tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8709881289154153287..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Caner Returns to Pulpit: Preaches at Thomas Road Baptist Church on Adversity and IntegrityFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16545304925495608942011-11-17T16:33:27.868-05:002011-11-17T16:33:27.868-05:00Erguns departure after Jerry Falwell Sr. died was ...Erguns departure after Jerry Falwell Sr. died was predictable. There were many old school legalistic bible thumpers at LU (and TRBC) who didn't like his style, his background, or even him shaving his head. Jerry was his biggest fan and without his presence a way would have been found to suggest to him to move along. Its just that his resume exaggeration as the ammo they needed to give him the boot. With a little help from their friends in the SBC. Times are changing at LU and TRBC for the better. Caner might be back some day, he's fairly young, and will god willing out live the old guard. (BTW no one mentioned Caner didn't work for TRBC but LU. And they are a lot less connected at the hip than you might think, trust me I know :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78222875010919752942010-09-11T00:33:24.121-04:002010-09-11T00:33:24.121-04:00I liken it to doctors and how they deal with quack...<i>I liken it to doctors and how they deal with quacks in their profession.</i><br /><br />Good analogy. The elephant's sitting right there in the middle of the room, but they'd rather walk around the elephant and ignore it than admit it's there and do something about it. Then when someone dares ask, "Hey, <i>why</i> is there an elephant in the middle of the room?" <i>he</i> becomes the problem.<br /><br />Ergun Mi'khael Mehmet Giovanni Janel is the sacred elephant.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53486989059768480512010-09-10T20:04:10.690-04:002010-09-10T20:04:10.690-04:00"Now, where you have missed my entire point a..."Now, where you have missed my entire point all together is that I don't feel many of the comments on here reflect much grace or love. That is my point. We can know what is right concerning Caner, but when discussing another person's sin we must remember that our sin is equally offensive to the Lord. "<br /><br />No, I understood you perfectly. It is very uncomfortable for you, I am sure. Pastors get squeamish when they see nobodies respond in such a way to the celebrity pastor. After all, speaking to pew sitters is what they do and they certainly do not want that scrutiny applied to them. I liken it to doctors and how they deal with quacks in their profession. Except you can tell us our comments are sinful and we are supposed to believe you.<br /><br />1 Tim 3 says that someone in Caner's leadership position is supposed to be "above reproach to the outside".<br /><br />So, if we are not outraged by his 9 years of lying and not are not vocal about it we send a message to unbelievers that this is normal behavior for Christians.<br /><br />Yes, I sin. But I am not a "spokesperson" for Jesus on stages all over the US and I am certainly not paid to be one.<br /><br />What you are advocating is very cheap grace. Caner needs to work out his salvation with fear and trembling because based upon his latest appearance, his heart is even harder.He has never once said, I lied. <br /> <br />"But thanks for summing up, based on just a few remarks I've made that truth doesn't matter to me. Because I'm sure that in just a few words on a website you can sum up the full weight of who I am and what I am about."<br /><br />I can only go by the words you use here. People throw out forgiveness and never really understand it in depth. They also throw out "judging" without using it in context. If we never "judge" then why not rapists as pastors? Why not hire Ted Haggard? At least he admitted it and said sorry.<br /><br />We keep dumbing down what is sin. Our very thoughts are sinful because we are born in corrupted bodies. That is a far cry from lying for 9 years as a professional paid Christian to elevate oneself. <br /><br />I have noticed that when the public sins are pastors, other pastors tend to circle the wagons and focus on those who dare to discuss the depravity that parades itself as Christianity out there. You want to make the responses to this depravity WORSE than the public University president who traveled the US lying to people. <br /><br />Sorry, you have no credibility with me. Anyone who would allow Caner to speak that is not a real confession of his very public sin, is an enabler of MORE sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59562278108706670292010-09-10T16:31:00.786-04:002010-09-10T16:31:00.786-04:00Anon 10:42am
Thanks for summing up so much for me....Anon 10:42am<br />Thanks for summing up so much for me. I do agree that what Caner is guilty of is disgusting and should compel him to publicly repent, and perhaps even take a long break from preaching in order to get his personal life with the Lord worked out through a process of restoration. <br />Now, where you have missed my entire point all together is that I don't feel many of the comments on here reflect much grace or love. That is my point. We can know what is right concerning Caner, but when discussing another person's sin we must remember that our sin is equally offensive to the Lord. <br />But thanks for summing up, based on just a few remarks I've made that truth doesn't matter to me. Because I'm sure that in just a few words on a website you can sum up the full weight of who I am and what I am about.TheLearningPastorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561881413322937369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15142802585629491272010-09-10T10:42:47.836-04:002010-09-10T10:42:47.836-04:00"I know that I am an incredibly flawed man wh..."I know that I am an incredibly flawed man who has so much to learn about integrity, ministry and living a life that glorifies God. I would hate to think that my brothers and sisters in Christ would be so quick to demand certain responses from me in light of whatever sin may come to the surface in my life."<br /><br />Learning pastor, If you have chosen a career where you are a "paid professional Christian" teaching the Word, you had best not spend 9 years laying about your bio to elevate yourself as an expert on something you are not. <br /><br />What you are suggesting in your comment is very cheap grace. After all, you have chosen a profession where you expect to be listened to and believed, right? You are a sort of representative if God's truth, correct?<br /><br />yet, you want folks to just ignore the lies for 9 years and act like it is mean and cruel to be astonished that one's heart could be so hardened as to not even ADMIT the depravity and severity of the lies but to just sweep it under the rug while you retool your public image.<br /><br />So, what is truth? According to you, it does not matter.<br /><br />Which is why Western Christianity is so shallow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19298133103301420982010-09-09T19:46:18.740-04:002010-09-09T19:46:18.740-04:00"There's ALOT more where THAT came from.&..."There's ALOT more where THAT came from."<br /><br />For those in the Jacksonville area who are interested in hearing some more of "that," Dr. Caner will be speaking at the Southpoint Baptist Church on Wednesday, October 13, 7:00PM. <br /><br />Some of you may be interested to hear Pastor Tom Messer who will be speaking at the same conference on Monday, October 11, 7:00PM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28417482565227655202010-09-09T19:36:32.942-04:002010-09-09T19:36:32.942-04:00NewBBC
THANK YOU!!! (your, you're) That...NewBBC<br /><br /> THANK YOU!!! (your, you're) That's one of my pet peeves, so thank you for saying what I've been saying to myself every time I see that (ditto for their, there, they're) <br /><br />:-) <br /><br />DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35712758987664377212010-09-09T17:43:37.845-04:002010-09-09T17:43:37.845-04:00I just cannot believe that this is STILL going on....I just cannot believe that this is STILL going on....that this is STILL even "news" to you people. GET A LIFE. MOVE ON. IT'S OVER AND DONE. God has annointed this man for HIS purpose, not yours or anyone elses. Shut up and get outta the way. All of you can't stand for one minute that Ergun is still in God's hands (God never let go of him in all this) and still has a huge, distinct purpose in God's plan. It's about to eat you alive that Jonathan Falwell gave him the platform at TRBC. Well, all I can say is...sit back, buckle up and hold on. There's ALOT more where THAT came from. You ain't seen NOTHING yet. God is FAR FROM DONE with Ergun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66745775183825157922010-09-09T09:33:00.084-04:002010-09-09T09:33:00.084-04:00When we fail to demand that our pastors/elders pre...When we fail to demand that our pastors/elders preach expositorily, that automatically gives them the liberty to preach and say almost anything that they want to say from the pulpitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9806739720054982382010-09-09T00:54:27.003-04:002010-09-09T00:54:27.003-04:00Since Caner was raised by a Turkish father, some m...Since Caner was raised by a Turkish father, some might find this article interesting reading<br /> <br />http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/articles/2010-JulyAugust/full-Berlinski-JA-2010.htmlGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11104981732733112853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22214481299329396712010-09-09T00:49:15.732-04:002010-09-09T00:49:15.732-04:00In this message, Caner is talking about Bloggers a...In this message, Caner is talking about Bloggers and defending himself, using this passage of III John as his sword and shield.<br /><br />"God does not hunt us down......to put us in jail<br /><br />Unconditional love, loves... people in spite of who they are...<br /><br />...we are all guilty...<br /><br />...we are family...<br /><br />....Somehow he (Diotrephes in 3rd John) was able to Stop the Message... <br /><br />...he attacked John with malicious words...<br /><br />....and attacks other Christians in deed...<br /> (vs10 So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.) <br /><br />....don't you ever return fire...<br /><br />....never respond in kind....<br /><br />....never take the bait<br /><br />....this punk is talking about us<br /><br />...lose your your job, <br /><br />...lose your status<br /><br />...this is a test<br /><br />...how you response to adversity<br /><br />...when you go thru firings<br /><br />...that is the teachable moment for your kids"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23816093906306875432010-09-08T23:28:28.900-04:002010-09-08T23:28:28.900-04:00John Wylie makes a very good point. My problem is...John Wylie makes a very good point. My problem is not with the article. My problem is with the lack of compassion shown by some who post comments regarding Caner's life. I know that I am an incredibly flawed man who has so much to learn about integrity, ministry and living a life that glorifies God. I would hate to think that my brothers and sisters in Christ would be so quick to demand certain responses from me in light of whatever sin may come to the surface in my life. I do believe he should publicly repent and issue a statement of apology. I think that is the right thing to do. However, I don't think it is our job to demand it. I think he should be afforded the ability to work out his own salvation with fear and trembling. I could be wrong and misguided but I am hesitant to hold entitlement over the process in which a brother deals with and reconciles his sin whether very public or private. I love you all and hope we can see ourselves reflected in what is happening to Caner. For all have sinned and fallen short but for those who are in Christ there is no longer any condemnation.TheLearningPastorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561881413322937369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8769768992373689642010-09-08T22:58:48.558-04:002010-09-08T22:58:48.558-04:00That is a classic, New BBC Open Forum!
I was hopi...That is a classic, New BBC Open Forum!<br /><br />I was hoping the Church Lady will do a video of Ergun Caner's interview, if she decides to come back to SNL.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90294126978471144142010-09-08T22:48:20.649-04:002010-09-08T22:48:20.649-04:00Why thank you, anon 10:17. I love you, too.
Just...Why thank you, anon 10:17. I love you, too.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/ChurchLadySatan.jpg" rel="nofollow">Just for you</a>.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79179849439140426212010-09-08T22:35:49.909-04:002010-09-08T22:35:49.909-04:00Wow, the way you tear down Churches and Pastors is...Wow, the way you tear down Churches and Pastors is classic...it reminds me of another funny guy.....SATAN<br /><br />September 8, 2010 10:17 PM<br /><br />Satan loves it when preachers turn out to be liars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11007655904061766632010-09-08T22:34:41.382-04:002010-09-08T22:34:41.382-04:00While folks are throwing around verses...here is a...While folks are throwing around verses...here is a very important one for those in the Body who are leader. I would assume a president of a Christian school who preaches and teaches is leader of sorts:<br /><br />"Moreover he must have a good testimony AMONG THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." 1 Tim 3<br /><br /><br />His testimony is no longer good to the outside unless he repents. His lies were public and he even profited off of them. He used our Savior for fame. And repentence is NOT saying sorry.<br /><br />Did it ever occur to you folks that the Caner defenders who are rebuking those of us who believe he should not be preaching, have been learning their bizarre shallow doctrine from Caner? It only stands to reason they would think that way. <br /><br />They follow men not Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56014008010106077012010-09-08T22:29:58.604-04:002010-09-08T22:29:58.604-04:00I thought Ergun Caner was a funny guy in a nasty w...I thought Ergun Caner was a funny guy in a nasty way. Ergun Caner's humor maligned women and immigrants.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66567562346539745772010-09-08T22:17:30.808-04:002010-09-08T22:17:30.808-04:00Hey New BBC, you are really funny!!! Great sense o...Hey New BBC, you are really funny!!! Great sense of humor!<br /><br />It's really side splitting to tear down Pastors....your a riot!!<br /><br />Boy, you had me doubled over with your piling on of Ergun, that was awesome!<br /><br />Wow, the way you tear down Churches and Pastors is classic...it reminds me of another funny guy.....SATANAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59761680204545532452010-09-08T21:35:04.651-04:002010-09-08T21:35:04.651-04:00The body language of Caner at the end of the sermo...The body language of Caner at the end of the sermon is interesting. He spoke about taking the hits, not striking back, etc. etc. with his arms outstretched wide for a solid minute.<br /><br />Being the actor that he is, and one who understands the power of non-verbal communication, seems like a premeditated visual image of him as a martyr like Jesus. <br /><br />Poor Ergun, crucified by his critics, but he spoke not a word. He is just like Jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63771551970742544482010-09-08T21:24:35.788-04:002010-09-08T21:24:35.788-04:00Anon 8:58,
Ha ha! That guy is so spot on it'...Anon 8:58,<br /><br />Ha ha! That guy is so spot on it's scary. Google can't seem to find #4 and #5 though. I think the titles were "Sometimes I Wonder About Charles" and "My Incredibly Amazing Testimony." I remember he couldn't decide between "incredible" and "amazing," so he settled on "incredibly amazing."New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73656426780574744852010-09-08T21:24:31.947-04:002010-09-08T21:24:31.947-04:00Thanks John Wylie - I thought I was fair to Caner ...Thanks John Wylie - I thought I was fair to Caner as well. Of course Caner and others here will label me a "hater", but I am used to that.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16897244767324065092010-09-08T21:04:04.043-04:002010-09-08T21:04:04.043-04:00"Oh...I forgot...your not interested in the B...<i>"Oh...I forgot...your not interested in the Bible...your interested in my grammar. Rant, rant, RANT, RANT, **48-point font** RANT... blah, BLAH, **72-point font** BLAH!!!!!"</i><br /><br />LOL! No, not really, but it's "you're." As in "you're funny!" Come on now. You can do this!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51282145443559183242010-09-08T20:58:42.159-04:002010-09-08T20:58:42.159-04:00New BBC Open Forum said...
" I think it...New BBC Open Forum said...<br /><br /> " I think it's time for the vanishing videos to make a return appearance."<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=caner%20liberty&hl=en&tbs=vid:1,qdr:m&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=syaITICjCYH78AbAhMS4CA&ved=0CBYQpwU&cad=cbv#q=caner+liberty&hl=en&tbs=vid:1,qdr:m,srcf:H4sIAAAAAAAAAMtOLU9Nz9dLzs9V086GsDNL1CrzS0tKk1LBwmX5mTmJemlFagWlSTmZuaklRUDlOWolZUllmSmp-XopqWoA5TTIkEUAAAA&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=Oy-ITL6qDpS49gS_56zgDg&ved=0CCcQpwU&fp=3aed790e0fdd9caf" rel="nofollow">Google Found um ?</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39945234986802048752010-09-08T20:34:55.067-04:002010-09-08T20:34:55.067-04:00Hey New BBC, thanks for the english lesson! What y...Hey New BBC, thanks for the english lesson! What you really need is a Bible Lesson!<br />How about not sowing discord?<br />How about Matthew 18?<br />How about you casting that first stone?<br />How about you praying for Ergun instead of publicly rebuking him?<br />Oh...I forgot...your not interested in the Bible...your interested in my grammar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83563143808483270622010-09-08T19:47:32.335-04:002010-09-08T19:47:32.335-04:00I think that Watchdog's article was actually v...I think that Watchdog's article was actually very fair to Ergun Caner. He said that the sermon was good and called Caner a talented speaker. <br /><br />But watchdog also addressed the fact that there was no statement regarding the issue at hand. This is necessary given the very public nature of Dr. Caner's ministry, he has spoken at youth camps, state conventions, bible conferences, seminaries, and many churches. He did more than embellish an illustration in a sermon, he misrepresented his whole early life. That requires public repentance. <br />"Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear." (1 Timothy 5:19-20)<br /><br />There has been more than two are three witnesses presented as well as insurmountable evidence given. <br /><br />I do not wish evil on him and truly hope he is restored and used of God in the future. He's not an enemy but a brother in Christ.John Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.com