tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post3917592246139455254..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: The Results of Selling Our Pulpit...FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33713329937451102982008-11-02T19:24:00.000-05:002008-11-02T19:24:00.000-05:00I did not see anything close to what Mac preached ...I did not see anything close to what Mac preached at the 10:30 am service this morning on tv about "worry" on the part of Israel. Maybe there are those that are "concerned". Mac calls it worry, possibly, he wanted to deliver a message concerning what he thought Israel (Jacob) was going through. Possibly Mac had another situation or reference in mind and used this example of Jacob to address this situation. <BR/><BR/>It appears to me, from the way Israel was viewing the history of his life, he remembered Joseph being killed while going out to take food to his brothers. Now the brothers are telling Israel to let Benjamin (the youngest brother) go with them down to Egypt to buy some food and thats why he was grieved. He had lost one son of Rachel's his beloved and did not desire to lose the other. He had lived a much longer life and many more experiences than his sons. Israel was cautious about this next trip down to Egypt. His sons were not there when he wrestled an angel of the Lord. They weren't there when God told him he would be the father of many multitudes. Why shouldn't he be concerned about all of his children. He had no idea he would still be alive if they did return. Its easy to be a Monday quarterback after you have seen the game. Israel had not. He played the hand he was dealt. He did trust God as he let Benjamin go. He also heard from God telling him it was alright for him to go down to Egypt that God would make a great nation of him.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, Israel was 130 years old and his eyes were dim. Put yourself in his place. Can you imagine living 130 years? He knew he had only a little time left on this earth and he wanted to make the best of the remainder of it. Benjamin was now his special son having replaced Joseph who he thought dead. I don't see Israel as a worrier, he had gotten very aged and knew mans days are few and full of trouble through all of his life experiences. Unless you are on the other side of 60-80 you really haven't seen what Israel had and he had lived twice 60 plus 10. This is two lifetimes to the average person of today. Additionally, how many men in the Bible had God changed their name. Very few. Jacob the trickster had been changed to Israel one who walks with God.<BR/><BR/>I would agree that Israel was concerned but not worried. People use worry too often when it doesn't fit in my opinion. We sometimes say that other people worry too much and we don't even know their circumstances which might be more than we could handle at that particular time.<BR/><BR/>One last thought, the deacons according to Mac should not be on the board if they worry!! Do the deacons fill out a form that says "are you a worrier". Isn't this legalistic? Just my thoughts. Besides, if Mac is your preacher you had better worry. Be glad that we have SOME deacons that actually see what's happening down there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90246101681582011582008-11-02T14:59:00.000-05:002008-11-02T14:59:00.000-05:00What about Mac's lies about Sheri Klouda?What about Mac's lies about Sheri Klouda?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29309178764828631912008-11-02T14:48:00.000-05:002008-11-02T14:48:00.000-05:00Old Testament you could lose your salvation. David...Old Testament you could lose your salvation. David asked God not to take your Holy Spirit from me. God did take his Spirit from king Saul.<BR/>No such thing as eternal life in OT. One had to obey the law and keep the commandments.<BR/><BR/>New Testament Jesus gives the believer something OT did not do. <BR/>Provide Eternal Life. Didn't show<BR/>up until MATT 16. CAN'T lose it. Anybody out there not know the difference. Oviously these pastors get mixed up on their theology. Probably too much history and not enough Bible. Its called dispensations. Study it for yourself.<BR/><BR/>I'm amazed at PD and TDM. Just stick to what the Bible says. Twisting scripture has always led preachers astray. Sometimes they lose their ministries over the very things they say don't do this or that. Real strange isn't it. It's best to stick with that "old time religion". Modern theology just can't cut it. Kinda like cutting edge or fresh...get it?<BR/><BR/>We hear a lot about CHANGE in the ministry. God says, " I change not".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91103768418294587422008-11-02T12:39:00.000-05:002008-11-02T12:39:00.000-05:008:00 am tv service. The word worry is not in my Bi...8:00 am tv service. The word worry is not in my Bible. Where did Mac get that word?<BR/><BR/>Another thing, Mac said liars would not have eternal life? I believe Jesus died for all of our sins and because he did even lies are forgiven after we are saved. Where does he get this stuff? Makes one wonder just who is making up these sermons. Maybe the seminary is to blame. Maybe the marketing group is the bible source now. Who knows but he preaches error from my understanding of my Bible and what my previous pastors have preached on these same passages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57223836048276810752008-11-02T11:45:00.000-05:002008-11-02T11:45:00.000-05:00Sundquist has been right on target for several yea...Sundquist has been right on target for several years now in relation to what these "professional preachers" are about. He has sounded the warning re: Purpose Driven, Warren & Co., and so far exactly what he has warned has and is continuing to take place. We no longer have churches concerned with SALVATION of the LOST. We have politically social minded, self promoting business CEO'S. They are IN THE BUSINESS pure and simple. Don't think so? Wake up, take a look. Who are the leaders? What are they saying? How much do you hear the SAVING GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST "SINCERELY" PREACHED? We are nothing without JESUS. But these guys are all about themselves. Don't think so? Why such huge salaries, perks, trips, family on staff at the expense of firing old faithful staff members, million dollar mansions, getting paid for NOT being present at home church that is paying his and famalies salaries. And (big one) why does a church or a Godly preacher NEED a marketing firm to advise the said CEO preacher. The marketing firm advises the preacher and staff instead of the HOLY SPIRIT. Sick and Sad!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-697325135818717312008-11-02T10:31:00.000-05:002008-11-02T10:31:00.000-05:00October 31st is Reformation Day. This is to honor ...October 31st is Reformation Day. This is to honor the work of Martin Luther and his Protestant Reformation.<BR/><BR/>If you check this article <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther" REL="nofollow">Martin Luther</A> out, you will notice several similarities.<BR/><BR/>What WD is doing here, <B>is nothing compared to what Martin Luther did</B>. Check out the language Martin Luther uses. Yes, you will be shocked. WD is very mild here.<BR/><BR/>To all the people who are shocked by WD's blog, please read the above article on Martin Luther. I am not comparing WD to Martin Luther, but in the similarities and the questioning of the authorities and their practices.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34027950119516657582008-11-02T08:33:00.000-05:002008-11-02T08:33:00.000-05:00Sorry WD, must have slight disagreement with you. ...Sorry WD, must have slight disagreement with you. On the whole, I said, I like Huckabee as a "General all around good guy". BUT, IF GOD CALLS YOU TO BE A PREACHER THEN YOU CAN'T BE A POLITICIAN, IF YOU CALL YOURSELF TO BE A POLITICIAN THEN YOU CAN'T BE A PREACHER. THAT'S IT! AND IT DOES MATTER. YOU CAN'T THROW AWAY PERSONALITY TRAITS AS IF THEY ARN'T THERE. THIS IS PART OF HUCKABEES PERSONALITY. HE QUIT PREACHING, EVIDENTLY WENT PURPOSE DRIVEN AND ALSO STARTED A SECOND CAREER IN POLITICS. THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO POST.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11393117564716839152008-11-02T06:52:00.000-05:002008-11-02T06:52:00.000-05:00In the 1980's and 1990's, students by the thousand...In the 1980's and 1990's, students by the thousands moved from all over the country to attend SWBTS. From Jacksonville, folks drove westward right past 2 or 3 other Baptist seminaries to graduate from Southwestern. That was, though, in another--and far better--day for SWBTS . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4954473633150859702008-11-02T00:26:00.000-04:002008-11-02T00:26:00.000-04:00There's a good study of Huckabee's connection to R...There's a good study of Huckabee's connection to Rick Warren <A HREF="http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/04/07/why-are-not-more-christians-supporting-mike-huckabee/#comment-5969" REL="nofollow">here</A>. I believe many times Sundquist has been on the fringe, but this is just Huckabee in his own words with the references to back it up.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82661728374803623722008-11-02T00:22:00.000-04:002008-11-02T00:22:00.000-04:00Someone mentioned Junior Hill in the previous thre...Someone mentioned Junior Hill in the previous thread. He's been at Bellevue, too. Preached a whole sermon on the importance of salvation but, strangely, never got around to mentioning the <I>plan</I> of salvation. To hear him talk, all you had to do was walk down the aisle.<BR/><BR/>Steve Gaines had Hill preach at Gardendale FBC, and one Sunday instead of taking up a love offering, Gaines handed Hill the entire day's budget receipts, said to have been around $70,000. Shoot, at that rate the man didn't have to work another day all year. If I'd been a member of that church and had known about that (which at the time most of the members probably didn't), I would have walked out and never gone back. People give their tithes to their church for the work of the church, not for the "senior pastor" to give to his friends!<BR/><BR/>When he was at Bellevue there were tables set up in the lobby where they were selling his books. Man, this preaching stuff is big business!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82567211439674870592008-11-02T00:08:00.000-04:002008-11-02T00:08:00.000-04:00So Mike Huckabee is just getting around to preachi...So Mike Huckabee is just getting around to preaching at FBC Jax? He was at <A HREF="http://bellevue.org/templates/cusbellevue1103/details.asp?id=1360&PID=541992" REL="nofollow">Bellevue</A> on February 3rd. Of course, that was back when he was still in the running for the Republican nomination, and he received quite a welcome. There were even a few prominently displayed "Huckabee for President" signs planted along the two main streets next to the church. <A HREF="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Huckabee1.JPG" REL="nofollow">Here</A>, <A HREF="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Huckabee3.JPG" REL="nofollow">here</A>, and <A HREF="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/Huckabee2.JPG" REL="nofollow">here</A>. I don't know that a representative of the church placed them there, but no one from the church took them down either. Those orange traffic cones are placed in the street on Sundays and Wednesdays by the campus rent-a-cops, men and women who work for the sheriff's department. It's illegal to place political signs on public right-of-ways in Shelby County. The sheriff's deputies had to walk around the signs but didn't remove them. They were there for about a week before and after February 3rd.<BR/><BR/>You can listen to Huckabee's sermon <A HREF="http://bellevue.org/templates/cusbellevue1103/details.asp?id=1360&PID=552222" REL="nofollow">here</A> by signing in with your 316Networks account and scrolling down to the February 3, 2008 sermon entitled "Soldiers for Christ."<BR/><BR/>I thought it started out rather painfully with Huckabee trying to be a stand-up comedian and failing miserably. But then he got down to actually preaching and did a pretty good job -- and left the politics out.<BR/><BR/>There has been speculation here that Huckabee may be paying FBC Jax to preach there. Are you kidding? Of course these churches are paying him, probably quite well, too.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24974439517014685532008-11-01T22:47:00.000-04:002008-11-01T22:47:00.000-04:00I don't know if Huckabee is preaching or just comi...I don't know if Huckabee is preaching or just coming to the platform to say a few words. The intent of this post really was not to discuss Huckabee as a politician or as a preacher, but to show how Mac kicking the door in on selling our pulpit creates a problem in how we view any speaker coming to our church. We now have to wonder: did they pay for access, or did we pay them to deliver a certain message.<BR/><BR/>I personally like Huckabee as a man and as a Christian. Some have posted here knocking him for being a preacher and then leaving for politics, but I wouldn't do that at all and that is not the purpose of this blog post.<BR/><BR/>I wanted to comment on ThyPeace's initial post to this thread.<BR/><BR/>That is correct, Mac HAS had preachers come to our church and speak a word of defense. One of the worst in my opinion was when he had Swanburg come in....and here's what Swannie said, and I'm paraphrasing but its pretty close...Swannie told us this after he used the analogy of "planting shade trees" on his family property for sacrificing in the Kingdom for future generations:<BR/><BR/><I>I love Mac...I saw Mac when I came here and I said 'How ya doin' Mac?'...and Mac said 'I'm tired, Swannie, I'm tired'. You know why Mac is tired? Its because Mac is busy plantin' shade trees. Mac is a shade tree planter.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, he was plantin' shade trees all right....shade trees over at his new million dollar home that he was constructing! <BR/><BR/>This was right after the first blog came out giving Mac a hard time, and right before Mac unveiled his "vision" for the church.<BR/><BR/>Then who can forget the famous "Mac got no honeymoon" quote from Paige Patterson, where Paige slammed our church to the SWBTS students by saying our church gave him no honeymoon when he came which was a "lie outta hell" (to quote Mac).<BR/><BR/>Then who can forget the Vines visit in 2007 at the PC when he came and spit at anonymous emails, and he and Mac high-fived on the platform when Vines said about a troublesome church member: "you don't pay me enough to be yo' preachah, brutha".<BR/><BR/>So Mac HAS shown himself to be a person who brings preachers in to give him a helping hand.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10659580411474561942008-11-01T22:44:00.000-04:002008-11-01T22:44:00.000-04:00The Huckabee event makes wonder the status, "separ...The Huckabee event makes wonder the status, "separation of church and state."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43380351127364145632008-11-01T22:42:00.000-04:002008-11-01T22:42:00.000-04:00I sincerely believe Mac, Honey and Trey all receiv...I sincerely believe Mac, Honey and Trey all receive divine guidance from PP and the A-Group. The A-Group, all the while, charging FBCJ for their expertise. Not to mention the child protege, Trey and his "beyond a 23 year knowledge of marketing, supplied by Maurilio. Maurilio has made a fortune selling his branding to small to mega churches on his brand, all the while buying $300 shirts paid for by members of unsuspecting congregations. He also is a viper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35047685976754049052008-11-01T22:25:00.000-04:002008-11-01T22:25:00.000-04:00I like Huckabee as a politician, I am not sure tha...I like Huckabee as a politician, I am not sure that I would like him as a preacher, after all he did leave the ministry and it appears he is a member of the "SBC club". If he is coming here to make a political speech in the church then expect to lose the tax exempt status. As I said I like his politics. And he seems to be a good person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61862735413868102952008-11-01T22:01:00.000-04:002008-11-01T22:01:00.000-04:00I wonder who is paying who to have Huckabee here. ...I wonder who is paying who to have Huckabee here. If we as a church are paying MH to come here to brag on Mac so he can feel better about himself, does that not raise questions as to how this church is run and how the money is used. I don't know like most of you don't if we are paying for this but it sure looks strange. If so, see why we try to question how our church is run. We don't know what we pay for or where the money goes. If MH is paying us, which I doubt, then we can put the money toward renovations. At the very least, MH might make a good governor, but his church is a copy of the Rick Warren Saddleback church, that drops Huckabees credability with me considerably. But then Mac says he is not Purpose Driven! R I G H T! Funny Mac, Huckabee, and Warren all graduated from SWTS in Dallas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79178494838128810162008-11-01T21:49:00.000-04:002008-11-01T21:49:00.000-04:00Should this blog close this very moment, the ramif...Should this blog close this very moment, the ramification of the lack of spiritual guidance for the glorification of God's Kingsom and his divine goodness under the leadership of Mac Brunson at FBCJ will forever be recorded, not only heavenly, but now on earth via ever presence of electronic preservation and availability. <BR/><BR/>Brunson's credibility from this point forward will be suspect, with or without his support of marketing branding, influence from questionable persons acting in his behalf, but especially from The Almighty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13443297692599488542008-11-01T21:44:00.000-04:002008-11-01T21:44:00.000-04:00Thy Peace in your earlier blog you mention that Ma...Thy Peace in your earlier blog you mention that Mac appears to be "starving for praise and affection". That is somewhat like the neighborhood "bully" that can't understand why no one likes him. In Macs case, my opinion is he is like a little boy that can't seem to do anything right. He seems to have an inferiority complex and is always trying to get people to like him, yet everything he does is wrong. Did you ever know anyone that broke something in the neighborhood and when it came time to "fess up" he pointed to another person and blamed the problem on them. That is my picture of Mac. Who needs that leadership in charge of this church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77665213457006903502008-11-01T21:35:00.000-04:002008-11-01T21:35:00.000-04:004:32 pm: You have overdosed on Kool Aid.4:32 pm: You have overdosed on Kool Aid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40882388868441341832008-11-01T21:34:00.000-04:002008-11-01T21:34:00.000-04:00WD the brown wooden pulpit you are showing here wa...WD the brown wooden pulpit you are showing here wasn't that initially put into the current auditorium as Dr Lindsays? Whatever happened to it? Each preacer tries to get rid of the former preachers pulpit. Change don't you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66459780412382960812008-11-01T20:26:00.000-04:002008-11-01T20:26:00.000-04:00Sorry for earlier post about Brunson and Warren at...Sorry for earlier post about Brunson and Warren attending SWBTS; it was Huckabee and Warren. Is that correct? If so, perhaps PP asked Huckabee to help Mac out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52165116587601566762008-11-01T20:19:00.000-04:002008-11-01T20:19:00.000-04:00Did I just read that Brunson and Rick Warren were ...Did I just read that Brunson and Rick Warren were in seminary together?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66733171007594539962008-11-01T20:18:00.000-04:002008-11-01T20:18:00.000-04:00If you were a member of First Baptist during the m...If you were a member of First Baptist during the middle to late 90s you will remember that First Baptist was suppose to have William O'Hair son of atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair come and preach at First Baptist, but a few weeks before he was suppose to come, the church cancelled his appearance.Dr. Lindsay got up in the pulpit and announced to the church that they had cancelled his appearance because they felt they had to protect the pulpit. Why they felt they had to cancel him I never did find out, but that shows you the integrity Dr. Lindsay had for the church and its people. Boy how times have changed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48665696819231149762008-11-01T20:16:00.000-04:002008-11-01T20:16:00.000-04:00Mr. Brunson and team, "In the choir of life it is ...Mr. Brunson and team, "In the choir of life it is easy to fake the words, but one day we shall all sing solo before God".<BR/><BR/>I keep reminding myself, so should you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5677947313143455142008-11-01T20:13:00.000-04:002008-11-01T20:13:00.000-04:00You referenced trips to the Holy Land. Anyone int...You referenced trips to the Holy Land. Anyone interested would be astonished to learn how much pastors can make from sponsoring these trips, not to mention the "free-rides." Yet they are allowed to plaster advertisement in bulletins, wide screen, in-house facilities, as the general congregants are unaware of the rewards these trips heap upon the pastor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com