tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post9091693625992873192..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Florida Baptist Convention Statement on Gilyard: Passes the Buck to JBA, But They ARE Concerned About Church's Lack of GivingFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6281001023436878902016-04-23T03:28:32.282-04:002016-04-23T03:28:32.282-04:00I read your article and a lot of the comments. Wha...I read your article and a lot of the comments. What I can't understand is why everyone is focused on John Sullivan and the SBC when you have a congregation of believers who acted irresponsibly and willingly allowed this to happen. Where were the elders and deacons and why weren't they speaking out? How did fathers and mothers allow this to happen? I am a leader of a faith-based boarding school and I am currently facing an issue in which a sex offender is attempting to buy land next to our property. I am not waiting for my cooperate office to address the issue because it is my duty to protect my students. I don't want the guy next to our campus but they allowed this guy in their pulpit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2910585547290885632012-03-14T10:30:36.956-04:002012-03-14T10:30:36.956-04:00"What DG did was evil, pure and simple. What ..."What DG did was evil, pure and simple. What He did was no less evil than what we did or have done to Jesus and His list of to do's for forgiveness and restoration is much, much shorter. Whose list do you think is the most God honoring?"<br /><br />You don't understand the first thing about Biblical forgiveness my friend.<br /><br />Biblical forgiveness is designed to help restore a broken relationship. In order to do that, the offender must first be willing to admit guilt (as in not pleading not guilty in court) and then to humbly and sincerely ask forgiveness from the offended party.<br /><br />At that point, the offended party offers forgiveness and the relationship is restored.<br /><br />The sinner is now forgiven but there are consequences to his sin. Read about the life of David in the Bible. He lived in constant turmoil after his sin and the sword never left his house.<br /><br />When DG gets into that universe let me know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41961579662056016632012-03-12T15:52:48.882-04:002012-03-12T15:52:48.882-04:00"When Gilliard takes out a full-page add in t..."When Gilliard takes out a full-page add in the Times-Union, fully confesses his sin and begs forgiveness from every women and girl he abused, from the churches he used as hunting grounds, and the parade of preachers he deceived, he will have taken the first step on a long road to reconciliation and restoration. "<br /><br />Whose conditions for beginning a possibility of being accepted are these?<br /><br />What DG did was evil, pure and simple. What He did was no less evil than what we did or have done to Jesus and His list of to do's for forgiveness and restoration is much, much shorter. Whose list do you think is the most God honoring?<br /><br />I don't trust DG but I do trust God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41944419786960274132012-03-09T20:37:55.923-05:002012-03-09T20:37:55.923-05:00March 8, 2:33, I read your response, along with ma...March 8, 2:33, I read your response, along with many others and just shook my head. Started not to respon at all, but could not let your "hands off God's man" nonsense go unchallenged. IF DARRYL GILYARD IS "GOD'S MAN," BALAAM'S ASS WAS A RACE HORSE. When Gilliard takes out a full-page add in the Times-Union, fully confesses his sin and begs forgiveness from every women and girl he abused, from the churches he used as hunting grounds, and the parade of preachers he deceived, he will have taken the first step on a long road to reconciliation and restoration. Until then, we'd all be better off listening to the donkey.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54330326055441992332012-03-09T11:17:36.333-05:002012-03-09T11:17:36.333-05:00Just found this post.
I am in favor of the disfel...Just found this post.<br /><br />I am in favor of the disfellowshipping of this church at all levels of the SBC. Indeed, I will not stand still to tolerate anything less. I'll make the motion in NOLA myself if they haven't already made clear their withdrawal from the SBC by that time.<br /><br />However, I think you inadvertently misconstrue John Sullivan. I took his statements about the Cooperative Program giving of the church to be an indication that the church ALREADY is disfellowshipped from the Florida Baptist Convention for their failure to cooperate financially. This would be relevant, because it would be difficult to disfellowship a church that is not actually in your fellowship to begin with.<br /><br />I think that the Florida Baptist Convention should act anyway, to remove all doubt and to give a clear witness to the community. Nevertheless, when you talk about kicking a church out of the Florida Baptist Convention, it IS INDEED RELEVANT to clarify whether the church is in the convention to begin with for you to be able to kick them out.<br /><br />Such technicalities are indeed relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of things—juxtaposed against the pain inflicted upon so many victims by Gilyard—but when it comes to actions like booting a church out of the convention, which is a bureaucratic and legal maneuver, you can't get it done without people who can pay attention to the technicalities and use them to set things in motion.Bart Barberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14021102240441576393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11619410235915186902012-03-08T19:51:03.661-05:002012-03-08T19:51:03.661-05:00I am definitely for dismissing this church immedia...I am definitely for dismissing this church immediately on all levels. Dismissing a church is not a violation of church autonomy it is rather a confirmation of it. Conventions and associations are made up of autonomous churches who have a right to decide with whom they will fellowship.John Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79715564875046788492012-03-08T16:46:18.111-05:002012-03-08T16:46:18.111-05:00"Be careful about messing with God's man...."Be careful about messing with God's man."<br /><br />How did you come to the conclusion that Gilyard is God's man?<br /><br />Certainly not by his actions.<br /><br />"Dr. Gilyard has made a few mistakes...we all have."<br /><br />Mistakes?<br />You mean he accidentally abused those women while counseling them?<br /><br />How did he accidentally abuse them?<br /><br />"Quit picking on Black Preachers."<br /><br />Since WD has reported on the abuse of power by both white and black pastors, are you saying that only white pastors can be critiqued?<br /><br />"Racism is ugly."<br /><br />So is idolatry. <br />Learn the difference.<br /><br />Pulling out the race card is a sign of complete and utter desperation.<br /><br />Grow up TROLL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47543734005047832882012-03-08T16:09:18.846-05:002012-03-08T16:09:18.846-05:00Maybe we can ask Obama if Gillyard can be classifi...Maybe we can ask Obama if Gillyard can be classified as a terrorist? Clearly to the abuse victims (past and future one's), Gillyard is a terrorist. Maybe this is a new trend in the War on Terror. <a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/03/06/attorney_general_holder_defends_execution_without_charges/singleton/" rel="nofollow">How soon will it be before we see drones above Jacksonville?</a> Or <a href="http://jonathanturley.org/2012/03/08/mueller-i-am-not-sure-whether-i-now-can-kill-citizens-in-the-united-states-under-obamas-kill-doctrine/" rel="nofollow">Maybe the FBI will act on it?</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26569402909288092842012-03-08T15:34:56.425-05:002012-03-08T15:34:56.425-05:00"a world that is dying and going to hell.&quo..."a world that is dying and going to hell."<br /><br />And what are you doing about it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70227723215415317912012-03-08T14:40:31.595-05:002012-03-08T14:40:31.595-05:00"You act if there are more important things w..."You act if there are more important things we should be thinking on"<br /><br />Brilliant!<br /><br />Because (as everyone knows) you can't deal with more than one issue at the same time. <br /><br />As a matter of fact, we should ignore all sin because their is a world that is dying and going to hell. <br /><br />We should ignore female pastors because of the dying world.<br /><br />We should ignore homosexual priests because of the dying world.<br /><br />But most importantly, we should ignore recalcitrant bloggers because of the dying world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14083381781987362192012-03-08T14:33:01.491-05:002012-03-08T14:33:01.491-05:00Be careful about messing with God's man.
Dr. ...Be careful about messing with God's man.<br /><br />Dr. Gilyard has made a few mistakes...we all have.<br /><br />Quit picking on Black Preachers.<br /><br />Racism is ugly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23398236635894168222012-03-08T14:17:18.104-05:002012-03-08T14:17:18.104-05:00"Come on bro. You act if there are more impor..."Come on bro. You act if there are more important things we should be thinking on, like billions of lost people dying and going to hell."<br /><br />Yeah, who cares about a few women that were abused at the hands of their pastor. They can get over those emotional scars in the next life. That's not important.<br /><br />What is important is that the pastor (even a pedophile pastor) must be worshiped at all costs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38894069416889844442012-03-08T10:25:49.885-05:002012-03-08T10:25:49.885-05:00"Somehow I doubt that he is reading this blog..."Somehow I doubt that he is reading this blog so we're wasting our time hyperventilating about his sins."<br /><br />Come on bro. You act if there are more important things we should be thinking on, like billions of lost people dying and going to hell. Stories of salvation are no where as sensational as bashing the real sinners. Get a life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56217202026485365142012-03-08T10:13:09.488-05:002012-03-08T10:13:09.488-05:00Interesting, the FBCJAX website appears to be down...Interesting, the FBCJAX website appears to be down.. Wonder what's up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55073705303377933022012-03-08T09:49:31.427-05:002012-03-08T09:49:31.427-05:00There needs to be an understanding and the women i...There needs to be an understanding and the women in that church in which Gilyard is in need to be concerned. They can forgive him of his past but he DOES NOT MEET requirements to be placed to any type of elder again, he lied, lied, lied and lied some more and then he bore a false tesitmony toward the women he abused. Please, Florida Baptist Convention step in and talk this out and point this out to their leadership and not just remove him from membership. That is not being responsible enough. I am tired the lack of boldness to confront this head on and merely relying on statements to solve it.G. Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11347794128375977943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21924910230792608302012-03-08T09:16:28.871-05:002012-03-08T09:16:28.871-05:00"Somehow I doubt that he is reading this blog..."Somehow I doubt that he is reading this blog so we're wasting our time hyperventilating about his sins."<br /><br />Gilliard's victims would strongly disagree with you I am sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33977444577321258042012-03-08T09:14:59.734-05:002012-03-08T09:14:59.734-05:00"It really doesn't even matter what you t..."It really doesn't even matter what you think about whether Gilyard is worth or not, you are not members of his church and therefore have no say in the matter."<br /><br />Stupid ridiculous argument. Goes against what Paul and Jesus taught in the New Testament.<br /><br />It's the same argument that liberals use to say you can't comment on something unless you have experienced the same thing personally.<br /><br />Like I need to be an alcoholic to know that drinking too much is bad for you. Ignorant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61292916652659810752012-03-08T09:11:45.704-05:002012-03-08T09:11:45.704-05:00"What would you have done with the Apostle Pa..."What would you have done with the Apostle Paul?"<br /><br />Paul was abusing Christians BEFORE he became a Christian not after. It seems like anyone with average intelligence you would pick up on that. But not our favorite TROLL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74377366083491472512012-03-08T09:09:08.427-05:002012-03-08T09:09:08.427-05:00"Some of you legalists sure have a dim view o..."Some of you legalists sure have a dim view of God's grace if you say Gilyard could never change."<br /><br />Some of you bleeding heart liberals sure have a dim view of God's righteousness if you think God will overlook sin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78431119797516024942012-03-07T22:30:53.202-05:002012-03-07T22:30:53.202-05:00Some of you legalists sure have a dim view of God&...Some of you legalists sure have a dim view of God's grace if you say Gilyard could never change. What would you have done with the Apostle Paul?<br /><br />It really doesn't even matter what you think about whether Gilyard is worth or not, you are not members of his church and therefore have no say in the matter.<br /><br />Somehow I doubt that he is reading this blog so we're wasting our time hyperventilating about his sins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42831048714536576772012-03-07T19:35:03.564-05:002012-03-07T19:35:03.564-05:00Anonymous March 7, 2:26: Of course God forgives; o...Anonymous March 7, 2:26: Of course God forgives; of course God restores. That is central to the Gospel message, but you are serving up a heaping helping of cheap grace, not the grace of God through Christ Jesus our Lord. Your logic goes off course, however, when you compare Gilyard to Paul, Peter, Nicky Cruz or Franklin Graham. None of those individuals were preachers, trading on the trust of the innocent, when they were called by God and had their lives turned around. Gilyard, on the other hand, had allegedly been called by God, surrendered to that call and became a preacher BEFORE he violated the trust and the bodies of women and girls. Interestingly, in Matthew 18:6 Jesus tells us what he thinks of folks like Gilliard, and I don't see "forgive" or "restore" there. That is scary stuff if you are a Biblical literalist.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88328975463134658812012-03-07T17:12:45.657-05:002012-03-07T17:12:45.657-05:00Follow-up to Nan Hawkes story:
http://www.commerci...Follow-up to Nan Hawkes story:<br />http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/mar/02/churchgoer-accused-of-gossip-02/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67298332145989407512012-03-07T16:49:16.171-05:002012-03-07T16:49:16.171-05:00Watchdog, I guess I qualify as a robot - took 5 tr...Watchdog, I guess I qualify as a robot - took 5 tries before I finally got through - I'm positive you have good reason for your new system, but one has to be persistent if they want to ge through. LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13818194232296243322012-03-07T16:45:26.931-05:002012-03-07T16:45:26.931-05:00There is no proof that Gilyard is still abusing an...There is no proof that Gilyard is still abusing anyone. Guess you don't believe in forgiveness, cleansing, and grace.<br /><br /><br />"Yes, I do believe in that - but a sexual pervert should not be given the spotlight in a pulpit - besides it was his VICTIMS who spoke up - he was caught, and he will do it again!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10488898169440521162012-03-07T16:38:29.188-05:002012-03-07T16:38:29.188-05:00"There is no proof that Gilyard is still abus..."There is no proof that Gilyard is still abusing anyone."<br /><br />You first TROLL. You should send one of your family members to his church on the chance the he doesn't repeat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com