tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post987937893376640414..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Sheri Klouda's Response to Patterson and BrunsonFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29037510868020740742008-07-26T01:22:00.000-04:002008-07-26T01:22:00.000-04:00Scott? Joni? Who are you speaking to?Scott? Joni? Who are you speaking to?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59222120274925347062008-07-26T01:17:00.000-04:002008-07-26T01:17:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306943981448652328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70615255214372239252008-07-25T23:49:00.000-04:002008-07-25T23:49:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10306943981448652328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27955358597844530062008-07-22T11:33:00.000-04:002008-07-22T11:33:00.000-04:00rm - no one is afraid Mac "will do something to th...rm - no one is afraid Mac "will do something to them." But there are always some nuts in large churches who think they are doing "God's Will" by taking matters into their own hands. They are unstable and certainly would be acting contrary to what Mac would have them do. They are dangerous, so anonymity is wise. Such nuts attend FBC, and they read blogs, and they are not rational. So I commend WD for requiring screen names at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14583947041986451982008-07-21T23:23:00.000-04:002008-07-21T23:23:00.000-04:00This should really be interesting since I imagine ...This should really be interesting since I imagine most of the anonymous posters are afraid to even remotely reveal their names because they're afraid Mac will do something to them. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes I think you folks need to get real. <BR/><BR/>Revealing your real names might actually lead to some credibility on your part and maybe some actual answers on their part. <BR/><BR/>Try it--you might like it.RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10769726517498571207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53030745147097248082008-07-20T22:22:00.000-04:002008-07-20T22:22:00.000-04:00Readers: I can no longer allow straight "Anonymous...Readers: I can no longer allow straight "Anonymous" postings. From this day on anyone wishing to post comments on the Watchdog posts must register with Google. You can still post anonymously by giving yourself a nondescriptive "Display Name" during the registration process, and choosing the option to hide your email address from your profile.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the inconvenience.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81715203242570614862008-07-20T16:57:00.000-04:002008-07-20T16:57:00.000-04:00At 70+ comments on this post alone I believe there...At 70+ comments on this post alone I believe there are more than 10 people that read it. Keep up the good work. <BR/><BR/>A former member of FBD......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78180325328139914472008-07-20T01:03:00.000-04:002008-07-20T01:03:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-289863267841984612008-07-20T00:16:00.000-04:002008-07-20T00:16:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37391473641020759882008-07-19T23:30:00.000-04:002008-07-19T23:30:00.000-04:00Some of those posting here have a misconception co...Some of those posting here have a misconception concerning Matt 18: vs 15-17. Matthew is writing to the Jews. Notice how in vs 17 he uses the phrase "be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican". Note unto thee (one individual) not two or more or a group. The word heathen is found in the greek text as "ethnikos" which is specically a Gentile. To the Jew a Gentile was not a Jew. Therefore, the one offended, if he was not able to talk to the offender, he alone was to treat the person as a Gentile. (Gentiles were heathen to the Jews). No one else is involved, since they are not a party to the dispute. Remember when the Sandherin met to take action against Jesus it was their decision to have him crucified, yet, he was innocent of all their charges. It does not always appear that groups make the best decisions. I do not find anywhere in the bible that the church should become involved in disputes between individuals in the book of Matthew. It may be somewhere else, but definitely does not appear there.<BR/><BR/>The New Testament church does not appear until Acts chp.2. The Holy Spirit did not come down until Acts. Chp. 2: vs. 2-4. <BR/>The book of Matthew is a transitional book. It is written from a Jewish standpoint to the Jew.<BR/>In Matt. Chp. l8, the people were not yet saved. Jesus did not go to the Cross until Matt: chp. 27.The brother spoken of in chp. 18 is clearly the Jew to the Jew. Jews had nothing to do with Gentiles. A Gentile could not go to a synagogue. So applying Matt.l8 to the church and a Christian does not fit. Verse l7, Jesus speaks of the church but it is not the Christian church of today. Acts:ll: vs.26b: "And the diciples were called Christians first in Antioch".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25461014155539817412008-07-19T16:54:00.000-04:002008-07-19T16:54:00.000-04:00That's easy Anon - as Mac preaches, we need to be ...That's easy Anon - as Mac preaches, we need to be accomdating and friendly to the lost, but for the "recalcitants", we must not associate with them. I'm surprised there wasn't a discipline committee that sought to throw her out of the church for bringing a lawsuit against SWBTS and Paige Patterson.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66827579257888779922008-07-19T16:41:00.000-04:002008-07-19T16:41:00.000-04:00As disheartening and disgusting as it is that Dr. ...As disheartening and disgusting as it is that Dr. Klouda did not win her case against SWBTS, the saddest phrase in her letter is: <BR/><BR/>"No one in my own church came forward once when my husband was ill, or expressed any concern about out situation at all apart from a few of the adults who taught junior high."<BR/><BR/>We Baptists tell folks that everyone should get involved in Sunday morning Bible Study, either teaching or as a class member, and THAT's where your support system comes from. Hmmmm....didn't exactly pan out that way at FBD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73911565610558276812008-07-19T13:46:00.000-04:002008-07-19T13:46:00.000-04:00Do you really think your little blog with about 3 ...Do you really think your little blog with about 3 or 4 people who post against Mac Brunson are going to change the course of this church? Wow, you have got the big head fbc jax watchdog. Come on, please stop exaggerating the importance of an internet blog. Anybody can get on here and say anything...how many people in a church of thousands do you think READ this thing, and how many people do you think BELIEVE it. And how many people do you think care? About 10? Well, i get on the internet and say stuff all the time, it doesn't make it IMPORTANT. At least I know my place as a troll. But I wouldn't be trolling against a church or a pastor like you, I'd be too scared.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49289798761464477792008-07-19T13:20:00.000-04:002008-07-19T13:20:00.000-04:00I know you said you wouldn't post any more of the ...I know you said you wouldn't post any more of the things about who you are WD but please hear me. You should be prepared. If people know who you are but are not saying, they do so not out of kindness or restraint as some blogger said, but because they believe it now to be in the best interest of the church and Mac. If Mac Brunson surprises everyone and bolts for another opportunity, you my friend will bear the brunt and the wrath of his faithful followers of which there are many and they are young and brash. Mac Brunson is a man with a tremendous need to feel the respect of his congregation and when he senses that its not there or has waned below an acceptable level, he starts looking for a way out. I am not saying you would be the cause of him leaving as his problems are of his own making, but it would be perceived that way by many who are outraged by your audacity of speaking out on Mac Brunson as you do. So be ready.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77152630392997073302008-07-19T13:10:00.000-04:002008-07-19T13:10:00.000-04:00I for one think it is too late for the preacher to...I for one think it is too late for the preacher to "get right". He has lost his chance here. Now it only remains for the men (?) to do what they need to, in order to protect this once great church. The preacher must move on to "greener" pastures where his "style", history, and anger can be properly appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89246561906177856132008-07-19T13:01:00.000-04:002008-07-19T13:01:00.000-04:00Brunson vs. VinesI wonder if Mac - now that he eit...Brunson vs. Vines<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Mac - now that he either has been alerted to the fact that he told a lie or now knows his lie has been exposed - that he will offer a public apology to his congregation for lying to them and to Sheri Klouda for lying about her.<BR/><BR/>Let's contrast Brunson with Jerry Vines - Vines made his share of famous quotes that got him into hot water - the most notable was the "demon-possessed pedophile" quote describing Mohammed. Most secular bios even define Vines by this one quote. Boy did Vines take some heat for that in the secular AS WELL AS Christian community (many people on Christendom condemned him for his remarks). But he did have the backbone to stand in front of his congregation and read a prepared statement addressing the controversy. He did it in front of a packed house at FBC Jax. He explained that he had historical evidence upon which he made the statement, chapter and verse out of the Koran, said that he believes the Bible that Jesus is the one and only way to heaven, and that was all he said. He got a standing ovation from his congregation, then went on to preach a bible sermon.<BR/><BR/>So Vines didn't carelessly "pop off" about his views on Mohammed...he didn't take historical facts...he didn't misquote someone or make up a quote about what some person said in history....and he didn't mischaracterize someone's testimony. Vines carefully researched his statement on Mohammed, knew the heat would come and had chapter and verse out of the Koran on which he stood by his statement (as well as a former Muslim who backed him up).<BR/><BR/>Then comes Mac in his pick-up from Deerwood with his Krispy Kremes...he gives a false account of Rothschild's banking empire that never happened as though it was history...then lies about Sheri Klouda's testimony. No small matter - as one blogger has said probably the most significant court case in SBC life in the past 10 years. Mac has now drawn the gaze of thousands all over the SBC over his statements of Klouda...what will he do? Will he have the backbone as Vines did and stand and offer his facts to back up what he says about Klouda? Or does he just figure we'll get over it? We shall see...and I think I know what to expect.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53254122804742954152008-07-19T11:29:00.000-04:002008-07-19T11:29:00.000-04:00WD, don't listen to these people trying to intimid...WD, don't listen to these people trying to intimidate you. More and more people at the church are beginning to put the pieces of the Mac Brunson puzzle together. You have done a very good thing on this blog. Your style at times I don't agree with. But you have dared to listen to his words, compare them to his previous statements in his book and then share them with the congregation. This is a very good thing. You've listened to his words in just the last two weeks and have exposed him to be a one who takes great liberty with historical facts; and one who breaches confidentiality; and one who will lie about someone like Sheri Klouda. You've helped expose some major character flaws in Brunson that he needs to get right or his time at Jacksonville will be very brief. You will see very soon that Jerry Sutton will be given his walking papers at Two Rivers for the manner in which he has harmed his church. Let's hope this is a trend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63561020667816401622008-07-19T10:58:00.000-04:002008-07-19T10:58:00.000-04:00I wonder if the attorney that gave the preacher fa...I wonder if the attorney that gave the preacher facts on the Klouda case thought he was speaking in confidence? If so then the preacher was speaking "out of school". Sort of like he did about the couple in Texas he and Debbie counseled. The moral is things spoken to "this" preacher may not stay in confidence. Doesn't that violate some moral law? Pastor confidentiality or something? Beware if you don't want to be the subject in a sermon don't tell them anything. This odd behavior coming from someone who is very secretive about his own business. And passes by-laws that very few but the elite have seen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10368417609112075902008-07-19T10:06:00.000-04:002008-07-19T10:06:00.000-04:00July 19, 2008 8:42 AM - The anon "that seems to kn...July 19, 2008 8:42 AM - The anon "that seems to know" me is misinformed and wrong. He is not showing "restraint" by posting personal information about another man and family in our church, which of course, I am not going to post. THIS WILL BE MY LAST PUBLIC RESPONSE to anyone trying to guess who I am, or post personal information about other people in our church that they assume is the WD. <BR/><BR/>Please, simply call or email the person you think is the Watchdog. I am sure that man will be glad to talk with you. As a matter of fact, I would expect the church staff, or deacon chair, or trustee, to call anyone they think is the WD and tell them straight up "we believe you are the WD based on x, y and z and we would like you to stop." The bottom line is, apparently, no one has any clue as to who I am. OR, some do know, but they realize the futility in trying to keep someone from blogging. I may blog for another five years if I choose. Hopefully, things will get better and my blog will be about all that God is doing at FBC Jax. Unfortunately, when the preacher lies to us, and abuses finances, then I will be blogging about that. I am not going to stop either way, even if "exposed." <BR/><BR/>Now, let's get back to the topic of why Mac would choose to disclose to the whole church, and to the whole world over internet and radio and TV, a personal and private conversation he had with the defense attorney of Sheri Klouda. This lawyer was on a cruise with a friend in Greece. He could never imagine Mac would use this conversation in a sermon, and then twist the story to imply Dr.Klouda said and did something that is not true. This issue was put to rest for the most part, but Mac once again opens his mouth without thinking and brings more scrutiny upon himself, this defense lawyer, Paige Patterson, and the SBC. With friends like Mac, who needs enemies.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27931198667393590982008-07-19T08:42:00.000-04:002008-07-19T08:42:00.000-04:00First Mac, then Patterson, the IMB and SBC. Where ...First Mac, then Patterson, the IMB and SBC. Where do you stop? And you say the anon is a hateful Christain. do you even read the stuff you write. People are beleiving everything you write as fact, and why should they, we dont even know who you are. There is little validity to many of the things you claim. Your comments about neing exposed makes you sound like a martyr. You dont see any light at the end of the tunnel. Other than Mac publicly confessing his wrong doing and possible stepping down (which wont happen) you offer no other solutions.<BR/>The anon that seems to know you seems to be still showing restraint in that he is using your screen name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60944593452393280872008-07-19T02:19:00.000-04:002008-07-19T02:19:00.000-04:00To the Anons who still think they know personal fa...To the Anons who still think they know personal facts about me and continue to post threatening messages to get me to take this blog down: I won't stop. Get over it. You think you can communicate to me that you know who I am (and its clear you DON'T know who I am based on the name you are calling me!) and that you threaten to "expose" me. You obviously think this would harm me and my family, and you must want to harm me. So go ahead, keep trying to find out who I am so you can expose me, as though that will help the situation at our church. How sad - either you are a vindictive person and just want to harm me, or worse you think that I am the problem at the church and not the pastor and you can help solve the problem by harming me and getting me under your threats of exposure to shut down the blog. Harm me all you want, it ain't gonna work.<BR/><BR/>Some advice: please, please please....if you think you know who I am, take my name, take my family members names, and go to the pastor and discipline committee. Share it with them, ask them to come to my house. Ask them to remove me from the membership. Expose me if you wish. But as the previous Anon poster said, the Watchdog is not the problem, and I am certainly not the answer. You can expose the watchdog, you can try to harm me and my family if you wish. But that won't solve the problems at our church.<BR/><BR/>As much as you don't want to admit it, this blog is sharing FACTS and commentary of those facts with the members of the FBC Jax and the SBC. If you want to get to a root cause problem, its not the blog, its the pastor's actions of which this blog is about.<BR/><BR/>I won't give in to your threats. I'll keep blogging. Count on it. As long as Mac keeps abusing our church, I'll keep blogging. And obviously, obviously, you'll keep reading!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36643185435845388212008-07-19T01:19:00.000-04:002008-07-19T01:19:00.000-04:00Please take note of the previous post signed "RM"....Please take note of the previous post signed "RM". That is not me.RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10769726517498571207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38574189807301986942008-07-19T00:46:00.000-04:002008-07-19T00:46:00.000-04:00Acknowledging the truth can be a painfull thing.Ch...Acknowledging the truth can be a painfull thing.<BR/>Christian or no, the human element still exists in us and the reaction can be as violent as detox. <BR/>These recent "Christian" posters are refusing to see things the way they really are.<BR/>Maybe in their mind, they're clinging to the memory of the glory days of FBC and won't let go.<BR/>Sadly our beloved church is not the same and tragically never will be.<BR/>I used to say FBC will still be OK as long as we don't stray from our true mission - reaching the lost for Christ. I truly believe that's why FBC has prospered and grown over the years. Now that we're following the PD playbook, with visitation and being "in the trenches" on a whole scale effort to reach people for Christ has been abandoned by the church, I fear the blessings of our church will diminish.<BR/>WAKE UP FBC!!<BR/>The fox is in the henhouse!( I should say foxES)<BR/>WD isn't the problem, nor is he the solution.<BR/>Don't slay the messenger just because you don't like the message!<BR/>I only hope God intervenes before FBC goes completely down the drain!<BR/>RMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50441907180675458502008-07-19T00:27:00.000-04:002008-07-19T00:27:00.000-04:00Such hateful Christians at FBC Jax posting here. T...Such hateful Christians at FBC Jax posting here. They want the Lord to handle Mac Brunson...God is sovereign they say when it comes to Mac and we should point out his abuses - let God handle it...but as for the watchdog, we must take care of him and make sure he knows how bad he is, and what a liar he is...and we must get him to stop.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20232429771654376932008-07-18T21:24:00.000-04:002008-07-18T21:24:00.000-04:00WD you must have a hard time making friends. You a...WD you must have a hard time making friends. You are constantly so rude, arrogant and condescending. I cant imagine anyone wanting to spend much time with such a know-it-all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com