tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post2412696777000179625..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Fork it Over!FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76540990533532215952009-08-24T19:39:24.693-04:002009-08-24T19:39:24.693-04:00When is the last time you heard a sermon on this?
...When is the last time you heard a sermon on this?<br /><br />1 Cor 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.<br />KJVRussell Earl Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08503861082402192378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82365077884213445482009-08-24T16:52:45.216-04:002009-08-24T16:52:45.216-04:00Anon: aug24 12:15
"Maybe some to the ridiculo...Anon: aug24 12:15<br />"Maybe some to the ridiculous "tax breaks" pastors get will be withdrawn"<br /><br />IF you look at them it is not really that far fetch and not that helpful in some aspect is your salary is low. It is helpful for the person making high amounts. Which are the pastors you are talking about. On my write offs I only save $15 on every $100 above my standard deduction. I have to be able to itemize 5500 before I can start saving 15 bucks on every 100. IF you had the extra to spend it is good. Or if you are able to designate and do expense accounts for education other things its good. But for the average pastor it can become a burden especially if the Parsonage has a high marked value and the pay is not that high. But you talking about the big dogs. I understand what you are saying. We are quick to point to them but the churches are a lot of blame. It is the standard they set. Well, we are FBC SO and SO. Our pastor must have this degree, this standing, drive this kind of vehicle, live in this kind of neighborhood. I even run into this in my small church. At the time I did not health insurance so I went to a charity clinic and that upset some of the members. Now if Mac Brunson would walked in wearing a cheap suit driving a beat up car, and said I am going to live in this trailer park what do you think the elders would of said. I hope they would of said more power to you. I know I would and you would. Churches are to blame just as much. It is not about serving God it is about keeping up with other mega church sometimes. We got to have this, so and so is doing this and we got to keep up and be on the edge to be effective. If someone offer me a high salary and God calls me, then by all means. But bottom line like you said if God called you there then you will be there when it is fruitful and stay when it is not even to the point saying well I can get by on this so lets drop my salary or lets suspend some of my expense accounts or maybe we are going to freeze some perks until we have an overflow. I believe a good way to get a sense if your church is moving in a healthy direction is see what percentage you are spending in certain areas. Several years back the church I am pastoring decided to tithe 10% plus 2 more % to the CP and we are never at a loss for what we need. If the church ask you to give 10 why not them. I am saying 10% outside of designated mission offerings.<br />Pastor ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63842067321559418892009-08-24T15:12:49.244-04:002009-08-24T15:12:49.244-04:00I am SO NOT a PLEBE.I am SO NOT a PLEBE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11096813767847945772009-08-24T14:24:29.152-04:002009-08-24T14:24:29.152-04:00nice work on the above post. You have a firm grasp...nice work on the above post. You have a firm grasp on the bottom line here and it was well written.<br /><br /><br />word verification: submt<br /><br />interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57688278776331018902009-08-24T13:27:10.280-04:002009-08-24T13:27:10.280-04:00For you truly called pastors that really do the wo...For you truly called pastors that really do the work of the Lord without all of the perks; you who are in the ministry to help people and to preach the gospel, my sincere thanks and prayers to you. <br /><br />August 24, 2009 12:16 PM<br /><br />Anon 12:16<br />Ditto to your well written comments . . .altho I am presently amongst the "mega" fellowship I became a believer under the ministry of a small church - I am today a product of what a struggling "small church" taught me in another state - there is absolutely "no difference" outside of the fact the mega church has more monies for programs & staff. The small churches teach the word the same way! <br /><br />The "Anon Pastor" who wrote somewhere on this blog that he lives on a $34,000.00 salary, the churches that have worn carpets, that are in need of paint, but yet choosing to tighten their belts even more during this economy crisis are truly the "Crown Jewels" of the church and the Mission Field here in the USA! <br /><br />Likewise my thanks to you! You are the dedicated ones that reached me to which I will be eternally grateful.<br /><br />These Mega pastors are not worth their paychecks or amenities given - they are "man called"! Ouch, here comes the critics!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86595011907976851432009-08-24T12:16:49.462-04:002009-08-24T12:16:49.462-04:00Does any one know if the church "forked it ov...Does any one know if the church "forked it over"? And How much? The fact that the federal deficit is going to be crippling in the near future, probably will lead to a huge tax increase. Crippling our current standard of living. It will not be at all suprising that some churches will be running a deficit also. If this is the case, I wonder if these mega guys will take a pay cut. Or will they sell off property and deplete assets of the church in order to keep up THEIR standard of living? It's supposed to be a "church" not a corporation. What will past pastors do when the church (any church) can't continue to pay them their "retirement" money? It will be interesting to see how they handle this matter of reduced "benefits" (lavish lifestyles, perks, paid for trips, and vacations disguised as mission trips, etc.) I guess many staff members will go before a family member, of course. You can bet (joke) that the buildings, parking lots, sidewalks will go before the mega pastors will take a pay cut.<br />I guess we will see who is actually called of God to preach the gospel. When it starts "costing" the preacher to preach, then we may see who the real preachers are. God never promised a preacher massive amounts of money and benefits for self and family, to preach the gospel. If one is truly called to preach, then one has no biblical choice but to obey God and preach, no matter what the financial renumeration. Guess this will be the test, for the real preachers. A type of separating the wheat from the tares, sort of thing. Maybe some to the ridiculous "tax breaks" pastors get will be withdrawn. Then we will see how pastors do when they are living like US. Watch for the constant "tithing messages" headed your way. I wonder if any MEGA preacher has had his home foreclosed on. Of course not, silly me. I am sure a "love offering" would be taken from the members who can't afford it, first.<br />In by-gone days, (really gone now), preachers were paid meagerly, accepting whatever the people could give them. Not that I am expecting preachers to be in poverty, but this lavish lifestyle, and massive salaries is ridiculous. But some are going to grab it while they can. In the past a preachers home was sometimes a refuge for the "down and out" or the hurting. Today you can't find them, they live in gated communities, so as not to be bothered. You can't get l5 minutes time with them at the church. They send out someone else who "handles" the problem, as they are too busy. And after all, that is what some staff is for isn't it? So they don't have to be bothered. Staff many times, just do the stuff the preacher doesn't want to do. Hospital preachers, visitation preachers, that's right no one is home so forget visitation. It is my opinion that some preachers think it "demeaning" to go to a house, maybe not so grand, to tell the lost occupant about Jesus. If the people want to hear about Jesus then they must watch the preacher on TV, or show up for the performance at the church. So exactly what is it a preacher is paid massive bucks for. Just to keep him on stage? I'll pass thank you.<br />For you truly called pastors that really do the work of the Lord without all of the perks; you who are in the ministry to help people and to preach the gospel, my sincere thanks and prayers to you. For the rest of you preachers who ARN'T truly called, Jesus died on the Cross that you may be saved also!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90498651733299947692009-08-24T11:14:17.825-04:002009-08-24T11:14:17.825-04:00The word "plebe", as I used it, means pe...The word "plebe", as I used it, means people thought to be of a lower or middle class, at least lower than the people who are in power. Its really not a derogatory term about those who might give, its just a word used to describe the "general population" of people, who are separate from the higher authorities.<br /><br />Face it, you and I are the "plebs"!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12255202407071784052009-08-24T11:04:32.615-04:002009-08-24T11:04:32.615-04:00I think that when you call people "plebe"...I think that when you call people "plebe" its an insult. That sounds like an ameoba or something. Or is that amoeba? You all act like everybody who gives to the special offering is an idiot. Howz come? Hey, I don't let my jealousy get the best of me...like yesterday when I'm pulling out of church and I see all the Lexuses and Lincolns out there and I'm riding around in my A/C less car with the bruise on the side...I just say...I am blessed to have this car that still runs..not "WHY OH WHY GOD CAN"T I HAVE THAT CAR RIGHT THER? WHY CAN"T I CRUISE THE DANUBE AND NOT HAVE TO TAKE A CANOE IN THE ST. JOHNS GREEN ABYSS TO FIND MY CARP DINNER? WHY DO I HAVE ON THIS WALMART SPECIAL?" NO...I am blessed with what I have and I won't let my jealousies stand in the way of that. I don't have to pay for all the rich peoples stuff, and I have all I need. I do not need a cruise with Egyptian combed sheets or even a egyptian comb for that matter. Don't be jealous, watchdog. Just be thankful for what you got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56818771934181723372009-08-24T10:06:28.582-04:002009-08-24T10:06:28.582-04:00Mr. Kelly,
I like you get most of my knowledge fro...Mr. Kelly,<br />I like you get most of my knowledge from study. I also spend many hours reading, absorbing, and thinking upon Gods word. There is no greater blessing. Thank you for using the KJV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63752626340787846622009-08-23T22:07:12.661-04:002009-08-23T22:07:12.661-04:00Lydia, you assume too much. way too much.
Someone...Lydia, you assume too much. way too much.<br /><br />Someone is leaving FBD for FBJ? No difference. FBD isn't thought of too well by many, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14167378826076688472009-08-23T20:43:34.038-04:002009-08-23T20:43:34.038-04:00Have they ever preached this sermon?
Acts 20:29 F...Have they ever preached this sermon?<br /><br />Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.<br /><br />30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.<br /><br />31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.<br /><br />32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.<br /><br />33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.<br /><br />34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.<br /><br />35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye [church elders] ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.<br />KJVRussell Earl Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08503861082402192378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65264516123127187322009-08-23T19:55:21.555-04:002009-08-23T19:55:21.555-04:00Just heard at FBC-Dallas this morning that Mac has...Just heard at FBC-Dallas this morning that Mac has convinced another of one of our staff to leave here and join the sinking ship in JAX. Maybe that is why he needed to take a "special" offering.Flashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86987211712881711122009-08-23T17:36:39.009-04:002009-08-23T17:36:39.009-04:00Lydia - You make valid points often BUT you are ve...Lydia - You make valid points often BUT you are very belligerant with people.<br /><br />I called you sweetie! Besides, if I were a man you would call it being direct. :o)<br /><br />(At least I think it was you...one of many anons)Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22876088075983169662009-08-23T16:09:54.653-04:002009-08-23T16:09:54.653-04:00Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we pr...Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to deceive--the theme song of all us anonymous bloggers on here.<br /><br />But then, we learned it from the master of blogging deception--the illustrious and now outed, Tom Rich.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31608293978352993672009-08-23T16:03:15.003-04:002009-08-23T16:03:15.003-04:00Lydia - You make valid points often BUT you are ve...Lydia - You make valid points often BUT you are very belligerant with people.<br /><br />Mr. Kelley - I enjoy your posts. Welcome to the Dog Pound. Hopefully you will stick around and be a regular contributorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56909103497758496232009-08-23T14:56:52.224-04:002009-08-23T14:56:52.224-04:00Perhaps if some of you "anons" would at ...Perhaps if some of you "anons" would at least use a unique screen name such confusion wouldn't arise.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86048991656470536262009-08-23T11:14:49.209-04:002009-08-23T11:14:49.209-04:00Lydia,
Please give me a break. I am NOT the same...Lydia,<br /><br />Please give me a break. I am NOT the same anon who asked about tithing. I just looked at Mr Kelley's website and saw that and was curious? That was my only question/remark.<br />Instead of giving advise as how to remove such information for Mr Kelly, you decided to attack me.<br />I apologize to you but I really don't understand why you made your previous assumption.<br />There are many anons on Tom's blog. Don't, please assume they are all the same person.<br />Thanks!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3832706437477932962009-08-22T23:34:42.546-04:002009-08-22T23:34:42.546-04:00"Why are you so eager to jump in for Mr Kelle..."Why are you so eager to jump in for Mr Kelley. As noted, he did speak for himself and I now understand. To start calling me a hater with no other information is difficult to understand. <br />Are you the watchdog's watchdog?"<br /><br />Sweetie, your original question is below: <br /><br />"Why does a Christian like you list your Zodiac sign and astrology information on your blog page?"<br /><br />Since you could not attack his viewpoint on the topic of tithing, you went for the personal to try and discredit him. And now you are trying to recover. It was petty and hateful. <br /><br />And Tom can tell me to stop. Not you. I think he is real nice allowing you to post here. He certainly does not have to put up with all the insults from his detractors. But he does.Lydiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367390474045060624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19984387928997962542009-08-22T21:10:19.430-04:002009-08-22T21:10:19.430-04:008:40,
I don't think you're a hater. I th...8:40,<br /><br />I don't think you're a hater. I think you're a garden-variety troll. Are you in 6th grade or 7th grade this year? Or do you just hang out with 6th graders a lot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-92094172858266618642009-08-22T20:40:42.888-04:002009-08-22T20:40:42.888-04:00Hi Mr Kelley,
I hope you don't think I was a ...Hi Mr Kelley,<br /><br />I hope you don't think I was a hater when I asked that question. Lydia thinks I am but she does that to everyone she disagrees with. <br /><br />Can anyone offer advice as to how he can get this info removed. Afterall, Watchdog doesn't have it on his nor does Lydia.<br /><br /><br /><br />Love to all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62542275119303589542009-08-22T20:35:48.228-04:002009-08-22T20:35:48.228-04:00Dear Lydia,
Why are you so eager to jump in for M...Dear Lydia,<br /><br />Why are you so eager to jump in for Mr Kelley. As noted, he did speak for himself and I now understand. To start calling me a hater with no other information is difficult to understand. <br />Are you the watchdog's watchdog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61669186842732875892009-08-22T19:19:55.366-04:002009-08-22T19:19:55.366-04:00I think if Mac becomes SBC pres, I might leave!I think if Mac becomes SBC pres, I might leave!Elisabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14764962887542099106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54482197691270503082009-08-22T18:50:35.628-04:002009-08-22T18:50:35.628-04:00Yes, I am legally blind. And yes I completed my ed...Yes, I am legally blind. And yes I completed my education via distance learning. The books were standard Baptist seminary textbooks and each course required that hundreds of questions be answered. I use great magnification and probably read a book a week on church history or related subjects using a 5 power hand held magnifier. Like Rush Limbaugh, I get most of myu education from deep constant study.Russell Earl Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08503861082402192378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-540481943136500882009-08-22T18:42:45.337-04:002009-08-22T18:42:45.337-04:00I did not list that pagan info on Facebook. It is...I did not list that pagan info on Facebook. It is done automatically. I rarely even look at Facebook. My web site and Tithing-Study are checked daily.Russell Earl Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08503861082402192378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21854109511152132162009-08-22T09:39:14.583-04:002009-08-22T09:39:14.583-04:00And by the way, this is me (Anonymous postings at ...And by the way, this is me (Anonymous postings at 9:07 today, and at 7:09, 7:24 and 8:51 yesterday. I just outed myself!). I have an account here, but I rarely use it. I blog elsewhere. I have posted here before under this name, but lately I've just been too lazy to sign in.Johnny D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17141127764617679586noreply@blogger.com