tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post4405549273749396927..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Jerry Vines Autobiography: An Exercise in Narcissism or Self Defense? A Little of BothFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74608997789775154742014-06-11T16:37:39.485-04:002014-06-11T16:37:39.485-04:00"You have no idea what any of our ministries ..."You have no idea what any of our ministries are in regards to the Kingdom"<br /><br />DFTTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10432872788259781382014-06-11T08:07:30.440-04:002014-06-11T08:07:30.440-04:005:37
You have no idea what any of our ministries ...5:37<br /><br />You have no idea what any of our ministries are in regards to the Kingdom<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52204861088903322042014-06-10T17:37:57.882-04:002014-06-10T17:37:57.882-04:00"AMAZING THAT YOU ALL VILIFY PEOPLE WHO HAVE ..."AMAZING THAT YOU ALL VILIFY PEOPLE WHO HAVE WON MORE PEOPLE TO CHRIST THEN ANY OF YOU WILL IN 10 LIFE TIMES."<br /><br />The TROLL is back and his caps lock is still stuck on his keyboard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80749694583610181992014-06-10T17:36:04.015-04:002014-06-10T17:36:04.015-04:00"Who is Jerry Vines?"
I assume since yo..."Who is Jerry Vines?"<br /><br />I assume since you are leaving comments on a web site that you are familiar with Google.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72248585768049707472014-06-10T15:36:59.011-04:002014-06-10T15:36:59.011-04:00BBC: I agree it should be addressed by leadership....BBC: I agree it should be addressed by leadership. No disagreement. But it's like Caner repenting, it isn't going to happen now. There is still going to be leaders in the SBC. Right now it has to be a point of muteness. Otherwise you are not going to have any leadership because no one is speaking out against it. None, Zero, Zip. Many who are layman, many who are going to be in leadership, it's just not going to happen. For now I expect and accept it, although I am going to still speak out. It can't disqualify for leadership. <br /><br />When I am voting for a candidate, I know nothing will be said and based on that reality, I must choose based on other qualifications. Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48828133625633357492014-06-10T07:44:38.385-04:002014-06-10T07:44:38.385-04:00Wonder who thi anonymous is?Wonder who thi anonymous is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25603592481274094842014-06-10T04:23:23.858-04:002014-06-10T04:23:23.858-04:00Who has Al hired from Mahaneys clan?
ThanksWho has Al hired from Mahaneys clan?<br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14238809858556430502014-06-10T00:43:27.881-04:002014-06-10T00:43:27.881-04:00No leader of the SBC has addressed any sexual issu...<i>No leader of the SBC has addressed any sexual issue, or any issue for that matter that is plaguing the SBC and as you know there are many. That is a problem as I know they are aware of them. It is frustrating but doesn't mean they are not qualified for leadership.</i><br /><br />If this doesn't disqualify someone from a leadership role, I don't know what does. This is a glaring <i>lack</i> of leadership.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48351320436303522842014-06-09T21:46:40.501-04:002014-06-09T21:46:40.501-04:00"Vines' book is completely silent on his ..."Vines' book is completely silent on his role in the Ergun Caner affair, arguably the biggest scandal in the SBC in the past 10 years. "<br /><br />Really? Even bigger than Al Mohler's promoting and defending CJ Mahaney of SGM? the guy fled Maryland "to be near SBTS" for crying out loud. There is a big class action suit for conspiracy to cover up child molestations. Nate Morales? <br /><br />CJ's staff and family are hired at SBTS over SBC people. I mean, which part of that do you not get.<br /><br />I cannot believe you think Caner worse than the SBC's involvement with SGM which has a ton of child molestation victims over a course of 30 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69458379509544796372014-06-07T13:23:16.965-04:002014-06-07T13:23:16.965-04:00I think that Tom can also make claim the way Vines...I think that Tom can also make claim the way Vines did. As a former deacon during the Lindsay and Vines years I can tell you that Vines is like Al Gore---phony as a 3 dollar bill and as plastic as a credit card in your wallet or purse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49169430126665672522014-06-07T08:53:29.175-04:002014-06-07T08:53:29.175-04:00BBC: No leader of the SBC has addressed any sexual...BBC: No leader of the SBC has addressed any sexual issue, or any issue for that matter that is plaguing the SBC and as you know there are many. That is a problem as I know they are aware of them. It is frustrating but doesn't mean they are not qualified for leadership.<br /><br />We needed to include black people in leadership roles. Fred Luter is not a token black, but fully qualified for the role of President and he has done his job well, although it does bother me that no mention was made of Mahaney or other sex scandals. <br /><br /><br />But...nothing was mentioned from past white Presidents either. Not one time. I don't know why that is, but it seems to be the pattern among all leadership to their detriment and the SBC's. He ran unopposed, so what? That means nothing. It was 2012 and it was time we had blacks in leadership.You admit that you do not know Luter's record yet it was something I followed. I would suggest looking it up, it is quite impressive. <br /><br />I have nothing else to write about, which is why my blog was so easy to attack. I wanted to leave it up for the evidence on Caner, and other things I wrote about, but I wasn't always there to check it. It kept getting attacked and I felt deleting it was the right thing to do as there was well documented evidence elsewhere. <br /><br />Thank you for the support BBC, this is the only thing I think I have disagreed with you on. And that's ok. One thing in all these years is not going to diminish the respect I have had for you and your writings as well.Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7321129488489960832014-06-06T11:16:02.057-04:002014-06-06T11:16:02.057-04:00Your article cites an 17 year old from fbcj with u...Your article cites an 17 year old from fbcj with unwanted advances. Ms. Brown says 18. Just wondering whip is correct or was there 2 separate incidents at fbcj?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6094162027917270022014-06-06T09:51:16.716-04:002014-06-06T09:51:16.716-04:00Not sure I understand your question. Stay tuned, m...Not sure I understand your question. Stay tuned, more to come soon. FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20914128032175256122014-06-06T09:47:55.629-04:002014-06-06T09:47:55.629-04:00WD - is the only one asserting 17. I have found ...WD - is the only one asserting 17. I have found only one citation of an 18 year old - undesired advances claim. Please substantiate your claim. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11585293536670465322014-06-06T08:45:34.651-04:002014-06-06T08:45:34.651-04:00Question: if sexual advances were made to a minor...Question: if sexual advances were made to a minor at FBCJ by Gilyard and the church leadership (Vines) knew about it, then legally it should gave been reported to DCF! Trinity chose to not do this and it cost them years later in law suits. Did the church report such behavior to the authorities?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21142056083211358952014-06-06T00:37:06.200-04:002014-06-06T00:37:06.200-04:00And do not compare him to Darrel Gilyard and his q...<i>And do not compare him to Darrel Gilyard and his qualifications for anything.</i><br /><br />I beg your pardon? Thinking perhaps I'd misworded something, I just went back and read my comment. Other than one typo ("and" instead of "after"), I said nothing that could remotely be interpreted as a comparison of those two men! Why in the <i>world</i> would you think I was comparing Gilyard to Luter in any way? You know, Debbie, I agree with almost everything I've seen you write. I really do! But ridiculous statements like that one are precisely why you and I could never <i>communicate</i>. <br /><br />I don't know if Luter has "served two terms well" or not. I don't know of anything he's <i>done</i> (which I could say of most SBC presidents... it's really a figurehead position) and I certainly can't say he's done anything bad, but I know one thing he has NOT done, and that's to publicly speak out against the likes of Darrell Gilyard and to address the problem of clergy sex abuse in the SBC.<br /><br />I wrote about <a href="http://newbbcopenforum.blogspot.com/2013/06/you-may-be-seen-as-fringe.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> in response to the question, "What good will it do if the SBC president did issue a statement on abuse?" I suggested an idea for a statement Luter could make which might have done a lot of good. (It begins right below his photo.)<br /><br />The fact is, TPTB in the SBC wanted to elect a black man as president of the SBC to make a statement. Why did they ask no one else to run against him? If he was the best candidate (and he may very well have been... where did I say he was not?), why not at least give him the consideration of "winning" an election on his own merit? If anyone is "racist" in this situation, it's whoever decided someone should be elected based upon the color of his skin and then made certain he had no opposition. To me this is an insult to Fred Luter, and I would think it would have been to him, too. I know that's not politically correct to acknowledge the elephant in the room, but I really don't care. I try to choose my words carefully. I said what I meant and meant what I said. The last time I watched Luter preach I was literally embarrassed because of his preaching style and lack of substance. It wasn't a sermon; it was a performance. As I said, I do not know if Luter was/is qualified or not and did not pass any judgment on his qualifications to serve as president of the SBC. My critique was of his preaching only. Therefore, I'm not sure how you could disagree with me concerning his qualifications to be SBC prez since I didn't state an opinion.<br /><br />I just know of one glaring issue he's never publicly addressed. Well, <i>two</i> issues actually. You used to blog a lot about the second one. I was in the process of catching up on your blog when you deleted it. In all sincerity, it sure would be helpful if you put it back up, maybe on Blogger or another platform that isn't so vulnerable to attacks.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71990728539123510382014-06-06T00:02:51.694-04:002014-06-06T00:02:51.694-04:00Anon 8:51...
So your CAPITALIZED point is?....
As ...Anon 8:51...<br />So your CAPITALIZED point is?....<br />As long as I win people to Christ in public I can do or fail to do whatever I want in private? Please continue...And drop the caps!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12376167525863899972014-06-05T20:59:51.144-04:002014-06-05T20:59:51.144-04:00lyard for his Texas troubles. Also, a woman who sa...lyard for his Texas troubles. Also, a woman who says she resisted Gilyard’s unwanted advances when she was 18 says that she told her pastor, Jerry Vines, about it at the time. Nevertheless, she reports that Vines later spoke at Gilyard’s church, thereby giving continuing credibility to Gilyard. <br /><br />Were their 2 involved or did somone get the age wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24246161114143211782014-06-05T20:51:29.867-04:002014-06-05T20:51:29.867-04:00AMAZING THAT YOU ALL VILIFY PEOPLE WHO HAVE WON MO...AMAZING THAT YOU ALL VILIFY PEOPLE WHO HAVE WON MORE PEOPLE TO CHRIST THEN ANY OF YOU WILL IN 10 LIFE TIMES.<br />For instance Jerry Vines vs the embittered little "watchdog". The "watchdog" Oooo I'm scared. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24570759314580159052014-06-05T20:19:58.747-04:002014-06-05T20:19:58.747-04:00Yes, I did attempt to speak to Jerry. He did not c...Yes, I did attempt to speak to Jerry. He did not call me back. Left my email and my phone. FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37672222109801911562014-06-05T20:13:44.793-04:002014-06-05T20:13:44.793-04:00I hope you gave your former pastor a courtesy call...I hope you gave your former pastor a courtesy call and an opportunity to respond to your question. It is the right thing to do. No man is perfect, and I really don't know a more humble man. He has done a lot of good and I truly hope that you are not trying put someone else's wrong doing on him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33881977740826936892014-06-05T19:28:39.641-04:002014-06-05T19:28:39.641-04:00Dear Anon @ 10:32 P.M. "It is nearly impossib...Dear Anon @ 10:32 P.M. "It is nearly impossible for any preacher to do a complete background check on every potential guest speaker" Wow, well what else did a JSO detective previously do but investigate and release a bloggers name to the church, surely they could assist with a background check on a guest speaker! And Anon @ 11:25 A.M. today, that is by far the best comment yet, great idea, one could also print out the link to this blog and place it neatly in offering plates when they are being passed around. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47690168058435011322014-06-05T18:28:26.188-04:002014-06-05T18:28:26.188-04:00My followers. LOL!!! Nice attempt Anon! Is that ...My followers. LOL!!! Nice attempt Anon! Is that Tim, Peter, or Jon?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49232446307492237442014-06-05T17:55:31.744-04:002014-06-05T17:55:31.744-04:00Scroll halfway down the left side of his Facebook ...Scroll halfway down the left side of his Facebook page and you will see him in a group picture with Emir Caner.<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/DrJerryVinesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41178636363861399452014-06-05T17:09:06.104-04:002014-06-05T17:09:06.104-04:00The comment stream from this post reveals a great ...The comment stream from this post reveals a great deal about Tom Rich and his followers. Allowing racist, bigoted remarks like this speaks volumes. Any credibility you may have had has been lost. Calling Dr. Vines a liar and allowing a very well respected minister's reputation, regardless of his race, to be besmirched is inexcuseable- regardless of what you are writing about. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com