tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post4316844775901597054..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Crybaby Pastors Part 1: Thom Rainer Issues Call to Church Members to Deal With CriticsFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger122125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85353533809430628532011-11-01T18:46:58.577-04:002011-11-01T18:46:58.577-04:00I think there needs to be differentiation between ...I think there needs to be differentiation between the types of critics pastors deal with. There are those who raise legitimate concerns and should not face retaliation for it. Anyone in leadership, pastors included, need to be prepared for their share of criticisms and complainers. It comes with the territory.<br /><br />However, I have been witness to some who get out of line. In my church, for instance, there is a group that perpetually acts as obstructionists on any changes made in the church-and they have done this with every pastor for many years now. Most of the time they can be dealt with by exercising patience, but I have also seen this group resort to sinful tactics.<br /><br />By sinful tactics, I mean-sending threatening e-mails, treating the pastor hatefully, spreading false rumors around town, etc. When that happens, people DO need to take a stand. We lost a good pastor several years ago because this group was operating mostly in secret, undermining everything the pastor did, and he didn't make it public. After several months of continuously battling this group, he resigned. They got their wish.<br /><br />I also have to comment that most pastors I have dealt with in the SBC have been godly men who tolerated critics in a patient, loving manner-even those without legitimate complaints. Mac Brunson might be a tyrant, but it's not fair to paint them all with the same brush.Jennifer McSparinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13147785315590509491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88405950140006626392011-03-10T13:25:23.294-05:002011-03-10T13:25:23.294-05:00Asking to see a complete accounting of the money s...Asking to see a complete accounting of the money spent IS NOT criticism!<br /><br />Asking why the church owns a jet airplane is not criticism.<br /><br />Asking why the pastor makes videos using the style (rap) most commonly adopted by criminals is not criticism.<br /><br />Asking why every other Baptist (Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran) church that you have ever been into does things one way and you do them another way is not criticism.<br /><br />Those are just good questions that deserve good answers. Transparent answers.Larry Geigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13158449612437822789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43629277985844109542011-03-08T12:10:22.288-05:002011-03-08T12:10:22.288-05:00To the previous commentator on Dr. Lindsay: You ar...To the previous commentator on Dr. Lindsay: You are right. FBCJ has not had a real preacher since Dr. Lindsay died. He preached salvation to the lost. Jesus was the only reason Dr. Lindsay was in the ministry. He wasn't concerned about fame, money, trips, books etc. He knew his reward was going to come from Jesus when he heard "Well done good and faithful servant". We haven't had a preacher since.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61311196972959619982011-03-04T17:49:27.185-05:002011-03-04T17:49:27.185-05:00"The amount of hate on this blog is so sad.&q..."The amount of hate on this blog is so sad."<br /><br />"An 8-track tape, typewriter, and tandy computer called to say that line is really really OLD!"<br /><br />And naturally my point is proven. Why am I not surprised?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88567751386881084632011-03-04T17:11:57.766-05:002011-03-04T17:11:57.766-05:00"Hate is contagious!"
Yeah, it sure is...."Hate is contagious!"<br /><br />Yeah, it sure is.<br />It seems like you have caught it too.<br /><br />"Pointing fingers, calling names, making accusations....FOLKS....."<br /><br />Using ALL CAPS and tons of dots....FOLKS!<br /><br />"ISN'T ALL OF THIS A LITTLE IMMATURE?"<br /><br />You mean like typing in ALL CAPS like the teen-agers do?<br /><br />"Aren't we supposed to love?"<br /><br />If so, why are you criticizing the people on this blog? <br /><br />"Aren't we supposed to be nice?"<br /><br />Was Jesus "nice" to the Pharisees?<br /><br />"Why do YOU blame Mac for all YOUR problems?"<br /><br />Why do YOU blame this blog for all YOUR problems?<br /><br />"Did YOU have a bad childhood??"<br /><br />I would ask you the same question, but I'm thinking you are probably still in the middle of yours.<br /><br />"All YOU Mac hating, KJV lovin, Polyester suit wearing, Hymn singing, Sunday School gossiping, Sermon sampling HYPOCRITES need to soften up and really pray if YOU are acting in a way that honors God!!!"<br /><br />Wow, this statement pretty much violates everything you mentioned earlier. It's call cognitive dissonance.<br /><br />"God is going to clean up HIS Church...maybe it is YOU that needs to hit the Showers!"<br /><br />You need a cleansing from the inside.<br /><br />And you should consider changing your screen name to: Slow to Think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74546127044196347022011-03-04T16:59:13.023-05:002011-03-04T16:59:13.023-05:00Waaaa.....Mac's been mean to me!!!!
Waaaa.......Waaaa.....Mac's been mean to me!!!!<br /><br />Waaaa.....Mac stomped his foot again!!<br /><br />Waaaa.....I hate Pastors so much, they can't take critism like me!!!<br /><br />Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...<br /><br />hey dog......<br /><br />GROW UP SON!<br /><br />-----------------------<br /><br />Yes, because your comments look really mature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43904069653122685832011-03-04T16:58:07.938-05:002011-03-04T16:58:07.938-05:00"The amount of hate on this blog is so sad.&q..."The amount of hate on this blog is so sad."<br /><br />An 8-track tape, typewriter, and tandy computer called to say that line is really really OLD!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53076201308418502972011-03-04T08:51:23.924-05:002011-03-04T08:51:23.924-05:00I just left this comment on the Rainer blog:
Mr. ...I just <b>left this comment on the Rainer blog</b>:<br /><br /><i>Mr. Rainer, I'm pretty sure you're a very intelligent man overall, but you really don't have a clue on this subject.</i><br /><br /><i>It is not 'criticism' that is hampering the Great Commission, rather it is THE PASTOR'S THEMSELVES. More specifically, they are trying to do TOO MANY THINGS that have NOTHING TO DO with the Great Commission. If they actually focused on the BIBLICAL Great Commission, there would be much less for people to complain about.</i><br /><br /><i>I might also add that it is actually the very constitution of the modern church that is the root of the problem. But that is another discussion for another time.</i>NYTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15787077208785930617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60813648197484863302011-03-03T13:36:47.189-05:002011-03-03T13:36:47.189-05:00The amount of hate on this blog is so sad.The amount of hate on this blog is so sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90074263295691410112011-03-03T11:48:59.284-05:002011-03-03T11:48:59.284-05:00Lynn, I hate to bring this to your attention,howev...Lynn, I hate to bring this to your attention,however Bible scholars are no longer with us. They all died hundreds and thousands of years ago. The newer versions only proove this point. The dead ones are Paul, John, Peter and several others that actually spent time with the Lord. You can be called a scholar but know very little about the Bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66903216106760643162011-03-03T08:55:37.154-05:002011-03-03T08:55:37.154-05:00Waaaa.....Mac's been mean to me!!!!
Waaaa.......Waaaa.....Mac's been mean to me!!!!<br /><br />Waaaa.....Mac stomped his foot again!!<br /><br />Waaaa.....I hate Pastors so much, they can't take critism like me!!!<br /><br />Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...<br /><br />hey dog......<br /><br />GROW UP SON!Slow to speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112253493029220293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27381913338227974412011-03-03T06:37:00.842-05:002011-03-03T06:37:00.842-05:00"Aren't we supposed to love?
Aren't ..."Aren't we supposed to love?<br /><br />Aren't we supposed to be nice?"<br /><br />Mac is paid to be a professional Christian role model. Perhaps you an explain why you hold him to a lower standard?<br /><br />Perhaps you idolize mere titles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75455338277810113652011-03-02T21:16:07.608-05:002011-03-02T21:16:07.608-05:00Some pastors do not want criticism. It hurts their...Some pastors do not want criticism. It hurts their image. They will sweep away all things that appear to make them less than the greatest. Tom is right. There are a lot of cry babies around. You can see them on tv every week. Jesus is coming soon since the end times are upon us. Pray for it as it cannot be helped or stopped without His return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69799720805981501152011-03-02T20:45:57.770-05:002011-03-02T20:45:57.770-05:00Oh yeah, hypocrisy, isn’t that where you say one t...Oh yeah, hypocrisy, isn’t that where you say one thing and then do another. Kind of like, I don’t know, declaring whosoever will may come Sunday after Sunday from the pulpit but then serving a long standing member trespass orders barring them from coming on the church campus. So who is the hypocrite?WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24266934940482474142011-03-02T20:18:22.029-05:002011-03-02T20:18:22.029-05:00Hey, Dog, I don’t recall me ever calling anyone na...Hey, Dog, I don’t recall me ever calling anyone names do you? <br /><br />I have not worn a tie much less a Polyester suit to church in thirty years or more. I don’t hate Mac he is like the rest of us, Ok, as far as he goes. If you could buy for what he’s worth and sell him…never mind, you get the picture.<br /><br />Frankly, I don’t have a dog in that hunt.<br /><br />Don’t use the KJV but it is perfectly fine if others do. My preference is for the NIV and the New American Standard.<br /><br />Been singing praise songs since long before you were born.<br /><br />What’s funny is you think this is all new and fresh, sorry, it’s been around a lot longer than even me.<br /><br />Pretty much enjoy all “good” music including hymns. Odd that you hate songs sung in four part harmony but then again it seems anything other than unison offends you. <br /><br />Funny thing hymns, they accompanied the KJV as our predecessors carried the gospel into the uttermost parts of the world. They provide comfort and assurance to many more hurting people than any of the praise dongs ever will. Everyone knows them so everyone sings, unlike the praise choruses that no one knows and hardly anyone sings.<br /><br />I have to admit many of the modern songs are good but they are beginning to wear thin. They follow the same format, start soft in a minor key and then resolve to a major key and end with a big loud finish. People in the industry refer to this as the banana plan because they can turn them out in bunches.<br /><br />I for one never asked for any of this. I just wanted to praise God and share the gospel. I never dreamed that splitting a church was a strategy for growing. I never thought total fidelity to a man calling himself “pastor” was a requirement for being considered saved. I always thought the church was the members’ and the pastor served the members I just do not believe the church is the preacher’s and the members are there to serve the preacher.<br /><br />As far as acting in a way that honors God, it’s hard to tell I do know I have a five hundred year old legacy of reformers questioning and challenging those people who are in charge. Looking back over history isn’t it interesting how many of the men who called themselves “God’s chosen messengers” or “God’s anointed” have gotten it wrong. So, yeah, I’m at peace with it.<br /><br />As far as cleaning up His church, God already did that almost 2,000 years ago when He hung naked on a cross and bore the punishment for your and my sins that we may have eternal life and be eternally “clean.” He did it all I certainly did nothing for it.<br /><br />Still I hope to meet you all in heaven where we can at last settle our differences.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42007492800964390482011-03-02T19:10:49.725-05:002011-03-02T19:10:49.725-05:00Hate is contagious!
Pointing fingers, calling nam...Hate is contagious!<br /><br />Pointing fingers, calling names, making accusations....FOLKS.....<br /><br />ISN'T ALL OF THIS A LITTLE IMMATURE?<br /><br />Aren't we supposed to love?<br /><br />Aren't we supposed to be nice?<br /><br />Why do YOU blame Mac for all YOUR problems?<br /><br />Did YOU have a bad childhood??<br /><br />All YOU Mac hating, KJV lovin, Polyester suit wearing, Hymn singing, Sunday School gossiping, Sermon sampling HYPOCRITES need to soften up and really pray if YOU are acting in a way that honors God!!!<br /><br />God is going to clean up HIS Church...maybe it is YOU that needs to hit the Showers!Slow to speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112253493029220293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82427131004879251382011-03-02T18:47:30.630-05:002011-03-02T18:47:30.630-05:00Lynn,
No, no, no, don’t you know Dog doesn’t have ...Lynn,<br />No, no, no, don’t you know Dog doesn’t have those things because he didn’t tithe.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42670775709192765532011-03-02T18:25:43.731-05:002011-03-02T18:25:43.731-05:00Whoever thought that there were critical members w...Whoever thought that there were critical members within a Baptist church? They are filled with those that do not agree with the leadership on almost every given area. They just do not want to become public since they could lose their sphere of influence if they have any. People are people in and out of churches. Just drop by the coke machine or around the halls and you hear it continually. Thats why a lot of members move from one church to another or just quit altogether. They get tired of the hypocrisy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44678056861194990192011-03-02T18:21:35.193-05:002011-03-02T18:21:35.193-05:00Isn't it strange that the apostle Paul said to...Isn't it strange that the apostle Paul said to the Corinthians that he had robbed them by taking wages from them and giving it to other churches. II Cor 11:8. I suggest that most megas ignore this passage of scripture. Because it is robbery by taking wages since in the NT wages is only mentioned the one time by Paul and you can bet he knew what wages really meant wages!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22099840767396391482011-03-02T17:14:57.355-05:002011-03-02T17:14:57.355-05:00My gripe is that Bible scholars as a whole are awa...My gripe is that Bible scholars as a whole are aware that there are lots of uncertain, unsettled truths. But the pew sitters aren't aware of this generally and don't want to be. I've yet to have a Christian ask me what books I've read and can they borrow them. They have no interest in hearing other opinions.<br /><br />I know, I know. I make sweeping statements, but my point is that I think most people go to church because they believe truth is found there, and also because they want to be comforted.<br /><br />By the way, I'm now curious as to your looks, WD. I thought you had four legs, long hair, a sweet face, and wore a red cape. Is that not really you?! Congrats on the swimming pool and whatever salary you bring in. And thank you for not saying that all our money for God must go thru you or bad things will happen.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10620781067677055351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82190695165631442402011-03-02T16:29:17.977-05:002011-03-02T16:29:17.977-05:00but the tone of so many of these posts and comment...but the tone of so many of these posts and comments makes me think that you WANT these pastors to fail. It's as if you enjoy your perceived job of condemning.<br /><br />March 2, 2011 6:32 AM<br /><br />Notice how it is always about "tone" instead of "content". That is all they have. If they can believe a "tone" they do not like is sin, they do not think they have to consider facts. <br /><br />Oldest trick in the book. Pastors and their lemmings have been using it for years to make sure they are never questioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51204277123159348822011-03-02T16:27:06.582-05:002011-03-02T16:27:06.582-05:00"Opinions contrary to Certain, Settled Biblic..."Opinions contrary to Certain, Settled Biblical Truths, with the attitude towards making them "uncertain" and "unsettled" is what is not welcomed."<br /><br />Such as tithing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2453489752881989712011-03-02T16:24:39.002-05:002011-03-02T16:24:39.002-05:00Maybe a new blog exposing the critical church memb...Maybe a new blog exposing the critical church members is in order.<br /><br />March 2, 2011 12:13 PM<br /><br />Good idea as it would only expose the pastors even more.<br /><br />Be a great compare and contrast piece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22423310530076481582011-03-02T16:23:47.380-05:002011-03-02T16:23:47.380-05:00"Readers of this blog are probably not intere..."Readers of this blog are probably not interested to know of my home value, or my address, or my pool, as they don't pay my salary, and I'm not accepting any of their donations, and I'm not claiming they need to give money to God by giving it to me."<br /><br />Jon has pew sitters paying his salary. Wonder if any of them know of his blogging prowess? They would probably be shocked to find he is nothing like he is when he performs for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9103684605607247112011-03-02T16:22:00.162-05:002011-03-02T16:22:00.162-05:00Jon Estes is a typical SBC pastor. Of course, he n...Jon Estes is a typical SBC pastor. Of course, he never said on an FBCJax school blog he would like the headmaster job at FBCJax school, did he? He was only inquiring for "friends". Sure Jon. Does your congregation know? <br /><br />Jon is another one you find out real quick has a tendancy to pull comments. He has done this on quite a few blogs. And then claims he never said the things he said.<br /><br />Can you say "deceptive"?<br /><br />He is the same one who rebuked bloggers on BBC Open forum about Gaines during the pedophile scandal: "Don't touch God's anointed".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com