tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post4220244147212137627..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "It Has Been Requested that We Not Podcast Ergun Caner's Messages" Says Brookwood Church in North CarolinaFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4961408427558042252011-07-25T18:13:13.778-04:002011-07-25T18:13:13.778-04:00Jimmy Evans. visiting at Gateway Church in Southla...Jimmy Evans. visiting at Gateway Church in Southlake, TX a couple of weeks ago, declared the "government, police and the IRS are all of the Lord." <br /><br />The early church had this power; the church appears to be gaining this power again. I would gladly submit if that was not abusive. We are sheep in the eyes of the Holy God. But we do not have to be sheep in the physical earth. The church is counting on the stupidity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13675645721533655782011-07-25T12:11:59.844-04:002011-07-25T12:11:59.844-04:00Choice 1:
Repent to God and the men that you have ...Choice 1:<br />Repent to God and the men that you have wronged (by lying to gain fame and fortune).<br /><br />Choice 2:<br />Slander those who call you to repentance, pridefully refuse to admit to any wrongdoing, rename bold-faced lies as slips of the tongue, attempt to destroy evidence and avoid all accountability (remove youtube videos, edit Wikipedia pages, and refuse to podcast your sermons).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71414077898404908802011-07-25T01:11:00.805-04:002011-07-25T01:11:00.805-04:00How bad can it be? Many churches are broadcasting ...How bad can it be? Many churches are broadcasting Bill Hybels' Leadership Summit. Here's a man who believes in merging Christianity with the Muslim belief system. You know, the whole one-world religion, one-world government thing.<br /><br />Jimmy Evans. visiting at Gateway Church in Southlake, TX a couple of weeks ago, declared the "government, police and the IRS are all of the Lord." <br /><br />They were very proud of this online broadcast and featured it on their website! It's called "a teachable spirit." Translation: A brainwahsable spirit. <br /><br />Seeing as churches don't have to pay taxes, I can understand why the IRS might seem pretty nifty to them. These churches love them some (tax free) government.<br /><br />Submit to the coming police state! It's of the Lord!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44949297789623329032011-07-24T22:46:55.492-04:002011-07-24T22:46:55.492-04:00"Hey, thanks for the lecture, Douglas."
..."Hey, thanks for the lecture, Douglas."<br /><br />Your'e welcome.Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14487653939801553210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74579044217941139372011-07-24T22:27:01.318-04:002011-07-24T22:27:01.318-04:00bio for David Epperling on Liberty's website. ...bio for David Epperling on Liberty's website. http://law.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=22651<br /><br />Interesting that he jumped from dean of a middle school to a high position at LU's seminary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66790155686165546172011-07-24T17:05:33.173-04:002011-07-24T17:05:33.173-04:00Dave Eppling and Ergun Caner have been friends for...Dave Eppling and Ergun Caner have been friends for years (since college) and Dave is as loyal as they come when it comes to Caner. <br /><br />FYI - Dave is or was one of Caners armed security detail. Everywhere Caner preached, Dave was there with concealed firearm.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23582951408619236082011-07-24T16:35:18.748-04:002011-07-24T16:35:18.748-04:00The wikipedia user claimed to be Dave Eppling, not...The wikipedia user claimed to be Dave Eppling, not Chip Eppling. Dave has worked with Caner for a number of years. He was brought into LBTS under Ergun and has since transferred to the Liberty Law School. <br /><br />Also, remember the user claimed to be Dave. Anyone can claim to be anyone on wikipedia. Then again, how many people are familiar enough with Ergun to know who Dave is.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22852088296007254732011-07-24T16:16:01.291-04:002011-07-24T16:16:01.291-04:00Hmmm, quite interesting info about the Wikipedia p...Hmmm, quite interesting info about the Wikipedia page!!! Btw, has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the reason Caner seems to have no conscience about his lying is that he's nothing more than an opportunist, a scam artist? Who better to prey on than trusting church folk? <br /><br />And...who better to help cover up than someone who's position in the church depends on the $ that a personality such as Caner brings in? Something to think about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17203550883257141062011-07-24T14:57:02.130-04:002011-07-24T14:57:02.130-04:00Imagine that. Trying to re-write history on the Wi...Imagine that. Trying to re-write history on the Wikipedia page for Caner. And it is an Eppling from Jacksonville who is involved in the latest attempts.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41945198746898420202011-07-24T12:13:29.899-04:002011-07-24T12:13:29.899-04:00Hey, thanks for the lecture, Douglas. I did not s...Hey, thanks for the lecture, Douglas. I did not say the Christian life had anything to do with popularity. What I said was that Ergun has a chance to regain the popularity he once enjoyed by coming clean with the church and with God. <br /><br />Surely you, Douglas, are smart enough to understand that "popularity" exists within Christendom. Yes? For example, I like Chuck Swindoll. He's popular with me. Is that OK with you?Johnny D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17141127764617679586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11707669066721774382011-07-24T09:25:18.427-04:002011-07-24T09:25:18.427-04:00Hey, fair enough there is no source that has said ...Hey, fair enough there is no source that has said Ergun asked for the podcasts to be taken off. This is unsourced speculation. <br /><br />However, we know that during 2009-2010, Ergun did ask for podcasts of his sermons to be removed from some church websites. Two, we know that someone claiming to work for Ergun has been wiping his wikipedia this week. One of the things, he was trying to wipe off was an unhonest sermon that he taught less than a year ago, last September. <br /><br />There are copyright reasons that a speaker like Caner may not allow for his sermons to be distributed through a third party vender. Perhaps Brookwood did not sign the right paperwork. Then again perhaps Brookwood wants to defend a Man of God. Then again maybe a veteran in the church watched the videos of Ergun lying to those marines and asked for them to be taken off. Then again, maybe they were lost digitally. <br /><br />You are right there are hundreds of reasons and we do not know why. Still, a dishonest Man of God is not above suspicion.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37309960717704380542011-07-24T07:52:04.787-04:002011-07-24T07:52:04.787-04:00Just as sad as the allegations about Caner is this...Just as sad as the allegations about Caner is this blog posting something as fact (that Caner made them take the sermons off) and then bloggers jumping on the raw piece of gossip. There may be a perfectly valid reason for their actions and since you don't know the actual truth, then perhaps you should not be blogging about it. But then this blog is not noted for truth and/or integrity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89081446810468818832011-07-23T22:02:24.980-04:002011-07-23T22:02:24.980-04:00On the other hand, most of what we call our God ex...On the other hand, most of what we call our God experience, can be explain with natural causes. I sympathize with Dallas Willard on that one.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13735537347006488772011-07-23T21:07:24.795-04:002011-07-23T21:07:24.795-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15154526512015112722011-07-23T20:47:03.883-04:002011-07-23T20:47:03.883-04:00If Ergun Caner lying to those marines did not stop...If Ergun Caner lying to those marines did not stop him from doing what God has called him to do, then I am pretty sure that a few thousand Christian critics will most likely fail. Most of what Ergun calls blessings in his life happened when he was lying the most. God will do what He wants regardless of us.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62124036478899968182011-07-23T20:31:15.928-04:002011-07-23T20:31:15.928-04:00I watched the Revolt 2011 live video feed every ni...I watched the Revolt 2011 live video feed every nite. Nothing inappropriate was said to these youth. Nothing outside of the gospel. Caner needs to be left alone to do what God calls him to do. Find another target, people. Your obsession is getting stale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2814056423592498222011-07-23T14:49:16.422-04:002011-07-23T14:49:16.422-04:00You wpould think that a person who seems to want ...You wpould think that a person who seems to want to entertain would want video exposure. Could it be that he said something that might cause someone to respomd in a negative way?Bojachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409639762166464751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13644909640083873602011-07-23T13:50:46.765-04:002011-07-23T13:50:46.765-04:00Moses Model - can you email me so we can discuss t...Moses Model - can you email me so we can discuss the Wikipedia issue?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87854960172920165862011-07-23T13:20:45.644-04:002011-07-23T13:20:45.644-04:00Sunday, he wants to let his scars tell his story. ...Sunday, he wants to let his scars tell his story. Two days this week, he tries to wipe his wikipedia page. Now this. I hope the irony is not missed.Moses Modelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16027355755303728808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-732644912591804652011-07-23T13:20:28.171-04:002011-07-23T13:20:28.171-04:00It would be great if Caner would confess and apolo...It would be great if Caner would confess and apologize, but that won't happen. That is not why I continue to write about Caner.<br /><br />I just want the average person in the pew to know what they are facing when they see Caner coming to their church or preaching at their kids' youth rally or retreat. I want pastors to know that people in the pew, the "noses an nickels", know about Caner, and that they don't like someone who has lied to congregations to fill their pulpit to either continue lying, or making himself the victim.<br /><br />Granting him access to pulpits like Ronnie and Nick Floyd's, and granting him access to the youth at FBC Jax actually hurts Ergun, and lessens the chance that he will come clean with the Christian community.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-819289728307757072011-07-23T13:14:43.277-04:002011-07-23T13:14:43.277-04:00"Ergun, once you do that, I believe your popu..."Ergun, once you do that, I believe your popularity will, eventually, increase."<br /><br />The Christian life has zilch to do with popularity, it is all about honesty and integrity and faithfulness to the Word of God. <br /><br />I believe Ergun Caner's popularity is decreasing, he is a stench to God. He needs to seriously repent of his wicked sinfulness.<br /><br />God could strike him down stone cold dead any moment to be remembered no more.<br /><br />1 Corinthians 3:7So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth.<br /><br />Galatians 6:3For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.<br /><br />Behold, I am vile!<br /><br />(James Smith, "Daily Bible Readings for the Lord's Household")<br /><br />"Behold, I am vile!" Job 40:4<br /><br />JOB did not always think so. While at a distance from God—he could boast, argue, and contend with God! But when brought into the presence of God's holiness—the contrast was so striking, that he sunk down in astonishment, clothed with shame, and filled with self-loathing!<br /><br />The manifestation of God's glory to a sinner—always produces the same effect!<br /><br />ISAIAH felt as Job did, and exclaimed, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! My eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty!" Isaiah 6:5<br /><br />Pride and self-righteousness can never live in God's presence!<br /><br />The nearer to God—<br />the more we discover our depravity,<br />the more we loathe ourselves, and<br />the more precious does the person and work of Jesus become!<br /><br />Proud people have never been brought into God's presence!<br /><br />Only clear, correct and humbling views of SELF—will make Jesus precious to us!<br /><br />It is only as we see our own vileness—that we shall value the Saviour's righteousness!Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14487653939801553210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14758693741249946202011-07-23T12:43:00.048-04:002011-07-23T12:43:00.048-04:00It's tall tales and not tails. I know better.It's tall tales and not tails. I know better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30431433391417159172011-07-23T12:24:12.425-04:002011-07-23T12:24:12.425-04:00I really like what Thy Peace had to say. I suppor...I really like what Thy Peace had to say. I support that post 100%.<br /><br />It really is never too late to stand up and say, "I was wrong, I am sorry, and I repent." <br /><br />Ergun, once you do that, I believe your popularity will, eventually, increase. It seems you are an excellent speaker with a sharp mind. With prayer, I bet you can find ways to turn this whole fiasco into something that honors our Lord Jesus Christ. When you do that, the blessings are sure to come.<br /><br />I will be praying for you.Johnny D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17141127764617679586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74830191071884101302011-07-23T12:07:54.790-04:002011-07-23T12:07:54.790-04:00“Why would any church or pastor continue to push t...“Why would any church or pastor continue to push this guy and his tall tails (tales)?”<br />Because it’s what the people want to hear. They, we, want to believe God can save not just a person out of Islam but a hardened jihadist hell bent on the destruction of America. That’s what sells, that’s where the money is; and as we all know whether we want to admit it or not, money is power.<br />Dr. Caner’s true testimony is a wonderful story of being saved out of extraordinary circumstances but somehow that’s not good enough. I know all of us have wonderful testimonies but how many of us face death for converting?<br />Look at what has happened in the churches across America, no longer is it good enough to preach the word and let the Holy Spirit convince, convict and redeem, instead we must throw out the old and bring in that which entertains and tickles the ear.<br />Indeed, you have hit the nail on the head when you said, “it's an in your face attempt to show his critics that they can do just about anything they please, truth be damned.”<br />No longer is the message of the modern church a message of an all inclusive love that we love one another despite our differences. No, now we preach a mean message that we love you as long as you agree with us and do as we say. Disagree, and your trash, disagree and it’s “if you don’t like it leave.<br />This modern message polarizes the fellowship, creating an us against them mentality and absolute fidelity to the man at the front of the church. <br />So centered on the preacher is the modern message that he can no longer share the stage. Instead our pulpits are redecorated so that he alone is center stage.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28939183801572544452011-07-23T11:32:05.893-04:002011-07-23T11:32:05.893-04:00Why would any church or pastor continue to push th...Why would any church or pastor continue to push this guy and his tall tails? What is to be gained by this? I have a feeling that it's an in your face attempt to show his critics that they can do just about anything they please, truth be damned. This just shows that their integrity has sunk to somewhere near the common septic tank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com