tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3087185855156428520..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "It's Not Your Money!!" Says Steven Furtick, as He Proudly Screams "Yes! The Church Wants Your Money!!"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67914959921270839602016-12-14T16:10:50.384-05:002016-12-14T16:10:50.384-05:00As a Christian, it saddens me to see this. It shou...As a Christian, it saddens me to see this. It should not surprise us, but pastors like this all too often disparage the messages Christ taught and besmirch the image of the church and discourage people from their faith and doing good things through the church. It keeps many people from supporting good and legitimate activities in churches because of the suspicion that their donations will be going into the pockets of the leaders. Very sad. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14599954055288154296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25571892646627159502014-03-01T20:02:13.888-05:002014-03-01T20:02:13.888-05:00the bible says not to judge people for you will be...the bible says not to judge people for you will be judged instead pray for Steven ask God to change his heart.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06637987349182543556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85139705812201372152013-12-13T16:56:18.915-05:002013-12-13T16:56:18.915-05:00Instead of worrying about these pastors, why don&#...Instead of worrying about these pastors, why don't you all pray for them. You're criticizing, and doing the same thing the Bible says not to do, so either way, both are the same if true. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83117242390941723672013-11-30T03:13:50.245-05:002013-11-30T03:13:50.245-05:00Anonymous, no one said to not tithe if u are being...Anonymous, no one said to not tithe if u are being fed the Word at your church, the issue is it is a law under the New Covenant. NO it is not. And you cannot find one verse after Jesus said Paid in full where we are justified by the tithe law. Jesus said Paid in full.<br />Why is Paid in full so hard for some grace killers to understand? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63802683114113481342013-11-30T03:11:50.801-05:002013-11-30T03:11:50.801-05:00Anonymous, no one said to not tithe if are being f...Anonymous, no one said to not tithe if are being fed the Word at your church, the issue is it is a law under the New Covenant. NO it is not. And you cannot find one verse after Jesus said Paid in full where we are justified by the tithe law. Jesus said Paid in full. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38152535796651038132013-11-30T03:09:51.368-05:002013-11-30T03:09:51.368-05:00Kyle just because a practice predates the law does...Kyle just because a practice predates the law does not mean it is for today. Stoning folks who broke the Saturday Sabbath rest and Abraham having a illegitimate son also predates the law. Jesus completed the law, period. <br />Romans 10:3-4, Galatians 4:24 Hagar and Sarah represent the two covenants. Galatians 4:30 Cast out the slave women. Galatians 4:31 We are not children of the slave woman but of the free woman's son. Go learn with that means all you grace rejecters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50555466013037399212013-11-30T03:05:43.346-05:002013-11-30T03:05:43.346-05:00This is for Kyle. You answered your own question b...This is for Kyle. You answered your own question because the last comment was Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law but to complete it. Kyle Jesus completed the law. Some translation use the term to fulfill it. If Kyle could fulfill the law Jesus would not have had to come do it for us as our representative. Only someone sinless could fulfill the law. Stop being blind folks.<br />Romans 10:4 Christ is the End of the law for righteousness for all who believe. The New Covenant is better because Jesus and The Holy Spirit completes us. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13756089731747851152013-11-12T19:17:43.494-05:002013-11-12T19:17:43.494-05:00my grandfather was a minister for a small church i...my grandfather was a minister for a small church in east TN for about 30 years. he never took a dime from the church. he worked a full time job at a saw mill for years until he went on SS and still.. never took a penny out of the plate. i dont understand compensating a minister to the tune of 7 figures. didnt jesus whip up on a few guys in a church for making it all about money? Steven Furtick should have nothing to hide as a minister. theres another quote in there about closets and whats done in secret being brought to light. oif Steven Furtick really believes that, he needs to worry a little about I would think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50981065450715859852013-10-11T18:23:42.214-04:002013-10-11T18:23:42.214-04:00Reading these posts scare me...people that have no...Reading these posts scare me...people that have nothing better to do than to bash pastors are a huge problem for the cause of Christ. It's always a dead giveaway that you're trying to manipulate an audience when you take quotes out of the context of an entire message and post your own words at the bottom...my 6 year old does that. Just because someone is successful as a pastor doesn't mean he should have a target on his head. Why is is that people don't want God's kingdom to be built? The church is what he built and he chose to do that through people. But when a pastor speaks on money everyone thinks he's stealing somehow. Stop ranting on pastors...you're hurting the very cause you're after. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36862593897098756372013-10-07T03:56:29.746-04:002013-10-07T03:56:29.746-04:00This is a well written excerpt. I attended Elevati...This is a well written excerpt. I attended Elevation and found that Furtick was a bit too arrogant for me. Most comments here are troll-type comments with literal, interpretations of the Bible by fanatics. More people have made money with Jesus Christ than with any other name. The man became a brand name without a patent a long time ago. One has to know that churches cannot feed themselves. They need the worshipers to help erect buildings. Preachers have to eat and feed their families. Now their lifestyles and how much they think they are worth depends on those who are willing to contribute. They are only asking not putting a gun to anybody's head. Their lifestyles are at stake and they do work hard for their daily bread. It is the fear factor of Hades, Bible interpretations or "scripture studies" as some fanatics say, and the ingrained fact that most people in the world feel lonely and need someone to show them the way. Others feel the constant need to experience pain, mortification, and unhappiness. Ramona, I do not see how you or anyone can be a student of the Bible for 45 years. That is not conceivable unless you are a troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1506074052643376552013-10-05T23:16:06.190-04:002013-10-05T23:16:06.190-04:00Stevie needs this money for his 16,000 sq.ft. fami...Stevie needs this money for his 16,000 sq.ft. family abode he's building. <br /><br />These Elevators need to step up and help him build his multi-million dollar kingdom in Waxhaw, NC. He can't do it all by himself!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5871156077818080892013-10-05T16:09:35.929-04:002013-10-05T16:09:35.929-04:00Ramona, are you allowed to know the Pastor's s...Ramona, are you allowed to know the Pastor's salary? Why or why not? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78992567941149928372013-10-05T16:07:05.540-04:002013-10-05T16:07:05.540-04:00He said that about T. D. Jakes, the Prosperity-pre...He said that about T. D. Jakes, the Prosperity-preaching, Trinity-denying, super-rich heretic? Oh, my...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20306656476827143212013-10-02T18:03:27.318-04:002013-10-02T18:03:27.318-04:00When did he say it was his money? I mean the Subti...When did he say it was his money? I mean the Subtitles did but he didnt. I dont understand. He said it was God's and that the church wants it. seems like every other church to me. No matter how big or small. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71216232168460815072013-09-09T09:33:13.315-04:002013-09-09T09:33:13.315-04:00I have attended Elevation Church for almost 2 year...I have attended Elevation Church for almost 2 years now. As a Christian for 45 years, one who has read and studied the scriptures all those 45 years - I know God has called me to Elevation to worship, learn, grow, tithe and serve. Our church is truly all about those who are far from God being raised to life in Christ and those who are close to God being doers of the Word and not just hearers only. When I look at the fruit in my life and that of thousands of others, I conclude that God is in this great work and as Pastor Steven lifts up Jesus Christ - God draws those that will listen to Himself. If you feel that anything is amiss with our pastor or our church, as people of God, please pray for us that a spirit of revelation knowledge and wisdom will rest upon us as we seek to do God's will. Pray for us as we pray for you. Thank you.<br />Ramona MBERamona MBEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47036892000860470502013-07-29T20:38:33.298-04:002013-07-29T20:38:33.298-04:00I would never attend a church that I was receiving...I would never attend a church that I was receiving food for my spirit and not tithe. MY Bible tells me to do this, yes, but my heart speaks just as loud telling me that a church won't survive or grow without income. I want my children taught, fed, and kept safe in a church environment, I want to know that the Word of God is being spread to all nations, I want to see Bible groups, teen functions, I want to hear amazing music, I want to see a church grow with attendance, ALL of this costs money! Who would be so greedy as to say it isn't right for a pastor to remind the congregation what the Bible tells us about giving and tithing? We're all so ready to take things, but so stingy to give in return. I attend Elevation and have never left the church without hearing an amazing message from Pastor Furtick. He brings the Bible alive, he is relevant, he shows how the Bible impacts our lives today just as it did when it was written. No one is forced or coerced to give, ... the plate is passed, and I, along with thousands of others, give cheerfully! Elevation is an amazing church!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18461305642261814642013-03-19T02:24:27.060-04:002013-03-19T02:24:27.060-04:00you do realize you are all retarded, right?you do realize you are all retarded, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75246403089258282892013-02-19T02:43:12.082-05:002013-02-19T02:43:12.082-05:00I have to laugh at all of this. All of this bicke...I have to laugh at all of this. All of this bickering back and forth over a five minute spot of a sermon. Granted this sermon did deal with giving . But it also said where the money is going and where it has gone. He even stated that most churches spend 60% on personnel while they spend 29%. Yes he does mention giving in other sermons, but that is not the only thing he teaches on! listen to more of his messages, listen to many others ! Get your fill of God's Word. <br />On a side note, the tithe was first mentioned in Genesis when Abram met a stranger and gave him a tithe. Please study this out if you have any questions. I do not have all the answers but the Bible does and greater men than me have done great research on this. I can not remember specifics but I do know it convinced me.Steven R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58659250536771837972013-02-19T02:42:02.381-05:002013-02-19T02:42:02.381-05:00I have to laugh at all of this. All of this bicke...I have to laugh at all of this. All of this bickering back and forth over a five minute spot of a sermon. Granted this sermon did deal with giving . But it also said where the money is going and where it has gone. He even stated that most churches spend 60% on personnel while they spend 29%. Yes he does mention giving in other sermons, but that is not the only thing he teaches on! listen to more of his messages, listen to many others ! Get your fill of God's Word. <br />On a side note, the tithe was first mentioned in Genesis when Abram met a stranger and gave him a tithe. Please study this out if you have any questions. I do not have all the answers but the Bible does and greater men than me have done great research on this. I can not remember specifics but I do know it convinced me.Steven R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42209151338418967132012-12-29T16:11:25.021-05:002012-12-29T16:11:25.021-05:00To: November 28, 2012 7:23 AM
Cant help but agree...To: November 28, 2012 7:23 AM<br /><br />Cant help but agree. These pastors/preachers have to be aware of their charisma and use it! They want women to be conservative in their attire but wear tight shirts tight jeans.....anything which accentuates! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26741001989350838972012-12-21T15:28:00.809-05:002012-12-21T15:28:00.809-05:00When James MacDonald is his "buddy" and ...When James MacDonald is his "buddy" and "mentor" it is no wonder he has this attitude. See www.theelephantsdebt.com for how James has dealt with the issue of money and power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14580054267588833012012-12-19T00:54:23.395-05:002012-12-19T00:54:23.395-05:00Yes! Elevation wants your money. $20 million to bu...Yes! Elevation wants your money. $20 million to build office space and a newer, bigger, better headquarters. My family are regular attendees at this infomercial of a church. However I cannot buy into what Furtick is SELLING!!!!! No transparency into what his take is from nearly $200k a week in workship service offerings, no transparency as to what his board of advisors (not elders) are paid. A board made up of the likes of Pastor Dino Rizzo (Healing Place Church- Baton Rouge, LA) <br />Dr. Jack Graham (Prestonwood Baptist Church- Plano, TX)<br />Pastor Perry Noble (Newspring Church- Anderson, SC)<br />Pastor Kevin Gerald (Champions Centre- Seattle, WA) <br />Pastor Stovall Weems (Celebration Church- Jacksonville, FL).<br /><br />With a board made up of his fellow mega church cronies and no representation for the people attending this church, I don't see how anyone with have a brain could buy into his latest promo "Banner years" without seeing real figures for salaries and detailed expenses before handing over their money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35268405655842516992012-12-13T09:30:40.188-05:002012-12-13T09:30:40.188-05:00Yes. tithe or the country will be cursed! I heard ...Yes. tithe or the country will be cursed! I heard this again by one of Jax's megas. They just have to keep up the slogan don't they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8011146999696693792012-12-06T19:44:34.552-05:002012-12-06T19:44:34.552-05:00These Emergent kids are funny. These Emergent kids are funny. Mr. Mcgranorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12851136550476241757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70281066976657029092012-12-05T12:30:31.989-05:002012-12-05T12:30:31.989-05:00Anon said: "It cracks me that while these car...Anon said: "It cracks me that while these carnival barker preachers will harp on giving them your "tithe", they conveniently neglect what the scripture actually says to do with your tithe:"<br /><br />Right. The scripture you quoted is about the "second tithe" or the tenth that is supposed to be saved to be eaten during the Feast of Booths. Tithe preachers neglect to mention this tithe or also the "third tithe" which is to be given twice every 7 years. Yes, Two out of seven years you are supposed to give 30% of your increase. <br /><br />But these preachers might say: "Oh but that is Old Covenant and not required today?" Exactly! The tithe isn't required! You can't demand 10% and neglect the rest of the law! 10% tithe obedience is a LIE! It is merely a source of arm-twisting to gain access to your pocketbooks. If they want to teach tithing obedience, they MUST teach that you must set aside 20-30% of your income, depending on the year. That's REAL old testament obedience.Marknoreply@blogger.com