tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8944903684801672488..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Why Our Kids Are Leaving Church Behind: The Architect of DisbeliefFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59616322910416815222016-10-22T13:59:07.618-04:002016-10-22T13:59:07.618-04:00The Good News of Jesus Christ is that you don'...The Good News of Jesus Christ is that you don't have to go to hell if you accept him as your savior. Young people who simply don't believe in hell or any other supernatural claim have no reason to go to church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74495447139566116712015-11-09T13:17:37.707-05:002015-11-09T13:17:37.707-05:00Ball2blog - I not only respect your opinion, I am ...Ball2blog - I not only respect your opinion, I am glad to hear it. And by the way, I agree with you. Thanks.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21511406934377146272015-11-05T08:57:46.207-05:002015-11-05T08:57:46.207-05:00I can honestly say that I have never been a part o...I can honestly say that I have never been a part of a church that was "in it for the money." I have never been in any role of leadership within a church that emphasized "money." I am a bit shocked at the questioning of Pastors seeking to grow their respective congregations from 100 to 200 or 1000 to 2000. Let me pose another side to that line of thinking. Maybe the pastor wants to do what God has instructed and called him to do by leading his congregation to make disciples in the way that Christ stated back in Matt. 28:19-20. If the church is growing from 100 to 200 through making disciples, wouldn't that constitute as something ANY AND EVERY pastor should desire? <br /><br />I'll make no bones about it. I am a SBC affiliated Youth Minister. I will be 100% honest in my opinion about this whole post and its subsequent comments. There is a problem in many, MANY of our churches with pastors who have stopped being what God originally called them to be. They went from being Shepherd of the Flock to being Majority Shareholder of the Board of influence. Many have traded the humble state of their call for delusions of grandeur. However, many have not. I have not. My Pastor has not. The pastor at the church I was at before I became a youth pastor here was not. In fact, I can honestly say that I have never been a member of a church where the pastor was anything like is being described here in this post. <br /><br />Furthermore, one thing we have to always remember, we cannot judge a worldview or religion by its abuses. Jesus Christ was nothing like what is being described in this post of Christ's ministers. He was nothing of the pompous individuals you are berating. He was exactly what God's word says He was. Please don't throw out Christ because some men try to take Christ for their own gains. <br /><br />All this being said, I respect your opinion on the matter, and I ask that you respectfully consider my own. Thank you, and have a blessed day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63832429666902044952015-10-18T21:57:44.041-04:002015-10-18T21:57:44.041-04:00These two posts by Wade nail the underlying theme ...These two posts by Wade nail the underlying theme of series of posts by WD:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.wadeburleson.org/2015/10/the-old-agreement-with-god-will-mess.html?m=1" rel="nofollow">The Old Agreement with God Will Mess With Your Head (and Your Church), not to Mention the Lost</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.wadeburleson.org/2015/10/the-blackness-within-piercing-veil-of.html?m=1" rel="nofollow">The Blackness Within: Piercing the Veil of Shame</a><br />Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22308573132942573372015-10-10T19:46:15.503-04:002015-10-10T19:46:15.503-04:00Powerful article! POWERFUL! Sharing this with my c...Powerful article! POWERFUL! Sharing this with my church family asap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44694515452234672572015-10-04T13:55:01.399-04:002015-10-04T13:55:01.399-04:00Anon3:35- Had a pastor, older man, Baylor and SWBT...Anon3:35- Had a pastor, older man, Baylor and SWBTS grad who went with youth everyplace, and we loved him for it....but that was in the 1970s.The Govteachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705560819973282422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21617412770703911902015-10-03T18:21:18.330-04:002015-10-03T18:21:18.330-04:00That's what they pay Ergun Caner for.That's what they pay Ergun Caner for.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5625122619817139992015-10-03T15:25:26.568-04:002015-10-03T15:25:26.568-04:00Ask yourself this question, When was the last time...Ask yourself this question, When was the last time your pastor took an entire week during the summer and attend a lead a retreat with Jr and Sr high students? Is there any more of an important thing he should do one summer? You be the judge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81076464946506956342015-10-02T15:50:04.284-04:002015-10-02T15:50:04.284-04:00One of the worst things a pastor can do for young ...One of the worst things a pastor can do for young people is to keep feeding them baby food. They are babes in Christ from their teenage years right on into adulthood. The adults never grow either since they "don't know the Greek verbs. syntax, participles" as only the high educated pastor knows those things. Those that really get educated the smart pew setter moves on to another church where he/she is fed meat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84858989361308368632015-09-29T23:18:03.405-04:002015-09-29T23:18:03.405-04:00Kids know more than some adults realize. They can ...Kids know more than some adults realize. They can see right through falsehoods and are pretty savvy especially after getting a job or going to college and taking one or two psychology courses. What pastor is really making a mark on our community? I don't see any. Years ago they would fight against liquor stores near their church, porn, x rated movies, etc. But, they are now compromising with the world. Its the easy way out for them. Don't rock the boat. I remember one Methodist pastor who was turned out because he preached too often on the blood. Take a stand or roll over and play dead. Such a shame especially when strong preaching used to be a force for good!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71132356661306890532015-09-29T21:24:54.614-04:002015-09-29T21:24:54.614-04:00Nah, it's mom and dad's fault. They raised...Nah, it's mom and dad's fault. They raised them in an environment of criticism of God's man. Just ask your local pompous ass preacher.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69941256345661374622015-09-29T19:29:45.994-04:002015-09-29T19:29:45.994-04:00Kids: approximately 40 hours a year in church. App...Kids: approximately 40 hours a year in church. Approximately 3000 hours a year at home. Yeah, it's the preachers fault....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31537900714310988582015-09-25T22:00:10.624-04:002015-09-25T22:00:10.624-04:007:04 I agree with your analysis. Jesus is on the o...7:04 I agree with your analysis. Jesus is on the outside knocking for some pastor, leader, or board of deacons who have locked the door and do not want Him in as it would turn their tables of books, tapes. and trips to the Holy Land upside down. The world is going to Hell and the pastors (many of them) are so focused on the money they can raise for themselves that the poor, needy and church wide crusades are believed to be no longer effective especially in large congregations. Worse and worse!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9885655288813596962015-09-25T19:04:30.193-04:002015-09-25T19:04:30.193-04:00"I hate to bust the bubble, but the rants tha..."I hate to bust the bubble, but the rants that are expressed here do not apply to the majority of pastors" <br /><br />Well, I will have to completely disagree with you. Just because they don't have a mega church that doesn't mean that they are not narcissistic and that they don't have the same agenda as the mega pastors do.Most of them are in it for themselves and I personaly believe that most are not even believers. They are great actors. Anybody can do "good works" and pretend that they really care about others and God. That's typical of a narcissistic person.<br /><br /> The "Christian church" is a joke. It's a total fraud with cultish behaviors. I believe that the true believers in this world are a small percentage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46094922859662302932015-09-25T14:50:18.067-04:002015-09-25T14:50:18.067-04:00Anon 12:02 PM,
Yes, they know full well who those...Anon 12:02 PM,<br /><br />Yes, they know full well who those shysters are, but they must 'go along to get along' if they want to keep their jobs.<br />Most all preachers of every stripe are professional Christians whose pay and benefit packages are far more than any member of their congregations have and they will lie, cheat and steal from those trusting sheep they oversee to keep it that way. <br />The church system is a business ~ The followers of Christ, the true believers, are the Church according to the Bible.<br /><br />The congregations stay because they are brainwashed into believing that they are out of the Will of God if they leave. That if they don't sign onto membership, give til it hurts and then some and revere the managawd and his cronies, your salvation is iffy at best. Most all denominations infer this bit of manipulation in one way or other.<br />This keeps the pews full and the money rolling in.<br /><br />The final finger-wag if all else fails is, "Forsake not the assembling of yourselves together."<br />This Done can assure you that you can assemble just fine over coffee and pie at your kitchen table, and that your Bible and the Lord to guide you is all you ever needed.<br /><br />The bottom line is that God tore the temple down, and these shyster con-artist money-men wasted no time in rebuilding it.<br />WE are the Temple of God, each and every one of us. WE are His Church.<br /><br />Floyd and his ilk are wolves.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54299207428961142262015-09-25T14:11:27.682-04:002015-09-25T14:11:27.682-04:00I remember SBC president Johnny Hunt on a TBN comm...I remember SBC president Johnny Hunt on a TBN commercial describing himself as on of the members of the TBN family. At least he is honest about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86524256450260688262015-09-25T12:02:33.803-04:002015-09-25T12:02:33.803-04:00Anon 11:17 Thanks for the response. I am watchin...Anon 11:17 Thanks for the response. I am watching this whole TBN-ization of the SBC occur and it looks like no one is giving Ronnie any pushback - more like cheering him on. I don't see this ending well. From your description it sounds like the people who are SBC might be SBC out of tradition or habit, as you are describing them enduring one change after another yet they stay. I really wish a few strong Baptist theologians would call Ronnie out. Pentecostalism has many false teachings and is rife with abuse. The worst of the worst greedy pastors are almost all Pentecostal. This trend concerns me. Do the rank and file SBC pastors understand who Robert Morris, Tony Evans and Sammy Rodriguez are?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22648242321928660332015-09-25T11:17:06.884-04:002015-09-25T11:17:06.884-04:00Anon 1:44 AM,
As a descendant of a long line of B...Anon 1:44 AM,<br /><br />As a descendant of a long line of Baptists, I can tell you that it always was about money and control. First control, because if you control their lives, you also control their money.<br />If their is a popular movement raking in the dough, you can bet they will incorporate it into their belief system. This is why they have gone from fire and brimstone to seeker psychology behind the pulpit - The 'Your Best Life Now' type of sermons.<br /><br />If you give any money at all to these churches, you need to examine your doctrines. WE are to care for the poor, visit the sick and imprisoned, seek the lost, etc. WE are to do this, not pay some professional Christians to do them for us, and I expect that WE will be asked at the Pearly Gates how much of these things WE actually did.<br />You won't go far from your doorstep before coming across someone who would be blessed by your help, and then lead that person to Christ. These are our marching orders from the Almighty, folks. You won't find today's church system anywhere in the Bible.<br /><br />So Anon 1:44 AM, in answer to your question, all these clowns are shysters and Ronnie Floyd is their king.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6772963428433730562015-09-25T01:44:12.065-04:002015-09-25T01:44:12.065-04:00I have a question for Anon 9:20 or any other Bapti...I have a question for Anon 9:20 or any other Baptists out there. I realize you may not be SBC but as a Baptist I would like to know what you think about SBC President Ronnie Floyd? I see he is embracing Pentecostalism. He teaches Robert Morris' tithing heresy. He is also partnering with Morris, Tony Evans and Sammy Rodriguez to throw a massive pre-RNC/DNC political rally in July 2016 where they are renting Cowboys (AT&T) Stadium for an all day self-congratulatory political rally so they can send the 75,000 attending pastors back home with the Robert Morris Vote Under God program. Should Baptists be funding such a gigantic undertaking when Floyd claims the SBC is in a financial crisis? <br /><br />Floyd is pushing all things TBN these days. Go look at his Twitter https://twitter.com/ronniefloyd?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author He is all about the spiritainment, bouncy houses, "breakthroughs" (my least favorite Pentecostal word), visitations of the Holy Spirit and the prosperity gospel. My question is, can you see this massive shift in SBC aggressively embracing this movement, and if you do, do you think that Baptists will go all in with Ronnie or will he continue to break records in losing members? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59431147954543383742015-09-24T20:46:29.505-04:002015-09-24T20:46:29.505-04:00I tell you a subject most if not nearly all pastor...I tell you a subject most if not nearly all pastors avoid and that is divorce and remarriage. Now I wonder why that would be the case? Aren't we to preach the whole council of God? No,they had rather pick and choose and ignore things that would offend half the congregation. Better to rant and rave about same sex marriage or storehouse tithing. I would love to hear John the finger snapper Hagee do a series of sermons on sexual immorality and about divorce and remarriage. Form his own experience he should know all about it. Let him rant and rave and snap his fingers on that subject.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58157188964978573502015-09-24T20:32:57.174-04:002015-09-24T20:32:57.174-04:001:37 Boy you hit a homerun. Some of these intellec...1:37 Boy you hit a homerun. Some of these intellectuals tell us from the pulpit "Let ne dumb it down for you". They tell you from de Greek. What is so ironic is that they tell you in English cause you don't know de Greek. I have over 60 years met many Sunday School teachers that know more about the Bible than most of the Mega preachers I've heard all over this country. As far as being a servant to Jesus Christ many want only you tithe (which is not a NT command) and you to bow and be a servant to all of their wishes and desires. No wonder the churches are being deserted. The kids grow up in a hurry when they hear the charlatans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58769397244346624792015-09-24T13:37:01.508-04:002015-09-24T13:37:01.508-04:009:20, I am going to disagree, to a certain extent....9:20, I am going to disagree, to a certain extent. <br /><br />The younger clergy today are arrogant, they are know it alls,and to be honest, they hate anyone older than 55. <br /><br />Are there still good clergy in the pulpit? Yes, of course. <br /><br />But sadly, after I attended seminary, I wouldn't trust a large number of ministers as far as I could throw them....The Govteachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705560819973282422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-636654248499099162015-09-24T10:14:30.222-04:002015-09-24T10:14:30.222-04:00September 24, 2015 at 9:20 AM - I am very happy to...September 24, 2015 at 9:20 AM - I am very happy to agree with you 100% that these posts do not apply to the majority of pastors, nor to the majority of denominations, nor to the majority of pew sitters. As a matter of fact, I understand this applies ONLY to a very, very small group of people that I have labeled as charlatans and their fundamentalist enablers. Like I said in the post, if this description of the "man o god" fits your pastor, you will recognize many of these traits in him and you should run. If none of this applies to you or your pastor, then thankfully, you are not in an abusive, exploitive cult like environment.<br /><br />As for the tone and discourse, I also agree it should be much nicer. But often I am merely mimicking the arrogant, narcissistic, pompous ass tone these guys use when talking down to their congregants in an attempt to illustrate back to them how ugly it gets. These guys stomp and rant and are relentless and uncompromising in their views. They need to heed your advice and engage in civil discourse and discussion. But they won't. They whine about being "attacked" and complain about our country. They will ban or try and apply "church discipline" to those that speak out against them. They are hurting families and killing the true church and losing the next generation. They are blaming the moms and dads. Those that are still in that environment need to wake up. And walk out.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64328211955796789132015-09-24T09:58:07.709-04:002015-09-24T09:58:07.709-04:00Anon 9:30. I agree on the need for civility. I wi...Anon 9:30. I agree on the need for civility. I wish all of us, pastors included, would heed that. My own pastor recently apologized to the congregation for a condescending tone in a recent series of messages, and I believe him to be sincere. Nice to see.<br /><br />As to small church pastors giving up more lucrative jobs, I must disagree. In my experience eith family, friends and former classmates, this is simply not the case. In fact, I find it extremely rare. I've been involved with several professional clergy trying to enter the private sector, and they have an extremely difficult time. They are frequently woefully behind on technology, and lack understanding of key cultural business needs like diversity and inclusion. One poor guy was such a poor writer it bordered on illiterate. Not saying this is everyone, but I think it's far more common than not. They quickly learn a seminary master's degree is not considered on par with an MBA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77265565571920259412015-09-24T09:44:35.489-04:002015-09-24T09:44:35.489-04:009:20am. Unfortunately those pastors that have 100 ...9:20am. Unfortunately those pastors that have 100 want 200, those with 1000 want 2000 those with 10000 want 20000 and those with 40000 want 100000. The bottom line is they are looking for the income. Why is the church so silent today? They are PC as they do not want to lose their 401-k or affend someone. Sure there are some good pastors out there however the purpose of yesterday is no longer attractive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com