tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post112353090786565577..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Two Rivers Baptist Church - Lessons for FBC Jax?FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53861353682153420752010-03-10T02:37:13.617-05:002010-03-10T02:37:13.617-05:00p.s. the FBC Pikeville pastor even referenced FBC...p.s. the FBC Pikeville pastor even referenced FBCJax when changing the bylaws manipulating people into thinking that was the right thing to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84621270907972894402010-03-10T02:35:06.181-05:002010-03-10T02:35:06.181-05:00So much of this sounds sadly like FBC Pikeville in...So much of this sounds sadly like FBC Pikeville in KY. Although not a mega church by any means, we still have the angry, dictator-like pastor who is not accountable to anyone, and the all too familiar "koolaid drinking" deacons and lay leaders. Although several have been willing to ask those important questions, most no longer attend or are willing to say anything after being told by the pastor or his wife they werent welcome, were removed or felt the need to resign from their ministry positions, treated with hostility or gossiped about to others as being "trouble makers", and told he no longer considered himself to be their pastor. This problem is not limited to mega churches. Please pray for other churches in this situation as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19332063061842575912008-05-25T04:52:00.000-04:002008-05-25T04:52:00.000-04:00When you get on your knees (if you do) to pray to ...When you get on your knees (if you do) to pray to a perfect and Holy God, do you think that He hears you when you are attacking His Church? Instead of wasting your time writing blogs about what is wrong with your church, and other churches around the nation, why don't you get up off of your office chair, and do something about it? The only thing that you are doing is causing disharmony within the Church of God. You are Satan's cancer. I pray that one day you will be held accountable for choosing the side of Satan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47990341018285671422008-05-22T21:27:00.000-04:002008-05-22T21:27:00.000-04:00Anon - I think you've said it very well. There is ...Anon - I think you've said it very well. There is nothing more than Brunson would love to think he is being criticized for "doing God's will" in moving FBC Jax into new areas of ministry. This is what Brunson and Smyrl wrongly think, that Brunson is being attacked by Satanic forces because he is God's man doing God's will. Smyrl said as much a few Wednesday's ago.<BR/><BR/>That is absolutely NOT what is happening here, he is meeting opposition because of his greed, arrogance, anger in the pulpit, and his words to others about us, and lately his careless preaching about "legalist lists".FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34839581017085065742008-05-22T21:22:00.000-04:002008-05-22T21:22:00.000-04:00May 22 - 5:54 pm - this blog is not about a pastor...May 22 - 5:54 pm - this blog is not about a pastor leading his church to be purpose driven. It is about a pastor operating without any accountability, building personal and family wealth as a priority over the best interest of the church, and refusing to dialogue with any one who has questions. It is about weak, cowardly, yes men on key committees that allow it, and it is about gullible sheep who so loved and trusted their former pastors that to them, they would rather be fleeced than ask any questions of the new "shepherd." If even ONE of these yes men put the interest of the church over that of themselves, they would respectfully request/demand more accountability...and giving would skyrocket and the FBC Jax might again have the hand of God on it. Until then, God has taken his hand off FBC Jax and is using faithful men elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84041031845019598522008-05-22T17:54:00.000-04:002008-05-22T17:54:00.000-04:00Loyalty and Cult: Friend, I know that you are up...Loyalty and Cult: Friend, I know that you are upset with the way Brunson is browbeating the churchmembers. Many others who have left their churches for this same reason would agree with you. See if this makes any since. You have, over the years, gathered a loyal body of believers in Jesus Christ. They are they who helped spread the gospel and in large part why the church grew. They became loyal primarily for two reasons. First they had pastors that preached the word from cover to cover. Pastors who they could love and trust through good times and hard times. Secondly they provide an atmospher where you could come and worship our Lord. You came whenever the doors were open and so did I. The messages were expository or evangelistic and most always about Jesus. It was easy to be loyal because we were in this together and you knew that you would spend an eternity together with Jesus. Now comes the cult. Recently, you have been getting a lot of Purpose Driven warning signs. Many web sites have called PD cultic. You can resurch and dicide for yourself. One thing for sure Rick Warren says once you begin the transition from a traditional to a PD church NEVER GIVE UP. The problem that Brunson is having is that he is pushing too fast. The transition should go slowly. As you progress through the transition you will encounter resistors. They say that this is normal just continue. You still have your loyal ones. The transition goes through stages. It appears to me that you are now in the get rid of the nonloyal people stage. Those who resist the changes are disloyal. PERIOD. They mean to drive you out if you do not like what they are doing. Rick Warren calls those who leave, BLESSED SUBTRACTION. Check your new bylaws. Have they changed how to deal with problem people? Once they have driven out the problem people what do they have left? All loyal people! Now they can do whatever they want to do. The loyalist will let them. The old people will die off and with them their traditions. I guess this is why some call this cultic. Don't give up on Brunson just yet. He may surprise us all and see the light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36973695280912445812008-05-22T12:17:00.000-04:002008-05-22T12:17:00.000-04:00Here is an anonymous post that an FBC Dallas membe...Here is an anonymous post that an FBC Dallas member posted today in one of the articles from March that no one would see, so I'm posting it here:<BR/><BR/>----------------------------<BR/>I just want to say that the Anon post of March 12, 2008 1:31 PM was right on target with the blinders comment.<BR/><BR/>As a member of First Baptist Dallas, I've observed and heard from close friends and family members who were employed that Mac is not the person people think he is...he has evidently let money go to his head and wants things done his way. It's unfortunate because I feel that pastors need to live like the pastors they should be - not in million dollar homes with six figure salaries. I think it's reasonable to expect to pay them enough for their work plus cost of living, but at the same time. Nepotism is also an issue....members of his family were paid a lot to do very little to nothing. I was really praying that the move to Jax would make him change, but unfortunately it sounds like he's the same or a little worse. The move was the best for First Baptist Dallas. We are seeing more and more decisions in a short time than we did in the same amount of time when Mac was there. As always, my prayers are with both churches for nothing but the best. I just pray Mac will see that he needs to be more humble and approach people with a sense of kindness.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34389251006015485212008-05-22T10:05:00.000-04:002008-05-22T10:05:00.000-04:00Glad to see some of you have sufficient biblical d...Glad to see some of you have sufficient biblical discernment to recognize the Purpose Driven church movement has reached into FBC.<BR/><BR/>A must read along with many others can be found in the topic The Church Growth Movement An Analysis of Rick Warren's ":Purpose Driven" Church Growth Stategy. You can read for yourself at the website...<BR/>www.a-voice.org/discern/saddle/htm<BR/><BR/>Note the two paragraphs where Rick is speaking about 25 of the Largest Southern Baptist church pastors: Adrian Rogers, Charles Stanley, Ed Young Sr, himself and some others (wish I had all their names) and he says that they all get together in a hotel for 2-3 days and just talk about our churches. Then he says they say Rick tell us about Saddlecreek. So for a couple of hours he tells them about Saddlecreek and there is W A Criswell taking notes in his seventies. (this had to be between 1978-87) since W A Criswell would be in his 80's after 1988. Rick says Criswell was taking notes and still learning.<BR/><BR/>Then Rick notes "if you want growth, dynamic growth then he must do it the "Saddlecreek" way, but if the pastor decides to stay in the conservative traditional mode, his ministry of church will wither on the vine". <BR/><BR/>When Dr Criswell preached here at one of his last conference's (around 1997?)he preached on "Give me that old time religion". I have the the video. I do not recall him saying anything about Purpose Driven and could have possibly changed his mind regarding PD if he was ever for it to begin with.<BR/><BR/>Guess what? Dr Lindsay was still much apart of the conservative traditional mode just like his father before him from 1940-2000. I don't believe FBC got into Saddlecreek and for those years 1988-2000 FBC flourished. I just do not get what Purpose Driven could ever do for FBC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81416130756764916692008-05-22T01:55:00.000-04:002008-05-22T01:55:00.000-04:00"Right now CARELESS preaching by Mac Brunson,too m..."Right now CARELESS preaching by Mac Brunson,too much History lessons,it's abusive,angry,and the dark demeanor of the Pastor".WD point proven!!!I personally believe this is the beginning of a falling away from John 12:32.Thanks again for your effort to inform the FBC membership thru this blog and allowing outsiders like myself to participate.(I was once a member in the late seventies)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44755840786445435312008-05-22T01:26:00.000-04:002008-05-22T01:26:00.000-04:00pastor Rod - I wouldn't say that my view is that P...pastor Rod - I wouldn't say that my view is that PD movement is harmless - I'll say that the "PD" changes of the church are not the primary purpose of this blog although I don't mind them being discussed...and I'll say this: the departure of lifting up the name of Christ at our church is not really the PD movement at this point, although it may be eventually. Right now its careless preaching by Mac Brunson, too much history lessons, its abusive, angry, and dark demeanor of the pastor that makes the gospel unattractive at our church - which I don't think has anything to do with the PD movement, but has to do with Mac himself. I used to want to invite people to my church because I knew they would hear a clear gospel message, from a bible expositor, full of truth but spoken sincerely in love by a preacher who loves people and is not angry with them. I cannot being visitors to our church to hear an angry man, talking down to his congregation, blasting us unnecessarily for things that are not important or not true to give history lessons mixed with a little bit of bible. Its embarrassing really to be sitting in church as a grown man, to hear another grown man angrily and condescendingly tell us "Now look up here...sit up, focus, and look at me and listen..." I'm trying to find under what scenario as any kind of public speaker, teacher, presenter where I would use that kind of language with my audience. I haven't thought of one yet.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16397401735483529242008-05-22T01:05:00.000-04:002008-05-22T01:05:00.000-04:00WD you may think that the purpose driven movement ...WD you may think that the purpose driven movement is harmless but I assure you that it is beginning of your church's departure from lifting up Jesus Christ so that He will draw all men unto Himself[John 12:32].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9539783369613852292008-05-22T00:25:00.000-04:002008-05-22T00:25:00.000-04:004:45 You wanted to know where these changes are co...4:45 You wanted to know where these changes are coming from? Someone said that Rodney and some staff members whent to Bill Hybels purpose driven church, Willow Creek Association, for some training. Bill Hybels church is one of the largest purpose driven churches in the country. What we did see when Mac Brunson first came to FBC was a big change in the music. The volume got turned up and the number of songs per service increased from 3or 4 to at times 6 to 10. We got loud contemporary music. Some blended music. Some music that had verses repeated over and over,almost like a chant. They call it praise music. People asked that the music volume be turned down. I am not sure if they have turned it down. Rick Warren said that he liked it loud because his members liked it loud. At the same time that the music changed we went into a CONTEMPORARY WORSHIP SERVICE operation. All of this to attract the unchurched. Unchurched is what the purpose driven church calls the lost. Much of the music is enjoyable but when half of the service is music that becomes entertainment. Then when half of the next half of the service is a history lesson, how much time is left to hear about our heavenly father. You know, the One who gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. Many fine churches, by linking up with Warren and Hybels, have hitched their horses to the wrong wagon. They know not what they do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56344251485002781512008-05-21T23:59:00.000-04:002008-05-21T23:59:00.000-04:00Purpose driven or not, all I want is some transpar...Purpose driven or not, all I want is some transparency in finances and to have my emails responded to. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65925103897106252392008-05-21T23:33:00.000-04:002008-05-21T23:33:00.000-04:00UNQUESTIONING LOYALTY TO PASTORAL LEADERSHIP THE M...UNQUESTIONING LOYALTY TO PASTORAL LEADERSHIP THE MARK OF A CULT.<BR/>Check this out at wayoflife.org<BR/>We already look like most of the traits outlined in this article. We are moving to ecumenism at an alarming rate. The SBC and Richard Land has embraced Rick Warren's formula. Thomas Road Baptist has converted as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62542320944416922772008-05-21T22:20:00.000-04:002008-05-21T22:20:00.000-04:00Your previous blogger has laid out correctly the p...Your previous blogger has laid out correctly the problem in churches today. And yes FBC is well into Purpose Driven. Check out the article previously presented to you "Is Your Church Going Purpose Driven" (scionofZion.com/purpose_driven.htm).<BR/><BR/>Most of these churches today are taking a CUE from the Purpose Driven Movement and the "feel good" pablum they feed gullible church members. Many know very little about how the church will fall in the end time Laodicean age. We're in it folks!!!<BR/><BR/>Now for this "legalism tag". Who cares!!You can call me legalistic, "I don't care". If you mean because I believe in the way things worked previously. Also, because I don't think any thing about Purpose Driven is spiritual or on Judgement Day, will prove "acceptable", then call me legalistic, I don't care. One thing you can't do is tear down what this church and others have done in the past for Jesus. You can't negate the preaching of Godly men or the souls that were saved. It doesn't look so good now in the Laodicean church age does it? Guess what? Its going to get worse. Most preachers now are of this age. So, if the past worked, how are you going to fault us who were there and know it worked? Call me legalistic, I don't care!<BR/><BR/>Jesus is speaking: Rev 3:14 " And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things sayeth the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; vs 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold or hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. vs 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51010216347770290912008-05-21T19:17:00.000-04:002008-05-21T19:17:00.000-04:00Watchdog - if you have any information about how m...Watchdog - if you have any information about how much is being paid to Dr. Vines, I would not post it. Too many people will make it about Jerry Vines. Its not. The bottom line is that SOMEONE in our church is approving these kinds of expenditures without any accountability to the people that give the money. This is about our gullibility and willingness to give millions without any insistence that we see an accounting of where our money is going. As long as this is going on, those few yes men can spend it however they like...and reap the benefits of their power and generosity with our (I mean "God's") money.)<BR/><BR/>Will even ONE president/trustee/deacon get a conscience and demand the books be opened? Even one? So many are quick to "Amen" when the pastor refers to a legalistic list without even saying what things he is talking about, but these same "ameners" sit like whipped little gullible lap dogs when the hundreds of thousands of dollars are being secretly spent. These men will give an account to Jesus someday, not to us, unfortunately. <BR/><BR/>Please Lord, move on the heart of just ONE "insider" yes man. Give him courage to serve YOU, and not man. Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35215191807022367692008-05-21T17:36:00.000-04:002008-05-21T17:36:00.000-04:00my 4:25 Here is a site that will show you how to c...my 4:25 Here is a site that will show you how to change an established church to a purpose driven church. Much of this sounds good but look out for how they do it. http://stateofthechurch.com/Articles/transition anestablishedchurch.htm<BR/><BR/>Be carefull with the address. If the site does not show up,shorten it to http://stateofthechurch.com<BR/><BR/>There are many ways to change a church. This is just one way they do it. Also, notice the Pastors.com link - Rick WarrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34156346067610562842008-05-21T16:45:00.000-04:002008-05-21T16:45:00.000-04:00WD your 10:25 Thank you for being open about your...WD your 10:25 Thank you for being open about your opinion of the PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH MOVEMENT. I will not be able to address all of your concerns here but let us look at "LIVING IN THE PAST AND WORSHIPPING IN THE PAST" We grew to over 20'000 members by using bliblical principles. In the Pastors Conferance we even trained thousands of preachers using these same principles. Could we have done better? Certainly! Did the Holy Spirit grow the church? Absolutely! The way we conducted our church was prayed over and over that God's will be done. We always tried to do the best that we could that Christ would be glorified. What we did in the past,iiving in the past and worshipping in the past, WORKED. Now here comes the PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH and they say you can't do it that way anymore. They call the way we did things before TRADITION. Tradition to them is LEGALISM. So, if you want to continue to do what WORKED. You are being legalistic. You obviouly do not believe that we are legalistic nor do I. Mac Brunson said that FBCJAX is a"hot bed of legalism". Did I quote him wrong? How much does he want to change? Anon gave us a site to check out, to see if we are going PURPOSE DRIVEN. Did you check it out? I did and found we are way down the road to being ful blown PURPOSE DRIVEN. By the way, who said that the way we lived and worshiped in the past would not work in the future? Was it RICK WARREN? I believe the PURPOSE DRIVEN Churchers want to change our traditions for their traditions. So Watchdog, we are always ready to change the way we do things if it will glorify our Lord and win more souls. The next question we need to ask ourselves is were are all of these changes coming from? Stay in prayerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51541218091510787222008-05-21T16:36:00.000-04:002008-05-21T16:36:00.000-04:00Someone mentioned Bailey Smith's sermons on the wo...Someone mentioned Bailey Smith's sermons on the world coming into the church. Went to his website and looks like the world has come into his personal biography. I'm just a layman and would never allow my christian accomplishments to be touted like that. (this is not to say the sermons aren't good as I haven't listened to them)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37736455170353963942008-05-21T12:14:00.000-04:002008-05-21T12:14:00.000-04:00WD: Please repost the retirement package comments....WD: Please repost the retirement package comments. I have heard different things in the past. The rest of us have a right to this info also. I know you are waiting for proof, but it could confirm what we have already heard, or maybe be confirmed by someone else. Thanks. Don't post of course, if the blogger has asked that it be removed, or if you know it is incorrect info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87017303912593763862008-05-21T10:56:00.000-04:002008-05-21T10:56:00.000-04:00RM - obviously you saw the anon post before I dele...RM - obviously you saw the anon post before I deleted it.<BR/><BR/>An anon posted here claiming to have knowledge of previous pastors' "retirement" draws from our church. I've decided to delete this post - although if what the anon posted here is true, then what a shame.<BR/><BR/>Anon who posted: you have my email if you want to give me further information confirming your information, otherwise its so damming I don't want to put it here. If you don't want to email you can post with a first line of DON'T POST and I will read your message but not post it.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24717886096290516042008-05-21T10:33:00.000-04:002008-05-21T10:33:00.000-04:00Wow. I'd like to come to your church if those are...Wow. I'd like to come to your church if those are the retirement benefits you give. I've never heard of anything like that and I've been a pastor for 43 years.RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10769726517498571207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-92041372124991935782008-05-20T22:43:00.000-04:002008-05-20T22:43:00.000-04:00I brought my Bible Sunday, just like I do every ot...I brought my Bible Sunday, just like I do every other service. And yet the man implied that somehow we don't bring, or read, our Bibles. What is his problem with this? The last time he asked us to hold up our Bibles I saw thousands of them go up, practically every person had one. Instead of saying: "thanks. Isn't that awesome, look at how many Bibles are out there. Great job, congregation." He said nothing. I guess it makes him feel superior or more spiritual. I can't figure out what his motives could possibly be about implying that we don't bring or read a Bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85261692287444714412008-05-20T22:25:00.000-04:002008-05-20T22:25:00.000-04:00Anon - good question on the PD church movement.I p...Anon - good question on the PD church movement.<BR/><BR/>I probably depart from some of the posters here on this, in that I am not worried that FBC Jax is going "purpose driven". I think that a contemporary service is probably coming, and I don't mind. I don't think Mac Brunson has some sort of hidden agenda to "move us" into the PD movement. I think he like many others wants to make whatever changes will help us reach more people while not compromising our beliefs. I've said it before, I'll say it again. When Mac Brunson came I KNEW change was coming, and I welcomed it. The music changes made were great. <BR/><BR/>However, where I do take issue with Mac is how he and Jim Smyrl have complained about people "living in the past" and "worshipping the past". They need to LEAD and stop whining about the resistance they get. Shut up, plot a course, and sell it and communicate it in LOVE to your fellowship - don't beat them up and ram it down their throats. <BR/><BR/>There were some who thought Mac Brunson preaching out of the NASB and not the KJV was a crisis. But everytime there is change there will be critics, and the only thing you can do is love the critics, don't complain about the complainers, and JUST LEAD. <BR/><BR/>For example, Jim Smyrl's comments last fall when he didn't wear a tie showed his immaturity and lack of leadership experience. OK, he's in the pulpit without a tie. Fine, that communicates a move that the church is open to more "relaxed" dress on Wednesdays. Fine. But then he dares to say there are people who are more concerned about whether he has a tie than they are about a co-worker lost and going to hell. That's ridiculous - desiring the preacher to wear a tie and witnessing are not mutually exclusive - and YES there are some older, precious saints who do like the pastor to wear a tie. SO WHAT! Is Jim more spiritual not wearing a tie, than those who prefer him to have a tie?<BR/><BR/>My concern over Mac Brunson has nothing to do with these kinds of things. It is over the things I've blogged about - and its not the color of the carpets, the music, the clothes he wears, how he parts his hair.<BR/><BR/>But about Mac's leadership I'll say this: his preaching is a MAJOR disappointment, and my concern grows by the week. He continues to treat his congregation poorly, his preaching is lately dark and negative, and I people many times feeling cut down rather than lifted up. He hit us again with the "legalistic list" remark Sunday, carelessly not bothering to differentiate between what might be convictions that one holds (which I might have on a list), and legalism. There is a huge difference between convictions of what we do and don't do, and what he calls "legalist lists". To not explain this with clear examples that we can all understand but just hammer "legalistic lists" is quite dangerous, especially to parents who are trying to build character in their kids and helping their kids develop Christian convictions. Many teenagers here him hammering "legalistic lists", and with no explanation or examples from Mac they are thinking "yeah, my dad has a legalistic list of not drinking, taking me to church t3 days a week, 10% tithing, no profanity in the house, I have to get a hair cut, no tatoos, etc." Thank kind of careless preaching is SO disappointing and it does not help parents. I have a post with some audio clips that I'll put up very soon to make these points.<BR/><BR/>Also, as time permits I'm working on a series of posts here discussing Mac Brunson's book "A Pastor's Guidebook" and some of the recommendations he makes to other pastors that he violated himself here in Jacksonville. Stay tuned, you'll find these extremely interesting.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53721122791536045682008-05-20T21:50:00.000-04:002008-05-20T21:50:00.000-04:00This isn't a slam, but a sincere question - what i...This isn't a slam, but a sincere question - what is wrong with the purpose driven concept? I had not heard of it before now. I recently left FBC after 25+ years. I read the link and can say that the church I'm now attending matches most of the description of purpose driven. But - I love my new church! I look forward to Sunday's and that wasn't true for me for a long time at FBC. I leave church feeling good - and challenged - at the same time. Feeling good because I feel like I "experienced" God, and challenged to be a better Christian. And challenged in a way that is not guilt ridden but an honest desire. Although my new church is very casual dress, no hymnals, a Baptist church but Baptist is not in the name, praise music - many of the characteristics as those listed as purpose driven - but I don't see them as bad - more neutral - just different.<BR/><BR/>I'm probably not asking my question well but it is a sincere question that I am curious to hear the response to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com