tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3893575140082614273..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Greater Love Hath No Pastor Than When He Removeth His Sheep From His Slandereth Lawsuit - Some Thoughts on the Julie Anne Smith CaseFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3469840281443012172017-10-15T16:18:03.886-04:002017-10-15T16:18:03.886-04:00From what I hear the place is still a cult. Some ...From what I hear the place is still a cult. Some ppl cannot even see their own grandkids because of the shunning crap that is going on.terriergalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08801794520433439408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56953571554948981972012-06-15T14:28:02.204-04:002012-06-15T14:28:02.204-04:00You know, it's entirely possible that NO ONE m...You know, it's entirely possible that NO ONE made a specific report about this so called pastor to Children's Services.<br /><br />I suspect that during the investigation of the original complaint, Children's Services was concerned enough to start a second investigation of the pastor based on what they learned about him advising others NOT TO REPORT. <br /><br />And it's also possible he's lying about the scope of the investigation of his own family. He doesn't seem particularly credible based on what I have seen and heard up to this point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59707629287488325102012-06-08T10:45:30.131-04:002012-06-08T10:45:30.131-04:00@NewBBC
I'm glad Richard Land is being discip...<i>@NewBBC<br /><br />I'm glad Richard Land is being disciplined for something.<br /><br />Read how he treated Christa Brown: http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2009/10/hollywood-and-baptistland.html</i><br /><br />I remember that, and Land's behavior towards Christa was deplorable. My point was that the SBC chooses <i>this</i> to "discipline" someone over while they've ignored clergy sex abuse forever. I suppose something is better than nothing, but I'm reminded of the people who stayed at Bellevue through the whole Paul Williams flap and explained away that and a myriad of other serious issues but clutched their pearls and bolted out the doors when Steve Gaines changed the church mission statement from a long blurb Adrian Rogers wrote years ago to a short, 4-phrase, 8-word statement which was drilled into people weekly and printed everywhere. Prior to that you would have been hard pressed to find anyone who even knew there was a church mission statement, much less read it. I mean, <i>that</i> was their final straw? Sometimes I marvel at some people's priorities.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47080734928427526722012-06-07T02:55:44.200-04:002012-06-07T02:55:44.200-04:00One very important point that has been largely ove...One very important point that has been largely overlooked is the actual reason the pastor was probably investigated. A pastor is considered a mandatory reporter by law. This means that if he knew of sexual abuse for 8 months and did not report it to the authorities he was breaking the law and could potentially have faced prosecution. His only "salvation" was that courts are notoriously loath to prosecute pastors. In addition, if the family supported the silence, then they would be hostile witnesses and are really the only reliable source in court for what the pastor actually knew. The pastor, of course, would not self-incriminate.Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2229841890903109482012-06-06T08:31:25.387-04:002012-06-06T08:31:25.387-04:00Re "I have seen apostates just rail on a past...Re "I have seen apostates just rail on a pastor for not agreeing to a paint color in a Sunday School room." at 1:14pm<br /><br />I really doubt that.<br /><br />I don't believe those urban legends about scandals over paint, carpet, or curtains. They make for "poor preacher, look what I have to deal with" sermon illustrations but they are just exaggerated nonsense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17764325891921835952012-06-05T22:10:46.340-04:002012-06-05T22:10:46.340-04:00Julie Anne,
Thank you for filling in the blanks. ...Julie Anne,<br /><br />Thank you for filling in the blanks. I'm sorry to hear the mother has chosen to defend the pastor at the expense of her children--the victims. I agree she probably didn't fully understand the ramifications of going along with this plan. Having a son who has sexually abused/raped her daughters has made her particularly vulnerable to the pastor's manipulative exploits. <br /><br />Unfortunately, I've seen this happen before--the mother protects and defends the abusive pastor/church. The price tag is high, although she doesn't see the cost yet. And I can only imagine the price O'Neal and his defenders will eventually pay. It may seem like the beat marches on for them, but the bible is clear that there are serious consequences for those who abuse and betray children.Wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47149727886770383512012-06-05T21:38:09.122-04:002012-06-05T21:38:09.122-04:00I would encourage all the people who see "hat...I would encourage all the people who see "hate" in this blog to read these:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.wadeburleson.org/2009/03/lessons-in-dealing-with-disgruntled.html" rel="nofollow">Wade Burleson > Lessons in Dealing with a Disgruntled Member</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.wadeburleson.org/2012/01/our-problem-is-authoritarianism-and-not.html" rel="nofollow">Wade Burleson > Our Problem Is Authoritarianism and Not Legalism</a>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49736168136628251272012-06-05T21:31:09.731-04:002012-06-05T21:31:09.731-04:00Cult Master O'Neal's minions must be in a ...Cult Master O'Neal's minions must be in a state of total desperation if the last few displays of their blithering idiocy is the best public defense of their Overlord they can produce.The Other Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2542128256029170882012-06-05T19:39:25.905-04:002012-06-05T19:39:25.905-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28974900790742735882012-06-05T15:20:01.533-04:002012-06-05T15:20:01.533-04:00Julie Anne is in need of some help with legal expe...Julie Anne is in need of some help with legal expenses. If you can, please go to her blog and find how you can support her in this matter. Every little bit will help. And, perhaps, they will win the SLAPP motion and get her legal fees paid, so in a cosmic sense, it may be a loan.Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91579672742211738622012-06-05T13:14:27.304-04:002012-06-05T13:14:27.304-04:00Dawg - this JA character is really just over the l...Dawg - this JA character is really just over the line. I have seen apostates just rail on a pastor for not agreeing to a paint color in a Sunday School room. This whole thing is well beyond the point of ridiculous. <br /><br />If you were in O'Neals shoes you would do the same thing as he is doing. <br /><br />The lawsuit is the only way out. She is not going to shut up and leave everyone in peace until some judge educates her on the difference in free speech and slander. <br /><br />Ya'll leave this poor family alone and please do not print names and back links to articles with that information. You know she is coming out with that next. <br /><br />So destructive and irrelevent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43561018299098153462012-06-05T10:27:25.682-04:002012-06-05T10:27:25.682-04:00The name FBC JAX Watchdog should definitely be kep...The name FBC JAX Watchdog should definitely be kept. You should do a post about how FBC JAX allowed David Hyles to be a member.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8095929790454116062012-06-05T10:22:03.987-04:002012-06-05T10:22:03.987-04:00@NewBBC
I'm glad Richard Land is being discip...@NewBBC<br /><br />I'm glad Richard Land is being disciplined for something.<br /><br />Read how he treated Christa Brown: http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2009/10/hollywood-and-baptistland.htmlJamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88644971945559855842012-06-05T08:39:14.033-04:002012-06-05T08:39:14.033-04:00"be ready to give any man answer when questio..."be ready to give any man answer when question" is referring to always telling people in Whom your hope lies. I Peter 3:15<br /><br />It does not mean we have to answer every question ever asked of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48290934051484659922012-06-04T14:49:41.665-04:002012-06-04T14:49:41.665-04:00See Mac Brunson still has some bitterness towards ...See Mac Brunson still has some bitterness towards the Florida Times Union, one announcing he no longer takes the newspaper and two, refusing to meet with Mark Woods, a journalist whose late father was a Baptist preacher - all he wanted was to get Brunson's opinion on a matter - my bible says be ready to give any man answer when question. Talk about gun shy, that's good old Mac!<br /><br />June 4, 2012 10:30 AM<br />___________________________________<br />This just proves that this blog was NEVER about anonymous bloggers and "cowards." The point is if you are not drinking the kool-aid, you get ex-communicated, threatened and investigated if you are a member and ignored and criticized if you are a reputable journalist working for the Times-Union.(See Mark Woods and Jeff Brumley)<br /><br />Can't you blind followers see now that all the talk about ignoring cowards and anonymous blogging had nothing to do with the church leaderships response. Is Brumley a coward? Is Mark Woods a coward? No. But the pastor says he won't read them or reply to them. Hmmm. Maybe good old bro vines should come in and spit at them in his next Pastor's conference sermon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12286969654328024152012-06-04T14:45:11.777-04:002012-06-04T14:45:11.777-04:00Anonymous said: Change the name of this blog. Seri...Anonymous said: Change the name of this blog. Seriously. This is now SBC Watchdog. Why use FBC Jax when it is no longer specifically watchdogging the corruption at FBC Jax.<br /><br />June 2, 2012 3:10 PM<br />__________________________________<br />Dawg - don't ever change the name. Let anyone who ever Googles "FBC JAX" stumble upon your blog and do their research on the church, the named men involved, the lawsuits, the land gift, the nepotism, the "night to stand with Israel" fiasco, and on and on. Those sheep about to be stolen in St. Johns County may be interested in all of this some day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38618573863031427212012-06-04T12:05:40.904-04:002012-06-04T12:05:40.904-04:00Wendy, you are absolutely right - sex abuse is sex...Wendy, you are absolutely right - sex abuse is sex abuse regardless of "what kind" - the victim has the same recovery process and lasting scars.<br /><br />What is deeply disturbing issue about the sexual case is that the defense is using this mother and her victim children to defend the pastor. I've already discussed the minimization of victims/crimes. Not only that, the defense has made absolutely no effort to conceal the identities of the victims. The pastor used the mother to write her court declaration in which the children are identified - - - all this is to defend the pastor. That is outrageous to me. Now the victims are permanently disclosed in public record. <br /><br />It seems most attorneys would have sealed the parts of the document that identify the children involved out of respect for the victims and their protection. By revealing, the victims have essentially been re-victimized by their own pastor/mother in this case. In defense of the mother - she probably had no clue what she was doing and the ramifications of it, but this, too, goes along with the whole church abuse "system". Any mother who wasn't under the "influence" would say: this is your mess, you clean it up and come to the defense of her children. I feel so very sad for this family. My heart goes out to them. In the hoopla, they can't see clearly.<br /><br />It's all about appearances, defend the pastor, to the neglect of the sheep.Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14878043192615606112012-06-04T10:30:45.110-04:002012-06-04T10:30:45.110-04:00See Mac Brunson still has some bitterness towards ...See Mac Brunson still has some bitterness towards the Florida Times Union, one announcing he no longer takes the newspaper and two, refusing to meet with Mark Woods, a journalist whose late father was a Baptist preacher - all he wanted was to get Brunson's opinion on a matter - my bible says be ready to give any man answer when question. Talk about gun shy, that's good old Mac!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26001343901687141002012-06-04T10:21:35.691-04:002012-06-04T10:21:35.691-04:00Julie Anne,
"The MSNBC article which is the ...Julie Anne,<br /><br />"The MSNBC article which is the only article referenced on the church website (hmmm) states: 'allegedly touched one of his sisters inappropriately'."<br /><br />Thank you for your courage in coming forward to the public with information about this abusive church. I'm sorry you're having to go through this absurd lawsuit, but I believe God will bring vindication and restoration to you, your family, and others who have been hurt. <br /><br />I understand your point that the teen had not only touched his victims inappropriately but had raped at least one of them and that perhaps there has been minimization of the graphic details. One point I want to make is that ANY sexual abuse of a minor, regardless of the "type" of abuse (grooming, fondling, touching, penetration, etc.), creates serious, lasting wounds in the victim. Any type of sexual abuse is also a crime. O'Neal had a moral responsibility and legal mandate to report the abuse to authorities when he became aware of it. He also had a responsibility to protect the children and families in his church from the sexual predator.Wendynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86897175492383319102012-06-04T00:43:44.589-04:002012-06-04T00:43:44.589-04:00Off topic: So... the SBC gets their knickers in a...Off topic: So... the SBC gets their knickers in a knot over "racially-charged" comments and plagiarism, but the issue of clergy sex abuse <a href="http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=37942" rel="nofollow">not so much</a>.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15564292090300422072012-06-03T22:17:12.392-04:002012-06-03T22:17:12.392-04:00The Other Tom: Thank you for that interpretation....The Other Tom: Thank you for that interpretation. My head was spinning. signed, Big Bad Lady<br /><br />I don't think that there is dispute over the matter of who reported to DHS, but <b>what</b> was reported. <br /><br />The friend reported the sex abuse situation involving the teen, but made no mention of any abuse situation involving the pastor. <br /><br />Here is a quote from the pastor's court declaration when he came to my house unannounced with recording device to demand I tell him who reported him to DHS:<br /><br />(the "she" is referring to me): <br /><br /><i>I visited her home and asked her what knowledge or part she had in maliciously turning my family in to the DHS for child abuse, and what part she had in reporting to the DHS that I allowed pornographic material to be distributed to minors in the church. She responded that she "had heard of reportings to the DHS," but not that I had been reported.</i><br /><br />There you have it. <br /><br />The part removed from the press release was regarding the pastor being an abuser. Again, the voluntary reporter never reported anything having to do with the pastor abusing. (And I confirmed this to the pastor when he came to my door, as he acknowledged in the court declaration.)Julie Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03125322661578802590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79338031899142637652012-06-03T21:20:34.635-04:002012-06-03T21:20:34.635-04:00Tom:
I like how you've given new meaning to ...Tom: <br /><br />I like how you've given new meaning to the term "red letter Christian."<br /><br />SMGSergius Martin-Georgehttp://steamtunnelpilot.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62853055870595101992012-06-03T18:44:02.910-04:002012-06-03T18:44:02.910-04:00Anon 1:22 6/3
Has it ever occurred to you that ma...Anon 1:22 6/3<br /><br />Has it ever occurred to you that maybe O'Neal is the liar? That his hasty editing of his press release is in response to people pointing out that -- according to OR law -- someone who makes a report to their DSS equivalent will not be revealed, except under certain circumstances? In other words, he had no way of knowing who, if anyone, reported him. So his assertion that it was someone from Julie Anne's blog is a lie. Yup. A big fat lie. He doesn't know.<br /><br />Julie, however, says she didn't do it, though she knows who did. How much more honest can you get?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6366289454493353062012-06-03T17:16:26.129-04:002012-06-03T17:16:26.129-04:00I find this all impossible to follow. I can't...I find this all impossible to follow. I can't figure out who did what. But I guess what makes it of interest here is that the situation got blogged about and then the pastor sued the blogger?<br /><br />I guess this is all very old, yet very new. Church splits, disputes, etc. have always been; but now it can all be discussed on the internet for all the world to read.<br />Although that sounds kinda scary, the light does need to shine on some things that people would rather keep in the dark. So maybe it will be a mostly good thing?<br /><br />And I think even if you blog about something, it's still fairly private. I'm assuming the vast, vast majority aren't reading. In fact, people can be extremely uninformed-several of the Miss USA contestants could not name the current vice president of the United States!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27727195053249631672012-06-03T16:46:43.719-04:002012-06-03T16:46:43.719-04:00Since "Anonymous'" posting at June 3...Since "Anonymous'" posting at June 3, 2012 1:22 PM, is little more than a batch of mindless gobledygook, I'll try to translate it:<br /><br />Since the Big Bad Lady said MEAN things about Poor Little Chuck, Poor Little Chuck should sue the Big Bad Lady for as much as he can, because she is so MEAN!The Other Tomnoreply@blogger.com