tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post278821186263702389..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "You Do Know that This is Grounds for Divorce, Right?"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81451341593594635292012-06-01T14:04:52.468-04:002012-06-01T14:04:52.468-04:00Mighty Christian of them. Yea, this is old, I jus...Mighty Christian of them. Yea, this is old, I just couldn't NOT comment. I hang out with teens as their accompanist in choir and this is the kind of comment they'd say: unFLIPPINGreal!Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70697633865616060962010-06-16T00:00:32.044-04:002010-06-16T00:00:32.044-04:00No fellow Jax Members You SHOULD LEAVE your BRUNSO...No fellow Jax Members You SHOULD LEAVE your BRUNSON's Fellowship High and Dry. My LORD and SAVIOR told me clearly NEVER join an assembly in which the pastors distorts Malachi 3 to exploit his flock. The Didache would uphold this idea as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37215199986043224212010-06-15T19:47:35.011-04:002010-06-15T19:47:35.011-04:00"We need to be concerned about what God said...."We need to be concerned about what God said..."<br /><br />Exactly! Which is why this woman should not be teaching the Word to anyone. She does not understand it or she would NEVER have said that.<br /><br />Thanks for making the point so clearly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56684821951628948132010-06-15T19:45:02.199-04:002010-06-15T19:45:02.199-04:00This whole issue of people saying mean things to o...This whole issue of people saying mean things to our wives....Have you ever been a Pastor's wife? Have you got any idea how cruel people can be to her?<br />I am sorry that your wife got treated this way..it was wrong!<br /><br />Shouldn't we forgive not Blog?<br /><br />Shouldn't we pray not spread rumors?<br /><br />Shouldn't we overlook not dwell on the negative?<br /><br />The Bible says that if we are mature, then we are not easily offended!<br /><br />If the shoe fits....<br /><br />June 14, 2010 11:12 PM<br /><br /><br />Right out of the playbook. Ignore evil in the ekklesia because only being positive is not sin. <br /><br />You know, these guys would have NO followers if people really studied on their own. But alas, they don't.<br /><br />This one sounds a lot like Joel Osteen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71435507122757594292010-06-15T14:40:53.706-04:002010-06-15T14:40:53.706-04:00This whole issue of people saying mean things to o...<i>This whole issue of people saying mean things to our wives....Have you ever been a Pastor's wife? Have you got any idea how cruel people can be to her?<br />I am sorry that your wife got treated this way..it was wrong!<br /><br />Shouldn't we forgive not Blog?<br /><br />Shouldn't we pray not spread rumors?<br /><br />Shouldn't we overlook not dwell on the negative?<br /><br />The Bible says that if we are mature, then we are not easily offended!<br /><br />If the shoe fits....<br /><br />June 14, 2010 11:12 PM</i><br />In defective churches, people can be cruel to pastors' wives and anyone else in the congregation. When these are happening, it's time to take a good, long look at the church and its leadership.<br /><br />Anon. 11:12, your logic is faulty. <br />You list of things Tom should do instead of others has a problem. Forgiving and blogging are not mutually exclusive. If Tom loves his former church and the personalities in it, he will blog as hard as he can to save them from error and its consequences. There is nothing here to indicate Tom is not praying for his former church. I expect it's a daily thing with him, and he is pretty good about posting facts with supporting documents, not rumors. While it's good to overlook personal slights, behavior that can hurt others should never be overlooked or allowed to stand. This church has become a dangerous place, spiritually. Tom would be remiss if he overlooked the dangerous simply because it was negative. It's true that Tom is offended, but he is not easily offended. He was served trespass papers, had his private accounts broken into and was called a sociopath by a pastor in his local newspaper. I'd say the offense was not a slight one.Provenderhttp://pureprovender.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50221222736508216422010-06-15T09:28:11.833-04:002010-06-15T09:28:11.833-04:00SS teachers remarks were way out of line, don'...SS teachers remarks were way out of line, don't care WHO she is. Why are you not supposed to take offense at the remarks? Does this mean that anyone connected with a church can say anything about a person, but said person is not to react or take offense. These people are not allowed to insult others with their "suggestions" and expect to get a pass on it because they think they are entitled to interfere in your life because they are "teachers". Of what I might ask? Do they pay any attention to the bible at all down there now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15062069091828402542010-06-15T00:46:04.342-04:002010-06-15T00:46:04.342-04:00Anonymous @11pm
I don't get what you are sayi...Anonymous @11pm<br /><br />I don't get what you are saying. I knew of a coverup regarding a sexual predator at a church. Those types of things are sooooo negative. I know, I should have whipped out my Bible and read only the passages on joy and never, ever dealt with the negative, right?<br /><br />Sin is messy and painful and must always be dealt with. However, far too many people sit in the pews and shut their eyes. That is how the Nazis got away with their heinous crimes. The Lutheran church during WW2 didn't "blog" and only focused on the positive.I bet they were well dressed and smiled a lot. But, they had blood on their hands for their inaction.<br /><br />Finally, the word "rumors" is a way of saying shut up about the truth." Rumors" is a way to insinuate that what is being said is not true. Well, Tom said the teacher said it. It is not a rumor. It happened to his wife.<br /><br />If Sunday School teachers are saying that at FBC somebody better be talking about it and somebody better be stopping it. There are far too many people singing "kumbaya" and signing up for Danube cruises and not dealing with the painful messes in our churches.deenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8788384100399362732010-06-15T00:35:43.051-04:002010-06-15T00:35:43.051-04:00The Bible says that if we are mature, then we are ...<i>The Bible says that if we are mature, then we are not easily offended!</i><br /><br />Anon 11:12 p.m.? I think your spouse has grounds to divorce you because (1) you're blogging anonymously and (2) sowing discord among the bloggers.<br /><br />Troll on.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59879259075598884312010-06-14T23:27:34.270-04:002010-06-14T23:27:34.270-04:00WD,
Don't you just love how people are critica...WD,<br />Don't you just love how people are critical of you because they feel you are being critical of others? It's almost as funny as it is stupid.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6288461384546838692010-06-14T23:12:37.065-04:002010-06-14T23:12:37.065-04:00This whole issue of people saying mean things to o...This whole issue of people saying mean things to our wives....Have you ever been a Pastor's wife? Have you got any idea how cruel people can be to her?<br />I am sorry that your wife got treated this way..it was wrong!<br /><br />Shouldn't we forgive not Blog?<br /><br />Shouldn't we pray not spread rumors?<br /><br />Shouldn't we overlook not dwell on the negative?<br /><br />The Bible says that if we are mature, then we are not easily offended!<br /><br />If the shoe fits....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9307718541527569992010-06-14T23:00:06.764-04:002010-06-14T23:00:06.764-04:00Anon 10:40
Do you think I care or my wife cares w...Anon 10:40<br /><br />Do you think I care or my wife cares what her SS teacher said? My wife hasn't spoken with her since. No whining here, just informing. <br /><br />Her comments to my wife were not light, off the cuff, remarks. They were genuine comments, something she believed and was giving counsel to my wife - and I don't give a flip what she says, and my wife brushed them off...but boy oh boy they give a glimpse into the thought processes of the firmly entrenched downtown.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4707586039984412562010-06-14T22:56:37.335-04:002010-06-14T22:56:37.335-04:00Anon posting about 8:00 pm ref KFerg....I know of ...Anon posting about 8:00 pm ref KFerg....I know of that minister, and conversed with him about 3 years ago, and received a much different description of events. For obvious reasons I can't put your post up, but would still love to converse with you via email regarding your comments.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66147609904549541612010-06-14T22:55:07.000-04:002010-06-14T22:55:07.000-04:00Anon 10:40 PM,
I detected no whining or sensitivi...Anon 10:40 PM,<br /><br />I detected no whining or sensitivity in WD's post -- only a combination of bemusement and amusement that someone who is a supposed spiritual leader, a SS teacher, would give such biblically unsound and callous "advice" as this.<br /><br />Besides, who really cares what you think?Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46791699607348740412010-06-14T22:40:46.370-04:002010-06-14T22:40:46.370-04:00I bet they serve WHINE to your at the Communion ta...I bet they serve WHINE to your at the Communion table.<br /><br />That mean ol' SS teacher hurt my wife's feelings....come on now!<br /><br />We are big boys and girls and we can let people have their own opinions...can't we?<br /><br />WHO REALLY CARES WHAT THE SS TEACHER SAID TO YOUR WIFE?<br /><br />We need to be concerned about what God said...Get you some thick skin Brother and quit worrying about these little SS ladies and start worrying about yourself and your own issues.<br /><br />What's next...You gonna get mad and leave the Church because the Preacher didn't hold your hand during hangnail surgery...a little sensitive...aren't we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33885974699278100722010-06-14T22:17:25.607-04:002010-06-14T22:17:25.607-04:00I am at a loss for words here. I first read this p...I am at a loss for words here. I first read this post yesterday but could not get myself to comment, for I felt too numb.<br /><br />The comment by the Sunday school teacher reminded me of one Anonymous commenter on this blog, who would always bring in how Yvette is being negatively affected by all this blogging. (Lately that commenter is MIA. Praise God for that.)<br /><br />I hope the Sunday school teacher reconsiders her views. She clearly did not have the best interests of Yvette or Tom's family at heart.<br /><br />The remarkable thing in all this is Tom's family has remained intact will all these external pressures on their family. This is a cause for celebration.<br /><br />This might be somewhat off topic, but relevant to some good baptist preachers. I just finished hearing Pastor Wade Burleson's last Sunday's sermon. <a href="http://www.emmanuelenid.org/sermons/The%20Difference%20Christ%20Makes/Difference10.htm" rel="nofollow">Please listen to it</a>. Compare this with what you hear elsewhere, where they want to build monuments for Christ in stone.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49739995385114500392010-06-14T21:39:07.515-04:002010-06-14T21:39:07.515-04:00Antibaptissss,
I'm no longer a Baptist, either...Antibaptissss,<br />I'm no longer a Baptist, either, and don't seek to defend them. Nor am I a Jew, under the Law of Moses. I am free in Christ and live as a non-Jew under His grace, and have no desire to be bound by their laws that God never intended for me. But if it makes you happy or feel somehow closer to Christ to take that yoke upon yourself, go for it. Just don't try to drag the rest of us under that bondage. Most of us have had more than enough legalism as Baptists; we sure don't need any more.Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67303527736561490222010-06-14T21:08:28.475-04:002010-06-14T21:08:28.475-04:00...Give it up! You are right and they are wrong, ......Give it up! You are right and they are wrong, you are both right, you are both wrong, or they are right and you are wrong. At this stage it no longer matters. Stop lashing out at those that are innocent bystanders. Judge people by what you see them do, not what you hear.sttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45329408110307190632010-06-14T21:02:56.939-04:002010-06-14T21:02:56.939-04:00Oh so Junkster, (name is so appropriate) you are ...Oh so Junkster, (name is so appropriate) you are accusing Messiah and ALL the apostles including Paul of being a Judaizer? You speak of wanting to be like Him but you don't live or worship like Him. You whine about the 10 Commandments but only honor 9(or fewer). I really can't understand the hypocracy. Go ahead, eat your dead pig and worship on sun-god day. I challenge ALL to research the early church and see how they REALLY lived and worshipped, and it's ot what the church lady told you I assure you. <br /><br />Don't say this ex-baptissss (and former FBC Jax member) didn't tell you. <br /><br />I escaped the baptisss asylum and you can too.<br /><br />Pass me another glass of Merlot bruuutha.Antibaptissssnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41721638119131276892010-06-14T20:02:57.374-04:002010-06-14T20:02:57.374-04:00WD-
I have held this under my hat for sometime and...WD-<br />I have held this under my hat for sometime and debated whether or not I should share it. I have decided to share it.<br /><br />Back in late '04 or'05 Kieth Ferguson was the Min of Music at FBCD, when he suddenly and abruptly resigned. There was never an "official" reason other than he was going up McKinney to a church there.<br /><br />The scuttlebutt around the church was that a woman in the church (FBCD) was stalking him, and so for his and his family's safety he had to move.<br /><br />After reading and keeping up with your situation and treatment at FBCJAX, if this is indeed true, why didn't Dr. Brunson and the deacons here at FBCD get an ordinance against this woman banning her from the church property, so that Kieth could remain? <br /><br />Or is there more to the story?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7716644275194188012010-06-14T18:01:54.436-04:002010-06-14T18:01:54.436-04:00In jest? You gotta be kidding!!!!In jest? You gotta be kidding!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52971894908032387842010-06-14T16:37:06.960-04:002010-06-14T16:37:06.960-04:00"Are you a very sensitive individual? This is..."Are you a very sensitive individual? This is not that big a deal. People tell my wife in jest..."I don't see how you can stay with him?". WHATS THE BIG DEAL? That Sunday School lady was probably just kidding!!"<br /><br />It ain't "in jest" anon. You just want to believe it is.Johnny D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17141127764617679586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68096307044800444032010-06-14T13:04:37.106-04:002010-06-14T13:04:37.106-04:00Call me hardcore, but I don't think divorce is...Call me hardcore, but I don't think divorce is ever justifiable except in cases of adultery or obvious abuse/neglect (against the spouse or a family member). Even if you believe in "no-fault" divorce, those words from your wife's former teacher and mentor are perhaps the sickest, most depraved words I have heard in years from any person of faith.<br /><br />I encourage people to protest the convention's support of Mac Brunson by adopting some subtle symbol when they go to church or any public place this summer - maybe a green rubber band worn on the wrist? Perhaps you could come up with a better symbol.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14534440335233511829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71188896214759318842010-06-14T12:07:41.296-04:002010-06-14T12:07:41.296-04:00Why does ANYONE remain at a church like it appears...Why does ANYONE remain at a church like it appears FBCJ has become?? <br /><br />June 14, 2010 8:45 AM <br /><br />All kinds of reasons:<br />-social<br />-business contacts<br />-fear of leaving the familiar<br />-ignorance<br />-activities for kids<br />-notion they can somehow make a difference<br />-heritage (family has been there for generations)<br /><br />Somehow all the above overrides convictions and character.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45379327072788219102010-06-14T09:03:27.483-04:002010-06-14T09:03:27.483-04:00"Are you a very sensitive individual? This is..."Are you a very sensitive individual? This is not that big a deal. People tell my wife in jest..."I don't see how you can stay with him?". WHATS THE BIG DEAL? That Sunday School lady was probably just kidding!!"<br /><br />=================================<br />Anon 10:57: Think you just blew your cover - some of us have a pretty good idea of just who you are now - you run with Mac's crowd don't you! :>)<br /><br />Note to Provender:<br />Answer to points you wrote would all be answered with a YES from those of us who left when Mac Brunson took control of our beloved church.<br /><br />Note to Bro/Pastor Rod: <br />Yes, members at FBCJ know how to explode the tea pot when you don't agree with them - they don't do it with love and you quickly become a black sheep. Indeed these "godly men/women" are known to change their character and display instant emaotional anger, which then doesn't take them long to pass it down the fBCJ Inhouse "beauty shop gossip"<br /><br />Question:<br />Do they drink beer at FBCJ? No witness to drinking beer but do know some of them sure like their wine - Ooop''s no sin if you don't get drunk!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86898749753485104512010-06-14T08:45:11.073-04:002010-06-14T08:45:11.073-04:00I think we all have to admit it, though: in the he...I think we all have to admit it, though: in the heat of the moment in our churches, when it seems we should say something but don't really know what to say, we go ahead and state some ABSOLUTELY STUPID AND FOOLISH THINGS to each other and blame it on the Bible. What's even more stupid and foolish is the be the minister in charge of adult education in a local church (e.g., FBCJ) and know that this kind of thing is said, but to do nothing right about it---now that's REALLY STUPID (but no longer UNEXPECTED in this case?).<br /><br />Why does ANYONE remain at a church like it appears FBCJ has become??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com