tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3082125623388928080..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "Bring Ye All the UNDESIGNATED Tithe to My Church...Now"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23216558476519887412009-12-12T12:13:56.701-05:002009-12-12T12:13:56.701-05:00So I guess since FBC Jax has "God's man&q...<i>So I guess since FBC Jax has "God's man", that money I earn and put into my bank account (can we at least agree on that)is actually Mac's to spend as he pleases? If it's not MY money, then who gets to spend it? Me or Mac? And if it is God's money, why does so much of it go to Mac and Deb and Trey and Maurilio?</i><br /><br />From your remarks, it seems you go to FBCJ. Why? You don't like the pastor. You know he is not leaving. Why not go where you can be fed and grow spiritually.<br /><br />If you don't attend FBCJ, then why are you giving your money to the church for (as you say) Mac and family?<br /><br />if you are not giving money through FBCJ, then I really don't understand your comment other than it is a comment that is dishonest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43996949709958193772009-12-12T07:41:37.656-05:002009-12-12T07:41:37.656-05:00You say;
""YES, MY MONEY!!!! THAT I EARN...You say;<br />""YES, MY MONEY!!!! THAT I EARN AND CHOOSE TO DO WITH WHATEVER WAY GOD LEADS ME!!!!"<br /><br />No, you are wrong. If you take this approach and mindset you will not know what God wants you to do with it because it is not yours, in any form or fashion, except to be a steward of His money.<br /><br />Psalm 24:1 - The earth is the Lord's, and all it contains, the world, and those who dwell in it.<br /><br />If I am wrong, I would appreciate you to show me where God says or even infers it is YOUR money?"<br />__________________________________<br /><br />So I guess since FBC Jax has "God's man", that money I earn and put into my bank account (can we at least agree on that)is actually Mac's to spend as he pleases? If it's not MY money, then who gets to spend it? Me or Mac? And if it is God's money, why does so much of it go to Mac and Deb and Trey and Maurilio?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4664032570830129162009-12-11T18:49:08.879-05:002009-12-11T18:49:08.879-05:00"No, the issue is whether Christians are to f..."No, the issue is whether Christians are to fork over (as some have put it) a mandatory 10% of their income to a "church". That is completely different from giving an amount of one's own choosing to whomever the Spirit prompts the person. I sincerely hope that's clear now."<br /><br />Right. It is the difference between living under the law OR having a transformed heart with the indwelling Holy Spirit guiding all decisions in our lives. that is a huge difference.<br /><br />"The pastor has to spend some time addressing the tithe. How long do you suppose that a church would survive if the pastor got up and said "give if you can.""<br /><br />This is man centered teaching and why the Holy Spirit is absent from most of our churches. The man centered teaching wants to control and direct the giving which is why they teach a mythical tithe law in the NT.<br /><br />I would recommend you google and find Paul Washer's prayer journal for a hint as to how giving works in the New Covenant.<br /><br />MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91208678483243278462009-12-11T15:05:28.504-05:002009-12-11T15:05:28.504-05:00ANON Dec 10 5 24
You say;
""YES, MY MON...ANON Dec 10 5 24<br /><br />You say;<br />""YES, MY MONEY!!!! THAT I EARN AND CHOOSE TO DO WITH WHATEVER WAY GOD LEADS ME!!!!"<br /><br />No, you are wrong. If you take this approach and mindset you will not know what God wants you to do with it because it is not yours, in any form or fashion, except to be a steward of His money.<br /><br />Psalm 24:1 - The earth is the Lord's, and all it contains, the world, and those who dwell in it.<br /><br />If I am wrong, I would appreciate you to show me where God says or even infers it is YOUR money?"<br /><br />Tell ya what....Have GOD call me directly and I will speak to him/her about "MY MONEY"<br /><br />Otherwise, it is NONE of YOUR business. <br /><br />It is between me and GOD - not you!<br /><br />The Baptist Mafia ain't getting it though...<br /><br />not one cent :)Dr Whonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44662984163318400932009-12-11T09:11:25.392-05:002009-12-11T09:11:25.392-05:00Anon December 10, 2009 9:12 PM,
B I N G O !!!!!!!...Anon December 10, 2009 9:12 PM,<br /><br />B I N G O !!!!!!!Former FBC Insiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14110678455091719881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60472757003956810642009-12-11T07:11:46.346-05:002009-12-11T07:11:46.346-05:00Giving and tithing... Call it Geranimo if you like...<i>Giving and tithing... Call it Geranimo if you like. Use the Old Testament or the New Testament. It makes no difference.</i><br /><br />Do you honestly not know the difference? Do you think everyone here is simply arguing about what it should be called?? Wow.<br /><br />No, the issue is whether Christians are to fork over (as some have put it) a mandatory 10% of their income to a "church". That is completely different from giving an amount of one's own choosing to whomever the Spirit prompts the person. I sincerely hope that's clear now.<br /><br /><i>There are those that you can never make happy and that is final. </i><br /><br />News at eleven. ;-)<br /><br /><i>The pastor has to spend some time addressing the tithe. How long do you suppose that a church would survive if the pastor got up and said "give if you can."</i><br /><br />Oh, so a "church" cannot "survive" unless the people pay a tax to the "storehouse". Again I ask: is this a club, a business? Or is it a Body of people with various spiritual gifts who are to help each other and the poor, and support missionaries, as each of them "has purposed in their heart"?<br /><br /><i>It is still your responsibility to pay up. Look around the church. The lights are on? Air conditioning runs? Hymnals available? Pastor preaching the word?</i><br /><br />You are describing a building, not a real church. And a paid hireling. I preach it for free, whenever and wherever, and let the Spirit move the hearts. If they have the Spirit and I preach the Word, giving from the heart will happen. I refuse to "beat my fellow servants".<br /><br /><i>There is a cost associated with your sucking up the air and getting fed a sermon.</i><br /><br />You're beginning to sound "green". ;-)<br /><br />Jesus didn't sell anything, and neither did Paul nor anyone else. Some with means supported them willingly and without coercion, while others earned their own living. <br /><br /><i>"It is more blessed to tithe than to deadbeat."<br />"Thou shalt not deadbeat your fellow church members." </i><br /><br />Making up scriptures now? Still calling names? This is the state of "churchianity" now, I'm afraid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79313249676366458122009-12-10T21:12:24.943-05:002009-12-10T21:12:24.943-05:00Let's see. I was on my way to hell. Jesus sa...Let's see. I was on my way to hell. Jesus saved me. So I need to give 10% of my wages to FBC Jacksonville, which the majority of the money given will go to salaries and benefits and to advertising and marketing. But what if I want to give back to GOD himself. Doesn't he say if you have done it to the least of these you have done it to ME? So shouldn't I give it to people, the least of these, and NOT to FBC Jax if I really want to give to God?<br /><br />Why is the assumption being made that giving to the FBC Jax budget = giving to GOD?<br /><br />And why didn't Jesus just tell us to give 10% of our money to the ekklesia or local body of believers? Why did he go out of his way to say the hungry, naked, poor, jailed? <br /><br />I think these preachers are twisting and lying so they can manipulate people who love Jesus into giving money to them so they can spend it on nice cars, salaries, nice restaurants, world travel and friends and family. <br /><br />I could be wrong. Please show me how I am wrong about this. Feel free to use Mac and Debbie and Trey and Maurilio as examples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23357237157760249602009-12-10T20:36:00.598-05:002009-12-10T20:36:00.598-05:00A fool and his money is soon parted. The love of m...A fool and his money is soon parted. The love of money is the root of all evil. <br /><br />It is apparent that while some believe in tithing there are others that do not. If any of you missed the Billy Graham Crusade (replayed recently) held in Chicago aired originally in 1962 you missed a great message last night on cablevision. Mr Graham said that many in the church are not saved and that at that time, 1962, churches were nothing more than SOCIAL CLUBS!!!(even though he does recommend going to a local church). He went on to discuss the real meaning of life and preached on what Jesus said " Remember Lot's wife". He preached on various scriptures dealing with end times and how our day current time related to what was transpiring in the days of Sodom. <br /><br />Today, our churches have gotten frozen in time with programs and social meetings rather than dealing with preaching the whole counsel of God, reaching out to the lost in our city, orphans, widows, etc. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WITNESSING TO LOST PEOPLE. We spend entirely too much time debating finances when people are dying and going to hell all around us. Money has become more important than salvation. What does your preacher preach most about? Wake up and deal with what the 11th commandment is "love your neighbor as yourself". That is the important issue of today and it is seldom if ever discussed, much less preached. It requires some effort and oftentimes knocking on some doors and picking up the telephone and telling someone we've hurt that we are sorry. Much hurt has come to members at the hands of pastors, elders, and lay persons. Oftentimes THEIR pride won't let THEM recognize their part in hurting others. They think anything THEY do is ordained by God, so what if it hurts another.<br /><br />Man has become so self centered, he has taken his eyes off Jesus and keeps looking at himself. God help us!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35693649502780203092009-12-10T19:09:19.966-05:002009-12-10T19:09:19.966-05:00Pastor Pryme... You seem to be arguing semantics....Pastor Pryme... You seem to be arguing semantics.<br /><br />Giving and tithing... Call it Geranimo if you like. Use the Old Testament or the New Testament. It makes no difference. There are those that you can never make happy and that is final. The pastor has to spend some time addressing the tithe. How long do you suppose that a church would survive if the pastor got up and said "give if you can."<br /><br />It is still your responsibility to pay up. Look around the church. The lights are on? Air conditioning runs? Hymnals available? Pastor preaching the word?<br /><br />There is a cost associated with your sucking up the air and getting fed a sermon. <br /><br />"It is more blessed to tithe than to deadbeat."<br />"Thou shalt not deadbeat your fellow church members."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54757281287047818122009-12-10T17:39:06.924-05:002009-12-10T17:39:06.924-05:00"Didn't it belong to you before it was so..."Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal?" --- Acts 5:4<br /><br />"Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality, as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little." --- 2 Cor. 8:13-15Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40601591662967496322009-12-10T17:24:41.869-05:002009-12-10T17:24:41.869-05:00"YES, MY MONEY!!!! THAT I EARN AND CHOOSE TO ..."YES, MY MONEY!!!! THAT I EARN AND CHOOSE TO DO WITH WHATEVER WAY GOD LEADS ME!!!!"<br /><br />No, you are wrong. If you take this approach and mindset you will not know what God wants you to do with it because it is not yours, in any form or fashion, except to be a steward of His money.<br /><br /><i>Psalm 24:1 - The earth is the Lord's, and all it contains, the world, and those who dwell in it.</i><br /><br />If I am wrong, I would appreciate you to show me where God says or even infers it is YOUR money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31983908933092028832009-12-10T17:15:36.858-05:002009-12-10T17:15:36.858-05:00"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrite..."Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. <br /><br />What are the others? It seems Jesus sis speaking of the lesser, of which he mentions, specifically, the tithe. Yet, I guess it is possible Jesus was speaking of something other than the tithe but it is interesting he mentioned the tithe.<br />"<br /><br />You have totally misunderstood what this means. The law was not fulfilled until AFTER the Cross and Resurrection. Up to that point, Jesus kept the law perfectly. He is rebuking them, btw, for their fake piousness in tithing their herb 'crops', while refusing to be just and merciful .<br /><br />Do you find it odd that there is no reference to all the churches about tithing and what to do with their 'tithes' in the way of goods?<br /><br />We read about offerings. The one we read about the most is the offering for the persecuted believers in Jerusalem that Paul was so concerned about.<br /><br />Example:<br /><br />25 But now I am going to Jerusalem to minister to the saints. 26 For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints who are in Jerusalem. 27 It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister to them in material things. Romans 15<br /><br /> <br /> 1Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem<br />1 Corin 16<br /><br />Why no percentage? Why not repeat the percentage from back to Abraham? Note, Paul does NOT want collections made while he is there. He is not even going to touch the money.<br /><br />MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67830987850797404052009-12-10T17:02:26.954-05:002009-12-10T17:02:26.954-05:00"In the same way, when Jesus fulfilled the ol..."In the same way, when Jesus fulfilled the old law, He met EVERY obligation, every detail, on our behalf. And he is the priest of a new order. Read through Hebrews and you'll see that where the priesthood goes, so also goes the law. Therefore, Jesus did annul EVERY PART OF THE OLD LAW, and all who are in Him are under this new priesthood and new law."<br /><br />This is correct. Look at what Jesus told Peter about paying the Temple tax:<br /><br />Matthew 17<br /><br />24 When they had come to Capernaum those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?” <br />25 He said, “Yes.” <br />And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?” <br />26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.” <br />Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free. 27 Nevertheless, lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast in a hook, and take the fish that comes up first. And when you have opened its mouth, you will find a piece of money;[h] take that and give it to them for Me and you.”<br /><br /><br />Do you get it? The 'sons' are free.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18702558395069047632009-12-10T16:19:12.286-05:002009-12-10T16:19:12.286-05:00A correction about the IRS and designated contribu...A correction about the IRS and designated contributions and deductability. If the item appears in the church budget or any undesignated funds go from the church to that purpose, then it will still be deductable. A big exception is a donation that names a specific person to receive the money.Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67699662500788430292009-12-10T16:08:39.896-05:002009-12-10T16:08:39.896-05:00Yes ANON 3:36
YES, MY MONEY!!!! THAT I EARN AND C...Yes ANON 3:36<br /><br />YES, MY MONEY!!!! THAT I EARN AND CHOOSE TO DO WITH WHATEVER WAY GOD LEADS ME!!!!<br /><br />AND I TOO SAY ....IT IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE GIVEN TO ANY OF THOSE WITHIN THE BAPTIST MAFIA!<br /><br />NOW GO PUKE!DR WHOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34748143955071244022009-12-10T15:55:59.507-05:002009-12-10T15:55:59.507-05:00"Didn't it belong to you before it was so..."Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal?" --- Acts 5:4<br /><br />"Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. Then there will be equality, as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little." --- 2 Cor. 8:13-15Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84853995170618738672009-12-10T15:37:00.921-05:002009-12-10T15:37:00.921-05:00"DON'T TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY..."DON'T TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY, WE WANT IT FREE AND CLEAR - WITHOUT QUESTIONS or ACCOUNTABILITY!"<br /><br />Your money????<br /><br />I think I will puke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52670285098792161082009-12-10T14:59:44.665-05:002009-12-10T14:59:44.665-05:00For those who want to designate everything...the I...For those who want to designate everything...the IRS says that the church cannot give you any contribution receipt for that designated offering, unless such designation is approved by the church. I may want to designate my money to paint the hallway pink, and the church may take my money and do so. BUT, if it was not a church-approved project, I do not receive tax credit. <br /><br />Money with strings attached is not considered a tax-deductible contribution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46331677330783744962009-12-10T14:25:39.253-05:002009-12-10T14:25:39.253-05:00I am so glad and thankful I woke up and saw what &...I am so glad and thankful I woke up and saw what "un-designated" meant before I felt more stupid than I do right now!<br /><br />Now they want everything"un-designated" meaning......<br /><br />DON'T TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY, WE WANT IT FREE AND CLEAR - WITHOUT QUESTIONS or ACCOUNTABILITY!<br /><br />Oh me...Oh me. I think I am going to upchuck....Dr Whonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5546372424308646662009-12-10T13:34:09.371-05:002009-12-10T13:34:09.371-05:00interesting bloginteresting blogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29672548476856537242009-12-10T12:53:33.208-05:002009-12-10T12:53:33.208-05:00I know this is besides the main point, but Vinny, ...I know this is besides the main point, but Vinny, you use a school basketball team losing as a point? are you freakin nuts? now youre just making fun of high schoolers who dont really have much of a coach and who (most of them) have not played organized basketball before. i just read this post to learn more and discern on who's right by using the Bible, but your post is crazy.<br /><br />HankAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67566794539218280412009-12-10T11:28:06.762-05:002009-12-10T11:28:06.762-05:00You change your criteria from a NT passage to an E...<i>You change your criteria from a NT passage to an Epistle passage.</i><br /><br />I had presumed before that people here knew the church did not begin in the gospels, but saw that I needed to be more specific.<br /><br /><i>... you are saying we can't learn how to live by reading the very words of Jesus. Oh, we can learn from them but they are not there to direct the church or the individual Christian is to live out their faith.<br /><br />I am sadly amazed at such thoughts.</i><br /><br />I am sadly amazed how hard it is to communicate with fellow believers.<br /><br />When I say "how to live" I mean what RULES Christians are under, what LAW, since that's the issue here. I did say that we have much to learn from the rest of scripture, did I not?<br /><br />And do you mean to say that we are bound to EVERY OT LAW simply because it's the Bible, regardless of who GOD says that law was for? Were you ever a Jew? If not, you were NEVER under the OT law and did not become under it when you were saved.<br /><br /><i>You keep asking for a passage telling us to keep tithing, I ask you to show us a NT passage that ends it. You can use the gospels also, if need be.</i><br /><br />Show us a scripture that ends Sabbath keeping then. Do you keep the Sabbath? Why not? Jesus never ended it, nor did any of the apostles. Yet there is not one command in the epistles for us to keep it, nor any penalties for failing to keep it. And show us where Jesus or the apostles ended slavery. In fact, even the epistles have instructions on how slaves should behave. Is this not an endorsement of slavery, especially since it was never explicitly ended? This is where your argument takes you.<br /><br />This is in fact a basic error, to say that we are bound by default to everything not specifically ended. Think about what you're saying... if a contract is fulfilled, do you still have to keep any and all details of that contract since they weren't itemized? Not at all; when a contract is ended, everything it contained is ended as well, without a need to state each item separately.<br /><br />In the same way, when Jesus fulfilled the old law, He met EVERY obligation, every detail, on our behalf. And he is the priest of a new order. Read through Hebrews and you'll see that where the priesthood goes, so also goes the law. Therefore, Jesus did annul EVERY PART OF THE OLD LAW, and all who are in Him are under this new priesthood and new law.<br /><br />And what is that new law? The law of love. That's it!<br /><br />Gone is the burden the Jews could not bear; gone are the rituals, the sacred objects, the temple built of stone. WE are all the temple of the Holy Spirit; WE are the royal priesthood; WE are the very Body of Christ, who already met the obligations of the law.<br /><br />Even in the gospels we see Jesus teach against mixing old and new, and telling us that the time had come to worship God in spirit and truth instead of in a particular place.<br /><br />But at this point I'm convinced that no one will even try to produce a scripture that clearly <b>commands Christians to tithe</b>. Feel free to try and find one in the OT or the gospels if you wish, but make sure Christians are included, and that you are consistent in establishing as a law for us everything--- and I mean everything--- that wasn't specifically ended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38950080089316802362009-12-10T11:04:57.554-05:002009-12-10T11:04:57.554-05:00Pastor Pryme,
"I still await quotes from tho...Pastor Pryme,<br /><br />"I still await quotes from those epistles on tithing."<br /><br />You change your criteria from a NT passage to an Epistle passage.<br /><br />If we take your words:<br /><br />""Definitive teachings for Christians are found in the epistles. Yes, we have much to learn from the gospels and the OT, but only the epistles tell us of the church and how Christians are to live."<br /><br />... you are saying we can't learn how to live by reading the very words of Jesus. Oh, we can learn from them but they are not there to direct the church or the individual Christian is to live out their faith.<br /><br />I am sadly amazed at such thoughts.<br /><br />You keep asking for a passage telling us to keep tithing, I ask you to show us a NT passage that ends it. You can use the gospels also, if need be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89017518142864921672009-12-10T10:45:10.882-05:002009-12-10T10:45:10.882-05:00In the first part of the words Jesus chose to use,...<i>In the first part of the words Jesus chose to use, it seems Jesus is not condemning the tithe but the heart of the one saying he was a tither.</i><br /><br />And he said this to Jews. There were no Christians yet, because the church did not begin till Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was given.<br /><br />Definitive teachings for Christians are found in the epistles. Yes, we have much to learn from the gospels and the OT, but only the epistles tell us of the church and how Christians are to live. I still await quotes from those epistles on tithing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80188726742101677512009-12-10T10:23:11.468-05:002009-12-10T10:23:11.468-05:00When I see comments like this my heart just breaks...<i>When I see comments like this my heart just breaks. We must always study and question all teaching in order to mature in the Faith. One cannot be "led" by the Holy Spirit to preach OT tithing because it is not what is taught in the New Covenant. It is that simple.</i><br /><br />What is taught in the NT? It seems very little so therefore it is best to erase what has been set previously.<br /><br />I chuckle at all the men of old, many on here hold dear:<br /><br />Cyprian (200-258AD)<br />Apostolic Constitution (300AD)<br />Jerome (345-420AD)<br />Ambrose (340-397AD)<br />Augustine (354-430AD)<br />Chrysostom (347-407AD)<br />John Calvin (1509-1564AD)<br />Charles Spurgeon (1834-1892)<br />D.L. MOODY (1860-1899); BILLY SUNDAY (1862-1935)<br />R.A.TORREY (1856-1928)<br />H.A. IRONSIDE (1880-1951)<br />M.R. DEHAAN (1890-1965)<br />and today: Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, David Jeremiah, Adrian Rogers, Chuck Swindoll....all believe and teach(ed) tithing is for today!<br /><br />But then you have one interesting verse...<br /><br /><b>Matthew 23:23 (NASB) <br /> "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done <i>without neglecting the others.</i></b> <br /><br />What are the others? It seems Jesus sis speaking of the lesser, of which he mentions, specifically, the tithe. Yet, I guess it is possible Jesus was speaking of something other than the tithe but it is interesting he mentioned the tithe.<br /><br />In the first part of the words Jesus chose to use, it seems Jesus is not condemning the tithe but the heart of the one saying he was a tither.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com