tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3281188698044211209..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Did You Make the List?FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5123418573356136282008-12-05T15:31:00.000-05:002008-12-05T15:31:00.000-05:00Can you say FBCJax Gestapo.How about flyers on win...Can you say FBCJax Gestapo.<BR/><BR/>How about flyers on windshields on Sunday. Buy some drunks a 40 of the Bull (40 oz beer for all you baptist who don't drink) and let them paper the place. Gorilla marketing tactics. Do I need to come to Jacksonville and lead the revolt?The Dogs Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09425531149766027609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78759483367068016432008-12-05T10:29:00.000-05:002008-12-05T10:29:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62524979690391422012008-12-05T00:19:00.000-05:002008-12-05T00:19:00.000-05:00Anon 11:15 - it is not at all clear to me that the...Anon 11:15 - it is not at all clear to me that the current bylaws are invalid - I am quite certain that these men did things by the book. They are very smart men. My beef with the bylaw changes has always been the secretive nature, and the silence of the pastor. However, the trustees did announce the vote, they put the bylaws in the library for anyone to examine, and they told the congregation they could submit questions via email. So my hunch is that this was all done to comply with the method of changing the bylaws prescribed in the former version.<BR/><BR/>However, I still believe this manner was secretive, purposely minimizing distribution of and knowledge about the proposed changes. <BR/><BR/>And if the changes included a signficant difference in church governance (dissolving the finance committee and bringing those men into the "trustee" camp, and giving the pastor the power to nominate trustees, and creating a discipline committee, and giving the pastor the power to appoint the discipline committee), and not one single solitary word of explanation or summary of any of this...well that is just plain WRONG. Its "shady" at best. If, if this was only one of a few things the pastor did in his first few years here that was controversial, we might let it pass.<BR/><BR/>So I am not at all quick to say the bylaw changes are invalid, I would be shocked if they violated the old bylaws in making the changes. <BR/><BR/>But how can a church have a discipline committee if the pastor himself would not be subject to it? And how could there be a discipline committee if the congregation is not told there is one, and is told how they might bring a complaint to the discipline committee? How would a pastor be disciplined if he is the one appointing the members? <BR/><BR/>All questions to be asked as the trustees begin to lower the hammer on the bloggers.<BR/><BR/>Anon 11:30: whether it be the WD or bloggers or blog readers, let them come at us. I won't succomb to their pressures or their call to attend a discipline committee member should they ask. To use a Macism: "The last time I checked, the United States government said I had freedom of speech" (referring to Mac's famous statement in defense of his land gift and million dollar home: "Last time I checked, the United States government said I could live anywhere I wanted to, last time I checked.")<BR/><BR/>Anon 11:36 - no local reporters are interested in stories related to FBC Jax. Trust me. Even one that contacted me via email who has read this blog ...the only question he had was: "Why do you stay anonymnous, and isn't it un-Christian to accuse your fellow church members of sin in the blog?" No interest in the information here on the land gift, the nepotism, the bylaws. They're interested in the salacious, like sex sins such as the Gilyard case. But bylaws, land gifts, bloggers, trespass warnings, nah. Its boring church business.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88800777561552588792008-12-04T23:56:00.000-05:002008-12-04T23:56:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28062254203514147922008-12-04T23:36:00.000-05:002008-12-04T23:36:00.000-05:00Time for someone to suggest a local newsreporter l...Time for someone to suggest a local newsreporter look into this matter? The light thrown on the situation publicly could be just the thing to bring it all to an end quickly. Can be done anonymously by emailing any reporter for the local paper--and can be in the newspaper by Saturday morning, with reporters at the church house front doors on Sunday morning requesting interviews with the elected leaders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50495603414213392652008-12-04T23:30:00.000-05:002008-12-04T23:30:00.000-05:00If FBC's leadership believed it finally had identi...If FBC's leadership believed it finally had identified the WD, it probably would have acted as it did toward 11:51. Just another example of the lack of judgment on the part of those leaders. Where does the mismanagement end, and the humility and true teamwork of Christ's sake begin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52766291401452306942008-12-04T23:23:00.000-05:002008-12-04T23:23:00.000-05:00Anon 10:20Please go for it. We are behind you and ...Anon 10:20<BR/><BR/>Please go for it. We are behind you and support you. Blessings.<BR/><BR/>God never intended for this church to be so abused nor the people who love it and support His kingdom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32343374793235691122008-12-04T23:16:00.000-05:002008-12-04T23:16:00.000-05:00Thy peace, This is pure curiosity on my part becau...Thy peace,<BR/> This is pure curiosity on my part because I have friends in Philly.....do you have a church home there?? Do you mind sharing what area of Philly??? If you do...I understand...no problem :)gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45111328882433860932008-12-04T23:15:00.000-05:002008-12-04T23:15:00.000-05:00From what has been posted at this blogsite about F...From what has been posted at this blogsite about FBCJax's current bylaws it is clear that those bylaws were established in violation of the previous bylaws. Courts usually will hesitate to intervene in the affairs of a church; however, courts will intervene if a church's official documents are violated by its members, as the body as a body previously agreed to abide by them. It appears that FBC's trustee board, for whatever reason, has violated the previous bylaws and set itself up for difficult times to come if what has become the major theme of this thread is pursued by it. If or when the body general understands what has taken place--particularly in violation of the original bylaws--I would not want to be either a board member, a staff member, or a member of the pastor's family; things may be that bad. The Lord Jesus uttered the words recorded in Matthew 18, not for no good reason at all, but for His church to function by on a continual basis. Blessings to all--they will be needed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79661311963842399202008-12-04T22:41:00.000-05:002008-12-04T22:41:00.000-05:00To Anon 11:51am:I am very sorry that you have been...To Anon 11:51am:<BR/><BR/>I am very sorry that you have been fingered. I pray to Our Lord Jesus Christ to show His Mercies on you and your family.<BR/><BR/>From my reading, you are not WD. You do not own, operate this blog. So the accusations against you are baseless.<BR/><BR/>The only accusations against you are that you comment on this blog.<BR/><BR/>I do not think they can identify your comments as an Anon, until and unless you had previously contacted them through email and shared that info on this blog.<BR/><BR/>If that happened, that would be the only transgression, if any, you might have committed.<BR/><BR/>Of course, this need to be examined by checking the current bylaws. Also seeking some kind of legal counsel, if the current bylaws are valid. This would take time for legal counsel to pass judgement on its merits. But at least you need some outside party or legal counsel acting as in independent observer to go with you to this meeting.<BR/><BR/>Before you do ALL this, please pray to Our Lord Jesus Christ to fill you with His Grace. Since clearly you are not WD and you do not operate this blog, you do not have to fear.<BR/><BR/>They are clearly treating you as a pariah.<BR/><BR/>But as God's people, we should be calm and seek God's wisdom in this.<BR/><BR/>May God bless you Anon 11:51am.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64727570741654101672008-12-04T22:36:00.000-05:002008-12-04T22:36:00.000-05:00Anon 10:20- be VERY careful. Sign up for an anon Y...Anon 10:20- be VERY careful. Sign up for an anon Yahoo account and send it from there. It would be great for them to find out about all this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78567671359931909812008-12-04T22:20:00.000-05:002008-12-04T22:20:00.000-05:00Dog - do the "201" know about this letter that was...Dog - do the "201" know about this letter that was given to you? Do they know of the abuses of Mac? Are they aware of the efforts to silence you and us? Maybe I will send them an email since I am one of them. :) Most of them know nothing of this blog. But they will soon. Very soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1370453844568725922008-12-04T21:58:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:58:00.000-05:00Anon-Go to the meeting and secretly tape record th...Anon-<BR/><BR/>Go to the meeting and secretly tape record them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54901201485513488502008-12-04T21:32:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:32:00.000-05:00I agree. You don't need their permission to have a...I agree. You don't need their permission to have a witness...or councel. <BR/>Logical thinking tells us that if someone does anything legal against you....you better have legal councel yourself. <BR/>They are just being bullies because they feel so powerful and you asked them ....so of course they want to stack everything in their favor. They are playing God and it feels good to them.<BR/><BR/>You also don't need their permission to blog...unless they added something to the bylaws about blogging.<BR/>Since the new bylaws haven't been made public...how would you know that you "disobeyed" the bylaws anyway?????<BR/><BR/>The victim the BBC minister confessed to abusing asked several times for a meeting with SG and very specific people in the room. SG's refused because it wasn't the path of least resistance for him. He didn't want any fingers pointed at him.<BR/>They wanted everything in their favor...no respect or common decency for the victim.<BR/><BR/>I beg of you not to be controlled or degraded by putting yourself in a position of vulnerability with these business men.<BR/><BR/>If they DO in fact know your identity.....you are gone anyway...so why allow them to treat yu less than you deserve.<BR/><BR/>They have already gone against scripture....don't expect anything honorable out of these people.<BR/>They will not alow a blogger to get in the way of their "annointed" riches and rewards here on earth.<BR/><BR/>I'm very sad that JW stays there after being on the other side of this type of ungodly behavior.gmommyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11713588262748876624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75730365619474709832008-12-04T21:24:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:24:00.000-05:00Brunson, trustees, deacons and select few are now ...Brunson, trustees, deacons and select few are now classified as the "Gestapo."<BR/><BR/>I hope to spread the word through out the Internet blogsphere. Mac, Deb, Trey, Deacons, Trustees, A-Team deserve no less.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you must be tracking me, so you will be surprised!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66837768652992314162008-12-04T21:19:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:19:00.000-05:00Anon 11:51I am praying for you. They plan to inti...Anon 11:51<BR/><BR/>I am praying for you. They plan to intinadate you, use you as an example and discard you. Please hang in there.<BR/><BR/>When they identify me, they will will not want to hear the messages I can reveal.<BR/><BR/>Stay strong.<BR/><BR/>WD, keep us posted. I have family in Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, New York, Georgia and New Jesey who want to keep posted.<BR/><BR/>Expose me Brunson and your silly team! Your property is not God worthy now, so who would want to defile it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62519220559561678902008-12-04T21:04:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:04:00.000-05:00I cannot wait until this story is revealed to the ...I cannot wait until this story is revealed to the media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19188836920100238162008-12-04T21:03:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:03:00.000-05:00Mac Brunson is the pre-cursor to the anti-Christ a...Mac Brunson is the pre-cursor to the anti-Christ and the deacons and elite few are the henchmen. <BR/><BR/>Trace me if you will, you will find a well grounded individual who knows the In's and outs of not only FBCJ but the SBC. <BR/><BR/>Be careful where you tread. Your sins are in the open for others to reveal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56151209953791331792008-12-04T18:46:00.000-05:002008-12-04T18:46:00.000-05:00Anon 11:51,What they're saying about the meeting b...Anon 11:51,<BR/><BR/>What they're saying about the meeting being ecclesiastical and not legal is laughable. They are the ones who turned it into a legal issue by threatening to have you arrested for trespassing. You should just schedule meeting and then show up with an attorney. Put them on the spot to have to refuse to meet with you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21559734793169814572008-12-04T18:34:00.000-05:002008-12-04T18:34:00.000-05:00Anon 11:51 here again - yes, they say I own, manag...Anon 11:51 here again - <BR/><BR/>yes, they say I own, manage, and/or control, I authored or permitted to be authored they say information on this blogsite.<BR/><BR/>And they haven't told me what the basis is for the accusations yet. I am guessing they would tell me if I met with them in the meeting, but I'm waiting for a copy of they bylaws and for them to change their minds and allow me to either tape record it or bring in counsel with me and then I would gladly meet them. They told me this meeting with the six men of this committee is ecclastical in nature meaning its of a church business nature and not a legal nature and that is why I can't have representation at the meeting. I don't quite understand that logic since 6 on 1 or 6 on 2 (if my wife goes) when the 6 are powerful men in the church and I'm just a regular member. It seems that they could come out of that meeting and say anything they wanted and they would be believed. I don't have any reason to believe that they would lie about me, but I'm just trying to be wise about this. My common sense tells me meeting with 6 powerful men in the church alone with nobody to witness it when these men have issued trespass warnings agains me and my wife and sent a letter to me accusing me of a long list of sins wouldn't be wise. But if they are so powered by the pastor to do what they're doing I guess they can do it. They are saying don't come back here ever until you first meet with these six guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87644756670651321452008-12-04T18:07:00.000-05:002008-12-04T18:07:00.000-05:00So those are the words used to describe my sins to...<I>So those are the words used to describe my sins to be devisive at church because they say I'm owning or associated with this blog, and they for good measure tell me at the end of the long list that is not an exhaustive list of my sins, just a sample of my 'destructive behavior'.</I><BR/><BR/>Anon 11:51,<BR/><BR/>You mean they're accusing you of <I>being</I> the Watchdog? I thought they were accusing you of <I>commenting</I> on Watchdog's blog. LOL! Now that's funny. Well, not really funny. More like laughable. I wonder which of the geniuses up there deduced that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14608188483359065832008-12-04T17:59:00.000-05:002008-12-04T17:59:00.000-05:00Thy Peace,I'm not questioning you about what happe...Thy Peace,<BR/><BR/>I'm not questioning you about <I>what</I> happened but <I>how</I> someone could have altered the video feed so only you could see it, or did they splice it in and broadcast it to everyone watching? I do understand how IP addresses pinpoint your approximate location (or your identity if someone has access to the appropriate databases) and that trackers, for whatever reason, often show the wrong location. What I can't understand is how they could essentially hack into just your computer and show a different video from what everyone else was watching. I also can't believe we're even discussing all this! I hear strains of <I>The Twilight Zone</I> theme coming from my computer speakers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67352460629920561512008-12-04T17:56:00.000-05:002008-12-04T17:56:00.000-05:00Anon 11:51,Do you have any idea about how they ide...Anon 11:51,<BR/><BR/>Do you have any idea about how they identified you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53725843957072026872008-12-04T17:48:00.000-05:002008-12-04T17:48:00.000-05:00Hello Anon 2:56, anon 11:51 here: WD has the lette...Hello Anon 2:56, anon 11:51 here: <BR/><BR/>WD has the letter and may put it up here without names in it, but the letter doesn't accuse me of the sin of blogging because that's not a sin I dont think. Its the things that they accuse me of saying on the Internet that are the sins that I've committed they say. <BR/><BR/>The letter has a very long list of sins that Ive committed that reads like a lawyers inditment. No one has ever in my life accused me of such things, and no one at the church has spoken to me about these. The list wasnt mailed either, it was hand delivered by two staff members the eve before Thanksgiving, who first called and hung up on me to confirm I was home, then they rang the doorbell, I opened the door and invited them to come in as they are long time members and ministers that served for decades dated back to Lindsay, men that I admire and respect greatly, one that used to be my Sunday School teacher. They refused my invitation to come in, but just handed me a letter in a sealed envelope on my front porch and told me to read the contents and then they left. <BR/><BR/>The list in the letter is too long to give here, but I could give the buzz words used in the 3 page list of my sins:<BR/><BR/>derogatory<BR/><BR/>divisive<BR/><BR/>destructive<BR/><BR/>demeaning<BR/><BR/>definance<BR/><BR/>accused<BR/><BR/>dishonesty<BR/><BR/>disregard<BR/><BR/>defy<BR/><BR/>contempt<BR/><BR/>without restraint<BR/><BR/>questioned without factual basis<BR/><BR/>discouraged<BR/><BR/>cast doubt<BR/><BR/>criticized<BR/><BR/>belittled<BR/><BR/>retribution<BR/><BR/>jeopardize the security<BR/><BR/>belitted and ridiculed<BR/><BR/>strongly urged<BR/><BR/>disseminate<BR/><BR/>anonymously<BR/><BR/>refused<BR/><BR/>threaten unity and harmony<BR/><BR/>innappropriate<BR/><BR/>divisive<BR/><BR/>destructive conduct<BR/><BR/>subversive conduct<BR/><BR/>public sin<BR/><BR/>willfully and repeatedly committed<BR/><BR/>So those are the words used to describe my sins to be devisive at church because they say I'm owning or associated with this blog, and they for good measure tell me at the end of the long list that is not an exhaustive list of my sins, just a sample of my 'destructive behavior'. So I guess they have more sins and maybe will tell me what they are if I meet with the committee of 6 guys that I don't know. As I understand it, people that have read the letter and the trespass warnings tell me that until I meet with this committee I will be arrested as will my wife if we ever set foot again at our church where our kids have been raised and baptized and served. <BR/><BR/>And let me throw this in about the meeting with the committee - after staying up with the Sheri Klouda situation I know what happens when regular people talk to power people without representation. The powerful person can represent the conversation anyway they like and people will believe them. Imagine me in a closed room with 6 men that I do not know, but that I know are very powerful men in the church based on their position and affiliation with the pastor. I need someone with me I think at least to make sure nothing said is misrepresented later. The church told me that never will I ever be allowed to have representation at any of these meetings, ever, period. The link above that someone has submitted on this site sent chills down my spine as I read it, and am so very glad that I didn't let these guys bully me into submitting to their demand to meet with them as a condition to attend church services last night to see my daughter sing.<BR/><BR/>But as I've said I would meet with this committee if they first tell me why they are accusing me of these things, if they give me a copy of the bylaws that explain my rights and responsibilities having to do with this committee - and what their rights and responsbilities are as a committee - and if they agree to at the very least let me take an independent witness into the meeting with me. But they've told me no, so I'm banned from my church as is my wife, I guess forever. And she ain't happy about it, as she can't accompany her kids to their activities at church. I guess they'll also issue trespass warnings on my kids, and other friends and relatives that "associate" with me since that is the sin they are accusing her of worthy of a ban from the property. My kids associate with me, as do my friends and relatives. <BR/><BR/>Sorry to ramble here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36541118193985516702008-12-04T17:24:00.000-05:002008-12-04T17:24:00.000-05:00It's very easy to identify the city you are from y...It's very easy to identify the city you are from your IP address. The tracker on WD's site is mostly accurate. For reasons I explained earlier, I seem to come from europe or california. But the video streams, they would have done it correctly as coming from philadelphia.<BR/><BR/>I am not upset over it. At that time (about 3 months ago) I was. But now, it's actually a blessing in disguise.<BR/><BR/>I have discovered through WD's blog, other blogs and richer SBC theological discourses on blog sites. So on the whole, I have been richer after this incident.<BR/><BR/>I am not angry with anyone. I only wish the best for fbcjax.<BR/><BR/>I feel if the leadership only allowed participation of the sheep in the decisions of the management and allowed dissent, the Church would be a richer place.<BR/><BR/>Elder rule vs. Congregation rule : Elder rule might work IF they allowed for transparency in their operations.<BR/><BR/>I am sure all these questions will be brought up in the next month as this member who is being brought before the discipline committee for blogging comments on this blog site.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.com