tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post1542282105074386453..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Invasion of the Prosperity Gospel in Evangelical Churches: Right Here at Celebration Church in JacksonvilleFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58979702108618109182017-02-16T02:08:22.038-05:002017-02-16T02:08:22.038-05:00Old Jewish law directed a tenth of the harvest. Je...Old Jewish law directed a tenth of the harvest. Jewish law. This was for upkeep of the temple and charitabe commitments.<br /><br />After public funding via taxes for Christian churches ended, they scrambled to come up with ways to stay funded.<br /><br />Enter the tithe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53307146132303634972015-11-23T17:24:10.564-05:002015-11-23T17:24:10.564-05:00Stovie lives in The Yacht and Country Club - Queen...Stovie lives in The Yacht and Country Club - Queens Harbor in Jax., FL and do not file homestead exemption, so there is another home as well. This country club home was bought for $934,000 in 2011 with HOA fees in the thousands. <br />Re# 167-127-1310 @ coj.net/propertyappraiserconfirms this fact.<br /><br />Greed or Blessing? Bless in Greek means " to be happy or blissful - self contained bliss. Bless is a spiritual word. Greed is a selfish and excessive desire for more of something than is needed at the expense of others (wanting more than ones share). It is evil desire to have more. Covetoys,avarice, rapacity... on and on.<br /><br />This one of the seven deadly sins is alive, well and thriving at Celebration, et al.<br /><br />"Pure religion that is undefiled before God and The Father is this: " 1) To visit the fatherless and the widows in their affliction (suffering), and 2) to keep our hearts unspotted from the world."<br /><br />A pure heart - following and doing exactly as Jesus did... not looking for every loophole that satan would point out.<br /><br />Celebration Policy for helping the poor is "ONE TIME" Per "LIFETIME".<br /><br />Father forgive him and those whom follow him, for they know not what that do. Thank you for revealing that those whom follow you must choose to either "Serve God or Money".<br /><br />In Jesus' name<br />AmenVickiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03804024596750107476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25350641906179974452015-11-19T13:23:54.003-05:002015-11-19T13:23:54.003-05:00I challenge you to look at the outreach Celebratio...I challenge you to look at the outreach Celebration church has accomplished and lives they have changed - then ask the members of those church that gave their money if they would have had it spent any other way. You would hear a resounding NO. Who exactly are you being a 'watchdog' for? I can tell you the member of Celebration church live better, happier lives with Pastor Stovall Weems and his church as part of their lives. If not for you, so be it ... you aren't handing over your money so why 'judge'? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54899342911809785062014-09-11T22:56:00.611-04:002014-09-11T22:56:00.611-04:00Thank you! This makes me even more glad that I do ...Thank you! This makes me even more glad that I do not attend that poor excuse of that church anymore. Now I used to attend in 2007 to 2009 (made one visit each in 2010 & 2013 to look up old friends) which was more tolerable at the time. <br /><br />Sadly though, I did notice that the sermons did evolve into motivational speeches. Ironically enough, quite a few of my friends departed from that "church".<br /><br />The last time I visited that "church" was in 2013 and the only think that kept me from walking out of that motivational speech (uh I mean sermon) was looking up a few friends later. Besides that church seems more like a museum and no personality even.ejrundthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07639537889613462975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16929070799614719862013-09-21T13:47:08.645-04:002013-09-21T13:47:08.645-04:00My experience with Baptist/evangelical theology ca...My experience with Baptist/evangelical theology can best be described as a wild Roller Coaster ride: a lot of great psychological, emotional, and spiritual highs and a lot of deep psychological, emotional, and spiritual lows. Why?<br /><br />In Baptist theology, your Justification and your Sanctification---your essence as a follower of Christ...if you boil it all down...is really dependent on you and your feelings. <br /><br />Do I feel saved? Do I feel I really repented in my born again experience? Do I feel that I truly had faith when I made a decision for Christ; when I prayed a version of the Sinner's Prayer? If I am really saved, why do I feel at times that my faith is so weak? Maybe I need to do the born again experience again; maybe I need to pray the Sinner's Prayer again, just to be 100% sure that I am saved. I want to know without any doubt that I am saved, and if I do not feel saved, I begin to doubt my salvation.<br /><br />Baptist/evangelical theology tells me that I will always feel Christ's presence and strength inside me, if I am a true believer. But what if I don't feel him there sometimes? If it is true that I should always be able to hear God speak to me, in an inner voice or feel his inner presence move me/lead me to do his will, what is going on when I don't hear anything or feel anything? Have I committed some unknown sin and he is refusing to hear me? Or is the reason that I don't hear or feel him present within me... is because I'm not really saved!<br /><br />I was so incredibly happy to find orthodox (confessional) Lutheranism and find out that my feelings have nothing to do with my Justification, my salvation, nor with my Sanctification, my walk with my Savior and Lord! My salvation was accomplished 100% by God.<br /><br />http://www.lutherwasnotbornagain.com/2013/09/tired-of-baptistevangelical-roller.html<br /><br /><br /><br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02519721717265344702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2450836147761206012013-09-13T15:59:27.703-04:002013-09-13T15:59:27.703-04:00Do other religions get their money this way?Do other religions get their money this way?Lynn123https://www.blogger.com/profile/01426227484490351671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11270708926490175622013-09-13T15:58:39.555-04:002013-09-13T15:58:39.555-04:00Do Mormons, Jews, and Catholics stand up there and...Do Mormons, Jews, and Catholics stand up there and beg people to give money? Lynn123https://www.blogger.com/profile/01426227484490351671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9886581284513491822013-09-13T15:55:57.757-04:002013-09-13T15:55:57.757-04:00If I understand correctly, the Mormons do this dif...If I understand correctly, the Mormons do this differently and so do the Jews. With them, it's more like you are expected to pay your dues and you pay them. I'm assuming that eliminates leaders getting up there like carnies trying to get you to buy something, like salesmen. It's embarrassing really that Protestant churches make emotional speeches to try to guilt you into paying your dues. Why don't Protestant churches have a much more dignified system? I don't know how Catholics handle the money issue, but I think their way is probably more cut and dried also.<br /><br />Doesn't any institution have rules? If you don't pay the tuition, the school kicks you out, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86626780612980913862013-09-10T11:19:25.483-04:002013-09-10T11:19:25.483-04:00To anonymous
3 last week.
why?
To anonymous <br /><br />3 last week.<br /><br /><br />why?<br /><br />pogWo4lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12826456804394040833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61580923180375440082013-09-10T11:15:21.402-04:002013-09-10T11:15:21.402-04:00This week about 3 people....why?
This week about 3 people....why?<br />pogWo4lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12826456804394040833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54983219580366829892013-09-09T10:21:32.797-04:002013-09-09T10:21:32.797-04:00you will know a tree by its fruit. It's reall...you will know a tree by its fruit. It's really not rocket science. False teachers are easy to spot when you hold them to God's Word. The problem is that pew sitters don't know their Bibles thus the reason this nonsense continues to exists.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03471274594367277653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81958021484144187222013-09-09T08:43:28.178-04:002013-09-09T08:43:28.178-04:00anon 12:09 you are correct. The Bible never teache...anon 12:09 you are correct. The Bible never teaches tithing in the NT. God only required it of the Jews and then that was done away by His Cross.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20816214850680197902013-09-09T00:09:35.145-04:002013-09-09T00:09:35.145-04:00After studying this issue for last seven years whe...After studying this issue for last seven years when confronted by Russell Kelly that I was wrong, it drove me to study the Torah more intently about this and about what is expected to lay at the feet of elders. First of all, Paul never reiterates this principle to churches themselves and actually there are those who still tithe to the Temple (Acts chapter 5,21, and 25 support this). So this is actually a perverting the Scriptures to the assemblies themselves. Second, of all, Paul says to Timothy for those who have widows to take care of them first, before giving and this would not be New Law by Paul either. One reason why is that most often a Jewish famer had harvest sent to market in separate place from food for his family. That food to market would be tithed. If you take Malachi 3 and the Torah requirements very literally it cannot be applied as a commandment to the local church nor should it be taught "a blessing" if you are shirking your responsibilities in your family. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for such teaching (Matthew 14). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49151312873235763642013-09-09T00:08:37.816-04:002013-09-09T00:08:37.816-04:00After studying this issue for last seven years whe...After studying this issue for last seven years when confronted by Russell Kelly that I was wrong, it drove me to study the Torah more intently about this and about what is expected to lay at the feet of elders. First of all, Paul never reiterates this principle to churches themselves and actually there are those who still tithe to the Temple (Acts chapter 5,21, and 25 support this). So this is actually a perverting the Scriptures to the assemblies themselves. Second, of all, Paul says to Timothy for those who have widows to take care of them first, before giving and this would not be New Law by Paul either. One reason why is that most often a Jewish famer had harvest sent to market in separate place from food for his family. That food to market would be tithed. If you take Malachi 3 and the Torah requirements very literally it cannot be applied as a commandment to the local church nor should it be taught "a blessing" if you are shirking your responsibilities in your family. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for such teaching (Matthew 14). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86847550757917176672013-09-07T08:41:33.461-04:002013-09-07T08:41:33.461-04:00This is an interesting infographic about mega chur...This is an interesting infographic about mega churches.<br />http://www.onlinechristiancolleges.com/megachurches/<br />Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45779584474740582992013-09-07T08:35:21.890-04:002013-09-07T08:35:21.890-04:00Ed Young didn't buy his previous million-dolla...Ed Young didn't buy his previous million-dollar lake-side house, the church did, so him saying he gave all the money to the church is a bit misleading and self-serving. The church also bought his new home. <br /><br />When he says he doesn't make a million dollars a year "pastoring" Fellowship Church, don't believe him. He's playing mental gymnastics to justify his not being truthful. The church pays over $40,000 per year just in taxes on his crib.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18117765837225459682013-09-07T01:37:34.986-04:002013-09-07T01:37:34.986-04:00"If Robert Morris were selling a product on T..."If Robert Morris were selling a product on TV, he probably could be sued by the Federal Trade Commission for false advertising."<br /><br />LOL!! Only funny because it's so true. And yet not funny, as well.<br /><br />I would LOVE to know how much money that church wasted on that ghastly "musical." But - there is no accountability. If churches are going to behave like government agencies and be funded by them visa-vis tax-free status, we should be able to file FOI requests on them and get info on how they waste their, excuse me, their congregation's money.<br /><br />You won't hear any of these money grabbers speaking out against the impending war in Syria. They only think of THEMSELVES and paying no taxes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89533842593297997862013-09-06T16:36:36.781-04:002013-09-06T16:36:36.781-04:00Carry over from last blog (same topic)...
PogWo4li...Carry over from last blog (same topic)...<br />PogWo4life... I got a question. Dog got up in it on your church so you just yell back nonsense? Slow down, breath and answer one simple question so we all know where you and yours are coming from. THIS WEEK how many people did you share Jesus (not invite to church) JESUS with?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89852640765985188232013-09-06T16:16:37.473-04:002013-09-06T16:16:37.473-04:00Dog, If i read you right over the years you do agr...Dog, If i read you right over the years you do agree w/ the basic principle of God requiring a "tithe" but really it is just a regularly performed small "sacrifice/token" in order to say Thank You for how you Have (past/present/future) blessed me. No Expectations. Just worshipful gratitude! Just look today- even the "homeless person" fares better than some 3rd world countries.<br />Whats Sick is this "greasing the skid / primeing the pump" teaching like we obligate God Almighty to anything. <br />The church we recently joined after leaving a "biggy" has a pastor who preaches straight up gratitude and thankfulness. "Now go and tell others..." It is amazing how it attracts familys, encourages dads, comforts wives, and causes kids to Want to be involve. We just keep growing (2 services) and now have to ask folks to consider attending the early service to "make room". All in Celebrations "backyard". KEEP THE LIGHTS AND SHOW We'll keep JESUS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63411349327832192482013-09-06T15:21:01.954-04:002013-09-06T15:21:01.954-04:00This is not about tithing. This is about religion...This is not about tithing. This is about religion being FALSE. Period. This is proof of it. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54892644125645430982013-09-06T13:51:57.418-04:002013-09-06T13:51:57.418-04:00Dog! We are in the wrong business! Just checked ...Dog! We are in the wrong business! Just checked out Roberts newest house. He is moving right on up:<br /><br />http://www.tad.org/datasearch/re.cfm?Account=%28%2F%210LJ%2D02KPP%20<br /><br />Heard Ed Young sold his house and gave all the money to FC. Looks like he had enough leftover to buy this nice property.<br /><br />http://www.dallascad.org/AcctDetailRes.aspx?ID=00000352312000000<br /><br />Both of them are a really nice size!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76078232806860350522013-09-06T11:38:28.106-04:002013-09-06T11:38:28.106-04:00These modern day "churches" have little ...These modern day "churches" have little resemblance to the early church. <br />Once the preacher gets bit by the tithing bug, that's all he can see...and preach...green. It infects the entire congregation.<br />I always say, the only ones who prosper from tithing are the preachers and their families. It's a giant pyramid scheme and those at the bottom are made to feel guilty if they don't buy into the system.Marknoreply@blogger.com