tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5011524421031572641..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Are YOU Taking Your Religion TOO Seriously - Part 2 (The Immediate Family)FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4146356272237703242015-08-18T19:04:40.723-04:002015-08-18T19:04:40.723-04:00My mother took her religion too seriously. She ma...My mother took her religion too seriously. She made horrible life choices that affected the whole family. Strained her marriage and relationships with her children...for what? She allowed her children to be abused because the bible told her to honor thy parents...who were the abusers. She ended up alone and very bitter. She had a near death experience that helped her some. Wasted years! All for nothing. Serena763https://www.blogger.com/profile/11282928412379923329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89414906440576273162015-08-17T15:10:03.184-04:002015-08-17T15:10:03.184-04:00I'm new to reading this blog and like the dire...I'm new to reading this blog and like the direction it's going. I'm commenting because I used to put so much value in knowing all the issues in debating theology, etc. While I do see the benefit to some right beliefs, It's really not about what I know, it's Who I know. If I can't interact with others in love, I'm just a clanging symbol.<br />But I'm still surprised to see how a person's faith is measured or judged by how much information they know between their ears or if they agree with specific doctrines which are secondary issues. Knowing Jesus and having a relationship with Him trumps all the head knowledge you can repeat or think is important for your salvation or for showing the kingdom of God. Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79477876915232827762015-08-17T14:23:24.027-04:002015-08-17T14:23:24.027-04:00"So are you saying you don't believe John..."So are you saying you don't believe John 3:15? Or that we should be careful in putting faith in one verse? Wow. It looks like you are one that can't trust the clear meaning of all verses."<br /><br />The latter. Especially when you are looking at half a sentence pulled out of context that contradicts another verse and you haven't defined the words in the short phrase. <br /><br />For example, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses would both believe in John 3:15. Although they would pour different meanings into the words.<br /><br />"James 2:19? I guess john 3:16 should add "except those demons that believe" lol. You are making my points for me."<br /><br />Well, only if your point is that you have to take scripture in context (and that usually doesn't happen when you only look at half a sentence) and that if one scripture contradicts another then you have to dig deeper to find out what both verses mean (considering historical context, genre, and of course the illumination of the Holy Spirit). <br /><br />"By the way. I'm not trying to "build theology." That is the religious man of god's job. As I've already posted, I'm not interested in your theology or your religion. If you want to debate those topics, the professors at Duke, UNC, Harvard etc would love to engage you on theology and doctrine, not to mention the Mormons, JWs, Catholics, etc. but thanks for reading. Much more to come. :)"<br /><br />I'm unclear as to why you are being so condescending. I haven't called you any names or tried to embarrass you (I thought that was one of your complaints about mega-church pastors). I'm simply trying to have a discussion about proper interpretation of scripture.<br /><br />If this isn't the correct forum I apologize.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49493945074829610342015-08-17T09:29:56.528-04:002015-08-17T09:29:56.528-04:00By the way. I'm not trying to "build theo...By the way. I'm not trying to "build theology." That is the religious man of god's job. As I've already posted, I'm not interested in your theology or your religion. If you want to debate those topics, the professors at Duke, UNC, Harvard etc would love to engage you on theology and doctrine, not to mention the Mormons, JWs, Catholics, etc. but thanks for reading. Much more to come. :)FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77239837594078130182015-08-17T09:24:33.214-04:002015-08-17T09:24:33.214-04:00James 2:19? I guess john 3:16 should add "exc...James 2:19? I guess john 3:16 should add "except those demons that believe" lol. You are making my points for me.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14081219100142973472015-08-17T09:20:31.104-04:002015-08-17T09:20:31.104-04:00So are you saying you don't believe John 3:15?...So are you saying you don't believe John 3:15? Or that we should be careful in putting faith in one verse? Wow. It looks like you are one that can't trust the clear meaning of all verses.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51256944230287919872015-08-17T09:13:09.380-04:002015-08-17T09:13:09.380-04:00I believe in James 2:19 do you?
Let's be caref...I believe in James 2:19 do you?<br />Let's be careful about building theology on one verse (especially when it is half a sentence).<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12994516298749453212015-08-16T12:00:13.539-04:002015-08-16T12:00:13.539-04:00Anonymous August 15, 2015 at 10:32 PM,
I believe ...<br />Anonymous August 15, 2015 at 10:32 PM,<br /><br />I believe the will of God is Galatians 3:28. How many ways have the church turned that on it's head?<br /><br />In closing, I leave you with this ~<br /><br />Palmations 3:16-18; And it was released to congregants, man-made doctrines, and the gullible were deceived. And though the gullible did believe, it caused many skeptics to facepalm. They did facepalm until their foreheads were red, for the ignorance of the gullible was much.<br /><br />Bereans rule, pastors drool. Nuf said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28468023027086540342015-08-16T10:57:35.743-04:002015-08-16T10:57:35.743-04:00Anon 10:32PM... There are two churches one real an...Anon 10:32PM... There are two churches one real and one false. God created everything for His purpose, unfortunately the false church doesn't believe in His word and attempt to overthrow Him, whereas the true church stands for the Word of God and not that of MAN. God's will has been, is, and will forever be perfect. In the book of Revelation God speaks of the 7 churches. God down through the last 2000 years as used His church to spread the Gospel. When the real church is caught up there will be a lot of people looking for someone to help them and even wishing the rocks to fall on them. Yes, God uses His church to fulfill His will!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8105182594100485092015-08-15T22:32:58.368-04:002015-08-15T22:32:58.368-04:00Since you asked me a question with your "last...Since you asked me a question with your "last word", I will answer. I don't believe God's will can be thwarted and it is always effectuated. Period. So even though I disagree with your premise that women have been unjustly "sidelined" by the church, the concept of the church "making an impact" is not a concept I lend any credence to. God will make whatever "impact" on mankind He wishes to make with or without the church, and He doesn't need the church to accomplish His will. So in sum I find your assertion to be based on an implicit assumption that humans can thwart God's will, and accordingly I find your assertion to be fundamentally flawed right out of the gate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76443266766368884972015-08-15T15:27:20.586-04:002015-08-15T15:27:20.586-04:00Anonymous August 15, 2015 at 12:16 PM,
I didn'...Anonymous August 15, 2015 at 12:16 PM,<br /><br />I didn't think you would take me up on my offer of debate. The sun is in your eyes or you have a bus to catch. Whatever.<br /><br />I will ask you, in the last word I'm enjoying ~ What great an impact do you suppose we as the Body of Christ would have had if misogynistic false doctrines wouldn't have sidelined over half of us down through time?<br /><br />And hi, Arce! :)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87484982520304813262015-08-15T13:36:04.907-04:002015-08-15T13:36:04.907-04:00Thank you, whoever posted the examples of the gros...Thank you, whoever posted the examples of the gross mis-translation of Paul's writings. In much of his writing, he was addressing particular problems in particular churches, rather than making general statements applicable to all Christians and to all churches. And if you read carefully, it is easy to tell where general statements are made, as in the "love chapter" in Corinthians. Paul was the original church consultant, addressing problems in the churches to which he wrote, and pointing to a better way, the way of love, as taught by Christ.<br /><br />We need to tread carefully in applying what has been derived from and polluted by the KJV, which was a politically driven translation by committee of loyalists to King James, who had to deal with threats from women of royalty who had their own followings and would have like to replace him given the chance. That is is not more misogynistic is amazing. And the base writings were in a time when, in many of the cultures of the day, women were chattel, with fewer rights than slaves.<br /><br />And I am a man, a Christian for some 60 years, with an extensive theological library in my home office, raised in an SBC home and church, with immediate family members retired from SBC missionary service. But I believe that God encourages me to study for myself and not accept what someone else has to say until I can explore fully whether it is believable and it is what Jesus would have me to believe. Arcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08734871357005903281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-985285202498601342015-08-15T12:24:52.517-04:002015-08-15T12:24:52.517-04:00I will go ahead and respond to your statement abou...I will go ahead and respond to your statement about "life and death in the power of the tongue." Yes, the Word of Faith movement does grossly misconstrue this passage. But it has nothing to do with their not understanding the original Greek. The original Greek conveys the same message that the English translation does. No, their misconstruction is a pure and simple misunderstanding (diplomatically) or twisting (less diplomatically) the passage, whether in English or Greek. They totally take the passage out of its surrounding Scriptural text. Some verses are susceptible to that kind of twisting because on their face, in ISOLATION, it may not be completely clear what they are saying.<br /><br />But then there are others which are rather unequivocal on their face. Like when Paul says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Or when he says that homosexuality is unnatural. Pretty hard to HONESTLY construe those any other way than what they literally say, and the English translators have made no error in translating these passages from the Greek.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75125103909380521152015-08-15T12:16:15.571-04:002015-08-15T12:16:15.571-04:00I can tell by your hysterical rant above that any ...I can tell by your hysterical rant above that any debate would be a waste of my time and an exercise in frustration. You went all over the place there, sis. But said nothing that was logic-based. And that closing statement lacked civility. I do read the Bible, but I do rely on scholarly interpretations as to the import of the original Greek (chief among which are the translators themselves), and any relevant historical context that is not immediately recognizable from the Scripture itself. Your assertion about Paul's statement being targeted strictly to the temple of Artemis cult is not based in scholarly research or opinion. <br /><br />Bye, have fun with the last word. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66380918403901739032015-08-15T10:03:11.193-04:002015-08-15T10:03:11.193-04:00Anonymous
August 15, 2015 at 4:07 AM
I believe it... Anonymous<br />August 15, 2015 at 4:07 AM<br /><br />I believe it is you who are grossly misinformed. Instead of 'recognized scholarly interpretations', get off your butt and read it for yourself. Every version is on Bible Gateway in every language and free to use. Do some heavy lifting of your own.<br /><br />Paul was making notes and answering questions, and what used to be in the margins of the Bible as nothing more than that, was placed right into the body of Scripture as we see today.<br /><br />Are women saved by giving birth or by Christ? Were there women with both Christ and the Apostles and did they preach and teach? Yes.<br />Paul would not teach anything contrary to Christ, and by adding in those notes, it makes it seem he had.<br /><br />Most pew sitters are Bible illiterate. <br /><br />Here's another example of Evangelical misinterpretation for you, and a huge following called Word of Faith was born from it ~<br />"Life and death is in the power of the tongue. "They believe it means you get what you confess. What it really means is don't gossip.<br /><br />I would be happy to debate theology with you, but given your condescending tone, I hope for your sake you'll be wearing a cup. I give as good as I get.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16575285782429514932015-08-15T04:07:57.452-04:002015-08-15T04:07:57.452-04:00You are grossly misinformed. You're entitled t...You are grossly misinformed. You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Go research these two examples using recognized scholarly interpretations of the Greek, not something you've read somewhere on the Internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58255927138276256512015-08-14T20:18:47.334-04:002015-08-14T20:18:47.334-04:00Anonymous
August 14, 2015 at 1:52 PM
I'm not...Anonymous <br />August 14, 2015 at 1:52 PM<br /><br />I'm not Arce, but I can help with your question as to how Evangelicals are misinterpreting Scripture.<br />They're not only misinterpreting it, but making entire doctrines out of their misinterpretations.<br /><br />The Headship doctrine for instance. 'Head' in the original Koine Greek means 'source'. Man is the source of the woman and God is the source of man. "And he will rule over you" is the result of the fall, not a divine mandate.<br />Adam and Eve we co-rulers in the Garden of Eden before this.<br /><br />Then we have "I do not allow women to speak in church" In the original language, it is "That woman", and that woman was a disciple of Diana, there to preach heresy to the new believers.<br />The Diana cult believed they had to worship her, or women would die in childbirth. This follows Paul's next statement, "Women will be safe in childbirth." Not, 'saved', as is mistranslated in the English versions of the Bible.<br /><br />To properly understand Scripture, you have to know not only what is being said, but to whom, the circumstances at the time it was said, etc.<br /><br />So there's a couple of them for you.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13830323936543231042015-08-14T19:33:45.210-04:002015-08-14T19:33:45.210-04:00Anon, who cares what FBCJ believes? He said he be...Anon, who cares what FBCJ believes? He said he believes in Jesus. That's good enough for me and tells me he is a brother. <br /><br />What this type of questioning tells me is that some just don't trust God. They can't leave it to God and Watchdog, they want to know so they can classify Tom as this or that according to their.....RELIGION. Watxhdog/Tom, I totally get it. If you have a relationship with Jesus, that tells me all I need to know. Keep preaching it bro. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56893680512943743132015-08-14T18:15:46.315-04:002015-08-14T18:15:46.315-04:00I believe in John 3:15. Do you? That's all I&#...I believe in John 3:15. Do you? That's all I'm going to say about my faith for now. But stay tuned. :)FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68515517644687887322015-08-14T17:55:07.163-04:002015-08-14T17:55:07.163-04:00You didn't directly answer the question I pose...You didn't directly answer the question I posed. "Believe in Jesus" is vague and could mean only that you believe Jesus existed as a historical figure. I'll ask again: do you believe in the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus, and do you believe in his divinity? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15209984417985791192015-08-14T14:55:17.975-04:002015-08-14T14:55:17.975-04:00I believe in Jesus. Not talking donkeys. I believe in Jesus. Not talking donkeys. FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42977742447018752512015-08-14T13:52:59.661-04:002015-08-14T13:52:59.661-04:00Arce, So do you have an example you can share with...Arce, So do you have an example you can share with us of how "evangelicals" are misconstruing Paul's teachings because of a lack of understanding of the original Greek? My apologies for the following bit of condescension, but over the centuries there have been countless "evangelical" Greek scholars of unimpeachable qualification, training, and expertise, and their interpretation of the original Biblical language is the foundation for the "evangelical" understanding of the Bible. Indeed, their translations are the basis for our modern English versions of the Bible. Now, here you come along to apparently assert that they've gotten it all wrong. <br /><br />So please enlighten us and set us straight. How do we misconstrue the original texts? Someone with such a transformative and paradigm-shattering knowledge of Ancient Greek must not keep that knowledge to himself/herself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58437531779963424782015-08-14T13:45:51.429-04:002015-08-14T13:45:51.429-04:00I always found it curious that some individuals ha...I always found it curious that some individuals have no trouble believing that God created the universe and then balk at the idea that he could make a donkey talk or a man live inside a fish for 3 days. <br /><br />And everyone understands that the "red letters" in the Bible were not written by Jesus right? They were written by men just like the other books. So do we take those words literally or not? By what rule of logic or is it just people's feelings since no one was there?<br /><br />In other words what evidence is there that these stories are allegorical? <br />Discuss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73362724004955686192015-08-14T13:39:14.047-04:002015-08-14T13:39:14.047-04:00Dog:
I think it is important for your readers at ...Dog:<br /><br />I think it is important for your readers at this point to know exactly what your own beliefs are. I find your posts and tweets on this point to be somewhat ambiguous. I don't see any good reason for ambiguity rather than clarity on this point. In order to properly construe someone's words, it is vital to know his or her core beliefs. Could you provide a clear answer to the question of whether you believe in the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus? Do you believe in the divinity of Jesus? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25091855831810139192015-08-14T11:30:15.015-04:002015-08-14T11:30:15.015-04:00Arce, thanks for the clarification. I agree wholeh...Arce, thanks for the clarification. I agree wholeheartedly with your description as well.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.com