tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post2559255688650696320..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Armor Bearers: Video Blogger Calls FBC Jax Watchdog Investigation "Church Mafia Tactics"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26898623585701660322011-06-28T01:59:47.096-04:002011-06-28T01:59:47.096-04:00I really appreciate it that you shared with us suc...I really appreciate it that you shared with us such an informative post. Technology is very important for every one. Your blog is very important for small businessman who works on audiovisual services. Thanks for sharing this.noleggio audiohttp://www.oltrelogo.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5710370400720793292011-03-19T07:02:20.591-04:002011-03-19T07:02:20.591-04:00What did I miss? A Watchdog investigation? When wa...What did I miss? A Watchdog investigation? When was that conducted? Where can I find it? All I ever read was a bunch of theories backed by loose facts and what I concluded that there was "no there there." I will stay tuned.<br /><br />March 13, 2011 9:01 AM<br /><br />I always crack up at this. Give them a video with the person saying the words and they will call it "loose facts" with no "there there". Tom has been diligent in using the actual words of the charlatans. It is one thing I really give him credit for. <br /><br />The problem is you never stopped the analyze the words of your idols biblically. You let them do your thinking for you.<br /><br />Amazing what folks will fall for. I think it has to do with embarassment for following a charlatan. They don't want to admit they were fleeced and that ignorant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2041392583437748382011-03-13T09:01:03.960-04:002011-03-13T09:01:03.960-04:00What did I miss? A Watchdog investigation? When ...What did I miss? A Watchdog investigation? When was that conducted? Where can I find it? All I ever read was a bunch of theories backed by loose facts and what I concluded that there was "no there there." I will stay tuned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19286472809100170332011-03-11T09:13:28.954-05:002011-03-11T09:13:28.954-05:00TP - one of the depos my wife and I sat through ma...TP - one of the depos my wife and I sat through made it very clear the level of hatred that FBC Jax had toward me, and a certain person still has for me. So as fantastic as your story sounds, I do believe you.<br /><br />And if anyone wonders what lengths that the followers of a powerful mega church pastor will go to in defending their pastor from critics, just go read the pajamapages blog site that is linked in my favorites. There is a lawsuit right now in the middle of discovery concerning the actions of that pastor and his followers.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88694369493232902072011-03-11T08:57:15.431-05:002011-03-11T08:57:15.431-05:00Wade, thanks for your comments. They brought clari...Wade, thanks for your comments. They brought clarity to me so that now I know exactly what happened and how it happened.<br /><br />Folks, this incident happened in the end of August 2008. This incident involved people from Mac on down. All I will say is their flesh was more evident in their actions than of the Spirit.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14983586891368716102011-03-11T04:29:00.515-05:002011-03-11T04:29:00.515-05:00BBC: No, I don't remember saying that, could b...BBC: No, I don't remember saying that, could be because I'm not one to hold grudges....and I believed in what you were doing on your blog at the time.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41312273102270123802011-03-11T01:52:28.824-05:002011-03-11T01:52:28.824-05:00Debbie,
I was merely responding to your words. Y...Debbie,<br /><br />I was merely responding to your words. Your account of the facts was off, and I was trying to set the record straight. You said a long time ago that you weren't going to address me again, so I suggest you refresh your memory. I'm not your enemy either, but I don't respond kindly to threats, especially empty ones. Chill, please. Your 12:25 comment was accurate.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34842905670720244632011-03-11T01:24:22.791-05:002011-03-11T01:24:22.791-05:00BBC: I read Tom's account and I admit some of ...BBC: I read Tom's account and I admit some of my facts were skewed.It has been awhile but I followed it closely at the time. The point was the subpoenas. And the poor explanation for those subpoenas. Also if I remember correctly, Tiffany's blog was ordered closed for a time. Then it was rescinded. I also followed Tiffany quite close at the time.<br /><br /> BTW, I am not your enemy so cool your heels. <br /><br /><br />As for your remark concerning the 90's, read my comment again. I said clearly Darrell Gilyard preached at FBCJax in the 90's. If you are going to correct me, go by what I actually said. Tom and I have been friends for awhile now, so put your gun down before I have to take it from you. And believe me I can. :)Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67143858927217021122011-03-11T01:20:55.947-05:002011-03-11T01:20:55.947-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13928265578205112792011-03-11T01:04:50.023-05:002011-03-11T01:04:50.023-05:00Tiffany Croft's blog was looked into by Hinson...<i>Tiffany Croft's blog was looked into by Hinson(the same man that found the identity of Watchdog) and shut her blog down. Darrell Gilyard preached regularly at FBCJax in the 90's. Why do you think that was? In fact this was at the same time they were finding out who Watchdog was.</i><br /><br />Say what? Tiffany's blog wasn't shut down by anyone. It's still up. She posted only once last year and so far only once this year, but it wasn't shut down. Since her blog was devoted to "stopping Darrell Gilyard" and since DG is now cooling his heels in prison, there's not much left to write now.<br /><br />They were finding out who WD is back in the '90s? Since this blog didn't begin until 2007, I don't see how that's possible.<br /><br />Tom's account of what Hinson stated is correct. It only made Hinson look like a bigger fool than he did before.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12701119232184750552011-03-11T00:55:15.883-05:002011-03-11T00:55:15.883-05:00NYTN - to support your theory, here is some intere...NYTN - to support your theory, here is some interesting information that is backed up by the detective's and the church administrator's testimony under oath in this case:<br /><br />When the detective got my identity, he went straight to the church administrator. Keep in mind, the detective is so intertwined in the workings of the church, as he is both a tithing member, a deacon, a discipline committee member, AND an employee...you can't get more intertwined in the workings of a church than he was...so he gives my name to the church administrator, and the church administrator told him to shut down the investigation, and so he did. He testified that he STILL had concerns about me being a threat of some kind, but that since FBC Jax said shut down the investigation he did. He didn't interview anybody, he just got my name, took it to the church administator who confimed I was not a threat, and then he shut down the investigation and destroyed the documentation to protect my privacy he says.<br /><br />Very interesting stuff.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5323372597480968112011-03-11T00:47:38.879-05:002011-03-11T00:47:38.879-05:00Debbie - Hinson never shut anyone's blog down....Debbie - Hinson never shut anyone's blog down. His testimony in his deposition was that he was investigating my blog, and since he didn't know who I was at the time, he subpoened two other blogs that were hyperlinked on my blog. There were many blogs hyperlinked on my blog (including Wade's), but for some reason he zeroed in on those two - Bellevue and Tiffany. <br /><br />But he also testified under oath that he subponeed Bellevue's blog because it looked similar in format (i.e. used the same Blogger template as mine). He also testifed that once he realized that it was a template and not necessarily associated with mine, then he realized he didn't need the subpoena but it was too late it had already been sent. Regarding Tiffany's, he says once he found out Tiffany's dad was Larry Thigpen who is a reserve police office and member at FBC Jax, he realized he didn't need that subpoena either, but he had already sent out the subpoena. <br /><br />So while he didn't shut anyone's blog down, in my view his explanation was embarrassing. He sent subpoenas on the three blogs that were most critical of the SBC powerstructure at the time (Brunson, Gaines, Vines, Patterson), and he didn't even bother to see that a subpoenas was NOT required on Tiffany's as she blogged under her name! It was a witch hunt in my view, plain and simple.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32303358282623348132011-03-11T00:47:17.901-05:002011-03-11T00:47:17.901-05:00Anonymous said:
● NYTN, Mac has a "private p...<b>Anonymous said</b>:<br /><br />● <i>NYTN, Mac has a "private police force"? Amazing! Please tell me who these guys are - - CIA? Ninjas? Secret Service? Barney and Andy? You've lost your mind NYTN! You throw out "facts" but you are factless!</i><br /><br />● <i>The fact of the matter is this blog produces nothing, except rotten fruit and a bad taste in the mouths of those watching and listening from the outside</i><br /><br /><b>My response is as follows:</b><br /><br />1) You are not God, Anonymous. So you are not in a position to make definitive judgments about what "fruit" or "taste" is being produced. In fact, it is precisely this kind of ARROGANCE that apparently rules the day at FBC Jax. That is to say, Mac Brunson and the deacon/trustee board are the ones to determine what ideas are worthy of consideration. It is "church leadership" that determines what is or is not permissible to say, do or think in relation to "The Lord's church". Amazing how you sound JUST like them.<br /><br />2) As for who Mac's "private police force" is, let me say this, Anonymous: <br /><br />● The reason you don't know what you're talking about is because you have your eyes closed. It is STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE for these big powerful pastors like Mac Brunson to have cops and ex-cops around them providing their security. I've seen them operate dozens of times, and I've personally been a victim of this kind of tactic used by a former pastor. <br /><br />● Now you can play crazy if you want to. But it is CLEAR that Mac Brunson ordered Detective Robert Hinson to discover FBCJAXWatchdog's identity. It is so clear that -- <b>as we say in the <i>Black community</i></b> -- <i>even Stevie Wonder can see that</i>. And if that's not enough, a PUBLIC deacon/trustee board meeting was held to enforce a "resolution" specifically targeting FBCJAXWatchdog. So Hinson and the deacons are indeed Brunson's "private police force", in so far as they act under his direct and indirect influence to undermine dissenters and silence opposition. In the words of Paul to Emperor Festus, "I am persuaded that none of these things escape [your] notice; for [all] this has not been done in a corner."<br /><br />Signed,<br /><br /><br />NYTNNYTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15787077208785930617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56533353238409375542011-03-11T00:25:17.937-05:002011-03-11T00:25:17.937-05:00By the way we will never know the reasons Hinson g...By the way we will never know the reasons Hinson gave to obtain the subpoenas presented to Google because they were destroyed after 90 days per the policy at the time. But it's no big deal. Mac isn't that bad. Mac isn't that powerful. :)Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26023916215890180682011-03-11T00:21:54.515-05:002011-03-11T00:21:54.515-05:00Tell me TurnureyesonJC Tiffany Croft's blog wa...Tell me TurnureyesonJC Tiffany Croft's blog was looked into by Hinson(the same man that found the identity of Watchdog) and shut her blog down. Darrell Gilyard preached regularly at FBCJax in the 90's. Why do you think that was? In fact this was at the same time they were finding out who Watchdog was. Not that bad? Not powerful?Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81173496128738878102011-03-10T23:22:27.316-05:002011-03-10T23:22:27.316-05:00Sorry, Wade, I of course meant to say Mac in my pr...Sorry, Wade, I of course meant to say Mac in my previous post. Godd to see you post again, we miss you.<br />Has anyone heard from Lynn or Lydia lately?WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70905226900946064752011-03-10T23:20:38.828-05:002011-03-10T23:20:38.828-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23011221870083807342011-03-10T23:05:55.282-05:002011-03-10T23:05:55.282-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43475696966371231042011-03-10T23:03:42.891-05:002011-03-10T23:03:42.891-05:00Hi, Turn, how was your day?Hi, Turn, how was your day?WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57228822268297401492011-03-10T22:26:31.015-05:002011-03-10T22:26:31.015-05:00Billy Graham talked bad about Jews with Richard Ni...Billy Graham talked bad about Jews with Richard Nixon.<br /><br />Franklin Graham is making over a million dollars a year.<br /><br />The founders of the Southern Baptist Convention were racists<br /><br />Barbara Bush and Laura Bush are BOTH pro-abortion.<br /><br />My Point....<br /><br />Mac is nowhere near as bad as these people!<br /><br />Yes, He gave Dog the boot and told him get out and stay out..<br /><br />And your problem with that is...........<br /><br />He is not knocking Jews with the President.<br /><br />He is not making 2 fulltime salaries like Franklin.<br /><br />He is not a racist and pro abortion.<br /><br />He kicked a man and his family out of the Church......BIG DEAL!!!!turnureyesonJChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04665662481139555976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31928002262613871862011-03-10T21:55:33.086-05:002011-03-10T21:55:33.086-05:00Andrew,
You don't "PING" and IP add...Andrew,<br /><br />You don't "PING" and IP address and an email comes up. That was never implied.<br /><br />To sign into 316 Networks you must sign in with your EMAIL ADDRESS. The email address is tied, of course, to your IP.<br /><br />That's how you get both the IP address and the email. Of course, someone could lie about their email address, but the host church sees email and IP tied together at sign in. You wrote: "Wade is not being truthful on that!" <br /><br />??<br /><br />It seems to me that you are simply confused and lack understanding of how things operate.wade burlesonhttp://www.wadeburleson.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57710591438022137222011-03-10T19:50:58.097-05:002011-03-10T19:50:58.097-05:00Oh and denial is not just a river in Egypt.Oh and denial is not just a river in Egypt.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40416834583598183842011-03-10T19:49:56.167-05:002011-03-10T19:49:56.167-05:00So does insulting me do something for you?
Just li...So does insulting me do something for you?<br />Just like you, I asked for evidence not perception, where is your evidence?<br />Police have to have more than perception has something to with reasonable searchs maybe you read about it somewhere like in the Constitution!WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38688558169680625102011-03-10T19:41:13.100-05:002011-03-10T19:41:13.100-05:00It is nice to see someone who puts it all together...It is nice to see someone who puts it all together when it comes to crybaby pastors. Read <a href="http://baptistplanet.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/thom-rainers-response-to-the-critics-among-souther-baptists/" rel="nofollow">Baptist Planet's recent article</a> about Thom Rainer's articles on pastoral criticism, and the criticism of Rainer's criticism by yours truly, Wartburg Watch, and Pastor William Thornton.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28336969606937812902011-03-10T19:16:39.674-05:002011-03-10T19:16:39.674-05:00WishIHadKnown,
Wade Burleson has a crack team ...WishIHadKnown,<br /><br /> Wade Burleson has a crack team who exposed a blogger? What? I see why your user name is "WishIHadKnown" - it doesn't say much for your present capacity. <br /><br /> And I said it correctly, IP addresses do not have emails attached. Emails have IPs, but not the other way around. You can't ping an IP and end up with an email. So Wade is incorrect in saying you can get an email from an IP and then make a streaming video for just Thy Peace and send it to him based on an IP. I hate to throw too many acronyms out there, but I do know the IT of IP!<br /><br />Yes, a criminal trespass order can be placed against any person for any perceived reason by any PRIVATE organization. A physical threat does not need to be proven, only perceived by the agent(s) of the organization.<br /><br />AndrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com