see there are two very different points of view concerning the relation between Islam and the West. I say most people mistake Islamism for Islam, and you say that Islamism is the truest representation of Islam. I hope folks will investigate this more.<br /><br />RichardBibleWheelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433635934495780332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41896702699560763232010-05-28T20:05:15.522-04:002010-05-28T20:05:15.522-04:00Richard, one last thing. I believe Caner is poseur...Richard, one last thing. I believe Caner is poseur. That is my opinion based on listening to quite a few of his 'talks'.<br /><br />The fact he became the go to guy for Islam says more about Western Christianity than it does about him, incredibly. We need to listen to men less and Jesus Christ, more.<br /><br />I believe there are a ton more poseur's in Western Christendom.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34421264083003071792010-05-28T19:58:54.600-04:002010-05-28T19:58:54.600-04:00Richard, To understand Islam we should read their ...Richard, To understand Islam we should read their scriptures. There are quite a few out there trying to 'rehabilitate' Islam.<br /><br />"Is this true? Have you never known a truly spiritually minded Muslim who is indistinguishable in every way but creed from a devoted Christian?<br />"<br /><br />I have known many gentle sweet Muslims. One sweet Muslim soul cared for my mother when she was very ill.<br /><br />I would not call them spiritually minded. Perhaps I define "spiritual" differently than you. <br /><br />But then I have known some very gentle wonderful athiests full of integrity and compassion who behaved more "Christian" than most Christians. One was a man with whom I worked. Most wonderful man I have ever known. A man who would die before he ever told a simple lie. Curious, isn't it?<br /><br />I also do not subscribe to "creeds". I believe that being a Christian is about "Christ in us". For even Satan "believes" in Jesus Christ.<br /><br />You bring up a good point about historical Christianity which is a bloody, prideful mess. But was it <br />really Christianity? Some think so.<br /><br />Even so, what does it have to do with what our scriptures teach in the NC? That is our big problem. We used to follow kings and magistrates. Today, too many are still following men instead of Christ.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41405705200447613852010-05-28T18:24:16.930-04:002010-05-28T18:24:16.930-04:00ThyPeace wrote: Richard: Thanks for your honest an...ThyPeace wrote: <i>Richard: Thanks for your honest answer. Reading from your blog, I could not ascertain where you stood currently. No, it would not have impacted my reading your blog or comments. Truth is Truth, whether said by a Christian, a Moslem or a Hindu or an Atheist. God bless you, Sir.</i><br /><br />Thank you ThyPeace. I am in the midst of a big transformation. The blog is only beginning to reflect my new understanding. Many blessing to you.BibleWheelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433635934495780332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76661023371608021612010-05-28T18:16:38.765-04:002010-05-28T18:16:38.765-04:00Hey there Lydia,
You wrote: And I am speaking ab...Hey there Lydia, <br /><br />You wrote: <i>And I am speaking about people that I really love. We can love individual Muslims without becoming apologists for, or defenders of Islam. Islam is evil. And they are in bondage to evil. The women are not only in bondage to evil but also to the males.<br /></i><br /><br />I am not "defending Islam" any more than I am "defending Christianity" when I say that slavery and the crusades were a perversion of it. I am simply speaking truth as I understand it. That form of "Christianism" was no less evil than the "Islamism" that you are mistaking for Islam. <br /><br />You write as if you have never known a gentle spiritual Muslim devoted to loving God and his fellow man. <br /><br />Is this true? Have you never known a truly spiritually minded Muslim who is indistinguishable in every way but creed from a devoted Christian?<br /><br />RichardBibleWheelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433635934495780332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32933094623637850892010-05-28T18:14:42.481-04:002010-05-28T18:14:42.481-04:00Richard: Thanks for your honest answer. Reading fr...Richard: Thanks for your honest answer. Reading from your blog, I could not ascertain where you stood currently. No, it would not have impacted my reading your blog or comments. Truth is Truth, whether said by a Christian, a Moslem or a Hindu or an Atheist. God bless you, Sir.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59405401440713051612010-05-28T18:06:38.068-04:002010-05-28T18:06:38.068-04:00Hey there Lydia,
I had written: "It appears ...Hey there Lydia,<br /><br />I had written: <i>"It appears that you have been thoroughly misinformed about what Muslims actually believe."<br /></i><br /><br />To which you replied: <i>No offense, Richard, but that is what I was thinking about you.</i><br /><br />Don't worry ... I take no offense at all. It's all just a matter of misunderstandings. <br /><br />So let me ask - how many books have you read written by folks with a positive view of Islam? If the answer is "zero" then you might want to consider the possibility that your view might be a wee bit imbalanced, if you know what I mean. <br /><br />And merely reading one book is insufficient. The world is awash in lies put out by Islamist and Christianist political movements that are at WAR with each other. They want war. The see each other as enemies and they want BLOOD. DEATH. <br /><br />TRUTH is the first casualty of war. So I urge you to get informed. Take Ergun Caner as a warning. He knew NOTHING of Islam and yet became the "go-to guy" for an "insider's view" of everything about Islam for evangelical Christians who now are being used as pawns in a political anti-Christian war. <br /><br />All the very best,<br /><br />RichardBibleWheelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433635934495780332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29753663470740467642010-05-28T17:54:20.321-04:002010-05-28T17:54:20.321-04:00ThyPeace asked Richard "Are you a Christian o...ThyPeace asked Richard "<i>Are you a Christian or a Moslem?</i>"<br /><br />Why do you ask? Is not the truth or falsehood of my statements independent of my personal religious beliefs? <br /><br />But in answer to your question: I have identified myself as a basic non-denominational "Bible-believing Christian" for the past couple of decades. But I have recently found that I am quite unhappy with "Christianity" and "Christians" in nearly every way and I don't think it would be accurate anymore to say that I am a Christian. It is interesting that <a href="http://www.biblewheel.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/22/ergun-caner-emitic-ipecac/" rel="nofollow">God used Ergun Caner as a potent syrup of ipecac</a> to cleanse my system of the last remnants of false sectarian exlusivist political fundamentalist Christianism. <br /><br />And no, I am not a Muslim. I have only recently begun to study it in response to the misinformation put out by Caner.<br /><br />RichardBibleWheelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433635934495780332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7519308813762499432010-05-28T17:05:08.695-04:002010-05-28T17:05:08.695-04:00"It appears that you have been thoroughly mis..."It appears that you have been thoroughly misinformed about what Muslims actually believe." <br /><br /><br />No offense, Richard, but that is what I was thinking about you.<br /><br />Check out Jay Smith on youtube and his phander film vinyettes on Islam. He is a Christian who is also an Islamic scholar based in London who debates and engages Muslims all the time. And he loves Muslims while telling the truth about the Koran. <br /><br />We do not need the translation that inserts Christians and Jews. Other translations speak of any who do not convert.<br /><br />I have been involved with Muslims since I was a preteen. Some have lived in my home. I am involved with some now. One thing I know is that the average Muslim does not really know their scriptures (including the Hadith). They know the 'rules' because they grew up with them. They are raised in very honor/shame environments and can be seen to easily adapt to the West because of their gift of hospitality that was instilled early.<br /><br />But make no mistake about their loyalties.<br /><br />And I am speaking about people that I really love. We can love individual Muslims without becoming apologists for, or defenders of Islam. Islam is evil. And they are in bondage to evil. The women are not only in bondage to evil but also to the males.<br /><br />Have you engaged Wario, an ex Muslim, who is a defender of Caner's version of Islam? Is Khan going to out him as a fake ex Muslim, too? Do you see where I am going with this?<br /><br />Defending Islam or trying to teach folks what it really is...is a rabbit trail that is a dead end.<br /><br />Our bigger problem is that Caner does not really represent Christianity and having the indwelling Holy Spirit bearing fruit.He is even paid to represent Christianity. It is not about how he presents Islam. This situation is not about Islam but about "What is Christianity". <br /><br />Christians do not consistently and willfully lie for years and years while knowing truth. (Hebrews 10: 26-31)Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82205021476192733282010-05-28T15:01:16.563-04:002010-05-28T15:01:16.563-04:00Richard at BibleWheel:
Are you a Christian or a M...Richard at BibleWheel:<br /><br />Are you a Christian or a Moslem?Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31551875212473406682010-05-28T14:23:53.919-04:002010-05-28T14:23:53.919-04:00Hey there Lydia,
You wrote: Then why the dancing ...Hey there Lydia,<br /><br />You wrote: <i>Then why the dancing in the streets in Dearborn MI by American Muslims after 9/11? Seems they understood the 'bad' translation. Another example close to home was a doctor who could not contain himself and started cheering as he and his staff watched the second plane hit. His staff was mortified. These are people who live among us and were thrilled at what happened. </i><br /><br />Any Muslims "dancing in the streets" were obviously influenced by the politicized version of Islam known as "Islamism." It is a political movement using Islam as a tool to recruit new members and control them. It's the same kind of vile abuse of religion that we see historically in Christianity during the Middle Ages or when "Christians" justified slavery using the Bible. I get the impression you have not yet informed yourself about this problem which is so common in most institutionalized forms of religion. <br /><br />As for the "bad translation" - yes indeed, it is highly likely that some of the folks dancing in the streets had read the <a href="http://www.biblewheel.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/09/beware-of-the-halali-khan-quran/" rel="nofollow">Halali-Khan perversion of the Quran</a> that inserts words against Jews and Christians not found in the original text.<br /><br />I think it is really really important that you take a day to get informed about what Muslims really believe. The best intro is <a href="http://www.biblewheel.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/19/rwho-speaks-for-islam-what-a-billion-muslims-really-think/" rel="nofollow">Who Speaks For Islam?: What a Billion Muslims Really Believe</a> which reports on the results of Gallop's 50,000 hours of polling. The results will blow your mind. It appears that you have been thoroughly misinformed about what Muslims actually believe. <br /><br />All the very best,<br /><br />RichardBibleWheelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433635934495780332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28182366687204191652010-05-28T10:53:18.631-04:002010-05-28T10:53:18.631-04:00I am simply taking issue with a Christ follower ca...I am simply taking issue with a Christ follower calling someone a friend who desires to discredit Jesus. That'll preach.<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Jesus called us friends. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. <br /><br />"That'll preach?" Really, Keith? Is that little phrase like saying "that dog won't hunt?" One of your preacher boy cliches you spout off thinking you are impressing someone or being cute.<br /><br />That WON'T preach, Keith. What will preach is "love your enemies, do good to those that harm you." A man's Muslim faith is not a reason for me, as a follower of Christ, not to attempt to be, or consider him a friend. Your attitude, Keith, is what makes organized religion scary. And confirms the view that Liberty attendees are are a bunch of fundamentalist wackos. YOU are the type I would hesitate to call friend. And if I ever get a job application from a Liberty grad, I will discard it immediately. I don't need some arrogant, fundamentalist bigot on my employment team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-92106711887582497202010-05-28T09:55:21.268-04:002010-05-28T09:55:21.268-04:00he loses credibility just like you do when he star...he loses credibility just like you do when he starts making attacks like "he's bald" "he has a weight problem"... Just like your comments about how Smyrl was getting fat. How do you think those things advance your point of view? Also, he clearly states in his first video that Jesus never claimed to be God. Why would you support that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83669274611014639852010-05-28T09:05:35.132-04:002010-05-28T09:05:35.132-04:00"The dispute between fundamentalists and info..."The dispute between fundamentalists and informed interpreters is pretty much the same in Christianity and Islam." <br /><br /><br />Hmm. So they have a new covenant and old covenant, too? Christians who live under the old covenant are WRONG. We should be very vocal about that. <br /><br />bin Laden called for more Muslims to know the Koran because if they did more would support and train for Jihad.<br /><br />I do not want to kill Muslims. I love them. I want them to come home to Jesus Christ.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70421631984053227712010-05-28T09:03:06.586-04:002010-05-28T09:03:06.586-04:00"I trust therefore that you will understand w..."I trust therefore that you will understand when a Muslim interprets verses of the Quran according to the context in which they were written. Specifically, the verses relating to warfare were written during times of warfare, and it is an abuse of the text to simply assert that they justify violence in modern situations. "<br /><br />Then why the dancing in the streets in Dearborn MI by American Muslims after 9/11? Seems they understood the 'bad' translation. Another example close to home was a doctor who could not contain himself and started cheering as he and his staff watched the second plane hit. His staff was mortified. These are people who live among us and were thrilled at what happened. <br /><br />Those were not Mormons flying the planes or we would be having this discussion about the bad translations of Mormonism. Same with Hinduism, etc.<br /><br />I could give you example after example of Muslims in America who where either thrilled or totally silent after 9/11. There was also a big money trail in the Mosque system that funded a lot of terrorism out of the US! <br /><br />Now, that I have said it, I am sure I am to be considered a hatemonger. But then, I just finished up a consulting project working with a team that included 2 Muslims who were the IT guys. They were wonderful and smart and I consider them dear friends. I also grew up with Muslim students either spending breaks with us and even had a few that lived with us.<br /><br />We are to be wise as serpents and gentle as Doves. Not ignorant and blind.<br /><br />And who on earth would wants to support their treatment of women? Horrendous! They make our brand of Christian patriarchy look liberal!<br />Do you all really want to DEFEND that? <br /><br />Love Muslims... but that does not mean being an apologist for Islam. Why are Christians defending Islam? Why not spit in the face of Jesus Christ? It is the same thing.<br /><br />It is a demonic religion.<br /><br />Defend and love idividual Muslims all you want. I do that, too. But never defend Islam. It is insidious.<br /><br />By the way, Richard, I found your interaction with Jonathon on your blog very interesting.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87891125701676540392010-05-28T01:17:23.340-04:002010-05-28T01:17:23.340-04:00Hey there Lydia,
You wrote: You are referring abo...Hey there Lydia,<br /><br />You wrote: <i>You are referring above (wrongly on some) to capital punishment when certain LAWS were broken in the Theocracy of Israel. Everyone was aware of the law and it was adjudicated.</i><br /><br />I agree with your <i><b>interpretation</b></i> of those Scriptures that plainly instruct the reader to kill people for certain offenses. They do not apply to Christians today.<br /><br />I trust therefore that you will understand when a Muslim <i><b>interprets</b></i> verses of the Quran according to the context in which they were written. Specifically, the verses relating to warfare were written during times of warfare, and it is an abuse of the text to simply assert that they justify violence in modern situations. <br /><br />The dispute between fundamentalists and informed interpreters is pretty much the same in Christianity and Islam. <br /><br />RichardBibleWheelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06433635934495780332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32716532562201529042010-05-27T23:44:32.793-04:002010-05-27T23:44:32.793-04:00Do you actually believe only Muslims act on a &quo...Do you actually believe only Muslims act on a "whim." Nearly every extremist group has their "God/god" representative (minister, priest, rabbi or imam) on speed-dial. Our task is to resist the notion that extremists of any religion are representative of the larger group. There is no scarcity of people ready to justify their particular bigotry by claiming "it's in the 'book'." That is the point I was attempting to make in the earlier post. Perhaps I should have highlighted "Christian" leaders such as Jim Jones or David Koresh.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56689082038565299422010-05-27T23:38:40.294-04:002010-05-27T23:38:40.294-04:00Alpha & Omega Ministries Apologetics Blog [Jam...<a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3936" rel="nofollow">Alpha & Omega Ministries Apologetics Blog [James White] > "The language of my lineage is Turkish, not Arabic." --- Ergun Caner, 2/25/10</a>.<br /><br /><i>The title of this entry was taken from Caner's own "apology" from 2/25/10. His father was Turkish, not Arabic. His brother says their mother tongue was Swedish, not Arabic. Ergun was in the US from 1969 onward. I did not have any idea, until today, how often Caner claimed Arabic fluency. I had heard him make the claim, at least twice. Mr. Khan has collected many more examples than I had encountered. And the saga continues....</i>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48033365647178630392010-05-27T22:21:46.375-04:002010-05-27T22:21:46.375-04:00"Lydia,
I appreciate your concern about some..."Lydia, <br />I appreciate your concern about some passages in the Qur'an, but have you read the Old Testament books of law lately? Some pretty scary stuff there, too: like community executions of children for disrespecting their parents, or killing women for acts of adultery... just to mention a couple."<br /><br />May 27, 2010 6:50 PM<br /><br />Aren't we blessed to be under the New Covenant? <br /><br />You are referring above (wrongly on some) to capital punishment when certain LAWS were broken in the Theocracy of Israel. Everyone was aware of the law and it was adjudicated. Not by the whim or anger of a father because his daughter is dressing too Western. They even had judges in the OC and one of them was a woman. <br />Are you suggesting OT LAW was akin to honor killings we read about today...some even taking place in Western countries?Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51416158963448643392010-05-27T22:13:14.089-04:002010-05-27T22:13:14.089-04:00In a court of law, Ergun would NEVER be tried and ...In a court of law, Ergun would NEVER be tried and convicted of ANYTHING! This is the court of public opinion and it is a SHAME that so-called Christian want to string Ergun up and hang him out to dry. Waaaa He stretched the truth....Waaaa...He created a new middle name....Waaaa...me little feelings got hurt because he became a Seminary President and I am just a Sunday School teacher...GROW UP! Everybody can't be the Seminary President and it might as well be someone with a great story and great speaking skills like Ergun. Your jealousy is thicker than the Oil in the Gulf!Slow to speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112253493029220293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5293730056455528702010-05-27T18:50:16.771-04:002010-05-27T18:50:16.771-04:00Lydia,
I appreciate your concern about some passa...Lydia, <br />I appreciate your concern about some passages in the Qur'an, but have you read the Old Testament books of law lately? Some pretty scary stuff there, too: like community executions of children for disrespecting their parents, or killing women for acts of adultery... just to mention a couple.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20370091440060260932010-05-27T18:30:27.649-04:002010-05-27T18:30:27.649-04:00Thanks for lawsuit update, WDThanks for lawsuit update, WDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41270340060695283122010-05-27T17:14:41.278-04:002010-05-27T17:14:41.278-04:00Does the Koran support Honor killings?
http://www...Does the Koran support Honor killings?<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/PfanderFilms#p/c/900CC8F51B717979/20/PrLWm6mMozcLydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45196399163634675052010-05-27T11:18:27.352-04:002010-05-27T11:18:27.352-04:00As information is being gathered, used and applaud...As information is being gathered, used and applauded from Kahn, how many of you gladly receiving this indicting information have stopped to share Jesus with him?<br /><br />No matter what Ergun Caner has done, I believe he is a brother in Christ. He will answer for his sins and be found covered by the blood of Jesus. Mr. Kahn will answer for his sins and be found guilty and spend eternity in hell.<br /><br />Mr. Kahn, if you are reading this and I believe you frequent this blog, please know I live in in the name of Jesus but not near as much as Jesus loves you. According to scripture, unless you receive God's forgiveness you will not have heaven and eternal life. I want you to know that this forgiveness is available, it is available for all. yet, on your own it is impossible for God to allow yo into His heaven. WHY? because of who God is and who we are. He is holy and he is just. We are sinners by nature and fallen forever without His forgiveness. <br /><br />How does someone who is a sinner get to heaven where it is impossible for one in sin to enter? God can make the impossible possible. He does that through His forgiveness. If you will call out to Him, repent of your sins and put your complete faith in Him, you will be saved. the heaven is yours.<br /><br />If you would like to go into more detail,let me know and I will be glad to make contact with you somehow and share His love for you in greater detail.<br /><br />Bill GrantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53553513604444540072010-05-27T10:06:23.939-04:002010-05-27T10:06:23.939-04:00http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/05/...http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/05/26/new_york_times_blumenthal_omission/index.html<br /><br />This is a column by Gene Lyons on dealing with "mis-speaking."Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.com