tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8263515698168572392..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: What's With the "Coaching" of Christian Leaders?FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23857506877412800732009-08-08T11:26:49.266-04:002009-08-08T11:26:49.266-04:00Reading up on the NAMB situation today in our stat...Reading up on the NAMB situation today in our state association newspaper, I was stunned to find that a trustee has absolutely no idea why some other trustees are going after Hammond. This trustee, a pastor in my state, said that only a few months ago the chairman was giving Hammond glowing reports and bragging on him. Now the chairman says he did not mention his concerns back then because he did not think it appropriate to do so? To the trustees?<br /><br />But now, all of a sudden, the chairman called a meeting of a few trustees who make up the exec committee to talk about ousting him.<br /><br />The trustee in my state said he is calling for the entire trustee to meet and find out what on earth is going on.<br /><br />This is how some with power operate. It is ridiculous. There is something bigger going on, mark my words. These people have no ethics at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58396354582858099122009-08-08T10:18:47.293-04:002009-08-08T10:18:47.293-04:00What a lot of individuals are either forgetting or...What a lot of individuals are either forgetting or are ignorant of is the "priesthood of the believer". Having the tag of pastor does not make one "more spiritual" than anyone else. As a matter of fact the pastor is to be a servant not Lord of a group of believers. When a church group realizes the real meaning of "priesthood" then they will together pray, study, and truly worship...otherwise they will be just another typical group meeting by without true worship and loving each other regardless of their titles, position, and how much money they have in the bank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56501283735647798732009-08-07T22:47:55.634-04:002009-08-07T22:47:55.634-04:00Were these guys all away at a conference or someth...Were these guys all away at a conference or something? Nothing for a couple of days and then they all show up at once holding the pastor salary talking points memo. Hmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5603073292049279962009-08-07T19:43:34.258-04:002009-08-07T19:43:34.258-04:00If you have been the "victim" of several...If you have been the "victim" of several pastors and your current pastor is intent on destroying you then perhaps you might want to take a long hard look in a mirror. <br /><br />Usually in these situations it is you who is at fault and not the pastor.<br /><br />August 7, 2009 4:22 PM<br /><br />Of course. As we all know, if someone has a title of pastor they have special anointing that comes with the title. They are a special class of professional Christian. Unlike the rest of us who do not receive that special anointing. We all know that is in 1 Authoritarianisms 11:2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19748132636221590812009-08-07T19:41:44.928-04:002009-08-07T19:41:44.928-04:00"Committee run is about the only option for a..."Committee run is about the only option for a church the size of FBC Jax. Can you just imagine the fighting that would go on in an open business meeting?"<br /><br />Absolutely. The mega church model breeds such structures. Most of the members in a mega church would not show up for a business meeting. Many go there in the first place to be anonymous.<br /><br />That is why the top down business model structure works so well for these 'organizations'.<br /><br /><br /><br />" When a church chooses their mode of operation then that is their business. If you don't like it, don't join that church. Period."<br /><br />Absolutely. And many are leaving them too. One has to wonder why so many 'mega' churches are now opting for the multi church campus model. Interesting study.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4175864600191616792009-08-07T17:02:35.660-04:002009-08-07T17:02:35.660-04:00August 7, 2009 8:14 AM - is this your first time r...August 7, 2009 8:14 AM - is this your first time reading this blog? The pastor's salary and how much he gives is NOT the focus of this blog. Numerous comments have been made to clarify that. What makes you think this blog is about his salary and how little he gives? Did someone tell you that is all this blog is about? If so, they lied to you thinking you to be an ignorant, mindless, gullible sheep.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2513839434943841522009-08-07T16:22:51.673-04:002009-08-07T16:22:51.673-04:00If you have been the "victim" of several...If you have been the "victim" of several pastors and your current pastor is intent on destroying you then perhaps you might want to take a long hard look in a mirror. <br /><br />Usually in these situations it is you who is at fault and not the pastor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26266940010588549612009-08-07T16:10:18.463-04:002009-08-07T16:10:18.463-04:00Committee run is about the only option for a churc...Committee run is about the only option for a church the size of FBC Jax. Can you just imagine the fighting that would go on in an open business meeting? When a church chooses their mode of operation then that is their business. If you don't like it, don't join that church. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68060620470970781382009-08-07T16:08:59.249-04:002009-08-07T16:08:59.249-04:00Nearly all mega churches are run by committees whi...Nearly all mega churches are run by committees which are either appointed or elected by the church. FBC Jax has been run that way long before Mac came on the scene so its not his fault. Perhaps some of you should schedule lunches with the Personnel and Budget committees and talk to them in person. <br /><br />Somehow I doubt you will have the courage to do so. You never have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81505047988056908322009-08-07T15:29:58.388-04:002009-08-07T15:29:58.388-04:00Off Topic:
NYT > Attack on Twitter Came in Two...Off Topic:<br /><br /><a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/attack-on-twitter-came-in-two-waves/?ref=technology" rel="nofollow">NYT > Attack on Twitter Came in Two Waves</a>.<br /><i>The meltdown that left 45 million Twitter users unable to access the service on Thursday came in two waves and was directed at a single blogger who has voiced his support for the Republic of Georgia in that country’s continuing conflict with Russia.<br /><br />Facebook’s chief security officer, Max Kelly, told CNet that the attack was aimed at a user known as Cyxymu, who had accounts on Facebook, Twitter, LiveJournal and other sites affected by Thursday’s cyberassault.<br /><br />In an interview with The Guardian, the blogger said he believed the strike was an attempt to silence his criticism on the behavior of Russia in the conflict over the South Ossetia region in Georgia, which began a year ago on Friday.<br /><br />How did a targeted attack against a single user manage to cripple Twitter for almost an entire day?</i>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23764478546656090832009-08-07T12:42:17.952-04:002009-08-07T12:42:17.952-04:00Keep on serving, brother. I am also a victim of se...Keep on serving, brother. I am also a victim of several pastors, that because they are pastors, have no problem avoiding biblical approaches and just plain back bite. I too, am embarrassed by SBC tactics. SBC pastors just ivite me to leave. I finally heard the message and did so. My most recent pastor is so obsessed with ruining all my relationships, he has started working on one of my sons. There seems to be no end to his ranting. After both a clearly written document explaining his misunderstandings and an "amiable" one on one meeting (at my urging no less) he continues to rant his lies about me. (Talk about hurt!) <br /><br />You keep on blogging. We need to know that others in this denomination have had similar experiences. It does help heal the hurt.<br /><br />(I could elaborate, but your audience already knows.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23110437074290849942009-08-07T12:11:17.816-04:002009-08-07T12:11:17.816-04:00"Isn't there something more interesting t..."Isn't there something more interesting to talk about than constantly harping on Mac's salary (which was set and approved by a duly elected committee), his wife and son, and how much he gives or doesn't give? Some of this junk gets real old."<br /><br />That a "Committee" approved it, makes it a deeper problem in your church. <br /><br />Just make sure you keep giving more and more to support Mac's family lifestyle and you will be fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31826445683648983002009-08-07T08:58:59.016-04:002009-08-07T08:58:59.016-04:00I guess a preacher is like a bottle of Bar B Q sau...I guess a preacher is like a bottle of Bar B Q sauce you never tried. Boy you just know you got you some good sauce for them Ribs. After all It has a picture of a guy on the bottle that looks like he has been making Bar B Q for a 100 years. It also claims that Its made in Hickory Creek North Carolina, that's got to be good right? So you go sopping It on the ribs you paid top dollar for and what do you get? Ribs with ketchup! Everything was spent on the package and none was left for the product. When are we going to learn that our life is the only Bible that some people read?Rocgollyghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07392110328901422187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80045477497979100082009-08-07T08:14:59.258-04:002009-08-07T08:14:59.258-04:00Isn't there something more interesting to talk...Isn't there something more interesting to talk about than constantly harping on Mac's salary (which was set and approved by a duly elected committee), his wife and son, and how much he gives or doesn't give? Some of this junk gets real old.<br /><br />People (and Southern Baptists in particular) have been harping on the pastor's salary since the beginning of time.<br /><br />Find something new to complain about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45930350437155923662009-08-07T07:45:35.388-04:002009-08-07T07:45:35.388-04:00Off Topic:
All the below links are from The Wartb...Off Topic:<br /><br />All the below links are from <a href="http://www.thewartburgwatch.com/tww/blog/blog.html" rel="nofollow">The Wartburg Watch Blog</a>:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thewartburgwatch.com/tww/blog/Entries/2009/8/6________________________BLOGGING_ON_CHURCHES_GONE_WRONG.html" rel="nofollow">Blogging On Churches Gone Wrong [August 6th, 2009]</a><br /><i>We shall be dealing with this Prays Mills situation in-depth over the next week. In addition to revealing why Doug Pittman began blogging about Mike and Jarrod Everson, we will investigate what's going on with Mac Brunson and First Baptist Church in Jacksonville. Here, we will focus on how he misused law enforcement to expose Tom Rich who blogged about a serious situation at that church. Next, we will take a look at a scandal at Bellevue Baptist Church. As we round out our coverage of SBC "servant leaders", we'll take a look at Trinity Baptist Church in Memphis and its pastor, Chad Everson, who has ties to the Prays Mills situation</i>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thewartburgwatch.com/tww/blog/Entries/2009/8/5_Pastoral_Accountability_and_Christian_Blogs:_A_New_Form_of_Quality_assurance%C2%A0.html" rel="nofollow">Pastoral Accountability And Christian Blogs: A New Form Of Quality Assurance [August 5th, 2009]</a>.<br /><i>I would venture to say that many pastors would enjoy reading The Wartburg Watch. It is well-written, and the discussion points are documented and referenced appropriately. Indeed, since the launching of this blog just a few months ago, there has been substantial positive feedback from the readership. One of the areas where The Wartburg Watch appears to have “struck a nerve” is spiritual abuse within churches. Based on the responses via the blog comments and e-mails, it would appear that the problem of spiritual abuse is widespread in congregations across the country</i>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thewartburgwatch.com/tww/blog/Entries/2009/8/5__________________BLOGGING:%C2%A0_COUNTERING_SPIRITUAL_ABUSE%C2%A0.html" rel="nofollow">Blogging: Countering Spiritual Abuse [August 5th, 2009]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thewartburgwatch.com/tww/blog/Entries/2009/8/3___________________________LUTHER_DIDNT_FOLLOW_MATTHEW_18%C2%A0.html" rel="nofollow">Luther Didn't Follow Matthew 18 [August 3rd, 2009]</a>.<br /><i>Our prospective pastor denied membership to us until we could reconcile with our previous pastor and receive his hearty recommendation that we were now “compliant” former members. When we asked for clarification from the pastor of the prospective church (who had just dropped this bombshell in a face-to-face meeting), we were told that he couldn’t elaborate due to pastor-to-pastor confidentiality. I asked this pastor why someone would just want to cause “trouble” for no reason. He sternly said that some people “just cause trouble.”<br /> <br />My husband is a busy professional, and I lead an interesting and full life. Why would we want to “just cause trouble?” Did we awaken one morning, perhaps bored and say, “Hey, let’s cause us a ruckus!”? There was a legitimate reason for the conflict at our former church, and the new pastor obviously didn't want to go there. It would be uncomfortable... Little did we know that our former pastor and the prospective pastor are good friends..</i>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thewartburgwatch.com/tww/blog/Entries/2009/7/31_______________Luther:_Courageous_reformer_and_Forgiven_sinner.html" rel="nofollow"> Luther: Courageous Reformer And Forgiven Sinner [July 31st, 2009]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.thewartburgwatch.com/tww/blog/Entries/2009/7/31_______________________________________________here_I_stand.html" rel="nofollow"> Here I Stand [July 31st, 2009]</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59862070592333563252009-08-06T22:08:40.000-04:002009-08-06T22:08:40.000-04:00Jesus: "I was hungry and you didn't feed ...Jesus: "I was hungry and you didn't feed me."<br /><br />Pastors: Not enough money in the budget after I paid my wife and son and my coach. Your sheep just weren't giving enough for us to do much more than just keep our utilities on and increase our advertising budget.<br /><br />"I was naked and you didn't clothe me."<br /><br />Pastor: I gave 15% of my "salary" to the church and others. (Kept the land gift and book royalties, and benefits and preaching gigs too, hee hee, but I did technically give 15% of my "salary" so its not my fault.) And besides, it took over $100,000 for my offices. Not much left to clothe anyone after that.<br /><br />Jesus: "Why do you call me Lord, Lord and not do the things I commanded you? Depart from me, you evildoer, I NEVER knew YOU!"<br /><br />Pastor: "But I am God's man!"<br /><br />Jesus: "If those days were not cut short, even the elect would be deceived. You deceive yourselves."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37033485318046540152009-08-06T21:00:33.247-04:002009-08-06T21:00:33.247-04:00Give it up Dude.Give it up Dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42144135861127395262009-08-06T16:33:44.454-04:002009-08-06T16:33:44.454-04:00Matt,
I was not speaking to your comments or inte...Matt,<br /><br />I was not speaking to your comments or intending to offend you in any way. I was just commenting that to call any of these modern day morons "coaches" in God's Kingdom is ludicrous. I'm not sure what we should call them but I'm sure there are some good Biblical names that fit them well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61448140883037321212009-08-06T15:15:15.499-04:002009-08-06T15:15:15.499-04:00One little note: please do not insult anyone's...One little note: please do not insult anyone's intelligence by comparing these "coaches" to the Apostle Paul and his relationship to Timothy. They bear nothing in common except that they are men.<br /><br />August 5, 2009 1:05 PM<br /><br />Hello, if you are speaking of my comment about how much Timothy or Titus paid Paul for 'coaching', I want to explain I was being sarcastic. We all know Paul 'coached' them at great cost to himself. That is my point. All this talk of 'coaches' is quite carnal for the Body of Christ. It only shows how far the SBC is from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that they would think this is normal practice.<br /><br />MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16166573953974228602009-08-06T15:11:23.609-04:002009-08-06T15:11:23.609-04:00There's more to Sunday morning and coming to c...There's more to Sunday morning and coming to church than the words coming out of a pastor's mouth. To say otherwise is extremely arrogant.<br /><br />August 5, 2009 11:07 AM<br /><br />Then why is everything geared around their sermon? Seems to me, the pastor makes it all about himself. Maybe pastors do not have 1 Corin in their bibles. Most of what we do on Sunday is from tradition, not scripture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14461445983564491402009-08-06T15:09:30.837-04:002009-08-06T15:09:30.837-04:00"Maybe the SBC needs a "coach"?&quo..."Maybe the SBC needs a "coach"?"<br /><br />Yes, the real coach, the Holy Spirit, left long ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29393544817194808942009-08-05T22:00:31.591-04:002009-08-05T22:00:31.591-04:00I believe in coaching. I have coached in various a...I believe in coaching. I have coached in various areas, i.e., work areas, sports and various games. However, I do not believe in anyone coaching another person especially in preparing their sermons or with pastors. Those that pastor need no coach, otherwise, they should not be in the ministry. This basic Bible 101 with the leading of the Holy Spirit and prayer. I do not recall either of the Lindsays or Vines or any before them having a coach and those men were quite sucessful in preaching the word. But, alas, the world has a need of coaches. We could certainly use some right now in the government sector.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47301101639809811572009-08-05T21:58:07.491-04:002009-08-05T21:58:07.491-04:00The former pastor I was referring to in an earlier...The former pastor I was referring to in an earlier post, one that might be available and already on the payroll -- that's was used to be called the associational director of missions, and now usually the Regional Baptist Network (or Association) Director.Arcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15353942268618097671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87315345141529851792009-08-05T18:36:14.773-04:002009-08-05T18:36:14.773-04:00On disciples. Jesus had many more than 12 discipl...On disciples. Jesus had many more than 12 disciples. There were 70 or 72 sent out, which means there were 70 or 72 trusted followers of Jesus. We only have the 12 of the inner circle named specifically. We also know that there were women who were a part of the group that traveled with Jesus and were funding the ministry.<br /><br />The term apostle generally means those who saw the resurrected Christ and were commissioned by him. The Damascus Road experience allowed Paul to claim that title. Paul refers to a woman apostle, Junia (transgendered by the KJV translators).Arcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15353942268618097671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33448389084457328962009-08-05T18:32:25.267-04:002009-08-05T18:32:25.267-04:00Most churches have seasoned lay people (these are ...Most churches have seasoned lay people (these are the ones that should be the deacons and teachers, committee chairs, etc.). A pastor should be able to talk with and pray with such seasoned lay people -- most of us know who in our church these are.<br /><br />I have been close with two pastors and have spent time in their offices, their homes, and with them in my home, as well as an occasional lunch, breakfast or during visiting together at a hospital or home. We talked about their burden in ministry and how the laity could help. We talked about their plans for upcoming sermon series and how some things they had tried in previous sermons went well or otherwise. We talked about the needs of the congregation for specific topics in preaching or bible study.<br /><br />I guess you could call that coaching!<br /><br />BTW, in some associations, there is a senior, former pastor. Some of those might make good coaches and they are already in place, local, and on the payroll.Arcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15353942268618097671noreply@blogger.com