tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3377528100080877570..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Ronnie Floyd - the Next SBC President - Endorses Robert Morris' "First Fruits Cursings" TeachingFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13594123636808634472015-06-22T13:17:40.568-04:002015-06-22T13:17:40.568-04:00All: I just have one question when the bible says...All: I just have one question when the bible says to and it is Jesus whom said it. Give what is God God's and give what is Ceaser Ceasers. What do you think he was talking about? God says very clearly in the old testament to bring your first fruits to him. Where do you think the to him is? <br /><br />If you dont think that is the church then you really need to get your bible out and read it. It doesnt mean to support your family first etc. <br /><br />You folks need really to wake up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29783988783529061632015-03-07T20:32:08.692-05:002015-03-07T20:32:08.692-05:00(cont. from above)
**Finally, these figures requi...(cont. from above)<br /><br />**Finally, these figures require some context. I must remind readers that there are some aspects of each of these positions as prominent representatives of the SBC that do, to a degree, justify a certain range of salary. <br /><br />In good conscience however, I can no longer justify the degree to which these salaries have increased. However, let me offer a few areas that do place upon the elected individual a financial burden. That burden is a direct result of their appointment. Some revel in the new luxury, while others have sought to invest responsibly and ought to be celebrated for that. <br /><br />Clothing: Individuals, in order to represent the SBC with "class" is asked to dress in a fashion that brings some expense - not only the number of suits but the quality of suits required means that salary reflects this cost. This may seem trivial, but in order to work with and develop relationships among those able to contribute financially to the SBC there is some truth to the mantra that "you have to spend money to make money." Southern Baptists need to understand that some realities these leaders experience, while regrettable, do often upset the individual themselves. <br /><br />Some seminary presidents work to avoid excesses (Ex. Dr. Patterson maintained an expense account that his successor, I believe, could not in good conscience accept. i.e. big game hunting expeditions for his "team" were re-directed to staff who are underpaid). This should be offset by the extent to which those trips also resulted in major donations to the institution involved. For example, Southeastern was able to build a new building because of the fundraising that Dr. Patterson accomplished. It is aptly named, "Patterson Hall." <br /><br />Others do not. Dr. Mohler, as is well know, will only wear a tie twice. After he has worn it twice, he gives it away to seminary students who sign up to receive one of his ties for free. Since he makes so many appearances, he does not want to be seen in "the same outfit." This is a common practice and readers should be aware that he often receives ties for free. Still, Dr. Mohler will not sign his name or any document without a proper fountain pen. These range in cost from $120 - $600. <br /><br />Each seminary president also gets to decorate their "mansion." Their personal library allowance can also be considerable. For example, Dr. Mohler is provided a personal librarian who works 20-25 hrs. per week to organize his personal, at-home library (i.e. re-stock books he has used, document and file new books etc). He has over 20,000 volumes. Again, many of these books he does not pay for. However, his account allows for him to spend around $5,000 annually on new books. Faculty receive around $1,000 for each year. <br /><br />Regarding faculty, for the most part the faculty at SBC seminaries are dramatically underpaid. Often, their positions require them to work a second part-time of full-time position. Some accomplish this by pastoring others through their writing. Now, being on faculty at an SBC seminary does provide a platform for them, but it also potentially affects the oversight and investment in the classroom (virtual or physical) experience. They are men and women who ought to be held in high esteem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80792346499620603922015-03-07T20:31:14.146-05:002015-03-07T20:31:14.146-05:00As a former SBC pastor who served in GA and Alabam...As a former SBC pastor who served in GA and Alabama and then on the Executive Committee of the SBC, I affirm that the following salary ranges are what I learned from personal experience serving or from conversation with persons directly involved with institutions named. <br /><br />One should know that salaries are reported/given/itemized in a manner that safeguards their true value. Strictest confidence is enforced for those "brought in" under penalty of threat with legal repercussions for those who violate confidentiality agreement. I've simply lived too long to have any regard for such things. This should affect how my comments are read, but rather than hide them, I offer this bias at the outset. It has not, in this case, affected my report. <br /><br />1. SBC President - ~ $500,000 (stipend/"one-time-gift" from which he pays for his own travel and related expenses unless covered by the church/institution; often expenses range between $70,000 - $115,000 and presidents typically underwrite SBC Pastor's conference and occasionally make large charitable contributions to other SBC entities- I know of one president who gave every last dime at the end of his term).<br /><br />2. SBC Seminary Presidents: <br /> a. Southern - < $723,000 (radio included)<br /> b. Southeastern - < $300,000 (salary)<br /> c. Southwestern - < $540,000 (salary only)<br />*cannot give president salary with any confidence on other seminaries. <br /> <br />3. IMB: As I recall, it is between $145,000 - $170,000. <br /><br />As a side note, for frame of reference, when Dr. David Platt left Brook Hills, their budget for pastors (on the executive leadership level-that consists of 3-5 individuals) dropped by more than $180,000. <br /><br />4. NAMB: Less confident here, but minimum salary for two most recent presidents (not including current president) < $150,000 - $180,000.<br /><br />*You are, of course, free to edit the comment where my estimations are offered with some caution as documentation is less certain. I do not meant to give fixed rates, but rather a verified range so that Southern Baptists can have a better idea of how their offerings are being directed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71980166980714809492015-01-16T13:36:14.052-05:002015-01-16T13:36:14.052-05:00What I find humorous in a sad way about the tithe ...What I find humorous in a sad way about the tithe to be blessed folks is that stress that the OT (where tithing was required) stresses the 10% rule. The ones I have debated have always said that the OT tithe is 10% and that we need to bring the "whole tithe" to God's storehouse. But what these "scholars" don't get is that there were three required tithes in the OT. That's right, three tithes. So depending on how one of the tithes was calculated (the tithe on the tithe), one could owe between 22% and 30% of one's income. So these folks are not even enforcing the tithe of the OT as they claim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2418128813575468572014-09-08T18:24:41.059-04:002014-09-08T18:24:41.059-04:00I was researching this man because he endorsed the...I was researching this man because he endorsed the false teacher that came out of our church and is now in San Antonio getting ready to divide another church body. I was curious to see what kind of man would endorse him. Did he do his due diligence before he endorsed him? Did he know that our church was planning on letting him go when suddenly God "called him" to another church? I guess I wasn't too surprised to find out these things. <br /><br /> These men are creating and building their own kingdoms and not the Kingdom of God. It is disheartening and at times disgusting. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80542116814963471082014-06-11T04:11:24.124-04:002014-06-11T04:11:24.124-04:005/31/14 at 9:02 a.m Anonymous said...
"I...5/31/14 at 9:02 a.m Anonymous said...<br /><br /> "I certainly appreciate freedom of speech and anyone's ability to post their opinions online. I'm just curious as to the purpose of this blog. Is it for the glory of God or out of hatred for someone or some people?"<br /><br />The purpose of this blog is for people like you, myself and others to read and comment on - it's available to you and anyone else. It's a forum for people to communicate and express their opinions. The author of the blog has as much right to critique a doctrine as any pastor has to declare it from his pulpit. False doctrine is harmful to the Body of Christ. False doctrine doesn't glorify God....so if light can be shed on it so that it's exposed, then I think the truth is revealed and that to me does glorify God. I for one seek out the opinions of others with regard to scriptural teaching. I know enough about Scripture to realize that I have not received the entire teaching on tithing at the Southern Baptist church I attended, or in any other church I attended. However, when I attended the SB church, tithing and membership were constant themes. Our pastor said if you are not going to be a member - you have to ask yourself "why am I coming here?" I can see now from this blog that among the SB leadership, tithing is a prominent theme and that explains it's emphasis in the church I attended.Shilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00238711250893037606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62711526671426752592014-05-31T09:02:18.011-04:002014-05-31T09:02:18.011-04:00I certainly appreciate freedom of speech and anyon...I certainly appreciate freedom of speech and anyone's ability to post their opinions online. I'm just curious as to the purpose of this blog. Is it for the glory of God or out of hatred for someone or some people? There is nothing on this blog that appears to glorify God in my opinion. Having a blog to bash others seems to do no good at all. This blog does nothing to "expose" something that needs to be exposed. It's just a blog to bash others. It's completely fine and normal for people to disagree on a subject but to hide behind a blog to bash people seems a bit weak to me. It does nothing positive. It exposes your hatred of others. You come across as someone who thinks you're holier than everyone else or you hate Christians. If you hate Christians and people who preach the Gospel, then that's your deal and you're free to have this blog that makes it apparent that you hate Christians. If you think your blog is some noble attempt to expose the sin of others publicly, the irony is that you've just created a waste of space for some haters to post their hate messages of others. If your goal is to glorify God and create a useful blog that communicates a spiritual message that you want others to hear and grow in their walk with the Lord, I might encourage you to speak that message rather than regular posts about pastors who you disagree with or hate. The hatred you are displaying through this blog is hurting no one but yourself. Having that type of attitude in your heart cannot be good for your health. <br /><br />By the way, I'm sure you know this but there are more verses in the Bible on money and possessions than there are love, faith, and salvation. Over half of Jesus' parables dealt with money and possessions. The central theme is that God knows that where we choose to put our money is where our heart is. So preaching messages that stress the importance of giving our tithes and offerings is simply preaching the Bible. If you would rather preachers not preach about that, then you're not interested in one of the most important things the Bible teaches. <br />If you have a problem with a specific person, it would seem to me that the more mature thing to do would be to go to that person and seek to address your issue with them in person one on one. Or another option is to forget about them. Just don't listen to their messages any more. There are thousands of people on any given Sunday preaching to Gospel. Go listen to someone you like. Stop bashing the people you don't like... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41773730546073123842014-04-16T18:36:40.612-04:002014-04-16T18:36:40.612-04:00Dear Wish id known,
$102,034 is what a mega pastor...Dear Wish id known,<br />$102,034 is what a mega pastor spends on landscaping or his daughters business or upgrading his boat or in travelling to the next love offering.<br /><br />God has left the building and so have I!<br /><br />cavedwellerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5415158810862955452014-03-26T02:55:23.738-04:002014-03-26T02:55:23.738-04:00off topic but I just want to say I LoVE your profi...off topic but I just want to say I LoVE your profile, particularly the films and books and music. Woof! <br />I needed another laugh today. :)Barbara Robertshttp://notunderbondage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38042552762588559452014-03-14T22:56:42.452-04:002014-03-14T22:56:42.452-04:00NEWBBC Forum: I referred to Stanley's sermon o...NEWBBC Forum: I referred to Stanley's sermon on encouraging simply to contrast the fact that so many pastors never "encourage" but rather they discourage their members. I am totally against NT tithing simply because the Pauline Epistles never mentions the subject. Just to clarify and thanks for your blog and comments you always bring to our attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24646176714200419162014-03-14T01:33:49.020-04:002014-03-14T01:33:49.020-04:00What was Reagan known for, trust but verify. What was Reagan known for, trust but verify. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65675285112447426062014-03-13T08:59:19.005-04:002014-03-13T08:59:19.005-04:00Dr. Stanley had a good sermon this evening on cabl...<i>Dr. Stanley had a good sermon this evening on cable about being an encourager. Tithing is discouraging. Pastors need to trust God and build up their members and quit worrying about the almighty dollar.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.veoh.com/watch/v53397161HgdZbSAe" rel="nofollow">Charles Stanley is one of the most vocal tithing advocates around today</a>. I've heard him preach on tithing many times and how God will not fully bless you if you don't "obey" Him by tithing.<br /><br />Then there's his infamous <a href="http://www.veoh.com/watch/v53396629rFStQQbj" rel="nofollow">car story</a> which I've heard him tell several times. (It begins about 5 minutes into that clip.) How many of us, if our car was totalled, would have the luxury of "waiting on God" until some rich benefactor came along and <i>gave</i> us "a very nice automobile"? I dare say most of us would still be walking!<br /><br />Oh, and Charles Stanley is one of several others, including Adrian Rogers, who has already been immortalized in stained glass at SWBTS. I would hope that Adrian Rogers, were he still living, would have refused to be a part of this lunacy, but sadly, I've concluded that he probably would have "humbly" gone along with it. If I were Joyce Rogers and the Rogers family I would have respectfully requested that my husband/father be excluded, but apparently none of them did.<br /><br />These men were/are very proud of their "takeover" of the SBC. Unfortunately, today the SBC is reaping the rewards of that takeover, and their "leaders" are reaping great monetary rewards as a result.<br /><br />I'm old enough to remember what was going on in the '70s. "Libruls" had invaded our Southern Baptist seminaries and were filling our "preacher boys'" minds full of bad, unbiblical doctrine. Something HAD to be done! Paige Patterson and Paul Pressler were household names back then and would "save" the SBC from this terrible threat.<br /><br />I'm sad to say I and a whole lot of other people believed it. I'm convinced had we had the internet then their plans would have been thwarted, but back then our only sources of information were the biased state Southern Baptist newletters, the very biased <i>Baptist Press</i>, and our local churches whose pastors were parroting what they'd read and heard through the grapevine.<br /><br />The internet = the great equalizer.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57922481911768826082014-03-11T22:31:27.162-04:002014-03-11T22:31:27.162-04:00Messianic friend of mine stated this to me. How i...Messianic friend of mine stated this to me. How is it that evangelical Protestant preachers will demand the tithe is for today but the other laws like Sabbath worship and a Christ oriented Passover service is TOTALLY ignored? The tithe is only for the Tax system in Israel. Support the poor in your congregations preachers and don't let Obama do it for you. Can you not see Obamacare as the hand of discipline on the churches of America? God is on the throne, get off yours. You have nine months left to figure this out rich preachers.<br /><br />JeremyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66623458187727269202014-03-11T21:23:50.797-04:002014-03-11T21:23:50.797-04:00I base my thesis on median income which means half...I base my thesis on median income which means half of the people make less and half of the people make more. To me this seems more than reasonable, especially if you double it. Personally, I think the median $51,017 is appropriate but I know no one will go for that. Anonymous, I am not sure how the million dollar amount comes in, to me the $102, 034 is the maximum.<br /><br />“And how would one make such awards? Is it based on number of members or the size of the budget?”<br /><br />I base it on 1 Timothy 5:17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.<br /><br />Anonymous, like I said in my posting, in a previous discussion someone else asserted that the double honor actually means double pay. Personally, I disagree with that interpretation but hey if you are going to put it out there I am more than happy to use it. Therefore I made my proposal of using median income. I do not know of a better way. $102, 034 is a lot of money, probably more than what 95% of what the members make. It is also a lot of pay for a job that is supposed to be a calling and a job “I didn’t take for the money.”<br /><br />Do you have a better way that is at least loosely based on scripture?<br /><br />This is great though, in at least three years no one has challenged me on this, so thank you. Also, if you are going to post a lot, could you get a screen name so we can tell you from the other anonymous posters? Thanks in advance.<br />WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58966194639858353722014-03-11T12:06:57.574-04:002014-03-11T12:06:57.574-04:00Once upon a time, not long ago, SBC published guid...Once upon a time, not long ago, SBC published guidelines for a pastor salary were basically to figure out the 60th percentile of income from work in the congregation -- the income level that 60% earned less than and 40% earned more than, and treat that as the gross income from being pastor, counting housing allowance and salary. Benefits above that should match what was common in the community for health care, retirement, etc. Many churches also provided some additional if the pastor was filing as self-employed, to cover the additional SE social security tax.<br /><br />There was also some adjustment suggested for a congregation with a seminary trained pastor and a non-college background membership, to reflect the lower likely wages of the latter.<br /><br />All of which does not sound like double of anything.<br />An Attorneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7664391085817219592014-03-11T00:02:18.180-04:002014-03-11T00:02:18.180-04:00Wishihadknown Honor does not mean money. It means ...Wishihadknown Honor does not mean money. It means honor. Most importantly the double honor applies when the elder always speaks the truth, is a prayer warrior, handles weddings and funerals, visits the sick, visits in homes and does not "count the costs" but rather attempts within every fiber of his being to please God rather than men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46519723386027454392014-03-10T00:11:20.172-04:002014-03-10T00:11:20.172-04:00Anon 8:58 PM. The average wage 2000 years ago was ...Anon 8:58 PM. The average wage 2000 years ago was a penny per day. Your assumption that pastors should make over $100k per year is pure fantasy. There are individuals who make over a million dollars per year so according to your suggestion possibly pastors should be given two million per year. And how would one make such awards? Is it based on number of members or the size of the budget? The former elders worked for their wages and took no funds from the groups they taught the Word. This is a slippery slope if there was one!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22328347688969351282014-03-09T20:58:37.920-04:002014-03-09T20:58:37.920-04:00“How should a church member give?”
2 Corinthians ...“How should a church member give?”<br /><br />2 Corinthians 9:7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.<br /><br />“When should a church member not give?”<br /><br />Same answer, 2 Corinthians 9:7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.<br /><br />“Should a pastor get paid and to what standard should this aligned with?”<br /><br />1 Timothy 5:17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. In previous discussions it was asserted that “double honor” actually means double pay. That being said, median income in the United States in 2012 was $51,017 so double pay is $102,034. I dare say that $102,034 is far more than most church members make and I believe it is more than fair.<br /><br />“Should church members expect the church to do certain things in certain ways if they do not give money to support the ministry?”<br /><br />How much money does a person have to give to buy God’s grace?<br /><br />“Is Jesus interested in the giving which comes from our abundance or our poverty? (I guess this poverty means where it has a personal cost to us) On this question I read in the Bible that Jesus isn't criticizing the ones who gave from their abundance but applauding the one that gave from her poorness. The story I am referring to shows Jesus rejoicing and using as a lesson a woman who gave much more than a tithe. I find it interesting and challenging.”<br /><br />Oh, if only Lydia was still posting, she’d be all over this one. First, under the law, money was not given. Second, under the law, widows and the poor were not to give, in fact, a second tithe was given to support the widows and the poor. Therefore, Jesus is pointing out religious leaders’ hypocrisy and disobedience. <br />WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61032621156742559952014-03-09T00:13:00.052-05:002014-03-09T00:13:00.052-05:00Dr. Stanley had a good sermon this evening on cabl...Dr. Stanley had a good sermon this evening on cable about being an encourager. Tithing is discouraging. Pastors need to trust God and build up their members and quit worrying about the almighty dollar. When Jesus returns all these edifices to man will be done away with. Jesus met people in their homes, in the streets. on hillsides, and at the well. If He wanted the bodies of believers to build big churches He would have said so. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75368286027127313602014-03-07T16:39:22.642-05:002014-03-07T16:39:22.642-05:00http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/20...http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/2014/03/interview-with-brewton-parkers-ergun-caner-by-j-gerald-harris-editor-published-march-6-2014-joe-westbury-index-r.html<br /><br />Oh my, double down? Haven't done anything wrong so don't need to repent!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20243970860875480562014-03-07T15:09:43.461-05:002014-03-07T15:09:43.461-05:00Let me point out something else as I am filling up...Let me point out something else as I am filling up my gas tank. It took selling my oil stock to finally understand the fallacy of prosperity tithing. I have almost sold all my savings to live and I still give some too. But here is the problem with tithe teaching...its based on the idea that a welfare tithe is given every third year. That means an assembly is watching out for the needy and has the funds to do so because 15 percent of the budget (when you average it out on the calendar) is there to do so. Tithing can't be taught anyother way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91839671656398370322014-03-06T14:21:06.639-05:002014-03-06T14:21:06.639-05:00This is all Law. I thought the Church was under Gr...This is all Law. I thought the Church was under Grace. Anonymoushttp://mikeratliff.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12838917382296360622014-03-06T13:22:38.112-05:002014-03-06T13:22:38.112-05:00How should a church member give?
When should a ch...How should a church member give?<br /><br />When should a church member not give?<br /><br />Should a pastor get paid and to what standard should this aligned with?<br /><br />Should church members expect the church to do certain things in certain ways if they do not give money to support the ministry?<br /><br />Is Jesus interested in the giving which comes from our abundance or our poverty? (I guess this poverty means where it has a personal cost to us) On this question I read in the Bible that Jesus isn't criticizing the ones who gave from their abundance but applauding the one that gave from her poorness.The story I am referring to shows Jesus rejoicing and using as a lesson a woman who gave much more than a tithe. I find it interesting and challenging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33518078607233474502014-03-06T10:52:43.290-05:002014-03-06T10:52:43.290-05:00This article by Wade Burleson was cited in this ar...This article by Wade Burleson was cited in this article:<br /><br /><br />Ronnie Floyd - the Next SBC President - Endorses Robert Morris' "First Fruits Cursings" Teaching<br /><br />http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2014/03/ronnie-floyd-next-sbc-president.html<br /> <br />But the problem is not just Ronnie Floyd:<br /><br />My highest commendation to FBC Jax Watchman for blowing the whistle on Ronnie Floyd and this evil SBC empire!<br /><br />Virtually every President of the SBC and Presidents of every SBC Seminary in the last 10+ years are Warrenites and promote compulsory tithing covenants of its members. Dr. Russell Kelly, who did his Phd on Tithing, demolishes this stronghold and Purpose Driven Plague, including Ronnie Floyd. Kelly's book and film documentary refutes them all and proves why they should all be disqualified from the ministry. The SBC upon discovering the Word of Faith Movement aphrodisiac, are now drunk with power in an orgy of spiritual abuse, the Judaizers in Galatians could only dream of such power and corruption, that Paul eternally damned.<br /><br />Here is Russell Kelly's film documentary:<br />"TITHING IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE"<br />Tithing is Not a Christian Doctrine" <br />http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/post/category/tithing/<br /><br />And here is his 285 book on tithing:<br />"SHOULD THE CHURCH TEACH TITHING"<br />http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf<br /><br /><br />Now Rick Warren has boasted that his Purpose Driven Life book is "the bestselling non-fiction hardback book in history", now disproven as fraudulent at:<br /><br />http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/post/is-rick-warrens-claim-that-his-book-is-the-best-selling-non-fiction-hardback-book-in-history-true/<br /><br />This report was sent to current SBC President Fred Luter, Jr., and every member of the SBC Executive Committee, thinking TRUTH matters. Their response: "The Southern Baptist Convention does not renounce individuals." Feb 25, 2014<br /><br />Can anyone say ICHABOD has fallen upon the SBC? <br /><br />James Sundquist<br />Director<br />http://www.perfectpeaceplan.comJames Sundquisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017076574459769592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3509559830325766332014-03-06T08:41:27.526-05:002014-03-06T08:41:27.526-05:00Listen. You sheep are so gullible that you are pro...Listen. You sheep are so gullible that you are proud to proclaim that you "believe it all from Genesis to Maps." Talking donkeys? Yes sir! Sun standing still? Absolutely? An ark with two of every kind of creature? Yes! A whale swallowing a man and spitting him up in a designated place? Truth! A man strolling across water? Check. Dead bodies coming out of their graves after the crucifixion? Yes indeed. <br /><br />Not only do you proudly believe it all, but you are not to ever question it or doubt it! So,...stay with me here,...these men KNOW you will not question what they tell you is required by God in the way of giving your money to their congregation. <br /><br />If you won't question any of the above things in the bible, why would you suddenly start thinking and reasoning when it comes to something so important as real money? You won't. And if you do, you will be shunned, labeled as attacking, told you are not a man, and pronounced as non-Christian and "not knowing the God I know."<br /><br />So, you all deserve these guys! You brought it on yourselves. Enjoy! I mean wasn't that why you were saved...to add staff and build more, and bigger, and nicer buildings? Amen and amen. Suckers!Thornoreply@blogger.com