tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8282694467302102401..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Caner Files Lawsuit in Federal Court Against Bloggers Over the Marine Training Video, Which Caner Calls "Top Ten Things You Need to Know About Islam"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-417375086323018972013-08-24T15:57:21.583-04:002013-08-24T15:57:21.583-04:00Just FYI I got my FOIA request back today. Seems...Just FYI I got my FOIA request back today. Seems that the video in question has mysteriously vanished from the Marine Corps' records.<br /><br />Well, I think Smathers ought to provide the Marine Corps with a copy of his, so that they will have it again, for all those people who are now looking for it.<br /><br />And someone needs to put it up on bit torrent somewhere, or some anonymous file server overseas. This is ridiculous.terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68975853719243782672013-07-14T16:36:45.527-04:002013-07-14T16:36:45.527-04:00Whatever happened to 1 Corinthians 6:1? I guess C...Whatever happened to 1 Corinthians 6:1? I guess Caner does not believe that applies to him. So his response to the Bible is to file a federal lawsuit? Trying to understand how he explains that portion of Scripture away?Terry Langehttp://fromtheunknown.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85434246458928159732013-07-13T19:50:17.370-04:002013-07-13T19:50:17.370-04:00Why doesn't Caner try and sue the real release...Why doesn't Caner try and sue the real releasers of the video, the Marine Corps?<br /><br />And why can't the video be put up on a bit torrent or some foreign server where he can't get at it?terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10639277435332444652013-06-24T23:55:47.920-04:002013-06-24T23:55:47.920-04:00ABC is Arlington Baptist College in Arlington, TX....ABC is Arlington Baptist College in Arlington, TX. It is an independent Baptist College that trains people to be missionaries, music ministers, youth pastors, pastors, and school teachers (state certified).<br /><br />I attended there for two years from 1992-1994.John Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26556317226220853222013-06-24T23:51:00.360-04:002013-06-24T23:51:00.360-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47083812550022195512013-06-23T03:26:47.081-04:002013-06-23T03:26:47.081-04:00This is absolutely outrageous. This "blogger&...This is absolutely outrageous. This "blogger" will also be writing about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17879571602563886822013-06-21T17:23:58.999-04:002013-06-21T17:23:58.999-04:00Caner is so caught up in his lies, he thinks they ...Caner is so caught up in his lies, he thinks they are true! It will all come out, and Caner will learn that the "good ol' boys" will drop him like a hot potato to save their own standing and income stream. Big mistake! HUGE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22036791379646198582013-06-21T17:07:39.036-04:002013-06-21T17:07:39.036-04:00http://radongas.blogspot.com/2013/06/ergun-caner-s...http://radongas.blogspot.com/2013/06/ergun-caner-sues-christians-hosting.html <br /><br />Another blog that thinks Caner has bitten off more than he wanted.<br /><br />ABC seems to be very small. This may explain why the commenter above has not heard of it.Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79933049524925441162013-06-21T16:39:12.846-04:002013-06-21T16:39:12.846-04:00Jesus told us that a tree is known by its fruit. W...Jesus told us that a tree is known by its fruit. What is Caner's fruit? We need to realize that Caner has bad fruit. Period. 'Nuff said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2661585269770975292013-06-21T13:47:22.017-04:002013-06-21T13:47:22.017-04:00The videos that Caner claims are under his copyrig...The videos that Caner claims are under his copyright were obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request. Here's what the justice department says (http://www.justice.gov/oip/foia_updates/Vol_IV_4/page3.htm)<br /><br />"As for those copyrighted materials to which Exemption 4 is inapplicable, the position of the Department of Justice is that the release of such materials under the FOIA is a defensible 'fair use.'"<br /><br />Exemption 4 states:<br /><br />"The only appropriate approach for protecting copyrighted documents under the FOIA is through the application of Exemption 4, which protects 'trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person and privileged or confidential.' 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(4)."<br /><br />These videos obviously do not satisfy being a trade secret, they do not contain commercial or financial information, and they do not contain privileged or confidentail information. This is precisely why the information was released.<br /><br />Caner chose to engage in law-fare and he is about to regret it.some1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84339558986910261782013-06-21T11:49:08.636-04:002013-06-21T11:49:08.636-04:00Who attends ABC anyway? And what do they go on to ...Who attends ABC anyway? And what do they go on to do? I live in the Metroplex and I've never heard of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18642093457677333872013-06-21T07:46:21.783-04:002013-06-21T07:46:21.783-04:00Ahhhh... come on people. Where in the bible does ...Ahhhh... come on people. Where in the bible does it say "Thou shalt not utter discrepancies?" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37923947424004869412013-06-20T23:44:47.629-04:002013-06-20T23:44:47.629-04:00When I was in the Navy, I made a couple of instruc...When I was in the Navy, I made a couple of instructional videos. I had to sign away my rights to the video in total. Even my claim for the creativity involved. <br /><br />Anyone can file a lawsuit. Prevailing is something else altogether.<br /><br />Caner could not have acted in a more stupid manner. His complete disregard for the scriptures is evident. He is in open rebellion.<br /><br />Jason at Witness Unto Me has posted a notice at his site along with an example letter to obtain the marine videos with a FOIA request. I plan to obtain a copy.<br />Katienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39896251801128801932013-06-20T20:49:36.440-04:002013-06-20T20:49:36.440-04:00What really needs to be disclosed is the contract ...<i>What really needs to be disclosed is the <b>contract</b> that Ergun Caner signed in order to perform these services for the government.</i><br /><br />I wonder if a copy of <i>that</i> would be available through the FOIA. After all, we, the taxpayers, paid for it. Shouldn't we be able to find out how much we paid Ergun to "train" our troops?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26531099699495740152013-06-20T17:14:36.259-04:002013-06-20T17:14:36.259-04:00Who cares what Caner thinks. What really needs to ...Who cares what Caner thinks. What really needs to be disclosed is the contract that Ergun Caner signed in order to perform these services for the government. It was filmed, and I bet it was the government that filmed it. My guess is that he signed all his copyright rights over to the government. They have the right to distribute and it falls under the Freedom of Information Act. <br />I may be wrong. I haven't read the suit.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3148678375729078552013-06-20T16:23:39.042-04:002013-06-20T16:23:39.042-04:00There are a lot of us who were very close to the W...There are a lot of us who were very close to the Williams' that did not know until we found out in the news.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17669664896269102252013-06-20T13:31:26.713-04:002013-06-20T13:31:26.713-04:00Not attempting to derail the topic of discussion, ...Not attempting to derail the topic of discussion, but as an aside, I noticed Jack Graham (along with nearly half the Rogers family) is on the BOD of the ARPTI. Really? The SBC was, is, and apparently always will be a good-old-boys network where the welfare of women and children will never be as important as money, fame, power, and (perceived) image.<br /><br />We'll probably never know for certain, and it pains me to admit this, but I've come to rethink my former opinion (which I held strongly) that AR did not know about Paul Williams. PW was making a lot of money (in investments) for a lot of the upper level staff (men) at Bellevue. I doubt AR wanted to kill the golden-egg laying goose. Or in this case, the gander.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22890192799556710302013-06-20T13:23:06.523-04:002013-06-20T13:23:06.523-04:00I believe that if you use someones original work f...<i>I believe that if you use someones original work for commercial gain, then the artist has the right to collect what is due.</i><br /><br />Is Smathers or "Moses Model" using these video clips for commercial gain? If so, then you are probably correct. However, I've never seen any evidence that either of them is doing this for financial gain. Now, if bloggers have ads on their blogs "Fair Use" will be more likely to be upheld if they remove the ads.<br /><br />In my admittedly I'm-not-a-lawyer-and-don't-play-one-on-TV understanding of <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html" rel="nofollow">Fair Use</a> at the very least you are entitled by law to use small portions of the total work for "critical commentary and/or parody" if you're not doing it for financial gain.<br /><br />Putting up whole sermons/speeches could be infringing upon the <i>owner</i>, i.e. the copyright holder, but I wouldn't think <i>Caner</i> would be entitled to sue unless it was something he self-published. For example, if I put up an <i>entire</i> Steve Gaines sermon that he delivered at Bellevue, SG couldn't file a DMCA notice. However, Bellevue Baptist Church <i>could</i>. Gaines is their employee, and because of that relationship, he does not "own" the rights to his sermons delivered at Bellevue (unless there's something in his contract that I'm unaware of). However, "Fair Use" <i>does</i> entitle someone to use short portions (in relation to the whole) of a copyrighted work for non-commercial purposes.<br /><br />It's my recollection that the non-profit organization, <i>Love Worth Finding</i>, which was founded by Adrian Rogers, either purchased from Bellevue or was gifted the rights to AR's sermons that he delivered while employed by Bellevue. (I'll verify which and correct the record if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe I am.)<br /> <br />However they obtained them (unless something has changed recently) <i>LWF</i> is now the rightful owner of AR's body of work (sermons, not books) that he produced while employed by Bellevue.<br /> <br />Steve Rogers (AR's son) founded the <i>Adrian Rogers Pastor Training Institute</i> while still in the employ of <i>LWF</i>. The organizations split a few years ago, and I recall <i>LWF</i> filing a lawsuit (or threatening to) for copyright infringement when <i>ARPTI</i> reproduced some of AR's sermons and made them available for purchase.<br /><br />If someone were to reproduce an entire AR sermon, say on YouTube (of which there are many examples right now that <i>that</i> copyright holder doesn't appear to be concerned about), that person would be infringing on the copyright of <i>LWF</i> (or whatever group now holds the rights), not AR (if he were still living).<br /><br /><i>ARPTI</i> got painted into a corner because <i>LWF</i> squeezed them out and then threatened them with a lawsuit for copyright infringement. As I recall, <i>LWF</i> prevailed, either by <i>ARPTI</i> backing down voluntarily or a court decision. It appears a settlement was reached as the <i>ARPTI</i> is now producing a "legacy library" of AR's sermons, videos, notes, etc.<br /><br />There is plenty of case precedent here. The short clips posted by "Moses Model" and others appear to be well within the rights of "Fair Use" and should not be able to be challenged by the likes of John Ankerberg and certainly not by Ergun Caner.<br /><br />The marine training videos should be "owned" by the U.S. government, so if anyone has the right to challenge their publication, it's the USMC, not Ergun Caner, and I don't see <i>them</i> going after anyone over this.<br /><br />This whole thing is ridiculous. No one is altering Caner's words. They're just posting clips and the entire marine videos and providing commentary. (Last I checked, the 1st Amendment still applies to bloggers, too.) Why, if he stands by what he's said -- just the facts, you know -- is Caner so hell-bent on scrubbing the internet of <i>his own words</i>?New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12020899108608728282013-06-20T13:05:52.938-04:002013-06-20T13:05:52.938-04:00Upon an invitation from the United States Marine C...<i>Upon an invitation from the United States Marine Corp, Dr. Caner delivered this presentation....</i><br /><br />By the way, "Marine Corp" is not a typo. That's how it's spelled in the complaint. Twice. Reminds me of Obama's "corpseman."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51625025876479496772013-06-20T11:04:09.740-04:002013-06-20T11:04:09.740-04:00I would love for the courts to watch this video. A...I would love for the courts to watch this video. All it would take would be watching this video and the others wouldn't even matter. :) He picked the fight when he tried to expunge all the videos on the internet.<br /><br />Anonymous: Ergun wanted the fight. He has always wanted the fight or he wouldn't do and say the things he does. Stopping is not an option where lies on his background as a Muslim occur and are still occurring. Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17494023240925079602013-06-20T09:23:15.330-04:002013-06-20T09:23:15.330-04:00Perhaps I misread your article. However, if someo...Perhaps I misread your article. However, if someone is asked to stop, and then formally asked to stop, and that someone persists, then the someone picked the fight. I doubt very much that Ergun wanted the fight.<br /><br />I asked my neighbor to adjust his sprinkler that was overlapping my yard. The overwatering was causing fungus growth. Had he not stopped watering, I would have been forced to take stronger measures with my association. He adjusted the infringing sprinkler within a reasonable time and $10 worth of fungicide later, all is well. He is a great neighbor by the way.<br /><br />Of course there is an answer to everything and I am sure that the blogger is always right. ;>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5791859555546492792013-06-20T08:59:51.119-04:002013-06-20T08:59:51.119-04:00I agree it is on Caner's turf, and he has the ...I agree it is on Caner's turf, and he has the resources to wage the fight. But he is picking the fight. FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22304421857783569642013-06-20T08:49:48.130-04:002013-06-20T08:49:48.130-04:00I believe that if you use someones original work f...I believe that if you use someones original work for commercial gain, then the artist has the right to collect what is due. The interesting thing is that the artist, or in this case, speaker can determine what the value of the work is and if you choose to use it, then you bought it. This will be interesting. Those bloggers are picking a fight on Caner's turf and I expect that Caner knows quite a bit about copyrighted work. <br /><br />Message to bloggers... Don't rely on religious figures to turn the other cheek.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com