tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post2227141730442288106..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: My Favorite Ergun Caner Story: Preachin' in NC Drunk on Moonshine!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51251842208469787362010-11-01T23:03:24.553-04:002010-11-01T23:03:24.553-04:00Matt - thanks for posting here. I can't confir...Matt - thanks for posting here. I can't confirm you are who you say, but if you are indeed Ergun's bro in law and Braxton's son, I'm sorry that Caner has been lying about your dad. He has told this story numerous times throughout the U.S., and it is about the same version each time. He says your dad gave him moonshine and he didn't know any better, and drank it all and got in the pulpit drunk.<br /><br />Feel free to contact me via email from my profile to confirm your identity, and I'll be willing to make a special post to let everyone know that it is not true.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81082905625713532692010-11-01T22:55:38.827-04:002010-11-01T22:55:38.827-04:00My father does not drink, was not a deacon or chai...My father does not drink, was not a deacon or chairman of deacons and <b>DID NOT</b> give Ergun Caner moonshine!!Matt Morrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71655697479084652132010-10-17T07:53:29.298-04:002010-10-17T07:53:29.298-04:00While I can not speak for being drunk or buzzed be...While I can not speak for being drunk or buzzed behind the pulpit or "<i>to be the man, you got to beat the man</i>", I would like to clear up some things about Braxton Morris<br /><br />Braxton is his father in law and did attend Wood Baptist Church while Ergun was on staff. Braxton was not a deacon nor the chairman of deacons. He was simply a member of the church. He did not own a truck and he <b>DID NOT</b> carry around or drink moonshine or offer moonshine to Ergun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-330773111449033872010-08-07T23:04:58.793-04:002010-08-07T23:04:58.793-04:00Are you checking this stuff for authenticity?Are you checking this stuff for authenticity?sttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62093323268444889022010-08-06T11:11:05.425-04:002010-08-06T11:11:05.425-04:00The request for more information from Kregel was a...The request for more information from Kregel was a good thing. However, the response raised more questions for me than it answered. The comment I left on Magestatic's blog follows:<br /><br />"I would expect that the request for clarification was made quite some time ago. Possibly a month ago since their press release is dated July 6. Of course, if the request for clarification was made by that time, their press release is a lie--so it must have been made later. Do you think that the clarifications will be made public?<br /><br />But what it amounts to is that Kregel did not check the documentation of EC's statements that was available--or if they did, they ignored it.<br /><br />When you read the e-mail and the press release at the same time and then think of all the information about EC's lives that is available, this becomes simply one more footnote in the disgusting story. One more "person" (the publishing company management) who decided to believe what people say rather than checking the documentation." <br /><br />I don't fault Kregel for accepting the original story--we (almost) all did. But when there is questioning of the story, the bar should be raised several feet--and cleared--before you support the story that is being doubted.Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58388852255857395702010-08-05T21:00:22.318-04:002010-08-05T21:00:22.318-04:00I missed this link in June :-(
Wm. Dwight McKissi...I missed this link in June :-(<br /><br /><a href="http://dwightmckissic.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/why-a-resolution-to-the-sbc-on-affirming-and-apologizing-to-women-2/" rel="nofollow">Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr. > Why A Resolution to the SBC on Affirming and Apologizing to Women?</a>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80149662587317756282010-08-05T19:36:00.109-04:002010-08-05T19:36:00.109-04:00Majestatic > Kregel ask Dr Caner to resolve dis...<a href="http://majestatic.blogspot.com/2010/08/kregel-respond-to-email.html" rel="nofollow">Majestatic > Kregel ask Dr Caner to resolve discrepancies</a>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22241242522460687402010-08-05T17:56:18.124-04:002010-08-05T17:56:18.124-04:00Anon 3:14pm. I can only suggest that in our genera...Anon 3:14pm. I can only suggest that in our generation that "there must first be a falling away". It will only get worse and worse whether it be the church or any of our other institutions. Come quickly Lord Jesus should be our daily prayer as He is the only one who can deliver us from this madness!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16974757718588659282010-08-05T15:46:43.538-04:002010-08-05T15:46:43.538-04:00They want to 'do' religion. but Christiani...<i>They want to 'do' religion. but Christianity is all about <b>"Being" in Christ</b>.</i><br /><br />Amen.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8527326299742581342010-08-05T15:14:59.961-04:002010-08-05T15:14:59.961-04:00Has anyone noticed that church attendance is dwind...Has anyone noticed that church attendance is dwindling? I heard that attendance in Europe is 2% which means 98% no longer go to church!!!!I assume like a lot of us who have left the so called church (buildings) that most people are no longer interested in having "their ears tickled".<br /><br />August 5, 2010 2:43 PM<br /><br />In Europe, the church was married to the state. CAthedrals were the first mega churches.<br /><br />But don't let the numbers fool you. many are leaving the "institution" but are stilln believers and meet with other believers in a much more informal way.<br /><br />A book was even written about it by a religion reporter called Quitting Church. What she found is that is was not nominal Christians who were leaving the institution but the serious ones.<br /><br />More and more churches are opting for the fancy shows and entertainment to bring them in. I do not expect that to stop. Christianity is being marketed as an easy life. <br /><br />But also consider that Islam and Mormonism are growing. People are also attracted to the rules and roles systems. They want to 'do' religion. but Christianity is all about "Being" in Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34549678575782811952010-08-05T14:43:04.282-04:002010-08-05T14:43:04.282-04:00Has anyone noticed that church attendance is dwind...Has anyone noticed that church attendance is dwindling? I heard that attendance in Europe is 2% which means 98% no longer go to church!!!!I assume like a lot of us who have left the so called church (buildings) that most people are no longer interested in having "their ears tickled".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63684363793657533302010-08-05T10:14:11.481-04:002010-08-05T10:14:11.481-04:00"I just got frustrated because it seems Caner..."I just got frustrated because it seems Caner is all we're focusing on."<br /><br />Caner hopes we follow your advice. That is why he paid to have reputation management and have google searches bring up good stuff on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72336250059664931892010-08-05T09:50:28.286-04:002010-08-05T09:50:28.286-04:00I didn't listen to the video clip. Do you all...I didn't listen to the video clip. Do you all ever wonder why Caner's show played so well to southern baptists? He seemed to me to be playing to every racial and derogatory stereotype there was to play to. It speaks about his character, but it also speaks volumes about the people who he was speaking to, that they made that kind of speaker someone who was promoted<br />He's a storyteller, pure and simple. He should have used that gift to write fiction or something. <br />I still say, all the people around him knew. They can all keep trying to pass off they didn't know he was storytelling aka LYING but they all knew it, come on. <br />The only word that I can think of is mockery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84979359224296855402010-08-05T07:51:50.524-04:002010-08-05T07:51:50.524-04:00Pastor Wylie,
As long as Ergun Caner is a teachin...Pastor Wylie,<br /><br />As long as Ergun Caner is a teaching professor at Liberty University and stands in the pulpit speaking to the young adults the subject deserves to be openly discussed.<br /><br />A lying accountant handling their employers money is always fired - my expectations of you pastors is the same. Lying on the sacred pulpit calls for dismissal. Caner needs to seek another type of employment - get out of the ministry period and work in the secular world. Lay people use their witnessing skills every day to reach people.<br /><br />The very reason "Churches Are Dying" is because of people like the author himself - Ergun Caner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11006221857782835942010-08-04T15:12:55.572-04:002010-08-04T15:12:55.572-04:00I've been in the same small country wonderful ...I've been in the same small country wonderful church for going on 11 years. I love the people I pastor and they love me. This has nothing to do with my "career", if I was worried about that I would've left a long time ago. I'm not afraid of the big wigs in the convention, our church is not even in the convention. When I make a criticism it has nothing to do with impressing anyone, or being mad because watchdog is exposing someone. <br /><br />I'm not defending Mr. Caner's actions which I clearly said he should be held accountable. My point was that there are other areas that Watchdog might need to focus on. I just got frustrated because it seems Caner is all we're focusing on.John Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84240124529552766952010-08-04T14:51:31.537-04:002010-08-04T14:51:31.537-04:00Oops, I didn't give you a way to reply to my c...Oops, I didn't give you a way to reply to my comment regarding Christopher Hitchens. My email is facedecaf@gmail.com. ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40807410140831208502010-08-04T14:49:37.879-04:002010-08-04T14:49:37.879-04:00I apologize for commenting here but I don't kn...I apologize for commenting here but I don't know how to get your opinion on an unrelated topic. For some reason, after sending an email to a public figure, I wondered what your opinion of my email might be. So, would you indulge me your opinion? I sent this email to Christopher Hitchens after reading his article at http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2010/09/hitchens-201009. Here is my email: <br />Dear Christopher,<br /><br />I just read your writing titled Topic of Cancer at VanityFair.com. Your mention of prayer groups "on the side of my continued life" gave me pause to pray for you myself. So, I paused and prayed that God would once again show you himself and what He has done for you. He has given you the option to spend eternity with Him rather than without Him. Why do I care for you enough to write you? It is not to win any argument. Rather, it is because having chose this option for myself I am compelled to desire it for everyone in hopes they don't spend eternity without Him. So, did I also pray for your "continued life"? Yes I did, though I hope you can see the higher importance of the former.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12975193089505067972010-08-04T13:09:01.005-04:002010-08-04T13:09:01.005-04:00The other context about this moonshine story is th...The other context about this moonshine story is that to the Ohio Free Willers Caner talked about asking his father in law for his daughter's hand in marriage and that is FIL was wary of the "towel head" showing up with a "unibrow" to date his daughter.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6536239511208914152010-08-04T13:00:00.624-04:002010-08-04T13:00:00.624-04:00Anon 12:49
I think the Caner story only makes sen...Anon 12:49<br /><br />I think the Caner story only makes sense in the context of his sermon and his talks to this particular audience.<br /><br />This story comes out of a series of 4 sermons he preached to the Ohio Free Will Baptist men at their men's retreat, which I believe was Feb 2009. These sermons have since been taken down by the Free Willers from their site. These sermons were provided to the Liberty investigative team during the month of June at their request and were likely listened to by the very men who decided to demote Caner.<br /><br />At this retreat, Caner did a masterful job of painting himself as a Muslim raised in Europe, a towel-head, etc. etc. He really laid it on thick for these guys. I blogged about it several months ago. Classic Caner lies and embellishments.<br /><br />It is in that context that if he came here as a 17 year old from Turkey or Beirut or Europe (I forget which the story was he gave the Ohio Free Willies) that it might make sense that he was naive and innocent, and thought he was drinking cough syrup. <br /><br />Obviously any grown man in the states knows what alcohol is, they know what pure grain ethanol is (moonshine), and would not be fooled as a preacher into drinking a glass of moonshine.<br /><br />But maybe he didn't know any better, because Peter Lumpkins hadn't published his book on absitnence yet. :)<br /><br />The truth is perhaps he did take a few teaspoons of liquor to help him with his cough. But to down the whole thing, then get up in the pulpit drunk with no rememberence except his wife saying he yelled "To be the man you gotta beat the man"....I mean how gullible did he take these Ohio Free Willers to be?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29524890593900391442010-08-04T12:49:39.497-04:002010-08-04T12:49:39.497-04:00If this really happened (Caner story) it is almost...If this really happened (Caner story) it is almost blasphemous. The genuinely called preachers of times now gone would have kicked him out the door. Now it is regarded as humorous. How far we have come from the Word. Is there anything at all funny about ANOTHER drinking deacon. And legitimate members are tossed out because they "upset", ask questions of, or challenge a preacher. Preacher save thyself!!!! Why do people continue to make millionaires of these people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84395682820848634082010-08-04T12:16:57.260-04:002010-08-04T12:16:57.260-04:00"I am wondering...has ANY "leadership&qu..."I am wondering...has ANY "leadership" at FBC Jax, or currently in the SBC agencies or committees, or even his former long-time pastor Jerry Vines, even bothered to call or email Tom and tell him they love him, forgive him (if they believe what he is doing is wrong or have been offended themselves), and that they are praying for him?<br />"<br /><br />Excellent point! Yet they continually insist LEADERS be forgiven and rebuke folks for daring to point out the lies and bad behavior of the LEADERS.<br /><br />Sounds like a club to me. or they think they have a special anointing that makes their sins understandable. or perhaps they just redefine sin for themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81735725507540804852010-08-04T11:10:50.955-04:002010-08-04T11:10:50.955-04:00Don't look for these guys to apologize for any...Don't look for these guys to apologize for anything. They are above that. In their eyes they are exalted, therefore, they do no wrong. They destroy a members service of many years, the members reputation in the church, indeed force the member out by degrees. In Mr. Richs case, by a trespass warning. I wonder how many people have really been injured by arrogant preachers. I am disgusted with churches of today and those that lead them. I have sat by these people for years, heard the same sermons they have, and I continue to marvel at what I heard that they did not. How do these agents of self righteouness live with themselves in truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34067945366178712122010-08-04T11:07:07.931-04:002010-08-04T11:07:07.931-04:00Watchdog,
Thanks for the clarification - your righ...Watchdog,<br />Thanks for the clarification - your right, but it did happen, the Deacon did do the deed and one of the boys is still undergoing therapy for treatment. Very sad for all involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53904353168868131932010-08-04T10:58:09.149-04:002010-08-04T10:58:09.149-04:00Anon - just to clarify, the "deacon" you...Anon - just to clarify, the "deacon" you are referring to did not molest any of his Sunday School boys, it was something that happened away from church and did not involve boys from the church. Just wanted to clarify that.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13450590186833495772010-08-04T10:48:08.497-04:002010-08-04T10:48:08.497-04:00"I wonder if there has been any such person w..."I wonder if there has been any such person who has shown any such grace to Mr. Rich and his family. Sadly, I think I know the answer and it tells us all alot about the hyprocrisy of those we listen to each week and those who are in postion of leadership at FBC Jax and the SBC."<br /><br />August 4, 2010 9:27 AM<br /><br />==============================<br />The truth folks is that when one stops going to FBCJ no one bothers to call to say they've missed you, are you okay, has something happened - this is really an "insider" church. <br /><br />What they don't forget to do is send you your monthly tithing envelopes even though you've been gone for two years. They are faithful with mailing with request for monies. <br /><br />The deacon (under Vines) that molested his Sunday School boys was repeatedly showered with requests for prayer for him and his family, but then he was one of the good old boys "Country Club" members.<br /><br />Then comes bully Mac who preaches Love, kindness, Compassion to the TV, Radio & church audience - his Cheerleaders all come from the same batch - those who work for him, his deacons and the preachers in SBC. <br /><br />Yes, you and I both know the answer to your question as Brunson is nothing but a Bully Spoiled Preacher who knows nothing about the Grace that he preaches - they didn't ban the Deacons's wife from coming on property but they did Mrs. Rich.<br /><br />Unbelievable comparison!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com